| 16bit Sensation: Another Layer is a 2023 anime about VN fan being sad that the golden age of the medium is long gone, no longer "Great Epics" are made, a lot of people defecting to LN's and gacha, with what's being left being essentially low-quality half-price nukige. Now, the situation in anime is FAR from that dire, but I'm questioning myself if we're doing the "first step" towards it. I wrote in my Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS review how the anime seems built in trying to be "a Great Epic", but by the limitation of only having 26 episodes it chooses to put all it's efforts in only setting up a "last arc for a Great Epic" (And it succeeds at that). Meanwhile, I've been watching Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha ViVid, and by comparison it isn't that ambitious as a series. I feel that "Great Epics" HAVE to have at least two cours to exist, but "being long" alone isn't simply enough: I wouldn't count a LN adaptation whose each arc feels disconnected from the others as "a Great Epic", for a certain level of "planning" is needed, as well as a sense of scale. By it's first half, I wouldn't have said that Sousou no Frieren was trying to be "a Great Epic", but it's second half, in virtue of it's expansion of scope and doubling of the cast size, means that it COULD go in that direction. Likewise, I wouldn't say that the first two arcs of Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu would classify it as one, but the following ones 100% steer it in that direction. By comparison, Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu embodies that is a "Great Epic" from episode one. So what's you view on the subject? Is the fact that very few anime get multiple seasons a fact that could doom "Great Epics" being adapted into anime? While I mentioned Re:Zero and Mushouku Tensei as positive examples, they're WN's from the early-2010's. Is the format of current Web Novels deleterious for them to be "Great Epics"? |
| You mean the end of grand adventures? They will probably continue. |
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| I remembered in Kasier Video that One piece was also a epic because how big the world building was I will not consider the Re:Zero and Mushouku Tensei a epic yes it had world building but but tropes are kind give a away If I give a perfect example of Epic that will be Record of Lodoss War, Arslan Senki ,Legend of Basara Legend of Basara. For me even the the anime kind of short but the grand adventure and vibes feels like a epic. Another example for eastern style epic will be 12 kingdom that one I consider a epic, even is a Isekai and other will be Yona of the Dawn, but the problem is the story just began I will give manga a that is a epic the anime is just the prologue so yes and no I will give the Giant Robot:The Day the Earth Stood Still a grand epic because how big and grand the adventure even the world is kind of end Well depends, how the creators days I mean you can make a epic for just thirteen episode, but budget and creative narrative are kind of big player here. |
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| mushku tenshit isn't comparable to the other two. it's nothing but a shitty wish fulfillment isekai harem with a disgusting main character, pedo shit and one dimensional female characters |
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| When were anime putting out tons of great epics? Like any time someone makes a period claim that something has changed in the industry you would have to give a contrasting period. thewiru said: Is the fact that very few anime get multiple seasons a fact that could doom "Great Epics" being adapted into anime? While I mentioned Re:Zero and Mushouku Tensei as positive examples, they're WN's from the early-2010's. Is the format of current Web Novels deleterious for them to be "Great Epics"? When did anime get sequels often? If anything we get more sequels than ever before. Sure older shows might get a guaranteed 50 episode run in the 80s or 90s however, there were tons of just one off OVAs, with shorter runs, than your average 12 episode show. |
| Honestly I am hard-pressed to think of anything being a "Grand-Epic" outside of Gundam,Arslan Senki & Logh. |
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Reply to BilboBaggins365
When were anime putting out tons of great epics? Like any time someone makes a period claim that something has changed in the industry you would have to give a contrasting period.
When did anime get sequels often? If anything we get more sequels than ever before. Sure older shows might get a guaranteed 50 episode run in the 80s or 90s however, there were tons of just one off OVAs, with shorter runs, than your average 12 episode show.
thewiru said:
Is the fact that very few anime get multiple seasons a fact that could doom "Great Epics" being adapted into anime? While I mentioned Re:Zero and Mushouku Tensei as positive examples, they're WN's from the early-2010's. Is the format of current Web Novels deleterious for them to be "Great Epics"?
Is the fact that very few anime get multiple seasons a fact that could doom "Great Epics" being adapted into anime? While I mentioned Re:Zero and Mushouku Tensei as positive examples, they're WN's from the early-2010's. Is the format of current Web Novels deleterious for them to be "Great Epics"?
