| First of all: This isn’t bait, I’m not a hater. I’m just sharing my opinion. Please be respectful. The story has been stuck in a tiring cycle for quite some time. Yoshiki flirts with Hikaru > gets scared > flirts again > gets scared and makes a move > regrets it and their relationship goes back to square one. And every now and then there’s some supernatural case happening in the background. Even Tanaka, who seemed like the one pushing the story forward, stopped showing up in the recent episodes. Other than that, it feels like the story isn’t progressing. |
| I'm not sure if I would call what Yoshiki is doing with "Hikaru" flirting haha xD But I sort of get what you mean. It seems that you have the same perception of Yoshiki, that Yoshiki has of himself - he even says last episode when he decides that he's staying by "Hikaru's" side once again - "time and time again I'm an idiot" - he also feels like he's going in circles in a way. But is he really? In EP1-3 his view of "Hikaru" is essentially "I want you to stay by my side cause I miss Hikaru". He accepts his presence as a substitute for Hikaru, cause he feels that he needs that at the moment. But the thing that breaks him out of that is that there are too many differences, he cannot keep pretending that "Hikaru" is really Hikaru, and "Hikaru" cannot be a perfect copy. So he snaps at "Hikaru". And as a result the relationship changes. After that, in EP3-6, he accepts "Hikaru" as his own being - now he's trying to teach "Hikaru" how to be properly human, instead of a dangerous monster. But the thing that breaks him out of that is "Hikaru" attempting to kill Asako, and the fact that "Hikaru" doesn't even understand why what he tried to do was wrong. So in EP7 he snaps again and attempts to murder "Hikaru". It feels like a point of no return, and it seems obvious that no matter the outcome, Yoshiki was probably planning to end his own life here as well. "Hikaru" still doesn't understand meaning of life, but begins to understand that it's something valuable to humans. So to balance out the relationship he weakens himself - a compromise to try to preserve human life... As a result relationship changes again - now Yoshiki is under no illusion that "Hikaru" can never be human and "shouldn't be there"... but because he is staying there and Yoshiki accepts that, he instead changes focus to finding out what exactly is "Hikaru" The thing that remains the same is Yoshiki coming back to accept "Hikaru" time and time again in some type of way, but that doesn't make the relationship stagnant. The way he accepts him changes. The way he sees him changes. EDIT: As for Tanaka - let him cook xD I swear it's going somewhere |
FireSalamanderAug 18, 8:44 AM
| I don't think they're flirting at all |
| The tiring cycle is seen here by people who don't care about character development. Otherwise, I don't understand how you can miss the dramatic changes in the relationship between Yoshiki and Hikaru. Not to mention a lot of other things that happen on the background. |
| i think it's about Yoshiki's contonuing complicity and corruption by the Not-Hikaru. |
Reply to FireSalamander
I'm not sure if I would call what Yoshiki is doing with "Hikaru" flirting haha xD
But I sort of get what you mean. It seems that you have the same perception of Yoshiki, that Yoshiki has of himself - he even says last episode when he decides that he's staying by "Hikaru's" side once again - "time and time again I'm an idiot" - he also feels like he's going in circles in a way.
But is he really?
In EP1-3 his view of "Hikaru" is essentially "I want you to stay by my side cause I miss Hikaru". He accepts his presence as a substitute for Hikaru, cause he feels that he needs that at the moment. But the thing that breaks him out of that is that there are too many differences, he cannot keep pretending that "Hikaru" is really Hikaru, and "Hikaru" cannot be a perfect copy. So he snaps at "Hikaru". And as a result the relationship changes.
After that, in EP3-6, he accepts "Hikaru" as his own being - now he's trying to teach "Hikaru" how to be properly human, instead of a dangerous monster. But the thing that breaks him out of that is "Hikaru" attempting to kill Asako, and the fact that "Hikaru" doesn't even understand why what he tried to do was wrong.
