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Sep 5, 2010 9:21 AM
#1
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Reiga stole Yuki! It looks like we're finally starting the last battle. And we got plenty of Luka this episode! I can't believe this series is almost over, only 2 episodes left. Need more now. |
Sep 5, 2010 10:07 AM
#3
Kannei said: Crunchyroll. I have an anime membership.were did ya found it ??? |
Sep 5, 2010 10:12 AM
#4
Awesome episode. As I thought, they add original content now, since this is not in the manga. I liked the female Yuki x Luka scene, but nothing about their past was revealed. And right... How are they gonna wrap everything, after Reiga kidnapping Yuki? I guess everything will be VERY rushed. |
Sep 5, 2010 10:19 AM
#5
Sep 5, 2010 10:21 AM
#6
Kannei said: Then you don't have a crunchyroll anime membership. You can only watch up to ep 21 free. To see 22 this week on crunchyroll you have to have a paid anime membership.starrysky said: Kannei said: Crunchyroll. I have an anime membership.were did ya found it ??? thx alot but it isnnt working |
Sep 5, 2010 10:50 AM
#7
Once again, this anime proves to have one of the best OSTs i ever heard <3. ... ... :/ so I suppose we won't get to see Yuki regaining his memory ,huh? *sigh* ... ... angry Luka was nice <3 . |
Sep 5, 2010 11:11 AM
#8
Awesome ep, loved the fight scene of the zweilts with the generals, and Luka was awesome in this ep, loved his sad face remembering female Yuki and his angry desperate face when Reiga took Yuki! Also, Reiga was sexy as always;3 |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
Sep 5, 2010 11:46 AM
#9
Kannei said: were did ya found it ??? Check animeultima.tv or animetake.com And I agree with Vid, Yuki just ruins every fight scene. Everyone seems so useless I don't know... It will probably have an open ending, I don't believe they can wrap everything in two episodes .-. |
Sep 5, 2010 12:18 PM
#10
why the heck is he soo silly and gets out of the barrier i mean that screamed nearly after getting a honstage from their enemys SoraKuro said: Kannei said: were did ya found it ??? Check animeultima.tv or animetake.com And I agree with Vid, Yuki just ruins every fight scene. Everyone seems so useless I don't know... It will probably have an open ending, I don't believe they can wrap everything in two episodes .-. yuki always gets more useless per ep i really start too hate him every time i see him more ---honto nii + is luze showing up or not im soo looking forward too see him please show yourself soon luze san |
Sep 5, 2010 12:39 PM
#11
a who cares about Yuki...More Luka, Cadenza and Reiga rapefest pls! |
Sep 5, 2010 1:03 PM
#12
Kannei said: + is luze showing up or not im soo looking forward too see him please show yourself soon luze san Agreed. If Cadenza and Elegy deserve to be in the anime, so does Luze >_> But I doubt he will show up, which is a shame because he's such a hottie and much better than Luka. Yup, I don't like Luka, he's so "Oh I love you Yuki, forever and ever, but instead of confessing my feelings and at least try to make you love me too, I will just sit in my emo corner and cry while Toko tries to seduce me." .-. |
Sep 5, 2010 1:12 PM
#13
The best part of the episode: Yuki notices he's been totally useless ever since he joined the Giou-clan. That was slow, Yuki. Really. And: he tries to commit suicide by using his power when it's sure it'll kill him. Great, why didn't they just let him do it? One source of annoyance gone. What the rest of the characters were talking about and doing in general was totally weird, overly melodramatic and absurd - at least when they were not constantly shouting: YUKI!. Plus: somebody shoot Sodom please. His human form ist even more annoying than Yuki and this says a lot. Everyone is treating Yuki as if he has done so much for them and is the most precious thing in the world, while he only used his powers two or three times. All the other times, he was just being an annoyance, totally useless and had to be proteced and rescued. Why... just WHY are you treating him like a porcelain doll and worshipping him like some kind of godlike existence? Teach him how to fight, so that he can at least pocect himself, let alone others... >.> And Sodom... really? Luka said he is supposed to protect Yuki and all he does is wakling beside him and slightly grapping his sleeve. And the best part: he immedately removes his teeth when Yuki tells him: "I need to go." Sodom, you're as intelligent as a screw-wrench. Somebody, please shoot him. At least Sodom is not the only one who is this insanly stupid. Everyone turns around when Yuki appears. Meaing: they're in the middle of the fight and turn around to face the enemies (who tried to kill them a second ago) with their backs. If that's not stupid enough: the Duras don't even take their chance and kill them. Nope, they just stand there and do nothing. While we're talking about the fight: The fighting sequences were 80% made of fixed images slowly being moved from one part of the screen to another. Wow, that's so exiting. And the worst part of all: Luka tells two Zweilt to go and stop Yuki from killing himself by using his power. They're in the process of running over to him. Next szene: blue thunderbolts. Next Szene: Takashiro saying: "Is that Reiga?" (as if we needed him to ask this question, when we KNOW blue is Reigas color and we're going to see him in a second...) Next Szene: Yuki flowing in the air in front of Reiga... ok. WHAT just happend? And just how slow do these people run? They weren't standing that far away from Yuki. Why is Yuki suddenly unconcious again? Was it his power? Was it Reiga? And while we're at it: what did Reiga do anyway? He's suddenly just there letting Yuki flow around. Nice. This doesn't make sense. The connection between "fighting the Duras and stopping Yuki" and "Reiga kidnapping Yuki" is so badly done, it physically hurts. Two more episodes to go and we're finally finished and it just keeps getting worse and worse. *facepalm* |
Sep 5, 2010 1:42 PM
#14
kennikitty said: Everyone is treating Yuki as if he has done so much for them and is the most precious thing in the world, while he only used his powers two or three times. All the other times, he was just being an annoyance, totally useless and had to be proteced and rescued. Why... just WHY are you treating him like a porcelain doll and worshipping him like some kind of godlike existence? Teach him how to fight, so that he can at least pocect himself, let alone others... >.> Remind me again why Yuki/God's Light is so important that he can't fight along with everyone else...? Oh wait, they never told us. (Or did they, and I missed it?) I think I'd just like to know this before the finale, otherwise I'm not sure I can fully appreciate it. |
Sep 5, 2010 1:58 PM
#15
