| Code Geass season 1 is one of my favorite anime, but I can't say the same about season 2: I expected things to keep "expanding", but what we got was a soft-reset so we could repeat some arcs/episodes from season 1, the solution for the Japan situation felt meh, I didn't like the China arc very much, and Rolo was definitely... a character. My biggest problem, however, was the sequence of episodes starting when Lelouch finally meets his father. I remember not understanding much what happened there, but the real issue that the anime's last arc, the last episodes didn't few like "Code Geass" to me, they didn't have the things that made me watch and like this anime to begin with... though I must admit that when they get to that flying castle it was pretty cool. What I can't understand is WHY people talk about the anime's ending like it was THE BEST ANIME ENDING of all time? I don't see what everyone sees in it, why do people think it is incredible? What's so amazing about it? From the people I saw talking about it, it seems that they didn't even know that Lelouch survived (The fact that his father gave him the code while "strangling" him, making someone who has both a Code and a Geass... Code Geass), something that people on /a/ knew about it on day 1. If it's not this factor (Considering the amount of people complaining when Fukkatsu no Lelouch was announced) then what do people see in it? |
Musashi_Arun said: Don’t know bro,i usually skip em endings he is talking abt the end of the story |
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| You seem to be under the impression that Lelouch definitively survives R2, which is not true. One reason people like Zero Requiem because it's conclusion is indecisive, and it says something interesting about each person that chooses to interpret it a certain way. The film your talking about is a sequel to the "recap" films not R2; they are a completely separate canon that retconned stuff from the original series. |
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| Because not only did he sacrifice his life, but also his reputation, it's the ultimate self-sacrifice. |
| No, the movie universe is different from the anime, Lelouch is dead according to R2 ending, all these next continuation are connected to the movie series |
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| it was easily top candidate for the greatest ending to an anime in history. what are you talking about? he literally did a world class masterstroke. the world on the brink of collapse and his reign as the protector for nanuly over as she became the product of what he despised within the empire; he "absorbed" all the world's hatred and "cleansed" the world of its own hate by "dying" as the devil. it has spiritual, political, and theoretical implications that can be studied, dissected, and researched still for years to come. this can be brought up as a dissertation for doctoral degree with all the meanings and implications of how culture and society today could benefit from a similar "savior" whether you are religious/spiritual or not. then add that final scene where lelouch is still alive, and it sends you down a path of possibilities for R3 and the future of Geass for years and years to come. Code Geass is the greatest story ever told and that is my opinion, but I'm just a guy that loves a great story. what do I know. 😂 |
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| Guys, I'm NOT talking about Ressurection, I'm NOT talking about the movies, I only mentioned it because at the time people were complaining stuff like "Nooo, you'll ruin a perfect ending". I'm saying that Lelouch survived in the ORIGINAL series, the original timeline, and what I mentioned was already discussed on /a/ the day the final episode dropped. |
| I completely agree, for most people, the second season,especially the last episodes and the ending—is the best part of Code Geass. But for me, it's the worst. The second season feels inferior to the first; it tries to pull off a plot twist every two minutes, and they just end up losing all impact. The final part is a rushed mess where all the series conflicts suddenly happen and get resolved so quickly it barely makes sense. The ending is fine, but I found it completely predictable, especially from the moment Lelouch and Suzaku team up, about four episodes before the end. I don’t understand how people were surprised. I don’t think it’s a bad ending, just not a remarkable one either. People really idolize it, i think is mostly because it’s an anime original, there was no manga beforehand, so everything felt more shocking, and because of the nostalgia that comes with it. If it were the ending of a manga released today, everyone would laugh at it, saying it ruined the series and calling it one of the worst endings in history. |
Reply to MediaDabbler
Since everyone else already kinda pointed out the problems with your hatred towards the ending, I wanted to highlight on the first paragraph.
How exactly did they not keep expanding the story? What soft reset did we get ? Or what arcs and episodes were repeated from season 1? Whats wrong with the solution to japan or chinese federation arc? And whats wrong with Rolo as a character?
The rest you kinda sorta explain why u don’t understand the love towards the ending starting with “I remember not understanding much what happened there”
How exactly did they not keep expanding the story? What soft reset did we get ? Or what arcs and episodes were repeated from season 1? Whats wrong with the solution to japan or chinese federation arc? And whats wrong with Rolo as a character?
