Why is Re:Zero so polarizing?

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I disagree. The most polarising shows are the ones with ethical questions in them, like Mushoku Tensei, Monogatari etc.

Here we can only see a downfall and there are people who keep praising it even though it is not as good as it started and those who recognized that. Generally these are the 2 sides that are clashing.
Obviously there are people who didn't like it from the beginning, but we are at S3, they most likely dropped the show already and don't care about it at all.

Nov 7, 9:38 PM

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The more popular snow, the more haters it gets.
All you need to do is to look on titles such as Demon Slayer or JJK.
Some people really need to be reminded that...

Nov 7, 9:40 PM

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Reduce it's popularity and bring down the ratings, you'll see these manchildren going back to their basements.

Then the rest will be the population with media illiteracy.

That's it. Making a post about this is pointless.

edit: Also most of your "givens" are pretty much explainable.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Nov 7, 11:31 PM

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Almost anything popular has threads like this. It's nothing new. It's just people seeking attention like you.

Nov 8, 12:05 AM

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Reduce it's popularity and bring down the ratings, you'll see these manchildren going back to their basements.

Then the rest will be the population with media illiteracy.

That's it. Making a post about this is pointless.

edit: Also most of your "givens" are pretty much explainable.

@Laplace_kun Not very easily. There is a lot to connect.

Nov 8, 12:06 AM

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Almost anything popular has threads like this. It's nothing new. It's just people seeking attention like you.

@Moppit ? It’s not a bait thread

Nov 8, 12:16 AM

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No, cuz I don’t really hate it and I don’t really like it 🤣
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Nov 8, 12:34 AM

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mawawile said:
@Laplace_kun Not very easily. There is a lot to connect.

then the loudest Re:Zero discussions in the net wouldn't have been about suffering and ships.

Your first "given" is literally almost an isekai staple where most isekai doesn't give the reason. Sometimes isekai-ing happens just for the sake of it. Sometimes it's just pure bs mechanics or copypasta. At least in Re:Zero there is intrigue regarding Subaru's purpose in this world.

Your second given is common sense. Anyone with an ability like that and are physically weak themselves will be exploited to no end by the world for selfish goals or goals that doesn't ally with the giver of the power. S2 even spoonfeeds us with examples like Echidna and Roswaal who wants to exploit this power, even though the latter doesn't even know about RbD!

Your third given is the freaking real world. I mean just watch the other show "Orb" and look how the religious leaders follow a religious book blindly. And here we have literal cultists.

Anyway, it's what it is. I won't personally call this polarizing, it just has mostly a mixture of

1. loud haters that have limited resources to complain (Eg. Subaru is pathetic crybaby)

2. pseudo intellectuals having tunnel vision (Eg. suffering is the only appeal)

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Nov 8, 1:58 AM

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Simply put, Re Zero is targeted to a male demographic. I doubt he is a big hit with the female audience. I think a lot of haters never seen up to even arc 2. Most people love Re Zero though. Isekai rustles certain jimmies.
Pretty sure the violent ends of Subaru scare the weaker willed away. The people who stay get to appreciate the excellent character writing.

@rohan121 My sister loved it when I showed it to her.

‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz.

Nov 8, 2:05 AM

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The show is really hit or miss to me, whenever they're in the down low, with a lot of dialogue i start to hate the series, bc the character's conversations are way too artificial and flat, but when the battle starts and Subaru has to come up with plans, even when he fails, it becomes enjoyable to me, that must be why i like S1 way way more than S2 and why S3 has been just okay to me so far.

Nov 8, 2:39 AM

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That's not really true. I don't hate it at all, and I don't love it either. It's a good show with some things I dislike.

Nov 8, 6:04 AM

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Re: Zero is in my top 10 anime, but it also has some criticisms, mainly regarding the characters' activities,like Emilia's exaggerated innocence, or some of Subaru's inconsistent attitudes.

I also have my concerns about the ending, and the long length of the light novels.

Haters are common in all popular shows, most of these people have never even watched the anime.

Nov 8, 6:05 AM

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I disagree. The most polarising shows are the ones with ethical questions in them, like Mushoku Tensei, Monogatari etc.

Here we can only see a downfall and there are people who keep praising it even though it is not as good as it started and those who recognized that. Generally these are the 2 sides that are clashing.
Obviously there are people who didn't like it from the beginning, but we are at S3, they most likely dropped the show already and don't care about it at all.

@ktg Mushoku Tensei is also not polarized, the haters are a minority, most have never even watched the anime.