ilikeyouevenmore said: kennikitty said: Everyone is treating Yuki as if he has done so much for them and is the most precious thing in the world, while he only used his powers two or three times. All the other times, he was just being an annoyance, totally useless and had to be proteced and rescued. Why... just WHY are you treating him like a porcelain doll and worshipping him like some kind of godlike existence? Teach him how to fight, so that he can at least pocect himself, let alone others... >.> Remind me again why Yuki/God's Light is so important that he can't fight along with everyone else...? Oh wait, they never told us. (Or did they, and I missed it?) I think I'd just like to know this before the finale, otherwise I'm not sure I can fully appreciate it. It's cauz he's the healer and without a healer they can't fight.. they've said it about 3/4 times I guess? If you people hate this anime/yuki/the plot so much why bother to post everything you've disliked about the episode/the whole show/yuki... -_- I mean isn't this a place where "fans" post thing they like and dislike? Yeah ofcourse you have the right to say you don't like Yuki's character or the plot or whatever but do u have to tell it at évery episode topic? I mean it's getting kinda.. annoying to hear the same thing again or to read things like; "just let him die than is that useless character out of the show" all the time.. but that's just me, just don't get mad cauz this is my opinion |
Sep 5, 2010 3:02 PM
#16
Sep 5, 2010 3:06 PM
#17
SoraKuro said: Agreed. If Cadenza and Elegy deserve to be in the anime, so does Luze >_> But I doubt he will show up, which is a shame because he's such a hottie and much better than Luka. Yup, I don't like Luka, he's so "Oh I love you Yuki, forever and ever, but instead of confessing my feelings and at least try to make you love me too, I will just sit in my emo corner and cry while Toko tries to seduce me." .-. I don't think Luze will appear, if he did, he would appear on the previous episode. Now the anime is mostly original content. kennikitty said: Everyone is treating Yuki as if he has done so much for them and is the most precious thing in the world, while he only used his powers two or three times. All the other times, he was just being an annoyance, totally useless and had to be proteced and rescued. Why... just WHY are you treating him like a porcelain doll and worshipping him like some kind of godlike existence? Teach him how to fight, so that he can at least pocect himself, let alone others... >.> Not everyone can be a badass, there must be a weak one as well. Since Uraboku is a shoujo anime as well, usually the shoujo main characters are weak, yet important. Despite Yuki's weak personality, he holds great importance; If he wasn't around, who would heal the Zweilt Guardians? I believe there is something deeper within his power anyways. If you want something with a main tough character, go watch Claymore, ROFL. |
Sep 5, 2010 3:07 PM
#18
I expected more from this episode >_< It didn't turns out to be good as the two previous episodes. |
Sep 5, 2010 3:08 PM
#19
Reiga said he's retreating after Cadenza said it's a good chance to fight the enemies now because he used up all power. Before leaving, he wants Takashiro to stand up if he wants to end the war. Yuki still called him Kanata and he told him not to say that name. Yuki fell. They are discussing about Yuki and saying it's their own fault that Yuki fell. Then they talked about how they are going to fight their enemies together. Luka is still outside and one of them told him to come in. He finally came in. Yuki used up his power unintentionally with that light and there will be a problem if he used it again. The doctor left Yuki to Luka and he checked on Takaashiro. There's someone who wants to fight, too, but couldn't, so he's frustrated. Yuki is dreaming of past Yuki with Luka, who made a promise that he would definitely find her soul. Then he woke up. Kanata in him is real, but now he's Reiga. He finally realized it. The butler told them Takashiro's still not feeling well, so he doesn't want everyone seeing the pain. Takashiro appreciates his butler. Reiga is thinking about time when he's Kanata. He is struggling with his Reiga self and Kanata self. Cadenza telling others that Reiga is not trustful. They are going to move on their own. They are relieved to see Yuki waking up, and everyone having happy moment. Earthquake and those general classes came. Every Zweilt went to fight. Yuki wanted to go but Luka went instead, leaving Zodom with him. Yuki still wants to help them and Sodom tried to stop him. Cadenza is aiming for Yuki, who is using the power without knowing his condition. Reiga came and got Yuki. Everyone is sad and depressed when Yuki got taken away. frustrated with dailymotion videos keeps frozen for every 5 mins whenever that ad banner comes out and I cannot do anything or watch it in my problematic firefox Next ep... lol @ Senshiro doing drawing of Kuroto's smile.(narration) They are going to get Yuki back? |
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Sep 5, 2010 3:15 PM
#20
Oh man, all the flames. Tries to help his friends and is hated for it :/ But Luka's expression after Yuki was kidnapped was heart-braking ;__; There really have to be more LukaxYuki scenes in the future. With the male Yuki please D: Though the female is great too <3 And I'm loving the OST :D |
ahinSep 5, 2010 3:20 PM
Sep 5, 2010 3:28 PM
#21
Uh oh, Reiga has Yuki now. Damn, Yuki! Why'd you have to go and be hardheaded? You were told to stay put. You didn't do it. Now, look what happened. And Sodom...you did a wonderful job of looking after Yuki...*smirk* |
Sep 5, 2010 3:43 PM
#22
I've totally lost my interest now, but I might as well stick to it since there are only 2 episodes left. I hope there won't be a second season though. :x |
Sep 5, 2010 3:45 PM
#23
Sep 5, 2010 4:31 PM
#24
Even if there was a Kanata san deep inside Reiga, I wouldn't give him a second chance because he burnd an entire village full of people. Luka my love, it hurts me how everytime you recall moments of you and Yuki together, Yuki mentions Kanata san. ;_; Switch to me instead... Yuki can go to hell for all I care... |
RebellaSep 5, 2010 4:49 PM
Sep 5, 2010 4:32 PM
#25
