Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? (light novel)
| To put it simply the Syr=Freya. The Syr that we have been seeing from the start and the one who has been interacting with Bell was Freya. She chose to roam free disguising as Syr. Freya took Syr's name from her and gave her one of her name in return. The OG Syr became Horn and Freya's attendant and has been living as Horn. She has nothing to do with the Syr we or Bell know. Don't confuse/mix them. Freya is the one who loves Bell, who thinks Ryuu and the neko gang as her precious friends and works as a waitress. |
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So at end of the first episode we saw Freya and Syr together at the scene then Syr asked to Freya for a deal, if at that scene Syr was ogFreya and Freya was ogSyr(Horn) why Syr(ogFreya) asked for permission to horn and bowed. If at that scene it was Horn(Syr Looking) who asked for permisson to Freya what was that deal about? Was it about trying to get Bell's heart? Freya agreed that deal why freya members tried to kill Horn did she do penalty after deal or something like that.
Please help i do not get first episode last scene
Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya
Please help i do not get first episode last scene
Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya
KurtveKuzu said: That was Horn dressed up as Syr (same as in the latest episode where she tried to kill Bell disguised as Syr/Freya) when Horn made a bet with Freya/Syr. As for why keep watching the anime.So at end of the first episode we saw Freya and Syr together at the scene then Syr asked to Freya for a deal, if at that scene Syr was ogFreya and Freya was ogSyr(Horn) why Syr(ogFreya) asked for permission to horn and bowed. If at that scene it was Horn(Syr Looking) who asked for permisson to Freya what was that deal about? Was it about trying to get Bell's heart? Freya agreed that deal why freya members tried to kill Horn did she do penalty after deal or something like that. Please help i do not get first episode last scene Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya |
MavuikaOct 24, 2024 1:03 PM
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KurtveKuzu said:
So at end of the first episode we saw Freya and Syr together at the scene then Syr asked to Freya for a deal, if at that scene Syr was ogFreya and Freya was ogSyr(Horn) why Syr(ogFreya) asked for permission to horn and bowed. If at that scene it was Horn(Syr Looking) who asked for permisson to Freya what was that deal about? Was it about trying to get Bell's heart? Freya agreed that deal why freya members tried to kill Horn did she do penalty after deal or something like that.
Please help i do not get first episode last scene
Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya
So at end of the first episode we saw Freya and Syr together at the scene then Syr asked to Freya for a deal, if at that scene Syr was ogFreya and Freya was ogSyr(Horn) why Syr(ogFreya) asked for permission to horn and bowed. If at that scene it was Horn(Syr Looking) who asked for permisson to Freya what was that deal about? Was it about trying to get Bell's heart? Freya agreed that deal why freya members tried to kill Horn did she do penalty after deal or something like that.
Please help i do not get first episode last scene
Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya
It May be seen as symbolic, Syr bow to Freya, like two personalities, and for horn, i dont know, maybe horn Just changed and forgot about Syr so She isnt important.