Nov 8, 6:11 AM

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@Laplace_kun Not very easily. There is a lot to connect.

then the loudest Re:Zero discussions in the net wouldn't have been about suffering and ships.

Your first "given" is literally almost an isekai staple where most isekai doesn't give the reason. Sometimes isekai-ing happens just for the sake of it. Sometimes it's just pure bs mechanics or copypasta. At least in Re:Zero there is intrigue regarding Subaru's purpose in this world.

Your second given is common sense. Anyone with an ability like that and are physically weak themselves will be exploited to no end by the world for selfish goals or goals that doesn't ally with the giver of the power. S2 even spoonfeeds us with examples like Echidna and Roswaal who wants to exploit this power, even though the latter doesn't even know about RbD!

Your third given is the freaking real world. I mean just watch the other show "Orb" and look how the religious leaders follow a religious book blindly. And here we have literal cultists.

Anyway, it's what it is. I won't personally call this polarizing, it just has mostly a mixture of

1. loud haters that have limited resources to complain (Eg. Subaru is pathetic crybaby)

2. pseudo intellectuals having tunnel vision (Eg. suffering is the only appeal)

@Laplace_kun Re:Zero isn't like other isekais with that first part. Subaru at many points in the series asks the burning question of why he was even brought there in the first place. We also get some more context about what his life was like on earth. There is obviously more to it in the case of Re:Zero compared to other isekai.

The second is the return by death that he can't say. Wdym? I am getting at the fact of why the witch granted him the ability and why. At the beginning we have no idea, and lots think she is very evil. Later in the anime it's because she supposedy loves him, and says it is because he gave her everything? It's a mystery that we aren't certain about. I am not confused about the two characters who found out and wanted to exploit it?

The real world lol.. Their book seems to tell the ACTUAL future if you forgot, it is supernatural. It regularly predicts things that a real world religious text cannot predict, and this makes it obvious by the point that there is actually something more to the gospel in this show. It is pretty interesting to me watching season 3 when I see that the archbishops aren't all exactly getting along (mainly Regulus with the rest), but they are following their gospel all the same and it has them all in the same place at the same time.

Ok you can have your opinion on it being polarizing or not.

Nov 8, 6:27 AM

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@Laplace_kun Re:Zero isn't like other isekais with that first part. Subaru at many points in the series asks the burning question of why he was even brought there in the first place. We also get some more context about what his life was like on earth. There is obviously more to it in the case of Re:Zero compared to other isekai.

The second is the return by death that he can't say. Wdym? I am getting at the fact of why the witch granted him the ability and why. At the beginning we have no idea, and lots think she is very evil. Later in the anime it's because she supposedy loves him, and says it is because he gave her everything? It's a mystery that we aren't certain about. I am not confused about the two characters who found out and wanted to exploit it?

The real world lol.. Their book seems to tell the ACTUAL future if you forgot, it is supernatural. It regularly predicts things that a real world religious text cannot predict, and this makes it obvious by the point that there is actually something more to the gospel in this show. It is pretty interesting to me watching season 3 when I see that the archbishops aren't all exactly getting along (mainly Regulus with the rest), but they are following their gospel all the same and it has them all in the same place at the same time.

Ok you can have your opinion on it being polarizing or not.

@mawawile You just ended up enhancing my points instead of arguing against them.

There is obviously more to it in the case of Re:Zero compared to other isekai.

That's it, so the summoning/isekaing of Subaru is not taken for granted. First "given" disqualified.

Wdym? I am getting at the fact of why the witch granted him the ability and why.

Oh, so you are asking what the One Piece is...

Second "given" is a "given", but reason for hatred? Nope. Unless one is loony.

The anime does commit a sin here withelding novel information about Satella, but that would be digressing from the RbD granting point.

Their book seems to tell the ACTUAL future if you forgot, it is supernatural.

So they will follow this book EVEN more than the real world counterparts? Third "given" disqualified. Me forget what? Sorry, I am not here to babysit.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Nov 8, 6:47 AM

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A lack of explanation of why the main character has entered a new world was not an "Isekai staple" when Re:Zero came out. I remember it was refreshingly fast how quickly it took for Subaru to get transported to another world.
Usually the explanation comes as they arrive. They were summoned, or reincarnated, or they found a magic door / well.

Nov 8, 7:00 AM

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@mawawile You just ended up enhancing my points instead of arguing against them.

There is obviously more to it in the case of Re:Zero compared to other isekai.