kennikitty said: What the rest of the characters were talking about and doing in general was totally weird, overly melodramatic and absurd - at least when they were not constantly shouting: YUKI!. Plus: somebody shoot Sodom please. His human form ist even more annoying than Yuki and this says a lot. At least Sodom is not the only one who is this insanly stupid. Everyone turns around when Yuki appears. Meaing: they're in the middle of the fight and turn around to face the enemies (who tried to kill them a second ago) with their backs. If that's not stupid enough: the Duras don't even take their chance and kill them. Nope, they just stand there and do nothing. And the worst part of all: Luka tells two Zweilt to go and stop Yuki from killing himself by using his power. They're in the process of running over to him. Next szene: blue thunderbolts. Next Szene: Takashiro saying: "Is that Reiga?" (as if we needed him to ask this question, when we KNOW blue is Reigas color and we're going to see him in a second...) Next Szene: Yuki flowing in the air in front of Reiga... ok. WHAT just happened? And just how slow do these people run? They weren't standing that far away from Yuki. Why is Yuki suddenly unconscious again? Was it his power? Was it Reiga? And while we're at it: what did Reiga do anyway? He's suddenly just there letting Yuki flow around. Nice. Jeez...now that you mention it, i rewatched it and you´re so right. When i first watched the ep, i was feeling so sad. but now i cant stop laughing Sodom...finally someone noticed that he´s nothing but a pet. He should stay at home running after kitties in the gardenXD Really...Kuroto and Senhiro... they ran so slow...and when did Yuki fainted? and what the hell, whats going on with the thunder trademark thing? when did Reiga became Sailor Jupiter? i dont know why but i sense EMO moments coming in the next ep...XD |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
Sep 5, 2010 4:50 PM
#26
Warning: Rant ahead. If you love this anime too much and don't enjoy reading angry texts about Yuki, don't read any further. Yuki must be the most annoying character I've ever seen. I enjoy shoujo mangas and animes and I've seen pretty bad main characters but Yuki just pisses me off so much because he makes all the other characters look useless and weak. For example: -> Tsukumo is all like "Everything is good because I can sense Yuki's presence so you don't need to worry about anything!" *Yuki gets himself inside a barrier* "Oops! Can't sense his presence anymore because the idiot got himself into a barrier! o/" -> And wtf does Toko do anyway? I only saw her fighting twice or something. The only thing she does is talk with Luka about Yuki, while secretly being jealous because Yuki got such a nice man and the only man that likes her is her brother. -> Shusei is such an emo, just because Yuki showed up and magically cured Hotsuma's childhood trauma (even though he had met him a few hours before), he was all like "He doesn't need me anymore because Yuki is the only one who can help him! I've been his friend since we were kids but he actually needs Yuki. I don't know why, but he needs Yuki. Yep, he needs Yuki, only Yuki can magically help him. ". And then he suddenly starting loving Yuki after Yuki and Hotsuma saved him from the bad demon girl. And now he and Hotsuma are finally BFF BFF BFF because of YUKI of course! And... Even if Yuki is the healer it doesn't mean he has to be so useless. I mean, all the Zweilts depend on him because he's the only one who can cure them, yet he risks his own life. If he dies to save one or two Zweilts, all the other Zweilts die and the Duras win. Can't he think about it a little more? I mean, you don't need to be so smart to get it. Even the healers in MMORPG games are more useful than Yuki. I'm a healer myself in most MMORPGs and I prefer to sacrifice 1 or 2 teammates than sacrifice myself and the whole team and save no one. And why does everyone like him? Sure, he can heal, but he doesn't even talk to them that much and they are all like "I love Yuki". Damn, he must have been a hella good friend in his past life or something. |
Sep 5, 2010 5:09 PM
#27
Animefanx3 said: umm... I think you might be overreacting, but whatever.ilikeyouevenmore said: kennikitty said: Everyone is treating Yuki as if he has done so much for them and is the most precious thing in the world, while he only used his powers two or three times. All the other times, he was just being an annoyance, totally useless and had to be proteced and rescued. Why... just WHY are you treating him like a porcelain doll and worshipping him like some kind of godlike existence? Teach him how to fight, so that he can at least pocect himself, let alone others... >.> Remind me again why Yuki/God's Light is so important that he can't fight along with everyone else...? Oh wait, they never told us. (Or did they, and I missed it?) I think I'd just like to know this before the finale, otherwise I'm not sure I can fully appreciate it. It's cauz he's the healer and without a healer they can't fight.. they've said it about 3/4 times I guess? If you people hate this anime/yuki/the plot so much why bother to post everything you've disliked about the episode/the whole show/yuki... -_- I mean isn't this a place where "fans" post thing they like and dislike? Yeah ofcourse you have the right to say you don't like Yuki's character or the plot or whatever but do u have to tell it at évery episode topic? I mean it's getting kinda.. annoying to hear the same thing again or to read things like; "just let him die than is that useless character out of the show" all the time.. but that's just me, just don't get mad cauz this is my opinion I can't speak for kennikitty or anyone else, but I've had the show at 8/10 and I don't hate Yuki.... I just don't understand why simply being a healer makes everyone nearly worship him. I think there must be something else significant about him that has not been explained. Otherwise, why would Reiga kidnap him? And if people are being injured in battle, wouldn't you want a healer there? This isn't hate mail. I just want some answers! yeesh. :P |
Sep 5, 2010 5:09 PM
#28
SoraKuro said: Warning: Rant ahead. If you love this anime too much and don't enjoy reading angry texts about Yuki, don't read any further. Yuki must be the most annoying character I've ever seen. I enjoy shoujo mangas and animes and I've seen pretty bad main characters but Yuki just pisses me off so much because he makes all the other characters look useless and weak. For example: -> Tsukumo is all like "Everything is good because I can sense Yuki's presence so you don't need to worry about anything!" *Yuki gets himself inside a barrier* "Oops! Can't sense his presence anymore because the idiot got himself into a barrier! o/" -> And wtf does Toko do anyway? I only saw her fighting twice or something. The only thing she does is talk with Luka about Yuki, while secretly being jealous because Yuki got such a nice man and the only man that likes her is her brother. -> Shusei is such an emo, just because Yuki showed up and magically cured Hotsuma's childhood trauma (even though he had met him a few hours before), he was all like "He doesn't need me anymore because Yuki is the only one who can help him! I've been his friend since we were kids but he actually needs Yuki. I don't know why, but he needs Yuki. Yep, he needs Yuki, only Yuki can magically help him. ". And then he suddenly starting loving Yuki after Yuki and Hotsuma saved him from the bad demon girl. And now he and Hotsuma are finally BFF BFF BFF because of YUKI of course! And... Even if Yuki is the healer it doesn't mean he has to be so useless. I mean, all the Zweilts depend on him because he's the only one who can cure them, yet he risks his own life. If he