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Jun 3, 2010 3:58 AM

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Fai said:
Laevantein said:
It's just Naruto trying to be Naruto and Haters trying to be Haters, nothing out of ordinary, i'm still curious about his mother though

As i said in other forum, the borderline between Hate and Love is thin, who knows maybe deep inside the hater's heart they still loves Naruto XD

Man, you should write naruto too~

Problem with that is, it won't change the quality of the manga. Just maybe for worse drawing.

HermioneAyasaki said:
Finally Naruto meets his mom, nice.

Yah! Really nice!
Bee : "Meet your mum, mothafucka!"
Just epic! ^^

KazukiUchiha said:
that was an awesome chapter. i cant beleave his mom is there. it could be a trick but its still cool. the nine-tails got pawned by the rasen shuriken.

Yah, i can't believe it either! Guess what his grandma came over to visit too! And maybe his dad could show up again and maybe that Kazuma guy that died in a really dramatic way could at least say hi! Right?



As for the poll, i am utterly displeased. What about the readers that want to give negative rating? :(
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Peralisc said:
Fai said:
Laevantein said:
It's just Naruto trying to be Naruto and Haters trying to be Haters, nothing out of ordinary, i'm still curious about his mother though

As i said in other forum, the borderline between Hate and Love is thin, who knows maybe deep inside the hater's heart they still loves Naruto XD

Man, you should write naruto too~

Problem with that is, it won't change the quality of the manga. Just maybe for worse drawing.

Yeah, you should see my drawing back from my days in first grade, you must be amazed, and just so you know it's Fai who asked me to write Naruto, if you want to complain go to him..
Jun 3, 2010 5:49 AM

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stupid.
Jun 3, 2010 6:03 AM

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I LOL'd so hard i nearly fell from my chair xD no kidding

Still, I liked the chapter, it had a fight every fan of naruto has been waiting since the begining of the manga (the previous chapter was more like Kyubi vs Hachibi) and Kushina finally appeared (i've been waiting for her since Minato appeared) altough i wasn't expecting to see her in the same place than Minato (i actually wished that she was still alive T^T)
Overall it was actually a good chapter...
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Jun 3, 2010 6:09 AM

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Although Kushinas appearence just felt ridiciously random, I kinda like the basic idea(even if it's not creative). But seriously, I prefer a mangaka who sucks at creativty to a mangak/filmproducer/author/whatever who is creative and sucks while doing so.

On a completely unrelated note... Is just me or did the drawings just suck?

in the end, I think the chapter was average. Let's see what happens next week.
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Jun 3, 2010 6:12 AM

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And btw i don't know why you are all bitching about the artwork.

You should try to draw a gigantic fox: with 9 tails flying all over the place, over a water filled area; you should also try drawing explosions and jutsus with the water spilling all over the place, in fact every movement makes the water splash.

So, if you can draw all of that (and more that I didn't referenced) in 1 week, then you can bitch all you want.
You're just a bunch of ignorants that don't know how hard is the job of a mangaka.
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Jun 3, 2010 6:36 AM

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ToolToulTo said:
And btw i don't know why you are all bitching about the artwork.

You should try to draw a gigantic fox: with 9 tails flying all over the place, over a water filled area; you should also try drawing explosions and jutsus with the water spilling all over the place, in fact every movement makes the water splash.

So, if you can draw all of that (and more that I didn't referenced) in 1 week, then you can bitch all you want.
You're just a bunch of ignorants that don't know how hard is the job of a mangaka.

you're awesome man . Excellent post . . Hats off . .
Jun 3, 2010 6:38 AM

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Wow! Nice chap imo.

When the rosario on her chest is taken off, Moka's vampire inner self awakes.
Jun 3, 2010 6:41 AM

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So that means Kushina is dead?

I'm kinda interested as in why she appeared. o.o
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Fai said:
Laevantein said:
It's just Naruto trying to be Naruto and Haters trying to be Haters, nothing out of ordinary, i'm still curious about his mother though

As i said in other forum, the borderline between Hate and Love is thin, who knows maybe deep inside the hater's heart they still loves Naruto XD


Oh so everyone who does not worship this now ridiculous manga and anyone who has different opinion than you is a hater?

wow, that's ...deep,man...