That's it, so the summoning/isekaing of Subaru is not taken for granted. First "given" disqualified.

Wdym? I am getting at the fact of why the witch granted him the ability and why.

Oh, so you are asking what the One Piece is...

Second "given" is a "given", but reason for hatred? Nope. Unless one is loony.

The anime does commit a sin here withelding novel information about Satella, but that would be digressing from the RbD granting point.

Their book seems to tell the ACTUAL future if you forgot, it is supernatural.

So they will follow this book EVEN more than the real world counterparts? Third "given" disqualified. Me forget what? Sorry, I am not here to babysit.

@Laplace_kun

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That's it, so the summoning/isekaing of Subaru is not taken for granted. First "given" disqualified.

Lmao so my original point was that Subaru is summoned with some purpose that we aren't sure about, and you are saying that it is easily explainable because in most isekai it is meaningless but at least in Re:Zero there is some intrigue regarding Subaru's purpose in the world. Well the intrigue with Subaru's purpose in the world likely has to do with why he was summoned. "Intrigue" like you say because it is barely explained, since it is a mystery. Point proven.

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Oh, so you are asking what the One Piece is...

Second "given" is a "given", but reason for hatred? Nope. Unless one is loony.

The anime does commit a sin here withelding novel information about Satella, but that would be digressing from the RbD granting point.

No I am not asking for it lol I am explaining something. People who love One Piece really love One Piece because the series consistently impresses them and again the confidence in the author's agency as a writer increases, leading to superfans being really excited about how grand and amazing the reveal will be. On the other hand, One Piece haters may get lost on a certain arc and think the writing is whatever, and so will lose faith in the author's ability to write a satisfying reveal. Thanks for giving me another example. Point proven.

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So they will follow this book EVEN more than the real world counterparts? Third "given" disqualified. Me forget what? Sorry, I am not here to babysit.

lol this is what you mean by enhanced? You brought up the religion point to draw a connection to the real world that would make their allegiance easily explainable. What I am telling you is that it is not comparable because their gospel is not comparable to a real world religious text, and therefore the "easily explainable bc religion" is not the explanation. I added to that saying how their behavior ACTUALLY is. Point proven.

Nov 8, 7:18 AM

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mawawile said:
Do you agree that Re:Zero is one of the most polarizing anime?

Have you heard of Mushoku Tensie.

Atleast Re:Zero fans don't have to deal with idiots calling their anime in degreatory terms.

Nov 8, 7:22 AM

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@mawawile "Point proven" You mean mine, right?

Because you just explained everything and it makes R:Z feel like the proper example of mystery genre anime (which it is), instead of a ton of "given" that the audience isn't supposed to think about or be given hints in the show.

"Intrigue" like you say because it is barely explained, since it is a mystery. Point proven.

So it's not a "given" at all. It just is the story itself.

Thanks for giving me another example. Point proven.

You just proved that the dislike of One Piece isn't tied to the lack of the endgame answer. So basically, you keep un-proving your points?

"easily explainable bc religion" is not the explanation.

I am beginning to understand what sort of thinking would lead you to make three improper points in the first place. Cultists of any religion would rather follow a certain dogma, and they will follow it even more willingly if it promises to guide them to their goals. It's basic psychology.

You keep refuting yourself with every reply, it's almost as if your original post needs a revision?

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Nov 8, 7:34 AM

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rezero haters are a minority. they can yap all they want but at the end of the day they are nothing more than just some stupid haters.

Nov 8, 7:39 AM

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@mawawile "Point proven" You mean mine, right?

Because you just explained everything and it makes R:Z feel like the proper example of mystery genre anime (which it is), instead of a ton of "given" that the audience isn't supposed to think about or be given hints in the show.

"Intrigue" like you say because it is barely explained, since it is a mystery. Point proven.

So it's not a "given" at all. It just is the story itself.

Thanks for giving me another example. Point proven.

You just proved that the dislike of One Piece isn't tied to the lack of the endgame answer. So basically, you keep un-proving your points?

"easily explainable bc religion" is not the explanation.

I am beginning to understand what sort of thinking would lead you to make three improper points in the first place. Cultists of any religion would rather follow a certain dogma, and they will follow it even more willingly if it promises to guide them to their goals. It's basic psychology.

You keep refuting yourself with every reply, it's almost as if your original post needs a revision?

@Laplace_kun If you don't get what I am saying that I am not sure what to say. Yes a proper mystery anime to fans but a huge mess to haters.

