The Hype is Unjustified

ElementZeroOne said:
You gave MHA season 5 a 7/10. You clearly can’t tell what’s good or trash when it’s right in front of your face.

Chewbaccaccino said:
Pretty much the title. I like the music and animation, but that’s kind of it. It feels like the show is aimed towards a younger audience, perhaps one that wants to feel more mature than they are. I’ve seen about 13 or 14 episodes, and while the plot was getting a little more exciting, it kind of just reverted to being about uninteresting things. The characters are rather dull in my opinion, with Frieren being a bit ungrateful or edgy (kind of emo teenager vibe to a degree). Fern is kind of immature as well with her disdain towards Stark. Stark is also uninteresting. So uninteresting in fact I don’t actually have anything to say about him. The power system is not unique, since it deals with a generic concept called “mana” and ends up feeling like a watered down nen. The story is kind of generic too (or at least has generic concepts)- it has the common demon king villain and fantasy setting with magic (specifically wizard/mage type), dragons, demons, etc. The concept of different lifespans is not too special as someone who has seen Maquia. Overall, everything I have seen in this show I feel has been done better by others. I’ll put a list at the end. Checking social media I was weirdly repulsed by someone comparing this to Vagabond and Berserk. I shouldn’t have been because it’s just someone online though:P. People who say you have Shonen brainrot for not liking it or aren’t mature enough are likely projecting and haven’t actually consumed a meaningful book, movie, or show.

Series with better execution of the things Frieren is praised for (and regarded as the best anime of all time for)

Down to earth meaningful stuff: Vagabond, Real, Red Dead Redemption 2

Slow pacing and/or little action: Real, Vagabond, RDR2, Better Call Saul, Monster, Vinland Saga (post prologue), Steins;Gate, Breaking Bad, Sherlock (BBC), etc.

Power system: Jojo’s, HxH, FMA

Fantasy setting: Lord of the Rings, any fromsoft title, Zelda

Chewbaccaccino said:
@36sweaters Sometimes I’m in the mood to vent online. If people are offended, sucks to be them lol since I didn’t say anything offensive. While it doesn’t diminish your experience or even the value of the show, I do think that liking the show a lot (thinking it’s #1) displays inexperience in animanga or entertainment in general, but it’s not like that really matters in the real world. So I’m just doing what I feel like atm and being happy with the little things like my posts and comments! :)

mobxmentality said:
threads like these just show why trying to argue objectively about something that is meant to be enjoyed subjectively (like every other kind of media) doesnt make sense
sure you can point out what you think is objectively wrong with said anime but most people dont really care cause they enjoyed it that much despite its objective "flaws" (and they also shouldnt care)
OP thinks it shouldnt be #1, thats fine, many more people do obviously and thats also fine

Neterosan said:
Red dead Redemption 2 is so clunky and holds your hand for every task. Even riding the horse around was an unpleasant experience and it takes up about 1/3 of playing time.

36sweaters said:

You said everything I'm trying to say in like 1/4 of the character haha

Chewbaccaccino said:
@Miyukikurogane honestly I don’t actually disagree with your take. It’s just that Frieren, while of decent and acceptable quality, is not a #1 anime (or even top 50) like social media will try to say it is. I don’t get why it has met an overwhelming hype instead of mild or moderate. I don’t think slow pacing is necessarily a risk since many popular shows are slow paced, but maybe it is for anime when it really shouldn’t.

Chewbaccaccino said:
@IhnalakoKaina what a weird comment. I’m making comparisons for the purpose of proving that there are shows or media that do what frieren does better, and I did in fact offer critique of the show for 80-90% of what I mentioned. I think you’re projecting random things as my motives. It was merely to mention things that satisfied me more than Frieren. Shit, Tomo Chan and Erased were more fun to watch than Frieren, but I don’t think they necessarily did those things better.