dies to save one or two Zweilts, all the other Zweilts die and the Duras win. Can't he think about it a little more? I mean, you don't need to be so smart to get it. Even the healers in MMORPG games are more useful than Yuki. I'm a healer myself in most MMORPGs and I prefer to sacrifice 1 or 2 teammates than sacrifice myself and the whole team and save no one. And why does everyone like him? Sure, he can heal, but he doesn't even talk to them that much and they are all like "I love Yuki". Damn, he must have been a hella good friend in his past life or something. Question; Why do you watch the anime since you dislike most of the characters and you seem disappointed with the story? I do not get some people when they keep complaining about an anime, yet they still watch it. You could have easily drop it. You keep saying, "Oh Yuki is a useless character, he sucks.", multiple times. Now, that's annoying. Obviously Yuki did something in the past that the Zweilts value a lot. Maybe he (as a girl) saved the guardians back there-- it would make sense why they love him so much. Maybe try to be a warrior or a mage next time on an MMORPG. P.S; I checked your top favorite anime & ironically you have added Uraboku on there. |
Sep 5, 2010 5:25 PM
#29
*lalalala, the song of peace* I dont hate Yuki either. yes, he pisses me off sometimes its true, and as a main character, he definitely could be much better, but hating him its too much. all characters in the show are likable, even the villains, i think. Lets give a chance to Yuki;D besides he makes a wonderful lovefriend of Reiga;D Now, what disappoints me is the answers they didnt gave us. Like: When and how did Yuki and Luka met in the past? Why was Yuki always alone? Did she die because she made the hollow wall to protect everyone? i hope they can tell us something until the end (which will be very rushed). anyway, Luka and Reiga were awesome again XD |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
Sep 5, 2010 5:47 PM
#30
Francie-Fugitive said: There is a legitimate reason why some people are flaming Yuki, and it's not just because he's weak or too nice. That's not really the problem here. The issue I (and I'm sure many others) have with him is that he is the perfect example of a Mary-Sue. He has so many of the symptoms it's not even funny. First off, Yuki is kind and forgiving to the point of being angelic. His one and only flaw is that he is naïve, which is just supposed to be endearing, I guess. He is a really unrealistic character, and that usually doesn't sit well with those that want to relate to the cast. I like Hotsuma & Shuusei. Why? Because they're human: they have faults, assume things, reject and are rejected. Secondly, he is loved by each and every one of the Uraboku cast (except for /most/ of the villains, of course). Anyone who doesn't fall for him upon first sight either is put in a negative light, or they learn to like him somehow. Y'know, everybody has someone that their personality doesn't agree with, so this is once again, unrealistic. Thirdly, he is, in a sense, selfish. I know it sounds ridiculous to call a saint this, but hear me out. Yuki's actions in this episode were to save his friends, yes-that is a noble cause. However, he is putting his life in danger when he knows that EVERYTHING they're doing is to protect him. God's Light is apparently really important, so he needs to care enough to stay alive. Throwing away his life will 1) put the Zweilts in peril, since they don't have a healer and 2) break all of their hearts. Sometimes sacrificing yourself really isn't the right thing to do. Fourth, and most importantly, we are expected to and practically forced to like him. This is a huge deal for me, because I am a stubborn person; I don't like it when people tell me what to do. So when everyone is dramatically crying Yuki's name, reminiscing about what a wonderful person he's been, and declaring their undying love for him, it's pretty difficult to be sympathetic. He's just too perfect. That's why people like to see him in pain, or facing problems. It makes him seem more real. ... Whoo, long-ass rant. Anyways, I will continue to follow this series to the end, enjoying the good things about it (lovely animation, character designs, shounen-ai themes & decent side characters) and just ignoring the bad things about it (unlikable MCs, predictable plot, non-existant character development & cliche villains). -edit- Whoops, looks like I took too long in posting this, and a few others have pointed some of the things I said out. Sorry 'bout that. -edit edit- Just for clarification, I don't hate Uraboku. I wouldn't still be watching it if I did. I'm a much bigger fan of the manga, though. -edit edit edit- (I have a lot of these) I forgot to say that this is really only in relation to male/current Yuki. I'm sure his female past probably had the same personality, but I, hypocritically, dislike her less. :X Mary Sue --- so true! Actually I agreed with almost your whole post... and I'll be enjoying this show til the end, too. :D |
Sep 5, 2010 5:51 PM
#31
Funny, people here make the same complaints about Yuki, like they make for Shion Uzuki from Xenosaga, if anyone is familiar. First of all, let's look at Yuki's past. He was abandoned as a child, grew up in an orphanage. He always had the thoughts, "I was not wanted, so that's why my mother abandoned me." and the he considered himself a burden at the orphanage. He also blamed his power, of being able to feel people's pain. If Kanata was not around, I guess he would be much weaker. Yuki grew up with Kanata, it is normal to act that way around him; Imagine if your best friend one day betrayed you and he/she sided with some person you hate. When Yuki saw that Kanata was the enemy, the person he trusted more and his family pretty much, his inner world shattered. Then at school, he didn't really had any friends. Some girls were talking at him and that was all. Only a classmate of him, Uzuki, approached him, but eventually he turned out to hate him and sending him threating letters. Yuki's life was really hard. I agree that his actions now might be selfish, but it's not his intention. He is confused. He wants to save everyone, pretty much. Alright, he might not be that much of realistic, (being worshipped by all the Zweilts and such), however, Luka is not realistic either. Men move on, yet he is still devoted and perhaps a little obsessed with Yuki. He says things such as, "My life belongs to Yuki." and whenever he see the female Yuki, he freezes. So, if Yuki carried a sword and kicked some ass like Luka does, would people complain less? |
Sep 5, 2010 5:52 PM
#32