Laplace_kun said:
So it's not a "given" at all. It just is the story itself.

We keep these things our minds as we go through the story, expecting satisfying reveals down the line.

Laplace_kun said:
You just proved that the dislike of One Piece isn't tied to the lack of the endgame answer. So basically, you keep un-proving your points?

No I said that it can be tied to that. It is something that may happen. In my original post I said I think it is a big reason. But I also said there are probably other reasons of course.

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I am beginning to understand what sort of thinking would lead you to make three improper points in the first place. Cultists of any religion would rather follow a certain dogma, and they will follow it even more willingly if it promises to guide them to their goals. It's basic psychology.

You keep refuting yourself with every reply, it's almost as if your original post needs a revision?

I already said why the gospel in Re:Zero is not comparable to any real world religious text. The dogma in Re:Zero is provably true which is why it makes more sense to follow it. It is something that predicts the future in a way that a scientific model cannot. Like I said it is supernatural. You can't compare that to any real world religious text. In the real world those promises are not based around any provably true future and cannot predict anything that a scientific model cannot. People follow real world religions because of faith.

Nov 8, 7:55 AM

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@mawawile

Yes a proper mystery anime to fans but a huge mess to haters.

So you admit it, the goal of your post is searchig for the excuses the haters have to offer rather than the reason for their hatred in the first place.

I appreciate meta commentary, but this is pushing it. We don't care about haters so much that we need to analyse them. Rather we can directly analyse or criticise the show in these forums.

And these mystery elements aren't even the things haters bring up (Trollers/baiters? Yes, maybe. They'll hate a mecha because it has... mecha). The haters rather bring up stuff that are not related to mystery at all. Like things that have been explained in previous seasons. Reality betrays your preconceptions, my friend.

Just leave with the gospel shit, you just are proving again and again why the Re:Zero archbishops are following them so earnestly in the first place. This particular point is dead on arrival.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Nov 8, 8:13 AM

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mawawile said:
Do you agree that Re:Zero is one of the most polarizing anime?

Have you heard of Mushoku Tensie.

Atleast Re:Zero fans don't have to deal with idiots calling their anime in degreatory terms.

@WaterMage Yes, every day someone would do something like bait post, the worst was Okeanix.

Nov 8, 8:13 AM

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@Laplace_kun
I was asking others if and why they think it is. I just gave a reason that I was thinking about.

Yes I know there can be many different types of haters.

Nov 8, 10:00 AM

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ktg said:
I disagree. The most polarising shows are the ones with ethical questions in them, like Mushoku Tensei, Monogatari etc.

Here we can only see a downfall and there are people who keep praising it even though it is not as good as it started and those who recognized that. Generally these are the 2 sides that are clashing.
Obviously there are people who didn't like it from the beginning, but we are at S3, they most likely dropped the show already and don't care about it at all.

I've honestly not really seen much hate for Monogatari especially compared to mt for how Araragi can be a little sussy, might be due to Mono being a lot less influential in the west compared to the east

Nov 8, 10:16 AM

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@WaterMage Yes, every day someone would do something like bait post, the worst was Okeanix.

@1000-MAT most of them are bots and they only complain about quality of the show.

MT have many people gunning against it for absolute meaningless reasons without even understanding or trying to understand it.

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@WaterMage Yes, every day someone would do something like bait post, the worst was Okeanix.

@1000-MAT most of them are bots and they only complain about quality of the show.

MT have many people gunning against it for absolute meaningless reasons without even understanding or trying to understand it.

Nov 8, 2:39 PM

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The show is really hit or miss to me, whenever they're in the down low, with a lot of dialogue i start to hate the series, bc the character's conversations are way too artificial and flat, but when the battle starts and Subaru has to come up with plans, even when he fails, it becomes enjoyable to me, that must be why i like S1 way way more than S2 and why S3 has been just okay to me so far.

@SteelingMax This, for me too. Especially the antagonists, who more and more seem to tend toward being idiots at best spouting trite pseudo philosophical garbage (sophistry is too flattering a word) that fails to create any tangible tension (the more so given our knowledge of the resetting protagonist).

I've found myself skipping most conversations involving the arch-bisshop-y toddlers, hoping instead the show'll hark back to it's initial, sometimes gory approach of using the unique situation around Subaru et al to create an interesting and tense search procedure to solve a problem by systemically strategizing, trying, failing, reconsidering and trying again.