The rest you kinda sorta explain why u don’t understand the love towards the ending starting with “I remember not understanding much what happened there”
MediaDabbler said: How exactly did they not keep expanding the story? Not the "story", but the "scope". Season 1 ends at the climax of the Japan arc, so it would be expected that, from then on, stakes would be global, and so would the story. MediaDabbler said: What soft reset did we get ? We're back to the school setting and lower stakes. MediaDabbler said: Or what arcs and episodes were repeated from season 1? The prime example would be the school festival one. MediaDabbler said: Whats wrong with the solution to japan or chinese federation arc? The solution to Japan isn't bad per se, but it was a bit of a letdown from the climax on season 1. It ended up feeling like "Yeah, let's wrap this up so we can go do other things". Bear in mind that I watched Code Geass eight years ago, so I don't recall much about the Chinese Federation Arc, other than that it felt a bit... weak? It's villains being stereotypical scheming eunuchs didn't help much. It just felt that we were doing random stuff instead of a carefully constructed plot. MediaDabbler said: And whats wrong with Rolo as a character? Lelouch going from hating him to mourning his death in a single episode felt off. MediaDabbler said: The rest you kinda sorta explain why u don’t understand the love towards the ending starting with “I remember not understanding much what happened there” That refers to all that stuff with Lelouch's parents, which I mark as the start of me disliking what was happening (Yes, despite all my previous complaints, the anime was still pretty good), so when the "AMAZING FINALE EVERYONE PRAISES" came, I was already in a "sour mood" with the anime. |
Triggerfish124 said: Yea I kind of figured, with Shirley being alive. I used to know a guy tho who said that Shirley was an angel. There was a bunch more technical stuff he brought up, but it went over my head tbh. In official Code Geass artworks, Shirley is depicted as an angel, so I believe it is cannon that after her passing, she went to heaven and found her wings 😇. To be honest, it still hurts me to watch her final scene in season 2....🥹 That tragic scene is heartbreaking and upsetting to me since she's my number one favorite character of all time....🥺 There are also fanarts of Shirley comforting Lelouch as "his" angel. I clearly ship them dearly as they are my OTP ship! 🚢 These 2 pictures of Shirley are one of my favorites! 💖   |
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| Because it was a plot-twist and everything "clicked" at the final minute where you didn't have time to process because everything happened so fast. Like clearly saw the signs on the past eps, but never saw it coming. Just think about it- Lelouch was portrayed as a Power-hungry tyrant the whole show who was ready to kill anyone for his goals. Then we were at the ending, he's the emperor, he got all the power. All his soldiers who betrayed him are gonna be executed. Nunally who betrayed him is also gonna die. We say "Ok this is Lelouch alright, he gonna kill everyone who betrayed him." but then we're hit with the "I'm actually a good guy and it was all my plan." We're like "Wait, really?? Oh shit!" moment. All the build up in 1minute exploded into a chef's kiss, and we'll think back about it that the signs has been there all along but we never noticed. At that point we only want him to have a happy ending for all his sacrifices, then Nunally- the person he loves the most touches him and suddenly knows the truth. We're like "Yes Nunally! he did this all for you! he loves you!" tl;dr:It's a roller-coaster of emotions + perfect plot-twist in the span of 1 minute. I mean, if you were spoiled before watching it then the ending might not be as impactful as people who watched it blindly. |
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thewiru said: We're back to the school setting and lower stakes. It just felt that we were doing random stuff instead of a carefully constructed plot. - Suzaku and Lelouch face off S1 end. - Lelouch loses. - Suzaku brings Lelouch to the Emperor. - Emperor knows Lelouch is Zero. He uses Geass to erase Lelouch memory and tells him to be a good school-boy. - Lelouch regains back his memory but has to stay at school since he's under surveillance from his father. - China arc stuff - China joins Lelouch. - Lelouch army now rivals Britannia. thewiru said: That refers to all that stuff with Lelouch's parents, which I mark as the start of me disliking what was happening - Britannia vs Rebels. - Kallen beats Suzaku - Suzaku with his "Do not die" Geass command accidentally uses the nuclear bomb - Nunally gets caught in the blast - Lelouch thinking Nunally died lost his will to fight. - His army betrays him - Lelouch depressed, decides to just trap himself and his father inside the dimension so Britannia loses an emperor. - Father says he will destroy the world so no one will suffer. - The Geass didn't like that and kills his father. - With the Emperor dead, Lelouch assumes the role of Emperor. |