REAL DEEP.

As deep as Kishimoto's "omg kushina looks like sakura" stuff...

Man, you should write naruto too~


Dude your doing a bad job at trolling come on you like defend Bleach like mad every time someone say something bad about it. We all wanted Bleach and Naruto to be awesome manga, like the best. But most of us, came to terms with it, that both of the Mangaka as lost interest in there creations.
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Jun 3, 2010 6:59 AM

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ToolToulTo said:
And btw i don't know why you are all bitching about the artwork.

You should try to draw a gigantic fox: with 9 tails flying all over the place, over a water filled area; you should also try drawing explosions and jutsus with the water spilling all over the place, in fact every movement makes the water splash.

So, if you can draw all of that (and more that I didn't referenced) in 1 week, then you can bitch all you want.
You're just a bunch of ignorants that don't know how hard is the job of a mangaka.


The problem is not details, but design.


You can still make kyuubi look badass evil and horrendous, without adding to many details to him.


What Kishimoto did was different - it was like he just mishmashed whatever he could into some fox guy with make-up.


Its not hard to draw simple ferociously looking fox, or to add a lot of harsh, straight lines in closeups.

The kyuubi Kishi drew for last ~4 chapters looks more like Willie E Coyote, drawn by 13 year old child.


You do not need details to make him look menacing, awesome, unfortunately it seems kishi no longer cares.


Yes drawing is hard hard hard work, however we are not talking about art and its quality, we are talking about manga panels and character designs
Jun 3, 2010 7:36 AM

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I was wondering when he was going to introduce his mom into the mix.

(Besides the earlier cameo appearance with Jiraiya and Minato.)
Jun 3, 2010 8:42 AM

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New Technique of naruto that [sage art gargantuan rasengan]??

w3w.. love this.. episode.
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ToolToulTo said:
And btw i don't know why you are all bitching about the artwork.

You should try to draw a gigantic fox: with 9 tails flying all over the place, over a water filled area; you should also try drawing explosions and jutsus with the water spilling all over the place, in fact every movement makes the water splash.

So, if you can draw all of that (and more that I didn't referenced) in 1 week, then you can bitch all you want.
You're just a bunch of ignorants that don't know how hard is the job of a mangaka.


But... It's not our job to draw the manga? Why should people have to prove that they're better at it, Kishimoto get's payed right? ;) Even if work is hard, we have the right to critizie. Plus, if kishi publish his manga internationally there's bound to be some critique, or don't you critizie anything you see or read at all? O.o Scariiee...
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w3w.. her mother illusion... like his father when pain vs naruto when he get the seal and father of naruto show... maybe there the same...

w3w 2 new technique love this.. wind elemental spiral shuriken w3w...
Jun 3, 2010 8:52 AM

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Hater of hater gotta hate ~

Some people on this thread are lame, I understand now why MAL have a bad reputation =/.
Jun 3, 2010 9:04 AM

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Dandere-chan said:
I understand now why MAL have a bad reputation =/.

What gave it away? The "general rule" that downloaded fansubs are somehow unanimously better than dubbed/streamed/DVD/officially subbed quality and just damn the companies that do stuff involving the industry? The tendency to rank a new anime show every season in the top 300 because that show features a trendy character labelled stereotype like tsundere/moe, regardless of how flawed the story is? People being biased against Naruto and Bleach every single freaking chapter when the same 20 people who hate those stories read them every week anyway? And yet everyone is just biased for One Piece despite whatever flaws that story could possibly have? Or how people are easily willing to tell you "get past the fanservice or 20 episodes and things get good?"

Really, what gave that away? *laughes*
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Hypeathon said:
Dandere-chan said:
I understand now why MAL have a bad reputation =/.

What gave it away? The "general rule" that downloaded fansubs are somehow unanimously better than dubbed/streamed/DVD/officially subbed quality and just damn the companies that do stuff involving the industry? The tendency to rank a new anime show every season in the top 300 because that show features a trendy character labelled stereotype like tsundere/moe, regardless of how flawed the story is? People being biased against Naruto and Bleach every single freaking chapter when the same 20 people who hate those stories read them every week anyway? And yet everyone is just biased for One Piece despite whatever flaws that story could possibly have? Or how people are easily willing to tell you "get past the fanservice or 20 episodes and things get good?"