So in EP7 he snaps again and attempts to murder "Hikaru". It feels like a point of no return, and it seems obvious that no matter the outcome, Yoshiki was probably planning to end his own life here as well. "Hikaru" still doesn't understand meaning of life, but begins to understand that it's something valuable to humans. So to balance out the relationship he weakens himself - a compromise to try to preserve human life... As a result relationship changes again - now Yoshiki is under no illusion that "Hikaru" can never be human and "shouldn't be there"... but because he is staying there and Yoshiki accepts that, he instead changes focus to finding out what exactly is "Hikaru"
The thing that remains the same is Yoshiki coming back to accept "Hikaru" time and time again in some type of way, but that doesn't make the relationship stagnant. The way he accepts him changes. The way he sees him changes.
EDIT: As for Tanaka - let him cook xD I swear it's going somewhere
But I sort of get what you mean. It seems that you have the same perception of Yoshiki, that Yoshiki has of himself - he even says last episode when he decides that he's staying by "Hikaru's" side once again - "time and time again I'm an idiot" - he also feels like he's going in circles in a way.
But is he really?
In EP1-3 his view of "Hikaru" is essentially "I want you to stay by my side cause I miss Hikaru". He accepts his presence as a substitute for Hikaru, cause he feels that he needs that at the moment. But the thing that breaks him out of that is that there are too many differences, he cannot keep pretending that "Hikaru" is really Hikaru, and "Hikaru" cannot be a perfect copy. So he snaps at "Hikaru". And as a result the relationship changes.
After that, in EP3-6, he accepts "Hikaru" as his own being - now he's trying to teach "Hikaru" how to be properly human, instead of a dangerous monster. But the thing that breaks him out of that is "Hikaru" attempting to kill Asako, and the fact that "Hikaru" doesn't even understand why what he tried to do was wrong.
So in EP7 he snaps again and attempts to murder "Hikaru". It feels like a point of no return, and it seems obvious that no matter the outcome, Yoshiki was probably planning to end his own life here as well. "Hikaru" still doesn't understand meaning of life, but begins to understand that it's something valuable to humans. So to balance out the relationship he weakens himself - a compromise to try to preserve human life... As a result relationship changes again - now Yoshiki is under no illusion that "Hikaru" can never be human and "shouldn't be there"... but because he is staying there and Yoshiki accepts that, he instead changes focus to finding out what exactly is "Hikaru"
The thing that remains the same is Yoshiki coming back to accept "Hikaru" time and time again in some type of way, but that doesn't make the relationship stagnant. The way he accepts him changes. The way he sees him changes.
EDIT: As for Tanaka - let him cook xD I swear it's going somewhere
| @FireSalamander That’s a good reply. This is something I failed to specify: the story isn’t exactly stuck, but very little of real relevance actually happens. I’m not saying I despise character development, since that’s the only argument people here seem to assume. But did we really need seven whole episodes just for Yoshiki to reach the obvious conclusion that he wants to know what Hikaru really is? The story is basically just that, and even so, the progress is painfully slow. I admit I understand now that my expectations were off. I thought it would be a horror and suspense story, but it’s not that at all. Horror and suspense are more like a skin for what it actually is. A dark romance Btw, thanks for the thoughtful reply. |
MaouHeroAug 18, 10:10 AM
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@FireSalamander That’s a good reply.
This is something I failed to specify: the story isn’t exactly stuck, but very little of real relevance actually happens.
I’m not saying I despise character development, since that’s the only argument people here seem to assume. But did we really need seven whole episodes just for Yoshiki to reach the obvious conclusion that he wants to know what Hikaru really is? The story is basically just that, and even so, the progress is painfully slow.
I admit I understand now that my expectations were off. I thought it would be a horror and suspense story, but it’s not that at all. Horror and suspense are more like a skin for what it actually is. A dark romance
Btw, thanks for the thoughtful reply.
This is something I failed to specify: the story isn’t exactly stuck, but very little of real relevance actually happens.
I’m not saying I despise character development, since that’s the only argument people here seem to assume. But did we really need seven whole episodes just for Yoshiki to reach the obvious conclusion that he wants to know what Hikaru really is? The story is basically just that, and even so, the progress is painfully slow.