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| I don't but the obvious reasons of why its pretty liked are: 1) excellent soundrack and camera directions in such scenes, 2) the series is popular and it was even more popular in the late 2000s, 3) it aired at the correct time 4) it’s an anime original, there was no manga beforehand 5) obviously nostalgia, if you know the reason of why he dies, it makes no sense and its just plain stupid and I don't need to mention how terrible R2 is in general but the "good" ending made several people forget about it. Death Note ending piss me off a lot but in a good way since it makes much sense considering its consistent with what we've seen unlike this show. My big issue with the ending it tries to be a "solution" to world-wide issues in a forced way. The plot-twist doesn't even make sense. It literally said wars and hate are going to end due everyone hating a single guy and now the hated guy is dead, then -somehow- we have world peace. It ruined the season. I don't mind Lelouch dying, it already makes better than your average series but I'm annoyed the reason of why dies and how stupid its the reasoning. It contradicts many thigs shown in the series. That's why R1>R2. The series in general is overrated anyways especially the second season. Code Geass has good ideas which they were mostly good executed in the first place but the second season is just inconsistent. It doesn't make sense for most of the time and the ending even much less. It only considered one of the "greatest ending to an anime in history" solely due to reasons I mentioned. It reminds me to Gundam Zeta ending but in a worse way. People won't automatically solve their issues like that. In fact, little to nothing changes in the "alternative" aka the new canon timeline where he lives besides an important plot point. Code Geass: Rozé of the Recapture from the previous year has a much better ending that wherever R2 tried to do but since its hated by almost everyone and it cannot be watched as a standalone, its not mentioned. @Triggerfish124 @thischeetobussin The movies are the new CG canon. They worked more in the movies for more years than the TV show already lol. They don't touch CG "original" canon where he remains dead since you can't continue the story without a familiar face as plot device. Honestly, I don't get why the did it, changing a few things and Rozé of the Recapture still happen in the old canon. I would prefer Lelouch dying in the movies -especially to see how bs the reasoning is- but they wanted the movies to be more "different" that they already are (besides making a new movie) so that's why he's somehow alive in the movies. |
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thewiru said:
Not the "story", but the "scope".
Season 1 ends at the climax of the Japan arc, so it would be expected that, from then on, stakes would be global, and so would the story.
We're back to the school setting and lower stakes.
The prime example would be the school festival one.
The solution to Japan isn't bad per se, but it was a bit of a letdown from the climax on season 1. It ended up feeling like "Yeah, let's wrap this up so we can go do other things".
Bear in mind that I watched Code Geass eight years ago, so I don't recall much about the Chinese Federation Arc, other than that it felt a bit... weak? It's villains being stereotypical scheming eunuchs didn't help much.
It just felt that we were doing random stuff instead of a carefully constructed plot.
Lelouch going from hating him to mourning his death in a single episode felt off.
That refers to all that stuff with Lelouch's parents, which I mark as the start of me disliking what was happening (Yes, despite all my previous complaints, the anime was still pretty good), so when the "AMAZING FINALE EVERYONE PRAISES" came, I was already in a "sour mood" with the anime.
MediaDabbler said:
How exactly did they not keep expanding the story?
How exactly did they not keep expanding the story?
Not the "story", but the "scope".
Season 1 ends at the climax of the Japan arc, so it would be expected that, from then on, stakes would be global, and so would the story.
MediaDabbler said:
What soft reset did we get ?
What soft reset did we get ?
We're back to the school setting and lower stakes.
MediaDabbler said:
Or what arcs and episodes were repeated from season 1?
Or what arcs and episodes were repeated from season 1?
The prime example would be the school festival one.
MediaDabbler said:
Whats wrong with the solution to japan or chinese federation arc?
Whats wrong with the solution to japan or chinese federation arc?
The solution to Japan isn't bad per se, but it was a bit of a letdown from the climax on season 1. It ended up feeling like "Yeah, let's wrap this up so we can go do other things".
Bear in mind that I watched Code Geass eight years ago, so I don't recall much about the Chinese Federation Arc, other than that it felt a bit... weak? It's villains being stereotypical scheming eunuchs didn't help much.
It just felt that we were doing random stuff instead of a carefully constructed plot.
MediaDabbler said:
And whats wrong with Rolo as a character?
And whats wrong with Rolo as a character?
Lelouch going from hating him to mourning his death in a single episode felt off.
MediaDabbler said:
The rest you kinda sorta explain why u don’t understand the love towards the ending starting with “I remember not understanding much what happened there”
The rest you kinda sorta explain why u don’t understand the love towards the ending starting with “I remember not understanding much what happened there”
That refers to all that stuff with Lelouch's parents, which I mark as the start of me disliking what was happening (Yes, despite all my previous complaints, the anime was still pretty good), so when the "AMAZING FINALE EVERYONE PRAISES" came, I was already in a "sour mood" with the anime.
And thats exactly what it does in the chinese federation arc and onwards but u claimed you didn’t like that.
How is being in the main setting make it reset? And how are the stakes ever lower?