Yuki_Giou said: Question; Why do you watch the anime since you dislike most of the characters and you seem disappointed with the story? I do not get some people when they keep complaining about an anime, yet they still watch it. You could have easily drop it. You keep saying, "Oh Yuki is a useless character, he sucks.", multiple times. Now, that's annoying. Obviously Yuki did something in the past that the Zweilts value a lot. Maybe he (as a girl) saved the guardians back there-- it would make sense why they love him so much. Maybe try to be a warrior or a mage next time on an MMORPG. P.S; I checked your top favorite anime & ironically you have added Uraboku on there. Answer: Because Ono Daisuke, Takahiro Sakurai and Jun Fukuyama are in it. And it was cool at the beggining, since there are only 2 episodes left, may as well finish it. And why must you assume I hate the plot? I like the plot and the characters, I just don't like Yuki and how he makes every other character look bad. Question: If you hate rants so much, why did you read it? ._. I clearly put a Warning there. Yeah, it must be something huge since they still love him even though he's a completly different person (even they said so at the beggining, "Yuki changed"). So if he had done something really bad in his past life, and then became a good person, they would still hate him? P.S.: Because it is one of my favorites, why else should I put there? I don't hate it, I just hate Yuki. |
SoraKuroSep 5, 2010 6:07 PM
Sep 5, 2010 6:00 PM
#33
SoraKuro said: Answer: Because Ono Daisuke, Takahiro Sakurai and Jun Fukuyama are in it. And it was cool at the beggining, since there are only 2 episodes left, may as well finish it. And why must you assume I hate the plot? I like the plot and the characters, I just don't like Yuki and how he makes every other character look bad. Question: If you hate rants so much, why did you read it? ._. I clearly put a Warning there. Yeah, it must be something huge since they still love him even though he's a completly different person (even they said so at the beggining, "Yuki changed"). So if he had done something really bad in his past life, and then became a good person, they would still hate him? P.S.: Because it is one of my favorites, why else should I put there? I don't hate it, I just hate Yuki. I never watch an anime because of the voice actors. -> Tsukumo is all like "Everything is good because I can sense Yuki's presence so you don't need to worry about anything!" ->And wtf does Toko do anyway? I only saw her fighting twice or something. The only thing she does is talk with Luka about Yuki, while secretly being jealous because Yuki got such a nice man and the only man that likes her is her brother. -> Shusei is such an emo I think you dislike more characters, besides Yuki. Well, you posted it on the thread, it is normal to rage some fans, even if there are warnings. But yes, that's now the mystery, what happened in the past & that's what most people on here want to know. I think it will make sense by the end why he is valued so much. P.S; I thought it was funny. |
Sep 5, 2010 6:04 PM
#34
Yuki_Giou said: however, Luka is not realistic either. Men move on, yet he is still devoted and perhaps a little obsessed with Yuki. He says things such as, "My life belongs to Yuki." and whenever he see the female Yuki, he freezes. So, if Yuki carried a sword and kicked some ass like Luka does, would people complain less? The title is a giveaway. Luka loved Yuki to the point of turning against his own kind just to be with her/him and he still does. The story's main focus is the relationship between him and Yuki so why would he be over it? He keeps saying he wouldn't betray Yuki just to reasure him because he knows how much Yuki worries about everything. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. |
Sep 5, 2010 6:08 PM
#35
Yuki_Giou said: I never watch an anime because of the voice actors. -> Tsukumo is all like "Everything is good because I can sense Yuki's presence so you don't need to worry about anything!" ->And wtf does Toko do anyway? I only saw her fighting twice or something. The only thing she does is talk with Luka about Yuki, while secretly being jealous because Yuki got such a nice man and the only man that likes her is her brother. -> Shusei is such an emo I think you dislike more characters, besides Yuki. Well, you posted it on the thread, it is normal to rage some fans, even if there are warnings. But yes, that's now the mystery, what happened in the past & that's what most people on here want to know. I think it will make sense by the end why he is valued so much. P.S; I thought it was funny. Like I said. The characters are interesting by themselves. But when they start thinking about Yuki, they turn into people who can't do a single thing. Yes, I hope it's explained... P.S.: You think? Wait until the end of KuroII and I go into ragequit mode while having it in my TOP favorites too :D -------------------- And I will add this here, since I edited my other post a bit too late xD: Edit: It's not the fact if he kicks ass or not. He clearly proved that he can be strong too and protect others. It's just that he acts without thinking of the consequences. Sure, he might be confused, maybe he wouldn't be so confused if Takashiro actually explained something to him. I mean, the only conversation they had went like this: Takashiro: LOL liek Reiga killed mah GF and some of my BFFs and now he wants to kill humanity for no reason, so Ima kick his ass, wanna join? Yuki: Sure! Although I don't even know why he wants to kill humanity and why he suddenly changed his personality. I mean, something must have happened and it must all be a misunderstanding, but I won't ask since I think it's not important to hear the other person's side. I also don't know exactly what's going on or what I have to do but I prefer to stay in ignorance. I also don't know what my relationship with Luka is but wtv (seriously, a healer has a demon following him around and he doesn't even question it? "We made a contract", oh yeah a contract, but why?). |
SoraKuroSep 5, 2010 6:14 PM
Sep 5, 2010 6:13 PM
#36
Rebella said: The title is a giveaway. Luka loved Yuki to the point of turning against his own kind just to be with her/him and he still does. The story's main focus is the relationship between him and Yuki so why would he be over it? He keeps saying he wouldn't betray Yuki just to reasure him because he knows how much Yuki worries about everything. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. Exactly, so what's wrong with Yuki being unrealistic? I actually love the fact that Luka is so devoted to Yuki, but let's not forget it is an anime. |
Sep 5, 2010 6:42 PM
#37