I admit I understand now that my expectations were off. I thought it would be a horror and suspense story, but it’s not that at all. Horror and suspense are more like a skin for what it actually is. A dark romance
Btw, thanks for the thoughtful reply.
| @MaouHero No problem, I enjoy yapping about this show xD Not sure if I agree that the only purpose was for Yoshiki to reach conclusion that he needs to find out what "Hikaru" is. I think it's more about understanding that he can't make "Hikaru" into anything else than what he is now. And that's what pushes him do to research on what he actually is. It's about the levels of understanding each other. You can see it from "Hikaru's" perspective too, he's also taking steps to learn more about humanity, even though understanding it doesn't come naturally to him. This story puts the main emphasis on a relationship between a human and a non-human. It's intimate, but in it's own specific way. I think that the slow pacing is also to let the viewer sit with the current state of the story for a moment. For example to start hoping "oh, maybe "Hikaru" can actually slowly learn and adapt to human morality!" cause we spend a long time mulling over that, before we get the answer that is a resounding "NO" xD Also in my opinion it still is primarily horror and suspense, but a lot of it is tied inseparably to the inner conflicts surrounding the main relationship, in a way that seems surprising to some viewers. Ngl I kinda struggle to put my thoughts into non-spoiler messages sometimes xD Hope this makes some sense though |
FireSalamanderAug 19, 1:54 AM
| Dunno if you noticed, but the entire message is that the ship won't sail, because Yoshiki was in love with original Hikaru, not this impostor. We can clearly see him being depressed and feeling down all the time because he is still mourning Hikaru. His character arc is about him coming to terms with Hikaru's passing, not about developing relationships with Fake Hikaru. It is pretty obvious, that we won't see an uplifting gay story here with a happy ending. |
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| Shipping a monster with the emotional and moral capacity of an infant with its surrogate mother who sees him as a terrifying killer wearing his childhood friend's face (who he's mourning) is an interesting kind of morbid, I must say. That aside, as mentioned, they've obviously been progressing their understanding of eachother, both of them. Though, I think the only one actually learning anything significant is Yoshiki right now. "Hikaru" feels understandably alien with the actions they take and their inner monologue kinda relfects a casual way of thinking about everything. That, mixed with panic at the potential loss of its only anchor in this unfamiliar world it's ended up in. And I kinda forget about Tanaka because watching Yoshiki try to cope with Hikaru's loss and the moral ramifications of harboring this homicidal thing has been pretty interesting. I guess if you mean their relationship status is stuck, then I could agree with that. I think "Hikaru" can't actually comprehend how and why it sees Yoshiki the way it does. I don't actually know why it felt from the beginning that it had to remain hidden and that anyone that discovered it had to be dealt with. Or why being accepted was enough to keep Yoshiki alive, since "Hikaru" was ready to kill Yoshiki from the beginning until Yoshiki put "Hikaru" at ease. I don't think they even have platonic love at this point. |
SaigoKenseiAug 18, 8:29 PM
| "To be Great is to be misunderstood." - Ralph Waldo Emerson SaigoKensei said: My mistake was assuming they had the same amount of information I had.. |
| The author once mentioned that the story was planned to basically consist of 3 story arcs. We just reached the end of first arc - the "Daily Life" arc. As suggested at the end of this episode, now the focus is going to be on uncovering the mysteries - the second arc. I personally enjoy such slower stories, but for anyone who wants a bit of a change of pace, just letting you know that the story changes gears a bit here. |
| When you said stuck I thought of something else... |
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The author once mentioned that the story was planned to basically consist of 3 story arcs. We just reached the end of first arc - the "Daily Life" arc.
As suggested at the end of this episode, now the focus is going to be on uncovering the mysteries - the second arc.
I personally enjoy such slower stories, but for anyone who wants a bit of a change of pace, just letting you know that the story changes gears a bit here.
As suggested at the end of this episode, now the focus is going to be on uncovering the mysteries - the second arc.