To each their own, I guess. But hoping it goes back to a more S1 approach I'll give it one more season .... maybe

Nov 8, 7:02 PM

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Hate to break it to you, but a LOT of it is the fandom, i.e. you and me. Re:Zero fans are annoying, to the point that we're at risk of ending up like MHA fans or JoJo fans back in like 2014 when JoJo fans were seen as annoying.

Exhibit A: this very thread. I can't even read this shit anymore without being frustrated. Everyone has to argue, has to be right, is insistent that the only way to disagree is to be stupid.

Nov 8, 7:36 PM

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@ktg Mushoku Tensei is also not polarized, the haters are a minority, most have never even watched the anime.

@1000-MAT When you need to create a new rule to a specific anime and just to that anime, that means it is polarized and Mushoku Tensei is one of these types of shows.

Nov 8, 7:38 PM

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ktg said:
I disagree. The most polarising shows are the ones with ethical questions in them, like Mushoku Tensei, Monogatari etc.

Here we can only see a downfall and there are people who keep praising it even though it is not as good as it started and those who recognized that. Generally these are the 2 sides that are clashing.
Obviously there are people who didn't like it from the beginning, but we are at S3, they most likely dropped the show already and don't care about it at all.

I've honestly not really seen much hate for Monogatari especially compared to mt for how Araragi can be a little sussy, might be due to Mono being a lot less influential in the west compared to the east

@literallyeurope It's more like they dropped out arond Nise and didn't continue it. Monogatari is more than a decade old, so most of these arguments were played out even before MT. MT is relatively new, so it is much more common to see people complaining about MT.

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@literallyeurope It's more like they dropped out arond Nise and didn't continue it. Monogatari is more than a decade old, so most of these arguments were played out even before MT. MT is relatively new, so it is much more common to see people complaining about MT.

@ktg makes sense, I didn't really start watching anime until like 2014

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ktg said:
@1000-MAT When you need to create a new rule to a specific anime and just to that anime, that means it is polarized and Mushoku Tensei is one of these types of shows.

what rule? no, it means there are a lot of trolls, like Okeanix, but it's not polarized, less than 0.5% of people gave the anime a rating of 1, while 27% gave it a 10 in the last season.

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@1000-MAT When you need to create a new rule to a specific anime and just to that anime, that means it is polarized and Mushoku Tensei is one of these types of shows.

what rule? no, it means there are a lot of trolls, like Okeanix, but it's not polarized, less than 0.5% of people gave the anime a rating of 1, while 27% gave it a 10 in the last season.

@1000-MAT
You know there is a world outside myanimelist? OFC Mushoku Tensei is polarizing and is not even the theme that he is pdf (which is also polarizing), it is that fans say he is not and try to defend everything he say and do. I haven't seen an anime more polarizing that mushoku tensei and I have seen A LOT of anime.

Nov 9, 11:16 AM

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It's a generic isekai packed with cliché tropes, masquerading as something far deeper just because it has gore/horror elements.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

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ktg said:
@1000-MAT When you need to create a new rule to a specific anime and just to that anime, that means it is polarized and Mushoku Tensei is one of these types of shows.

what rule? no, it means there are a lot of trolls, like Okeanix, but it's not polarized, less than 0.5% of people gave the anime a rating of 1, while 27% gave it a 10 in the last season.

Mushoku Tensei is the only anime where you can find a pinned thread about stating what types of thread will be instantly locked because of repetitiveness.
This new "rule" pretty much proves my point.

Also, polarization cannot be seen in ratings, but in the general attitude towards a show. And therefore MT is pretty polarising.

Nov 9, 10:25 PM

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Re Zero isn't polarizing, the people who hate the show are a minority, just a really loud minority, much like a lot of popular anime these days.

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Re Zero isn't polarizing, the people who hate the show are a minority, just a really loud minority, much like a lot of popular anime these days.

@Atls07
Case in Point
https://x.com/AniTrendz/status/1855618919597248624

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mawawile said:
Those who love it really love it, while those who hate it really hate it. Do you agree that Re:Zero is one of the most polarizing anime?

I may be biased as a big fan of the series, but I feel that this is especially true with Re:Zero. I think a big reason is the following. Re:Zero relies on many "givens" as you make your way through it. Given that Subaru was summoned by the witch, given that he for some reason has this ability that he can't speak about, given that the archbishops/cultists seem to follow this mysterious prophetic gospel before anything else, etc etc. It can feel convenient at times, but if we accept all of this, we get to engage with some pretty uniquely interesting plots.