School festivals are different
How is it a letdown and what even makes you come to that feeling or conclusion about it? You should definitely rewatch CG and come back to this thread if its still up by then. Because its an incredible arc with some the best speeches and quotes the villain wasnt even the eunuchs it was mainly schneizel who you get to see characterized in the arc. No random stuff tho idek what u could be referring to since there isn’t anything in particularly wrong with the arc itself.
How did Lelouchs development and perspective of Rolo for his actions and words feel off? Its never about the length for a story to tell but the pacing within that given length.
Well im not sure what you didn’t like exactly abt his parents either but idk maybe rewatch the show if you’d like to try and see why people like it.
MediaDabbler said: And thats exactly what it does in the chinese federation arc and onwards but u claimed you didn’t like that. Yeah, that puzzled me at the time also. I think it ended feeling more "self-contained" that I would like? Like, felt somewhat disconnected from the rest, like it was a spin-off. MediaDabbler said: How is being in the main setting make it reset? And how are the stakes ever lower? Answer this simple question: In the last 3 episodes of season 1, could you expect a return to school episodes? MediaDabbler said: Well im not sure what you didn’t like exactly abt his parents either but idk maybe rewatch the show if you’d like to try and see why people like it. I didn't understand much what was happening on that part they're talking about the Sword of Akasha and stuff. |
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thewiru said:
We're back to the school setting and lower stakes. It just felt that we were doing random stuff instead of a carefully constructed plot.
We're back to the school setting and lower stakes. It just felt that we were doing random stuff instead of a carefully constructed plot.
- Suzaku and Lelouch face off S1 end.
- Lelouch loses.
- Suzaku brings Lelouch to the Emperor.
- Emperor knows Lelouch is Zero. He uses Geass to erase Lelouch memory and tells him to be a good school-boy.
- Lelouch regains back his memory but has to stay at school since he's under surveillance from his father.
- China arc stuff
- China joins Lelouch.
- Lelouch army now rivals Britannia.
thewiru said:
That refers to all that stuff with Lelouch's parents, which I mark as the start of me disliking what was happening
That refers to all that stuff with Lelouch's parents, which I mark as the start of me disliking what was happening
- Britannia vs Rebels.
- Kallen beats Suzaku
- Suzaku with his "Do not die" Geass command accidentally uses the nuclear bomb
- Nunally gets caught in the blast
- Lelouch thinking Nunally died lost his will to fight.
- His army betrays him
- Lelouch depressed, decides to just trap himself and his father inside the dimension so Britannia loses an emperor.
- Father says he will destroy the world so no one will suffer.
- The Geass didn't like that and kills his father.
- With the Emperor dead, Lelouch assumes the role of Emperor.
-Shinzo said: - Suzaku and Lelouch face off S1 end. - Lelouch loses. - Suzaku brings Lelouch to the Emperor. - Emperor knows Lelouch is Zero. He uses Geass to erase Lelouch memory and tells him to be a good school-boy. - Lelouch regains back his memory but has to stay at school since he's under surveillance from his father. - China arc stuff - China joins Lelouch. - Lelouch army now rivals Britannia. Congratulations: Around 10 episodes to get where we were at the end of S1. AKA a soft reset. |
thewiru said: Guys, I'm NOT talking about Ressurection, I'm NOT talking about the movies, I only mentioned it because at the time people were complaining stuff like "Nooo, you'll ruin a perfect ending". I'm saying that Lelouch survived in the ORIGINAL series, the original timeline, and what I mentioned was already discussed on /a/ the day the final episode dropped. So because someone said something on a western image board it's now magically true? Please don't tell me your referring to that hoax video where the cart driver's identity (from the end of R2) is explicitly "revealed" to be Lelouch. If your not trolling and genuinely interested on why code theory doesn't work I can post a good thread about it. I also used to think Lelouch must have survived - he was clever, calculating, and always had a way out of sticky situations. But as I got older it started making less sense for his character arc, ending neatly with his absolution through the execution of zero requiem. His survival undermines the meaning behind his sacrifice. |
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thewiru said: Pretty sure those 10 eps were needed for the plot to progress if you were paying attention.Congratulations: Around 10 episodes to get where we were at the end of S1. AKA a soft reset. Lelouch would've lost in S1 because he didn't had the backing of China and he didn't know that his Father also had a Geass. His plan was to meet Charles and Geass him to end the war but that would not have worked . One main factor was that Jeremiah told Lelouch about the Geass origins and Rolo's killing of Shirley- which led to Lelouch to knowing more about the Geass leading him to the Geass Dimension. If we skip those 10 episodes then Zero Requiem (His Sacrifice) would have never happened. |
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