SuntProstMare said: Sorry what are you even talking about?Ot May be seen as symbolic, Syr bow to Freya, like two personalities, and for horn, i dont know, maybe horn Just changed and forgot about Syr so She isnt important. |
| Me too, like many others, thought Syr was in reality Freya since season 1, since Syr gave the book of Firebolt to Bell and was hinted very clearly that Freya was trying to help Bell become stronger (with that spell and the Minotaur training), but obviously I wasn't sure 100% because sometime there were confusing scenes in the previous seasons where there was a possibility that Syr was simply a member of the Freya Familia... now we know the truth, we could say that both the 2 options were true in some way... the original Syr (Horn) is in fact a member of the Freya Familia, but the Syr we know is Freya. It would be interesting to know by some LN reader if sometimes in the previous seasons Horn appeared as Syr. |
| simply: - Syr we saw all along was Freya. - Original Syr became Horn giving out her name to Freya. |
| ヘルソン |
| Syr never existed it was just Freya's made-up split personality when she was using Horn's looks. Freya being a goddess (especially a major one) is not allowed to have a romance with a human and using Horn's look and she was free to roam around and mess around with Bell. Horn took Freya's look and was staying inside pretending to be the goddess. In the end, Horn got sick and tired of being used and She tried to break the contract with the goddess by stealing what the goddess wanted the most - Bell's love and that's why the goddess sent her gang to kill Horn. |
| Pretty sure the Syr we have seen throughout the four seasons was actually Freya in disguise all along and Syr we have seen this season negotiating with Freya was actually Horn in disguise. The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode. Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along. |
PiromyslOct 24, 2024 4:00 PM
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here the Explanation;) |
Reply to mat619
To put in easier explanation
1. Freya pretend to be Syr as form of roleplay for her own amusement
2. When Freya became Syr, Horn will take Freya as her stand in place attending business etc and vice versa. when Freya became herself Horn will become Syr. she given the same authority when she became Freya means all Freya familia member must obey Horn
3. When Horn transform to either Syr or Freya she will share memories and five sense with Freya. so they will know each other thoughts
4. All Syr we've seen in the previous episodes was all Freya. when Horn became Syr it happened offscreen. all Freya that appeared on screen in previous season also all Freya and not Horn
5. However due to Horn share memories and senses with Freya she too comes to love Bell when she transformed while also hated Bell at the same time as herself. her feelings and Freya are mix together
6. Syr who bow down to Freya at the beginning of season is Horn. she wanted to confirm her feeling and thoughts about Bell
7. Both Horn and Freya agreed to have date with Bell. the first day date is Freya while Horn get do date Bell on 2nd day, however Horn have her own plan and try to kill Bell
8. How did Freya and her familia know about Syr you ask? it's because Horn share memory with Freya when she use her transformation so Freya immediately know what horn has been planning and order her familia member to stop Horn. in this case Horn is basically betray Freya
1. Freya pretend to be Syr as form of roleplay for her own amusement
2. When Freya became Syr, Horn will take Freya as her stand in place attending business etc and vice versa. when Freya became herself Horn will become Syr. she given the same authority when she became Freya means all Freya familia member must obey Horn
3. When Horn transform to either Syr or Freya she will share memories and five sense with Freya. so they will know each other thoughts
4. All Syr we've seen in the previous episodes was all Freya. when Horn became Syr it happened offscreen. all Freya that appeared on screen in previous season also all Freya and not Horn
5. However due to Horn share memories and senses with Freya she too comes to love Bell when she transformed while also hated Bell at the same time as herself. her feelings and Freya are mix together
6. Syr who bow down to Freya at the beginning of season is Horn. she wanted to confirm her feeling and thoughts about Bell
7. Both Horn and Freya agreed to have date with Bell. the first day date is Freya while Horn get do date Bell on 2nd day, however Horn have her own plan and try to kill Bell
8. How did Freya and her familia know about Syr you ask? it's because Horn share memory with Freya when she use her transformation so Freya immediately know what horn has been planning and order her familia member to stop Horn. in this case Horn is basically betray Freya
| @mat619 thanks for shearing this details |
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KurtveKuzu said:
So at end of the first episode we saw Freya and Syr together at the scene then Syr asked to Freya for a deal, if at that scene Syr was ogFreya and Freya was ogSyr(Horn) why Syr(ogFreya) asked for permission to horn and bowed. If at that scene it was Horn(Syr Looking) who asked for permisson to Freya what was that deal about? Was it about trying to get Bell's heart? Freya agreed that deal why freya members tried to kill Horn did she do penalty after deal or something like that.