kennikitty said: This post made me laugh to the verge of peeing XDAnd the worst part of all: Luka tells two Zweilt to go and stop Yuki from killing himself by using his power. They're in the process of running over to him. Next szene: blue thunderbolts. Next Szene: Takashiro saying: "Is that Reiga?" (as if we needed him to ask this question, when we KNOW blue is Reigas color and we're going to see him in a second...) Next Szene: Yuki flowing in the air in front of Reiga... ok. WHAT just happend? And just how slow do these people run? They weren't standing that far away from Yuki. Why is Yuki suddenly unconcious again? Was it his power? Was it Reiga? And while we're at it: what did Reiga do anyway? He's suddenly just there letting Yuki flow around. Nice. This doesn't make sense. The connection between "fighting the Duras and stopping Yuki" and "Reiga kidnapping Yuki" is so badly done, it physically hurts. Read it twice as it was highly entertaining :D People are ranting about Yuki after episode is because he does something stupid in every episode . He basically is a barrier to bloodier fight scenes. If compared his female version seems better than the male version. The reason why the zweilts are obsessed about Yuki must be because he deliberately inflicts pain upon himself to play a role in the war whilst others fight physically and get wounded. Oh wait isn't it the same thing? Therefore there is no reason for him to be treated like a God. This might change if they show his past but for now he is like every other Zweilt, fighting to eliminate evil. Want to touch Luka's fangs...and him in angry mode *faints* Mary sue reference *thumbs up* |
Sep 5, 2010 6:46 PM
#38
Francie-Fugitive said: *wishes she'd seen Xenosaga so she could get the reference* I get you. I totally agree that his life wasn't peachy, and I'm pretty sure that I would be absolutely devestated too if my best friend randomly threw some dark clothes on and said, "I'm evil now. Later, loser." But I, and this is personal opinion only, have seen this past done so many times over that I've developed a hard heart toward it. It just doesn't move me emotionally, therefore removing the only thing that might cause me to sympathize with him. Intentional or not, he's still doing things that harm others and I hope he realizes this soon. I'll be really glad if he does-he'll certainly gain a few points in my book. And about Luka: I don't particularly like or dislike him. (Don't kill me, fans!) However, that's for totally different reasons. And those are: 1) I'm only attracted to women, so his magical bishie-powers do not work on me. xD And 2) His past/personality hasn't been delved into enough, so he feels kind of one-dimensonal. His devotion to Yuki is sweet and obviously very deep, but because I don't feel yet that it has a legitimate reason, I'm not convinced yet. Oh, and yes, if he carried a sword & kicked-ass, people probably would like Yuki more. I don't think it would change my opinion, though. Oh yes, about Xenosaga; Shion is the main character. When she was young, she saw in front of her eyes her parents getting killed by Gnosis (creatures that resemble alliens), then later on her fiance was killed in front of her eyes as well, by an android that she and him were constructing. She was the type of character that wanted to save everyone but in the last game, she becomes really selfish and she is getting into trouble. Her fiance whom reveals to be alive is on the bad side, yet she somewhat betrays her friends and gets at his side. She thinks she is a burden, that nobody cares about her, etc. A lot of people dislike her, giving her the same negative comments that people give at Yuki on here. That she was naive, selfish, etc. Anyways, Xenosaga is awesome, really sophistical. Yes, the anime is also a drama. Usually in dramas, they are trying to add some really emotionally weak characters and not all optimist & careless. So far we've seen most of the characters being affected by difficult situations; e.x, Hotsuma, his family hated him, Uzuki was also hated by his family if I remember correctly, Reiga was been called a monster because he was a half-Duras, half-human. Luka lacks a lot of character development and unfortunately I do not think he will be developed in two episodes. In the manga, he gets some development, we get to know why Luka is so devoted to Yuki and some of his background. That, or else some girls are just freaking obsessed with Luka and they are jealous of his devotion to Yuki. So they simply hate Yuki, ROFL. |
Sep 5, 2010 7:03 PM
#39
kennikitty said: The best part of the episode: Yuki notices he's been totally useless ever since he joined the Giou-clan. That was slow, Yuki. Really. And: he tries to commit suicide by using his power when it's sure it'll kill him. Great, why didn't they just let him do it? One source of annoyance gone. What the rest of the characters were talking about and doing in general was totally weird, overly melodramatic and absurd - at least when they were not constantly shouting: YUKI!. Plus: somebody shoot Sodom please. His human form ist even more annoying than Yuki and this says a lot. Everyone is treating Yuki as if he has done so much for them and is the most precious thing in the world, while he only used his powers two or three times. All the other times, he was just being an annoyance, totally useless and had to be proteced and rescued. Why... just WHY are you treating him like a porcelain doll and worshipping him like some kind of godlike existence? Teach him how to fight, so that he can at least pocect himself, let alone others... >.> And Sodom... really? Luka said he is supposed to protect Yuki and all he does is wakling beside him and slightly grapping his sleeve. And the best part: he immedately removes his teeth when Yuki tells him: "I need to go." Sodom, you're as intelligent as a screw-wrench. Somebody, please shoot him. At least Sodom is not the only one who is this insanly stupid. Everyone turns around when Yuki appears. Meaing: they're in the middle of the fight and turn around to face the enemies (who tried to kill them a second ago) with their backs. If that's not stupid enough: the Duras don't even take their chance and kill them. Nope, they just stand there and do nothing. While we're talking about the fight: The fighting sequences were 80% made of fixed images slowly being moved from one part of the screen to another. Wow, that's so exiting. And the worst part of all: Luka tells two Zweilt to go and stop Yuki from killing himself by using his power. They're in the process of running over to him. Next szene: blue thunderbolts. Next Szene: Takashiro saying: "Is that Reiga?" (as if we needed him to ask this question, when we KNOW blue is Reigas color and we're going to see him in a second...) Next Szene: Yuki flowing in the air in front of Reiga... ok. WHAT just happend? And just how slow do these people run? They weren't standing that far away from Yuki. Why is Yuki suddenly unconcious again? Was it his power? Was it Reiga? And while we're at it: what did Reiga do anyway? He's suddenly just there letting Yuki flow around. Nice. This doesn't make sense. The connection between "fighting the Duras and stopping Yuki" and "Reiga kidnapping Yuki" is so badly done, it physically hurts. Two more episodes to go and we're finally finished and it just keeps getting worse and worse. *facepalm* Im sorry ur post was just soo friggin hilarious, i just HAD to respond to it! THANK YOU, FOR NOTICING THE TOTAL CLICHNESS AND IDIOCY OF THIS SERIES! oh