Really, what gave that away? *laughes*


By having a bad reputation I meant about the people themselve, not their taste.
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Dandere-chan said:
By having a bad reputation I meant about the people themselve, not their taste.

Okay, but aren't the forums here plagued with people who have any of the above tastes I mentioned?
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Jesuvius said:
I gotta say I admire Fai's willpower to read every chapter that comes out, quickly make a topic before actually reading it, editing the topic into a bashing thread while complimenting the much worse Bleach, and later do the same to be the first topic maker for FMA:B, make a lame poll and bash Naruto some more.
Wait did I say admire? I meant pity.

The mom coming out of nowhere was weird. But without giving Kishimoto a chance to actually explain what happened (come on, we see her in one panel + half the back of her head). And I'd like to know more about her


Totally Agreed with this post... topic starter is a troller..
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At least we're gonna learn more things about Kushina. It's good i think (:
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So what's good about Naruto? I give you a chance to explain to us, haters, what aren't we seeing in this piece of shit that you worship.
I've seen the fan criticise the hater but I've never seen the fan actually say a reason why they like the manga.
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Loved the chaper, tohugh the last pafge kinda ruined it for me -.-
So I decided to temporarily forget about it, and remember the good parts
Really, another one of Fai's polls. And I was hopint that they were finally over with
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Dandere-chan said:
So what's good about Naruto? I give you a chance to explain to us, haters, what aren't we seeing in this piece of shit that you worship.
I've seen the fan criticise the hater but I've never seen the fan actually say a reason why they like the manga.


first of all i don't worship any manga/anime.. the only series is truely awesome for me was baccano!. but there are more than 30 peoples who gave it 1/10 (not to mention 2,3,4,5).

i watch/read to get some entertainment. not to waste my time on some crap which i don't like. in my opinion there are not any series which i call 100% perfect without any single flaw. even if i gave it 10/10.. that doesn't mean its didn't had any flaw or plot hole.

So the reason i watch/read naruto because I didn't get bored watchin/reading naruto.. isn't that enough? i just don't understand why someone watch/read a series which they hate so much.

by the way. just check my list and you will see how many series i have dropped (or put them on-hold).. just because i don't like them or i got bored. (i don't have so much free time in the world to waste on a series every week which i think is not worth to watch)
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DxC3i said:
Dandere-chan said:
So what's good about Naruto? I give you a chance to explain to us, haters, what aren't we seeing in this piece of shit that you worship.
I've seen the fan criticise the hater but I've never seen the fan actually say a reason why they like the manga.


first of all i don't worship any manga/anime.. the only series is truely awesome for me was baccano!. but there are more than 30 peoples who gave it 1/10 (not to mention 2,3,4,5).

i watch/read to get some entertainment. not to waste my time on some crap which i don't like. in my opinion there are not any series which i call 100% perfect without any single flaw. even if i gave it 10/10.. that doesn't mean its didn't had any flaw or plot hole.

So the reason i watch/read naruto because I didn't get bored watchin/reading naruto.. isn't that enough? i just don't understand why someone watch/read a series which they hate so much.

by the way. just check my list and you will see how many series i have dropped (or put them on-hold).. just because i don't like them or i got bored. (i don't have so much free time in the world to waste on a series every week which i think is not worth to watch)


So basically you have short attention span, and thats the reason why you like naruto?


Im sorry but thats all I could understand from your post...
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Fai said:
DxC3i said:
Dandere-chan said:
So what's good about Naruto? I give you a chance to explain to us, haters, what aren't we seeing in this piece of shit that you worship.
I've seen the fan criticise the hater but I've never seen the fan actually say a reason why they like the manga.


first of all i don't worship any manga/anime.. the only series is truely awesome for me was baccano!. but there are more than 30 peoples who gave it 1/10 (not to mention 2,3,4,5).

i watch/read to get some entertainment. not to waste my time on some crap which i don't like. in my opinion there are not any series which i call 100% perfect without any single flaw. even if i gave it 10/10.. that doesn't mean its didn't had any flaw or plot hole.