Please help i do not get first episode last scene
Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya
That was Horn dressed up as Syr (same as in the latest episode where she tried to kill Bell disguised as Syr/Freya) when Horn made a bet with Freya/Syr. As for why keep watching the anime.So at end of the first episode we saw Freya and Syr together at the scene then Syr asked to Freya for a deal, if at that scene Syr was ogFreya and Freya was ogSyr(Horn) why Syr(ogFreya) asked for permission to horn and bowed. If at that scene it was Horn(Syr Looking) who asked for permisson to Freya what was that deal about? Was it about trying to get Bell's heart? Freya agreed that deal why freya members tried to kill Horn did she do penalty after deal or something like that.
Please help i do not get first episode last scene
Btw I knew that Freya and Syr were same people until first episode's last scene i was shocked that i thought i was wrong for whole 4 seasons but it seems am still right there wast just + person who looks like syrfreya
| @Mavuika thx for the explanation |
"Deceive yourself in every last detail... Deceive the world. Do this, and victory is assured. Best of luck to you, old friend. El... Psy... Congroo." -- Hououin Kyouma  |
| Thank you so much for the explanation |
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Reply to Piromysl
Pretty sure the Syr we have seen throughout the four seasons was actually Freya in disguise all along and Syr we have seen this season negotiating with Freya was actually Horn in disguise.
The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode.
Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along.
The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode.
Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along.
Pieromysl said: It's confirmed in the episode itself that Freya was disguising herself as Syr. Syr was the little girl who swapped names with Freya. Freya took her name and gave her one of hers. Since then Freya has been roaming free disguising as Syr whenever she wanted to. Which is the Syr we've seen from the begining.Pretty sure the Syr we have seen throughout the four seasons was actually Freya in disguise all along and Syr we have seen this season negotiating with Freya was actually Horn in disguise. The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode. Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along. |
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Syr never existed it was just Freya's made-up split personality when she was using Horn's looks.
Freya being a goddess (especially a major one) is not allowed to have a romance with a human and using Horn's look and she was free to roam around and mess around with Bell.
Horn took Freya's look and was staying inside pretending to be the goddess. In the end, Horn got sick and tired of being used and She tried to break the contract with the goddess by stealing what the goddess wanted the most - Bell's love and that's why the goddess sent her gang to kill Horn.
Freya being a goddess (especially a major one) is not allowed to have a romance with a human and using Horn's look and she was free to roam around and mess around with Bell.
Horn took Freya's look and was staying inside pretending to be the goddess. In the end, Horn got sick and tired of being used and She tried to break the contract with the goddess by stealing what the goddess wanted the most - Bell's love and that's why the goddess sent her gang to kill Horn.
cerverg said: No, Syr exists. Horn's original name was Syr which she swapped with Freya.Syr never existed it was just Freya's made-up split personality when she was using Horn's looks. Freya being a goddess (especially a major one) is not allowed to have a romance with a human and using Horn's look and she was free to roam around and mess around with Bell. Horn took Freya's look and was staying inside pretending to be the goddess. In the end, Horn got sick and tired of being used and She tried to break the contract with the goddess by stealing what the goddess wanted the most - Bell's love and that's why the goddess sent her gang to kill Horn. |
MavuikaOct 25, 2024 9:38 PM
Reply to nhkam
I thought I had it figured out on my own but after reading all these comments, I’m sticking with mine. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the theories in this thread.