course why do we still watch it? ...well my reason is because of the hot characters...thats basically it. The story sucks, the characters and their reactions most of the time suck. Pure stupidness. You brought attention to nearly everything that was wrong. tho i still like Sodom. Yes he is annoying, but he's cute (and cool looking when he's a wolf--tho a complete idiot. I wonder if it came down to choosing between Luka and Yuki if he would choose his master like he damn should! But no the idiot would probably follow what the rest of the cast do and scream YUKI!!!!!!!!!! Like some idiot) all in all, an interesting episode, with the same cornyness from how long. btw am i the only one who is wondering why Reiga can spend so much time thinking about flipping YUKI as tho he was the only friend he's ever had? Um...remember how u used to be friends and FAMILY to Takashiro? Dear lord, its like his entire original past was swept away by his lovely days with Yuki. always friggin Yuki. Makes my head hurt. Im all for boys in any series but for once i just wish Yuki would turn back into a girl. The boy-ish looks are wasted on his ass. Plus he's more tolerable in female form. |
Sep 5, 2010 7:30 PM
#40
Francie-Fugitive said: Ah, thanks for the info. She and Yuki do seem like really similar characters, so I can imagine you've heard the same arguments plenty of times, then. Though Shion seems like a more extreme case, since she kind of betrays her friends, yikes! D8 Mmm, drama. Maybe my standards are just set to high in this area, because I /love/ really really good drama. It's so awesome. And hearing you say reading that made me realize that pretty much everyone in Uraboku has had crappy pasts. Wow. Wow, I need to catch up on the manga then. I'd love to find out more about their connection & Luka-maybe in that is my answer. Oho. ROFLCOPTER, that is so true. "Damn you and your hunk-attracting powers, Yuki! I haet choo nao! D<" Definitely, I just hope Yuki towards the end won't do anything like, "I want to be with you Kanata & I don't care about anything else." I like drama as well, I think Uraboku has set it well, the atmosphere and such, although the manga has some comedy elements. Well, we don't know about Touko&Tsukumo's past, I guess it was not much of important, probably a happy one. I can say it, anyways. Manga spoiler; In the manga, Luka tells Yuki that a Duras name must not learned by anyone except the contractor. When someone gets to know a Duras full name, it's like the Duras being enslaved. An ancestor of the Crosszeria clan sold the names of the clan members to humans, so apparently it was a sin. No further info is revealed if humans dominated Duras in the past, so who knows. Since then, whoever borns in the Crosszeria clan is been treated like a criminal and they are hated by the Duras, they even try to kill them. So Luka had the luck to be merely a slave, following his previous master, the Demon King. He had no meaning in life, no dreams at all. The Demon King seemed to have some lust towards Luka and he put his blood inside Luka, that's why in the anime they say that Luka was loved by the Demon King and the Demon King's blood is been flowing through his veins. Anyways, Luka meets somehow Yuki, (who knows how), and he betrays the Demon King by joining her side. Because he betrayed him, Luka had to die, but Yuki became his new Master and saved him. Also in the manga it seems only Yuki knows his full name, which it is not only 'Luka Crosszeria'. So it makes sense why Luka is so devoted. Anyways, that was long, rofl. Yeah, it's so ridiculous, really. Reminds me of some other fangirls-- For example, they hate Aerith from FFVII, cause she was dating Zack or because she had Cloud's attention. People should be more reasonable when they dislike someone. |
Sep 5, 2010 7:43 PM
#41
kennikitty said: The best part of the episode: Yuki notices he's been totally useless ever since he joined the Giou-clan. That was slow, Yuki. Really. And: he tries to commit suicide by using his power when it's sure it'll kill him. Great, why didn't they just let him do it? One source of annoyance gone. No, he didn't know that if he used his powers he would (supposedly) die, because nobody told him. But yeah. My prediction that Reiga would take Cadenza away came true (big surprise), and then we get the usual shitfest with Yuki fucking things up because he is stupid, annoying and useless. You cannot fight, Yuki. Stop trying and endangering everyone. I think the last eps will go something like this: - Search for Yuki - Lots of talking scenes between Reiga and Yuki - Eventually locate Yuki - Fight between General Classes & Zweilt, some will die (unfortunately I don't think it will be Toko) - Takashiro vs. Reiga (where Takashiro's Duras will make an appearance) - Yuki steps in and dies saving someone (Reiga/Takashiro/Luka?) & some "feel-good" bit at the end where they're all "Yuki would want us to live our lives happily!" OR Reiga dies saving Yuki OR Luka dies saving Yuki (I hope not this one, but if it happens we might get a glimpse of female!Yuki) You can tell idk about the last part, it's because this show could do any number of cliche things and could even drag out the search for Yuki for almost two eps and then we get some very quick resolution. (I'm clearly not expecting much.) I'm almost certain we'll be left in the dark about a number of things, some of which might include Yuki & Luka's past, the real reason Reiga is so angry/revelation that he was framed (my theory), why everyone loves Yuki so much, etc. etc. I don't care anymore, anyway, we'll just see if the show gets bad enough for a 3. |
yamakasiSep 5, 2010 8:02 PM
Sep 5, 2010 9:21 PM
#42
Yet another terrible episode of Yuki Does the Wrong Thing At the Wrong Time. Nothing to see here. |
Sep 5, 2010 11:11 PM
#43
Orulyon said: Awesome ep, loved the fight scene of the zweilts with the generals, and Luka was awesome in this ep, loved his sad face remembering female Yuki and his angry desperate face when Reiga took Yuki! Also, Reiga was sexy as always;3 Yes! Luke showed quite a few emotions here. The most expressive was the last one. He was really mad! The scene with Luka and female Yuki was very sweet. I wonder when I got to learn more about them. |
Sep 5, 2010 11:19 PM
#44
Rebella said: Even if there was a Kanata san deep inside Reiga, I wouldn't give him a second chance because he burnd an entire village full of people. Luka my love, it hurts me how everytime you recall moments of you and Yuki together, Yuki mentions Kanata san. ;_; Switch to me instead... Yuki can go to hell for all I care... Indeed ... Yuuki is so clueless. After a while didn't he realize that everytime he talked about Kanata-san he's hurting Luka? When will he realize Luka's feelings and devotion? |
Sep 5, 2010 11:23 PM
#45