So the reason i watch/read naruto because I didn't get bored watchin/reading naruto.. isn't that enough? i just don't understand why someone watch/read a series which they hate so much.

by the way. just check my list and you will see how many series i have dropped (or put them on-hold).. just because i don't like them or i got bored. (i don't have so much free time in the world to waste on a series every week which i think is not worth to watch)


So basically you have short attention span, and thats the reason why you like naruto?


Im sorry but thats all I could understand from your post...


Because that's all that could be understood from his post.
Yet again a Naruto fan didn't mention one reason why Naruto was good even tough he wrote 8 lines of text -.-
Jun 3, 2010 11:32 AM

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This thread has turned into a trainwreck -_-

You either like the manga or dont, but seriously why do you people continue reading a manga you hate so damn much???? just move on with your lives and stop bitching over a damn drawing book
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Fettal said:
This thread has turned into a trainwreck -_-

You either like the manga or dont, but seriously why do you people continue reading a manga you hate so damn much???? just move on with your lives and stop bitching over a damn drawing book


That's what i want to tell them but they have so much free time to post a starting thread before even reading chapter than start bashing and calling this shits and that crap and still keep reading this shitty series.. just full of lulz..

i have a good advice for haters.. get a life. (rate naruto 1/10 and drop this shit. read something which you like)
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DxC3i said:
Fettal said:
This thread has turned into a trainwreck -_-

You either like the manga or dont, but seriously why do you people continue reading a manga you hate so damn much???? just move on with your lives and stop bitching over a damn drawing book


That's what i want to tell them but they have so much free time to post a starting thread before even reading chapter than start bashing and calling this shits and that crap and still keep reading this shitty series.. just full of lulz..

i have a good advice for haters.. get a life. (rate naruto 1/10 and drop this shit. read something which you like)


If they are reading it for the lolz then that means still love this series atleast, more viewers for Naruto is good right? so hey thats their stupid fault lol
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Fettal said:
DxC3i said:
Fettal said:
This thread has turned into a trainwreck -_-

You either like the manga or dont, but seriously why do you people continue reading a manga you hate so damn much???? just move on with your lives and stop bitching over a damn drawing book


That's what i want to tell them but they have so much free time to post a starting thread before even reading chapter than start bashing and calling this shits and that crap and still keep reading this shitty series.. just full of lulz..

i have a good advice for haters.. get a life. (rate naruto 1/10 and drop this shit. read something which you like)


If they are reading it for the lolz then that means still love this series atleast, more viewers for Naruto is good right? so hey thats their stupid fault lol


There is a difference between liking Naruto and thinking it is great.
I continue to read Naruto because I get entertained when I read it but unlike the most ravid fan I understand that the manga have ton of flaw and cannot be called great, god it can't even be called good.

Liking something comes after you know it's possitive point AND it's flaws, if you remember only the good point and do a blind eyes to the bad one you are only but a retarded weeaboo.

I don't expect MAL to understand that tough.
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Fai said:
ToolToulTo said:
And btw i don't know why you are all bitching about the artwork.

You should try to draw a gigantic fox: with 9 tails flying all over the place, over a water filled area; you should also try drawing explosions and jutsus with the water spilling all over the place, in fact every movement makes the water splash.

So, if you can draw all of that (and more that I didn't referenced) in 1 week, then you can bitch all you want.
You're just a bunch of ignorants that don't know how hard is the job of a mangaka.


The problem is not details, but design.


You can still make kyuubi look badass evil and horrendous, without adding to many details to him.


What Kishimoto did was different - it was like he just mishmashed whatever he could into some fox guy with make-up.


Its not hard to draw simple ferociously looking fox, or to add a lot of harsh, straight lines in closeups.

The kyuubi Kishi drew for last ~4 chapters looks more like Willie E Coyote, drawn by 13 year old child.


You do not need details to make him look menacing, awesome, unfortunately it seems kishi no longer cares.


Yes drawing is hard hard hard work, however we are not talking about art and its quality, we are talking about manga panels and character designs

Then, try to draw a surprised or pained "ferocious looking fox". See if you can. And by the way, you may be right about Kishi being tired of Naruto, but if that's the case then be glad that he hasn't ended it yet so that you can still read/view a new chapter/episode every week. You are all talking trash about Kishi but he gets the job done every week and if he announced that he was going to finish Naruto soon you would all be like "WTF!"
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ToolToulTo said:
And btw i don't know why you are all bitching about the artwork.

