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Jun 19, 2010 5:51 AM
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Personally, I find it a bit misleading that my bar for dropped anime (32 entries) to be twice as wide as my bar for completed anime (132 entries), and both being wider than the bar for total entries (which is 166). I am sure there is a rationale behind this, but personally, I'd prefer to see all these bars on the same scale. A possibility would be to have an option to switch between the current view and the suggested view.

I've made a quick sketch to illustrate what I mean:


Note that the bars are not exactly to scale, just a quick approximation. As to the length of the bottom-most bar (total entries), this could either be the full width of the frame, or relative to the maximum possible, or as current, relative to some unknown function.

(Finally, of course the topmost bar - time spent watching - must be in a different scale..)
Jun 19, 2010 5:52 AM
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I think this has something to do with the time (days).
Jun 19, 2010 5:54 AM
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AlexSadist-sama said:
I think this has something to do with the time (days).


I'm not sure I follow. In that case, the length of the "total entries" bar should surely be the sum of the lengths of the above bars? At least it should not be shorter?
Jun 19, 2010 3:11 PM
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I know what you're saying, but the reason the Dropped Bar is longer than Completed is because the average number of Completed Anime of MAL users is much higher than their average number of Dropped Anime. The Bar is comparing your number to others.

Many people feel that listing Dropped Anime is a waste of time and so they don't bother to list any at all. It's also harder for most people to recall what anime they dropped because they very likely didn't like the show to begin with.
Jun 19, 2010 6:29 PM
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Terence_T said:
I know what you're saying, but the reason the Dropped Bar is longer than Completed is because the average number of Completed Anime of MAL users is much higher than their average number of Dropped Anime. The Bar is comparing your number to others.

Many people feel that listing Dropped Anime is a waste of time and so they don't bother to list any at all. It's also harder for most people to recall what anime they dropped because they very likely didn't like the show to begin with.


I see what you're saying. On the other hand, personally I'm more interested in comparing my stats to myself: how many animes did I watch for every one I dropped? Etc. So it feels a tad surreal to have a bunch of bars who have no relation whatsoever to each other..
Aug 13, 2013 11:55 PM
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I'd like to dig this topic up, though my reason is slightly different to the OP.

The Plan to Watch bar scales waaaaay too fast. There are people with hundreds of series of their Plan to Watch, yet my list of 50 is represented by a bar 80% of the maximum length?

This shit annoys me to no end.
Aug 13, 2013 11:59 PM
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Maybe because while you've seen people with hundreds of entries in their plan to watch. There are way more that have barely any.

From what I understand, each bar goes off of the average on the site for that specific category. So I don't see it changing it anytime.
Aug 14, 2013 1:14 AM
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Hummingbird is looking better and better...
Aug 14, 2013 7:47 AM
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ermac81 said:
Hummingbird is looking better and better...
Ok. Then go, they don't have any bars there.
Aug 14, 2013 11:42 AM

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I agree on the idea to lower the Dropped Bar extension rate per series.
On short, you have my support. :)
Aug 14, 2013 11:46 AM

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SubPyroFlow said:
I agree on the idea to lower the Dropped Bar extension rate per series.
On short, you have my support. :)
Do you know why it's so high? It's that it's based on the average of every user on this site. There's no way to lower that without abandoning the idea of using the average.
Aug 16, 2013 8:28 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
abandoning the idea of using the average.
That sound's pretty good to me.
Aug 16, 2013 8:34 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
From what I understand, each bar goes off of the average on the site for that specific category.
I don't agree with changing them, but do you have somewhere that you got this from or are you just assuming?
Aug 16, 2013 8:38 PM

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Slyr3do0n said:
IntroverTurtle said:
From what I understand, each bar goes off of the average on the site for that specific category.
I don't agree with changing them, but do you have somewhere that you got this from or are you just assuming?
There's a thread about it somewhere or a mod told me, I can't remember. But it looks quite obvious. The bars go on different scales, they are using an average of something.

BurntJelly said:
IntroverTurtle said:
abandoning the idea of using the average.
That sound's pretty good to me.
What's the point in making the scales the same?
Aug 17, 2013 8:58 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
BurntJelly said:
IntroverTurtle said:
abandoning the idea of using the average.
That sound's pretty good to me.
What's the point in making the scales the same?

Because then instead of looking like this:


It could look more like this:


The "fixed" version more accurately shows the distribution on my list. In my case, I don't care that I drop more than most people. That bar should not be longer than my Completed list.

I wouldn't completely throw out the site average though. It would look bad to have 1 completed anime, but have the bar fill all the space. Or perhaps an exponential scale could be used... I don't have all the answers.
Aug 19, 2013 4:44 AM

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Mine just shows 0 everywhere.... >_>

Aug 19, 2013 5:46 AM

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IntroverTurtle said:
What's the point in making the scales the same?

It doesn't look so confusing and annoying when trying to see them all as a whole.
Jan 25, 2014 9:01 PM
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I suppose I'll piggy back on this topic.

As far as I can understand, the bars increase in length linearly based on the number of listed anime in that particular category up to some max. Some people have speculated that this max is based on MAL averages but there has been no hard evidence presented although I do find it a reasonable assumption. For all we know though, it could be arbitrary.

I would like to propose an alternative method to determine the length of the bars. Specifically, I would like to tie the filled proportion of the bar to the percentile rank of the particular anime category (watching, completed, etc).

As an example of how this would work, if I have completed more anime than 50% of MAL users, then my bar for completed anime would be half filled. If have dropped more anime than 90% of MAL users, then my bar would be 90% filled. The bar lengths would NOT scale linearly with the number of anime watched in each category. In this scenario, it would be effectively impossible to have a full bar for any category without artificially padding your stats. Mathematically, this approach increases the information content encoded in the bar lengths versus the current setup where it is comparatively easy to max out bars.

In terms of implementation, a histogram would need to be compiled for each category. 1% resolution would probably be sufficient. Assuming that the database already runs through each profile periodically to compute averages, this would not present a significant obstacle in terms of computation time.

Regardless of the system used, I believe users would appreciate a definitive, mathematical explanation of how these bars work similar to the published formula for top anime rankings.
Jan 29, 2014 3:18 PM

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Peiale said:
IntroverTurtle said:
What's the point in making the scales the same?

It doesn't look so confusing and annoying when trying to see them all as a whole.

+1
Jan 31, 2014 1:40 AM
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But it's your otaku cred wee-wee! And you know what's true of all wee-wees? There is no absolute size, only relative. You cannot have a big wee-wee, only a wee-wee that's smaller or larger than the other guy's.

(Serious mode: with the extreme numbers some people here have in each category, an absolute bar system would result in most user's bars shrinking down to little slivers, and progression would seem pointlessly slow.)

(Personally I kind of like seeing how a user compares to the average of the userbase with a single glance.)
May 8, 2015 5:56 AM

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shameless necro since it's profile suggestions talk time
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1381274

elbaldo said:
I'd like to dig this topic up, though my reason is slightly different to the OP.

The Plan to Watch bar scales waaaaay too fast. There are people with hundreds of series of their Plan to Watch, yet my list of 50 is represented by a bar 80% of the maximum length?

This shit annoys me to no end.

i always found that annoying too

apparently i've over average plant to read/watch, but it feels odd seeing i've (by width) more plan to read/watch than total entries, which is not true cause i've 2 or 4 times more total enties than planned

Fixes to make the Profile more bearable after "the Modern★Profile★Update★★Rip★Profile★"
May 8, 2015 8:41 AM
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The stats obviously aren't relative to the pure number which is fine. And the way it is now, it makes sense.

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