I personally enjoy such slower stories, but for anyone who wants a bit of a change of pace, just letting you know that the story changes gears a bit here.
| @FireSalamander Agreed. I love slice-of-life stuff because we get to slowly explore all the characters and what their lives are like. It helps create more emotional attachment and a little nostalgia because we the viewers, along with the characters, are unlikely to ever return to the same way of life here ever again. It adds that sweet sweet melancholy to the ending. But some people want more momentum in their stories. |
Reply to FireSalamander
I'm not sure if I would call what Yoshiki is doing with "Hikaru" flirting haha xD
But I sort of get what you mean. It seems that you have the same perception of Yoshiki, that Yoshiki has of himself - he even says last episode when he decides that he's staying by "Hikaru's" side once again - "time and time again I'm an idiot" - he also feels like he's going in circles in a way.
But is he really?
In EP1-3 his view of "Hikaru" is essentially "I want you to stay by my side cause I miss Hikaru". He accepts his presence as a substitute for Hikaru, cause he feels that he needs that at the moment. But the thing that breaks him out of that is that there are too many differences, he cannot keep pretending that "Hikaru" is really Hikaru, and "Hikaru" cannot be a perfect copy. So he snaps at "Hikaru". And as a result the relationship changes.
After that, in EP3-6, he accepts "Hikaru" as his own being - now he's trying to teach "Hikaru" how to be properly human, instead of a dangerous monster. But the thing that breaks him out of that is "Hikaru" attempting to kill Asako, and the fact that "Hikaru" doesn't even understand why what he tried to do was wrong.
So in EP7 he snaps again and attempts to murder "Hikaru". It feels like a point of no return, and it seems obvious that no matter the outcome, Yoshiki was probably planning to end his own life here as well. "Hikaru" still doesn't understand meaning of life, but begins to understand that it's something valuable to humans. So to balance out the relationship he weakens himself - a compromise to try to preserve human life... As a result relationship changes again - now Yoshiki is under no illusion that "Hikaru" can never be human and "shouldn't be there"... but because he is staying there and Yoshiki accepts that, he instead changes focus to finding out what exactly is "Hikaru"
The thing that remains the same is Yoshiki coming back to accept "Hikaru" time and time again in some type of way, but that doesn't make the relationship stagnant. The way he accepts him changes. The way he sees him changes.
EDIT: As for Tanaka - let him cook xD I swear it's going somewhere
But I sort of get what you mean. It seems that you have the same perception of Yoshiki, that Yoshiki has of himself - he even says last episode when he decides that he's staying by "Hikaru's" side once again - "time and time again I'm an idiot" - he also feels like he's going in circles in a way.
But is he really?
In EP1-3 his view of "Hikaru" is essentially "I want you to stay by my side cause I miss Hikaru". He accepts his presence as a substitute for Hikaru, cause he feels that he needs that at the moment. But the thing that breaks him out of that is that there are too many differences, he cannot keep pretending that "Hikaru" is really Hikaru, and "Hikaru" cannot be a perfect copy. So he snaps at "Hikaru". And as a result the relationship changes.
After that, in EP3-6, he accepts "Hikaru" as his own being - now he's trying to teach "Hikaru" how to be properly human, instead of a dangerous monster. But the thing that breaks him out of that is "Hikaru" attempting to kill Asako, and the fact that "Hikaru" doesn't even understand why what he tried to do was wrong.
So in EP7 he snaps again and attempts to murder "Hikaru". It feels like a point of no return, and it seems obvious that no matter the outcome, Yoshiki was probably planning to end his own life here as well. "Hikaru" still doesn't understand meaning of life, but begins to understand that it's something valuable to humans. So to balance out the relationship he weakens himself - a compromise to try to preserve human life... As a result relationship changes again - now Yoshiki is under no illusion that "Hikaru" can never be human and "shouldn't be there"... but because he is staying there and Yoshiki accepts that, he instead changes focus to finding out what exactly is "Hikaru"
The thing that remains the same is Yoshiki coming back to accept "Hikaru" time and time again in some type of way, but that doesn't make the relationship stagnant. The way he accepts him changes. The way he sees him changes.
EDIT: As for Tanaka - let him cook xD I swear it's going somewhere
| @FireSalamander This is such a nice way of describing their relationship and Yoshiki coping with his grief of losing Hikaru. Real life do be like that where no matter how many conflicts are resolved, something else will pop up and each time they do and eventually get resolved the bond between two people become stronger |
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| i had to quickly look at the date of this thead lmao |
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