You should try to draw a gigantic fox: with 9 tails flying all over the place, over a water filled area; you should also try drawing explosions and jutsus with the water spilling all over the place, in fact every movement makes the water splash.

So, if you can draw all of that (and more that I didn't referenced) in 1 week, then you can bitch all you want.
You're just a bunch of ignorants that don't know how hard is the job of a mangaka.


But... It's not our job to draw the manga? Why should people have to prove that they're better at it, Kishimoto get's payed right? ;) Even if work is hard, we have the right to critizie. Plus, if kishi publish his manga internationally there's bound to be some critique, or don't you critizie anything you see or read at all? O.o Scariiee...

And hey, sure Kishi gets payed for his work but he also has a deadline, so, if he doesn't get all his drawing done in that 1 week he doesnt get payed. And sure, there's criticism all around the world, but that's because people are like that. If we weren't critics then we weren't human. However, I'm talking about unfounded criticismthat is also the most common and that just pisses me off
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There is a difference between liking Naruto and thinking it is great.
I continue to read Naruto because I get entertained when I read it but unlike the most ravid fan I understand that the manga have ton of flaw and cannot be called great, god it can't even be called good.

Liking something comes after you know it's possitive point AND it's flaws, if you remember only the good point and do a blind eyes to the bad one you are only but a retarded weeaboo.

I don't expect MAL to understand that tough.


I didn't say you call it great.. but at-least if its fine for you than continue reading and stop bashing blindly on every single point. yeah you should point out flaw or plot hole same as i do for naruto and bleach (sometimes). but you're reading a series which is not even good.. and wow.. mahou sensie shota and still shota is awesome series without any flaw, plot hole. 10/10
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DxC3i said:
Dandere-chan said:
There is a difference between liking Naruto and thinking it is great.
I continue to read Naruto because I get entertained when I read it but unlike the most ravid fan I understand that the manga have ton of flaw and cannot be called great, god it can't even be called good.

Liking something comes after you know it's possitive point AND it's flaws, if you remember only the good point and do a blind eyes to the bad one you are only but a retarded weeaboo.

I don't expect MAL to understand that tough.


I didn't say you call it great.. but at-least if its fine for you than continue reading and stop bashing blindly on every single point. yeah you should point out flaw or plot hole same as i do for naruto and bleach (sometimes). but you're reading a series which is not even good.. and wow.. mahou sensie shota and still shota is awesome series without any flaw, plot hole. 10/10


Oh my,
Using what someone have on their list against them is the lowest form of counter argument you could come with. Stop acting like a child and explain your point with valid and solid argument if you are not happy with what I said.
Please say where I said that Mahou sensei negima was perfect. I never did said anything like that. 10/10 is because of my big enjoyment when reading the series, not because it is great or anything.





Basically you would have to rape someone and be raped in return to openly say that rape is bad or good? The world does not work this way. People can openly say anything they want and in return you can openly say what you want against about them, the only thing that differency people in the internet is the argument they use and how open minded they are.

Well I understand that for some of you hearing something bad about a manga that you like may be hard on you but from here's on you just have two options:
-If you agree with what he said then just accept it
-If you disagree with what he said then counter his argument, attacking the person is lame and does no good for the discution.

I rarely side with Fai by the way but I don't think he merit all the bashing he's getting, if you guys cry because he made a troll poll on an anime forum then you probably aren't mature and open minded enough.
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Well I understand that for some of you hearing something bad about a manga that you like may be hard on you but from here's on you just have two options:
-If you agree with what he said then just accept it
-If you disagree with what he said then counter his argument, attacking the person is lame and does no good for the discution.