When did anime get sequels often? If anything we get more sequels than ever before. Sure older shows might get a guaranteed 50 episode run in the 80s or 90s however, there were tons of just one off OVAs, with shorter runs, than your average 12 episode show.
| @BilboBaggins365 BilboBaggins365 said: When were anime putting out tons of great epics? Well, "tons" never, but we once put some from time to time. BilboBaggins365 said: When did anime get sequels often? If anything we get more sequels than ever before. Sure older shows might get a guaranteed 50 episode run in the 80s or 90s however, there were tons of just one off OVAs, with shorter runs, than your average 12 episode show. Yeah, I should've been more explicit: It's more about episode count than sequels, because I implied that anime nowadays tend to be 1-2 cours. |
| I'm not that caught up anime from the last few years but one that definitely had that feeling for me was 'To Your Eternity'. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Nukige is under attack by banking and card processors. Our future is going more to Shimoneta. |
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| Frieren & Mushoku Tensie is very similar so both of them qulifies. Re:Zero first 2 arc is actually meh so fair. I think Shield hero first season atleast can be called that too. From second season I am not sure. Here wo go again MoralistClown said: mushku tenshit isn't comparable to the other two. it's nothing but a shitty wish fulfillment isekai harem with a disgusting main character, pedo shit and one dimensional female characters Imagine thinking waifu baits like Rem has more character development than even side chicks like Sara. I think not. Non Isekai front I think Apothecary Dairies & Oshi No Ko must be considered too from recent. |
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@BilboBaggins365
Well, "tons" never, but we once put some from time to time.
Yeah, I should've been more explicit: It's more about episode count than sequels, because I implied that anime nowadays tend to be 1-2 cours.
BilboBaggins365 said:
When were anime putting out tons of great epics?
When were anime putting out tons of great epics?
Well, "tons" never, but we once put some from time to time.
BilboBaggins365 said:
When did anime get sequels often? If anything we get more sequels than ever before. Sure older shows might get a guaranteed 50 episode run in the 80s or 90s however, there were tons of just one off OVAs, with shorter runs, than your average 12 episode show.
When did anime get sequels often? If anything we get more sequels than ever before. Sure older shows might get a guaranteed 50 episode run in the 80s or 90s however, there were tons of just one off OVAs, with shorter runs, than your average 12 episode show.
Yeah, I should've been more explicit: It's more about episode count than sequels, because I implied that anime nowadays tend to be 1-2 cours.
| @thewiru I mean sure there are less cour, however, you see more sequels so largely I don't think much has changed. |
Reply to WaterMage
Frieren & Mushoku Tensie is very similar so both of them qulifies. Re:Zero first 2 arc is actually meh so fair. I think Shield hero first season atleast can be called that too. From second season I am not sure.
Here wo go again
Imagine thinking waifu baits like Rem has more character development than even side chicks like Sara. I think not.
Non Isekai front I think Apothecary Dairies & Oshi No Ko must be considered too from recent.
Here wo go again
MoralistClown said:
mushku tenshit isn't comparable to the other two. it's nothing but a shitty wish fulfillment isekai harem with a disgusting main character, pedo shit and one dimensional female characters
mushku tenshit isn't comparable to the other two. it's nothing but a shitty wish fulfillment isekai harem with a disgusting main character, pedo shit and one dimensional female characters
Imagine thinking waifu baits like Rem has more character development than even side chicks like Sara. I think not.
Non Isekai front I think Apothecary Dairies & Oshi No Ko must be considered too from recent.
| @WaterMage Exactly. When complaining about another anime having one-dimensional female characters, Re:Zero is not the one that I'd hold up as the counter example. |
| Anime has never been the medium for epics. I periodically bump another thread discussing the matter. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1858531 thewiru said: 16bit Sensation: Another Layer is a 2023 anime about VN fan being sad that the golden age of the medium is long gone, no longer "Great Epics" are made, a lot of people defecting to LN's and gacha, with what's being left being essentially low-quality half-price nukige. Doesn't that show take place before epic visual novels even existed? |
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Reply to Lucifrost
Anime has never been the medium for epics. I periodically bump another thread discussing the matter.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1858531
Doesn't that show take place before epic visual novels even existed?
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1858531
thewiru said:
16bit Sensation: Another Layer is a 2023 anime about VN fan being sad that the golden age of the medium is long gone, no longer "Great Epics" are made, a lot of people defecting to LN's and gacha, with what's being left being essentially low-quality half-price nukige.
16bit Sensation: Another Layer is a 2023 anime about VN fan being sad that the golden age of the medium is long gone, no longer "Great Epics" are made, a lot of people defecting to LN's and gacha, with what's being left being essentially low-quality half-price nukige.
Doesn't that show take place before epic visual novels even existed?
| @Lucifrost It takes place in a lot of different years, as it involves time-travel. Eventually our protagonist manages |
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