In Subaru's journey that we follow, if you really enjoy the writing and emotional moments, your confidence in the author's agency as a writer grows. And the series is long. Massive fans believe that he will be able to brilliantly tie together all of these mysteries eventually. The author's credibility increases for these people when we get into some QnA, where he has said that the series is written with the ending planned and the rough ideas of each arc decided.

General spoilers on the state of the series from the LN reader perspective

I can imagine why so many people hate this series though. As soon as it loses them with what may be bad writing in their opinions, they likely see the rest of the mysteries and givens as bullshit or mediocre. And since the mysteries continue to stack more and more, the whole anime may seem like a mess to them. It also doesn't help that it can be massively confusing. Or they just simply don't enjoy it for other reasons.

Anyway, I am starting to think I just explained something basic. But what do you think?

me personally I really love most aspects of re zero, the overarching plot is really engaging and they portray return by death realistically and not just like some "Op CHeAt SkILL!!!"

but imo the thing that makes re zero not amazing is the character writing, at least for Emilia and (sometimes) subaru. idk what it is but Emilia just doesn't feel real 💀 like it feels like her only goal is to be queen? idk if it gets better in the ln (which I've just started reading) but she just feels like an empty shell with no real personality. and then subaru sometimes just comes off as a unusual guy as well like I get he was a shut in but some of the things he does are just so stupid it's insane 😭

Nov 11, 8:07 AM

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mawawile said:
Those who love it really love it, while those who hate it really hate it. Do you agree that Re:Zero is one of the most polarizing anime?

I may be biased as a big fan of the series, but I feel that this is especially true with Re:Zero. I think a big reason is the following. Re:Zero relies on many "givens" as you make your way through it. Given that Subaru was summoned by the witch, given that he for some reason has this ability that he can't speak about, given that the archbishops/cultists seem to follow this mysterious prophetic gospel before anything else, etc etc. It can feel convenient at times, but if we accept all of this, we get to engage with some pretty uniquely interesting plots.

In Subaru's journey that we follow, if you really enjoy the writing and emotional moments, your confidence in the author's agency as a writer grows. And the series is long. Massive fans believe that he will be able to brilliantly tie together all of these mysteries eventually. The author's credibility increases for these people when we get into some QnA, where he has said that the series is written with the ending planned and the rough ideas of each arc decided.

General spoilers on the state of the series from the LN reader perspective

I can imagine why so many people hate this series though. As soon as it loses them with what may be bad writing in their opinions, they likely see the rest of the mysteries and givens as bullshit or mediocre. And since the mysteries continue to stack more and more, the whole anime may seem like a mess to them. It also doesn't help that it can be massively confusing. Or they just simply don't enjoy it for other reasons.

Anyway, I am starting to think I just explained something basic. But what do you think?

I agree with Re:Zero from a narrative perspective relying on a lot of plot convenience. However what I will say is I think most of it comes from false expectations, your expectations of a series you go into will always impact your viewing enjoyment either positively or negatively. For Re:Zero because it is an Isekai a lot of viewers already throw it in the pile with the rest of the trashy Isekai and this can be negative both ways. If you enjoy trashy Isekai where the MC gets OP powers beats up all the bullies, and gets a harem, you will be really disapointed when you end up with a character driven story about introspection and self worth. Now if you hate trashy Isekai as you watch you may have assumed that Re;Zero has nothing of substance so you don't even look for it since you've already thrown it in the trashy Isekai pool before even watching.

I think the moment that MOST indicates this, is the stretch from episode 11-13 where He doesn't listen to Emilia, makes a mockery of himself then gets his ass beat by Julius just for Emilia to tear into him instead of comforting him.

In this section of arc 3 the series essentially does everything a male power fantasy would not do. Hummiliates the MC, showcases his powerlessness and then reprimands him for his actions and holds him accountable.

Nov 11, 9:21 AM

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@theSpartanGuy haha I can understand what you mean but personally I love the characters. Emilia is better than you think and she is pretty misunderstood I would say. She was basically made around the idea of being a nice girl whom every single person holds prejudice. So she is insanely selfless on a personal level but her main goal is the queen stuff. I thought it was funny in like the mansion arc when she deflects all of Subaru’s flirting. But I am glad it slowly goes in the romance direction. Oh and episode 13 where Emilia tries to cut ties with Subaru. When I realized that she basically did it for his sake it made me appreciate her character a lot. Subaru keeps growing as a protagonist though which is nice. If you mean his personality, you have to learn to love Subaru for those traits tbh lol

Nov 11, 9:27 AM

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