I rarely side with Fai by the way but I don't think he merit all the bashing he's getting, if you guys cry because he made a troll poll on an anime forum then you probably aren't mature and open minded enough.
I do like Naruto but I wouldn't start to say anything unless people weren't being immature. I disagreed what they were saying about the artwork and I counter-argumented what they were saying. I wasn't attacking anyone in particular. I was just saying how they shouldn't say those things without thinking first.
And I wasn't crying because Fai made a troll poll, in fact, I wasn't even crying. Once again, I was just saying that they were ignorants. I wasn't being emotional, I was thinking racionally
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@Dandere-chan:
Its was not lowest form but a true counter of your previous post.. thats what i want to say to you back in my first post.. but you didn't understand at all..

i didn't said naruto is without any flaw or plot holes or greatest series ever.. i have pointed out alot of plot holes of naruto by myself on different forums.. but it was not with full of hatred and bashing without any reason.

i rated naruto 9/10 because of enjoyment. not because of truly awesome story. and i dropped negima manga/anime both because i didn't liked it. but you won't find my any post against negima fans on any forum. (neither i will ask to you what is so great about negima)

So if you don't like naruto. stop reading it.. if you think its entertaining but there are alot of plot holes and want to point out.. then atleast post with some respect and don't offend other peoples who like it and don't post stupid questions like.. narutards.. what is so great about naruto?

and my stupid argument on naruto ends here.. :) Sorry if i offend you with my any word.
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@Dandere-chan:
Its was not lowest form but a true counter of your previous post.. thats what i want to say to you back in my first post.. but you didn't understand at all..

i didn't said naruto is without any flaw or plot holes or greatest series ever.. i have pointed out alot of plot holes of naruto by myself on different forums.. but it was not with full of hatred and bashing without any reason.

i rated naruto 9/10 because of enjoyment. not because of truly awesome story. and i dropped negima manga/anime both because i didn't liked it. but you won't find my any post against negima fans on any forum. (neither i will ask to you what is so great about negima)

So if you don't like naruto. stop reading it.. if you think its entertaining but there are alot of plot holes and want to point out.. then atleast post with some respect and don't offend other peoples who like it and don't post stupid questions like.. narutards.. what is so great about naruto?

and my stupid argument on naruto ends here.. :) Sorry if i offend you with my any word.
Awesome. Great counter. I like what you said there ;)
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Alright! Now with everything back to being peachy and non-threatening, we can get back to the discussion on this episode!

So, am I the only one who is excited about Kushina? I've been wondering about herfor so long! Like her background and what kind of powers she might have. That sort of thing. I remember Minato (or Jiraiya?) saying Naruto is more like her mom. She seems so laid-back and chill, though. I can't picture her being... you know... Narutoish.
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Its was not lowest form but a true counter of your previous post.. thats what i want to say to you back in my first post.. but you didn't understand at all..


In school you learn that argumentation is divided in different categories.
I don't feel like making a course there so start by reading that.
The fact that I gave a 10/10 on Negima is not related to anything, it's like saying that liking bread and disliking pasta is weird. You can't conclude anything out of it other than it being an interpretation from you, if it is so then I can defend myself saying that what you said hold no basis because you have Naruto in your favorite. An Ad hominem is easy, weak and only serve to provocate people.


DxC3i said:

i didn't said naruto is without any flaw or plot holes or greatest series ever.. i have pointed out alot of plot holes of naruto by myself on different forums.. but it was not with full of hatred and bashing without any reason.


I never said or hinted that you think that Naruto is perfect, I talked in a general case about the usual Naruto fanboy. Fai is direct and he talk too much, that I have to agree. He love to provoc the fan, saying he is a troll is like walking in the palm of his hand tough. Ignore him, report him, do whatever you want but that has nothing to do with his argument, which is what you need to counter.


DxC3i said:

i rated naruto 9/10 because of enjoyment. not because of truly awesome story. and i dropped negima manga/anime both because i didn't liked it. but you won't find my any post against negima fans on any forum. (neither i will ask to you what is so great about negima)


This is different, I like Naruto and I come into the forum to discuss it's flaws because talking about the good stuff serve no purpose. If you really understand that Naruto is not perfect then I do not see why you complain about people pointing's things out, yet again if Fai offended you -> Call a mod. Telling him he's a troll and that he should get a life make you not better than him, especially worst if all you do is directly or undirectly insulting him.



DxC3i said:

So if you don't like naruto. stop reading it.. if you think its entertaining but there are alot of plot holes and want to point out.. then atleast post with some respect and don't offend other peoples who like it and don't post stupid questions like.. narutards.. what is so great about naruto?
)


This is a great one, the guys that hate it should explain why they hate it and the guys that like it don't have to explain why he like it?
It's too easy to just limit what you have to say in an argument.