Chewbaccaccino said:
Pretty much the title. I like the music and animation, but that’s kind of it. It feels like the show is aimed towards a younger audience, perhaps one that wants to feel more mature than they are. I’ve seen about 13 or 14 episodes, and while the plot was getting a little more exciting, it kind of just reverted to being about uninteresting things. The characters are rather dull in my opinion, with Frieren being a bit ungrateful or edgy (kind of emo teenager vibe to a degree). Fern is kind of immature as well with her disdain towards Stark. Stark is also uninteresting. So uninteresting in fact I don’t actually have anything to say about him. The power system is not unique, since it deals with a generic concept called “mana” and ends up feeling like a watered down nen. The story is kind of generic too (or at least has generic concepts)- it has the common demon king villain and fantasy setting with magic (specifically wizard/mage type), dragons, demons, etc. The concept of different lifespans is not too special as someone who has seen Maquia. Overall, everything I have seen in this show I feel has been done better by others. I’ll put a list at the end. Checking social media I was weirdly repulsed by someone comparing this to Vagabond and Berserk. I shouldn’t have been because it’s just someone online though:P. People who say you have Shonen brainrot for not liking it or aren’t mature enough are likely projecting and haven’t actually consumed a meaningful book, movie, or show.

Series with better execution of the things Frieren is praised for (and regarded as the best anime of all time for)

Down to earth meaningful stuff: Vagabond, Real, Red Dead Redemption 2

Slow pacing and/or little action: Real, Vagabond, RDR2, Better Call Saul, Monster, Vinland Saga (post prologue), Steins;Gate, Breaking Bad, Sherlock (BBC), etc.

Power system: Jojo’s, HxH, FMA

Fantasy setting: Lord of the Rings, any fromsoft title, Zelda

IhnalakoKaina said:

You took a shallow look at a show and therefore you think it's shallow. There's no way that you can say in good faith that tomo chan was more entertaining than frieren. You can't articulate why frieren is nothing special by any means other than "frieren is edgy, fern is boring, stark is boring, I've seen fantasy, demon lord, magic, and so on elsewhere".

The show is just about them walking around and going to where the demon lord's castle is? That's what you seem to have gotten out of it.

Your critique is not about an aspect of the show that you dislike but that other people might find acceptable or even good, but instead based on what you weren't able to notice and claim to not even exist, while the rest of us were.

I don't like Mushoku tensei, I find it too gross and depraved. I don't like Berserk, because gore is not my thing. But neither of those statements deny the reason other people like those shows in spite of the things I observed and indicated or even because of them, i.e. people who like depraved shit or gore. I don't see the same with your critique, as if you knew or were aware of something that the overwhelming majority of people aren't. What's weird about this?

Cyrose said:
Write a review, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately Frieren although its medicore now it became the acceptable standard and best fiction. Since anime became popular to even viewers that doesn’t even know what real anime was.

Ollie_Hearton said:
I think the reason people like Frieren is because it's a sincere fantasy story that's determined to be a fantasy story without the irony or self parody of other modern fantasy shows/most Isekai.

IhnalakoKaina said:
You seem like the type of guy who thinks 86 is just an action mecha anime about racism.

Shit like this makes me think I'm going insane, as in "am I actually reading too much into this show? am I crazy for thinking that there was some thought provoking stuff tuckered here and there? was the show actually mediocre and not as aesthetically and artistically made as I remember?" but in fact, the answer to all of those questions is no.

Also, I love it when people shit on a show and hide behind the cover of "well I can't be wrong because I actually liked this other show that's recognized as good by a lot of people, so that means that whatever I feel about this one must be right". If you can't substantiate a criticism about a show with your own words without invoking other shows, I think it is safe to assume you're wrong.

Menternor said:
That's a whole lot of words just to say, "I think other shows did different aspects of Frieren better, therefore Frieren not #1".

No piece of media is ever going to live up to the hype of being number 1 for everybody and that's fine...

But hey, an anime that's so antimeta in terms of modern audience's popular trends and forms of consuming media, somehow managing to stay at #1 this long should mean that's it's done something very right.

Menternor said:
That's a whole lot of words just to say, "I think other shows did different aspects of Frieren better, therefore Frieren not #1".

No piece of media is ever going to live up to the hype of being number 1 for everybody and that's fine...

But hey, an anime that's so antimeta in terms of modern audience's popular trends and forms of consuming media, somehow managing to stay at #1 this long should mean that's it's done something very right.

Cyrose said:
Write a review, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately Frieren although its medicore now it became the acceptable standard and best fiction. Since anime became popular to even viewers that doesn’t even know what real anime was.