Rebella said: Even if there was a Kanata san deep inside Reiga, I wouldn't give him a second chance because he burnd an entire village full of people. Luka my love, it hurts me how everytime you recall moments of you and Yuki together, Yuki mentions Kanata san. ;_; Switch to me instead... Yuki can go to hell for all I care... Indeed ... Yuuki is so clueless. After a while didn't he realize that everytime he talked about Kanata-san he's hurting Luka? When will he realize Luka's feelings and devotion? Yuki_Giou said: Rebella said: The title is a giveaway. Luka loved Yuki to the point of turning against his own kind just to be with her/him and he still does. The story's main focus is the relationship between him and Yuki so why would he be over it? He keeps saying he wouldn't betray Yuki just to reasure him because he knows how much Yuki worries about everything. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. Exactly, so what's wrong with Yuki being unrealistic? I actually love the fact that Luka is so devoted to Yuki, but let's not forget it is an anime. Me too. I love Luka's devotion to Yuki. "I will never betray you." He keeps his promise. |
Sep 6, 2010 2:00 AM
#46
yamakasi said: - Yuki steps in and dies saving someone (Reiga/Takashiro/Luka?) & some "feel-good" bit at the end where they're all "Yuki would want us to live our lives happily!" OR Reiga dies saving Yuki OR Luka dies saving Yuki (I hope not this one, but if it happens we might get a glimpse of female!Yuki) well, i kinda agree. someone will die in the end, if not, at least it will be badly injured. This show remembers me a lot of X tv. And if we get an end like that, it will be just like X. Anyway, im having a deja-vu here! It seems Yuki is being flamed just like Yuuki from Vampire knight XD I also love Luka´s devotion to Yuki. If Luka havent met Yuki, the anime would not have any romance, and that would be boring. Even if its cliché, who doesn't love a great love story?;D Also, im really sad that until now Takashiro didnt bother to ask Reiga what really happened in the past, since im not totally convinced that Reiga went insane suddenly and killed everyone on the village. There must be a reason, and a strong one. Francie-Fugitive said: Yuki_Giou said: Well, we don't know about Touko&Tsukumo's past, I guess it was not much of important, probably a happy one. Hah, I bet if Yuki rode off into the sunset on Reiga's white steed, the Uraboku fanbase would have a mental breakdown, then realize what exactly Yuki leaving Luka means. "Nuuu! OMG, Yuki, you bastard-how you leave your past and future lover-oh wait. This means...he's single. Hee hee hee. *evil smirk*" I would just be frustrated. The UST between them is so obvious anybody could see it-they kind of have to get together. Yay, another drama lover! I agree, Touko & bro seem the most innocent of the bunch, but we'll probably get proven wrong in future chapters. *dont flame me, fans!lalalalalallala, song of peace* well, he might do that if doesn't remember his past with Luka. Thats why it would be crucial for Yuki to remember, otherwise, Reiga has great chances to win Yuki´s heart. After all, since ep.1 that we see Yuki and Reiga suffering for each other. If at least Yuki remembered his past, i bet he wouldnt let go Luka. (WTH! why did female Yuki wanted to forget her life anyway?! i dont get it!she knew she would forget Luka too, so WTF. here´s another plot hole that we never got the chance to know the answer). well, maybe next ep, Yuki finally convinces Reiga to return to his Kanata side;D or probably not. i bet Takashiro will arrive. |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
Sep 6, 2010 2:32 AM
#47
Yuki I HATE YOU!!Just die already..And why the first 15 minutes had to be so boring and meaningless?I don't care if Yuki is okay.I don't care if you'll bake him a cake or buy him the entire bakery..For the love of God.3 episodes from the end and still about Yuki's well-being???Everyone's worried about him..Yuki fainted, Yuki coughed, Yuki has a scratch, Yuki this, Yuki that. I can't stand that anymore.There ARE other characters you know! I just don't get why this show went so downhill..It had everything to become great.Yet that shitty protagonist is ruining it.If you actually sit down and think, the last 10 episodes were nothing.All talking, a few action scenes and countless whining..Is the anime's fault or the manga had no ACTUAL plot??No one bothered to mention why Yuki is important, or why these people fight, or why Luka is traitor, or why Takashiro is dying, or where this whole thing is going!! Pardon my outburst of temper, but i need to share my thoughts.And if you ask me "why do you bother watching it??", i'll tell you really i don't know..Mostly because of the art and the music.There was a point when i considered it an amazing series and i was totally captivated..But, now everything feels wrong.Still,i want to believe that even in the final episode, things will get interesting.So I'll wait.. |
akromataofSep 6, 2010 2:40 AM
Sep 6, 2010 2:41 AM
#48
akromataof said: Is the anime's fault or the manga had no ACTUAL plot?? The manga is much better, no whining like in the anime XD Actually we get to see a lot of comedy moments in the manga, which they removed from the anime T.T Also, in the manga we get the chance to know about Luka´s past. |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
Sep 6, 2010 2:52 AM
#49
Francie-Fugitive said: Ah, dang it-my reply got killed. Oh well, gotta type it up again. Hah, I bet if Yuki rode off into the sunset on Reiga's white steed, the Uraboku fanbase would have a mental breakdown, then realize what exactly Yuki leaving Luka means. "Nuuu! OMG, Yuki, you bastard-how you leave your past and future lover-oh wait. This means...he's single. Hee hee hee. *evil smirk*" I would just be frustrated. The UST between them is so obvious anybody could see it-they kind of have to get together. Yay, another drama lover! I agree, Touko & bro seem the most innocent of the bunch, but we'll probably get proven wrong in future chapters. Oh no, spoilers of doom that I love! Oh my. Luka's been through hell then, hasn't he? Being a servant is something I have a hard time picturing him doing...he seems so independent. And his dashing good looks have landed him with the blood of a lusty Demon King in his veins. Jesus. At least Yuki was there to help him out. It was long, ha ha. No worries, though. Wat. I didn't know people hated on Aerith-she was cute. Alas, fangirls will be fangirls... Yes, it was really a mistake to not mention in the anime about Luka's life before. A lot of the episodes were really slow, that could have been added. I do not know why they removed it, it is an important detail to Luka's character development. That forces everyone to read the manga as well. Anyways, In the manga, Yuki has not recover his memories, yet we still don't know anything about how Luka met Yuki and what happened exactly. Ah, yes. Fangirls should have a limit. |
Sep 6, 2010 2:58 AM
#50
everyone here is a faggot. except yuki. yuki is not a faggot. |
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