ToolToulTo said:
Awesome. Great counter. I like what you said there ;)


This was not a great counter, please stop turning at every corner and use proper argument. Things like ''Everyone have different taste'', ''If you don't like it leave'', are not arguments.
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Dandere-chan, your acting like a troll now, please stop with this stupid argument and either accept the manga as it is or dont. Many people like the manga cause they either like to know how it turns out in the end or cause of the characters and concept of the world Kishi has created to atract readers.

There I just answered your question. Now can we please get back on topic of the chapter?
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Fettal said:
Dandere-chan, your acting like a troll now, please stop with this stupid argument and either accept the manga or dont. Many people like the manga cause they either like to how it turns out in the end or they just enjoy the hell out of it cause they still love this manga, I just read it cause I like the story and the world Kishi created.

There I just answered your question. Now can we please get back on topic of the chapter?


I am not acting like a troll, which you obviously don't seem to know.
This is a discution thread, we are discussing about Naruto, there is no problem here. It is way mopre constructive than the ''Good chapter'' , ''Oh, i'm so wondering what will happen next week!'' post that serve no purpose whatsoever.
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That was shocking. Naruto was putting the beats on the Kyuubi for a second, and seeing Kushina...that really took me by surprise. Which brings me to my next point...

What the hell? Naruto's been wondering his whole life who his parents were, only to find that they were chillin' in his conscience the whole time. Only in Naruto have I ever seen mental family reunions lol.

But I am itching to know what she tells him. Kushina is the most mysterious character in the Narutoverse to me since we hardly know anything about her. Hopefully they have a good conversation, maybe even a flashback. I thought Naruto meeting his Dad turned out a tad anticlimactic so I want this to be a bit more dramatic.
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That was shocking. Naruto was putting the beats on the Kyuubi for a second, and seeing Kushina...that really took me by surprise. Which brings me to my next point...

What the hell? Naruto's been wondering his whole life who his parents were, only to find that they were chillin' in his conscience the whole time. Only in Naruto have I ever seen mental family reunions lol.

But I am itching to know what she tells him. Kushina is the most mysterious character in the Narutoverse to me since we hardly know anything about her. Hopefully they have a good conversation, maybe even a flashback. I thought Naruto meeting his Dad turned out a tad anticlimactic so I want this to be a bit more dramatic.


I felt that same way about Naruto meeting his dad as well! It was cool, yes, but it felt kinda empty.

"Hey! I'm your pops! I'm sorry I've caused you some much grief! Here, let me reseal your seal on your tummy! Oh! And you go, boy!"

Looking forward to something more wholesome with his mama!
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Dandere-chan said:
Fettal said:
Dandere-chan, your acting like a troll now, please stop with this stupid argument and either accept the manga or dont. Many people like the manga cause they either like to how it turns out in the end or they just enjoy the hell out of it cause they still love this manga, I just read it cause I like the story and the world Kishi created.

There I just answered your question. Now can we please get back on topic of the chapter?


I am not acting like a troll, which you obviously don't seem to know.
This is a discution thread, we are discussing about Naruto, there is no problem here. It is way mopre constructive than the ''Good chapter'' , ''Oh, i'm so wondering what will happen next week!'' post that serve no purpose whatsoever.

Its hell of lot better than " This manga sucks, Kishi is a horrible writer and should DIE" cause Ive been hearing lot of that in these discussions lately.

Ive been dissapointed in chapters before and being dissapointed and bashing the manga are two diffrent things

Im done arguing, Have a nice day.
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Two great questions invade my mind after reading the chapter. The first one is "What the f**k happened to art quality?" and the other one being "Why is Naruto's mom his anchor to the world when he's about to be corrupted by the Kyubi?"
I hope at least an explanation of the second one will happen next chapter, since Naruto can't have a recolection of someone he never saw means that has to be part of her in some way similar to 4th Hokage's appearance before Naruto. But even if that where the case, we're talking about a person he barely cared for before (never questioned who his mom was) and was mentioned like 2 times in the whole manga and now here appears to give the "people are good" speech to her son.

PD: Give opinions (good or bad) people, but please stop this lame flame war a.k.a. constant bitching at each other, please.
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Fettal said:
Dandere-chan said:
Fettal said:
Dandere-chan, your acting like a troll now, please stop with this stupid argument and either accept the manga or dont. Many people like the manga cause they either like to how it turns out in the end or they just enjoy the hell out of it cause they still love this manga, I just read it cause I like the story and the world Kishi created.

There I just answered your question. Now can we please get back on topic of the chapter?


I am not acting like a troll, which you obviously don't seem to know.
This is a discution thread, we are discussing about Naruto, there is no problem here. It is way mopre constructive than the ''Good chapter'' , ''Oh, i'm so wondering what will happen next week!'' post that serve no purpose whatsoever.

Its hell of lot better than " This manga sucks, Kishi is a horrible writer and should DIE" cause Ive been hearing lot of that in these discussions lately.

Ive been dissapointed in chapters before and being dissapointed and bashing the manga are two diffrent things

Im done arguing, Have a nice day.

You obviously haven't read my posts. I never said something like that so before actually entering a discution, call me a troll and leave I would suggest you to start reading.
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Like her being there or not liking it, doesn't matter and it's all cool to express your opinions. Saying its dumb and random is just biased, give Kishi the chance to explain/rationalize it first. You only see half the back of her head, on one panel of her face.
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AntreIstakis said:
BlackPanels said:
That was shocking. Naruto was putting the beats on the Kyuubi for a second, and seeing Kushina...that really took me by surprise. Which brings me to my next point...

What the hell? Naruto's been wondering his whole life who his parents were, only to find that they were chillin' in his conscience the whole time. Only in Naruto have I ever seen mental family reunions lol.

But I am itching to know what she tells him. Kushina is the most mysterious character in the Narutoverse to me since we hardly know anything about her. Hopefully they have a good conversation, maybe even a flashback. I thought Naruto meeting his Dad turned out a tad anticlimactic so I want this to be a bit more dramatic.


I felt that same way about Naruto meeting his dad as well! It was cool, yes, but it felt kinda empty.

"Hey! I'm your pops! I'm sorry I've caused you some much grief! Here, let me reseal your seal on your tummy! Oh! And you go, boy!"

Looking forward to something more wholesome with his mama!

Lol! Me too. Who knows? Maybe it wasn't a fail-safe that made his mom appear like it was with the 4th? What if her conscience was somewhere in the midst of the Kyuubi's hatred? That might be a reach but it's still somewhat possible.
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Somehow I saw this coming, but seriously pulling out Kushina now? What the hell is Kishi thinking?
Now we'll get nice talking between mother and son. Not that I'm not glad to see Kushina...I hope it'll actually turn out well~~
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I gotta say I admire Fai's willpower to read every chapter that comes out, quickly make a topic before actually reading it, editing the topic into a bashing thread while complimenting the much worse Bleach, and later do the same to be the first topic maker for FMA:B, make a lame poll and bash Naruto some more.
Wait did I say admire? I meant pity.

The mom coming out of nowhere was weird. But without giving Kishimoto a chance to actually explain what happened (come on, we see her in one panel + half the back of her head). And I'd like to know more about her


This. I have half a mind to ask someone to create the polls for naruto and FMA:B earlier than Fai because of how dumb they've gotten. They were funny at first for the 2 polls on brotherhood but now it's just getting dumb
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Fettal said:
You either like the manga or dont, but seriously why do you people continue reading a manga you hate so damn much???? just move on with your lives and stop bitching over a damn drawing book

That argument doesn't work.
For one this is the internet. Bitching is one of the main purposes of the internet. Besides what else can we talk about here? Cause I can't say I am impressed with the naruto storyline at the moment. I mean before long Naruto will be jumping off cliffs just to be knocked out of it and meet his grandpa.
Two, we have been reading this this for 497 chapters. Do you really think we can just drop it now? We are already this far in. We might as well see how much of a trainwreck this becomes.
Three, without haters there would only be Narutards in here all saying the exact same thing. "Chapter awesome! HinataXNaruto! Lololololololol!"

So quiet you.
Anyway seems all the characters I ever had respect for are gone. Itachi being turned into a good guy and Nine tails who has been one of the main obstacles and major plot points of Naruto is about to be tamed after an day or so of training.
Isn't that fantastic......

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

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