| @nhkam No theories what I said has been confirmed. Very simple Syr we saw so far from season 1 was Freya in disguise. |
| As Freya said, "Syr" is dead. The original Syr agreed to give up her name as a child to Freya and was given the new name Horn. Freya then took the name Syr and kept it as an alias. Asides from this Season, every time we've ever seen "Syr" on screen, it's been Freya. During the date when all the guards were on patrol, "Syr" was Freya. When they saw "Freya" on her pedestal at the ceremony the real Freya was with Bell as "Syr", and the "Freya" on the pedestal was Horn, hence the glare at Bell. The "Syr" that stayed the night with Bell was Freya. She even attempted to force him into loving her, hence her eyes glowing. The real Freya was never attacked by her family at any point. Only Horn was. |
KrowGraveOct 25, 2024 10:36 PM
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| Pretty cool, difficult to understand right away or as you're watching, but take a bit of time to reflect on it and it's quite a nice, little development. |
Mavuika said: Pieromysl said: It's confirmed in the episode itself that Freya was disguising herself as Syr. Syr was the little girl who swapped names with Freya. Freya took her name and gave her one of hers. Since then Freya has been roaming free disguising as Syr whenever she wanted to. Which is the Syr we've seen from the begining.Pretty sure the Syr we have seen throughout the four seasons was actually Freya in disguise all along and Syr we have seen this season negotiating with Freya was actually Horn in disguise. The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode. Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along. You basically copypasted what I've wrote. |
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Mavuika said:
Pieromysl said:
Pretty sure the Syr we have seen throughout the four seasons was actually Freya in disguise all along and Syr we have seen this season negotiating with Freya was actually Horn in disguise.
The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode.
Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along.
It's confirmed in the episode itself that Freya was disguising herself as Syr. Syr was the little girl who swapped names with Freya. Freya took her name and gave her one of hers. Since then Freya has been roaming free disguising as Syr whenever she wanted to. Which is the Syr we've seen from the begining.Pretty sure the Syr we have seen throughout the four seasons was actually Freya in disguise all along and Syr we have seen this season negotiating with Freya was actually Horn in disguise.
The little girl we have seen in flashback is actually Horn, who used to be known as Syr, but she abandoned that name and the name Syr is used only for Freya disguise. At the end of latest episode Freya proclaimed that "Syr is dead", which means she will no longer use this disguise and will go full yandere mode.
Now waiting for someone to make a compilation of foreshadowing implying that Syr was Freya all along.
You basically copypasted what I've wrote.
Pieromysl said: Talking about yourself lol?You basically copypasted what I've wrote. This was my initial explanation when I made the thread. Mavuika said: To put it simply the Syr=Freya. The Syr that we have been seeing from the start and the one who has been interacting with Bell was Freya. She chose to roam free disguising as Syr. Freya took Syr's name from her and gave her one of her name in return. The OG Syr became Horn and Freya's attendant and has been living as Horn. She has nothing to do with the Syr we or Bell know. Don't confuse/mix them. Freya is the one who loves Bell, who thinks Ryuu and the neko gang as her precious friends and works as a waitress. Also I quoted you to say that what you were saying is confirmed in the episode itself. |
MavuikaOct 26, 2024 6:15 AM
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Pieromysl said:
You basically copypasted what I've wrote.
Talking about yourself lol?You basically copypasted what I've wrote.
This was my initial explanation when I made the thread.
Mavuika said:
To put it simply the Syr=Freya. The Syr that we have been seeing from the start and the one who has been interacting with Bell was Freya. She chose to roam free disguising as Syr. Freya took Syr's name from her and gave her one of her name in return. The OG Syr became Horn and Freya's attendant and has been living as Horn. She has nothing to do with the Syr we or Bell know. Don't confuse/mix them. Freya is the one who loves Bell, who thinks Ryuu and the neko gang as her precious friends and works as a waitress.
To put it simply the Syr=Freya. The Syr that we have been seeing from the start and the one who has been interacting with Bell was Freya. She chose to roam free disguising as Syr. Freya took Syr's name from her and gave her one of her name in return. The OG Syr became Horn and Freya's attendant and has been living as Horn. She has nothing to do with the Syr we or Bell know. Don't confuse/mix them. Freya is the one who loves Bell, who thinks Ryuu and the neko gang as her precious friends and works as a waitress.
Also I quoted you to say that what you were saying is confirmed in the episode itself.
Mavuika said: Talking about yourself lol? No need to get passive aggressive lol Reading what you are responding to would actually help. |
PiromyslOct 26, 2024 9:02 AM
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| Tbh the inclusion of Horn makes this such a clusterfuck. Unless the scene between Syr and Freya in that throne room gets explained, which it apparently will, it makes no sense so far. Because the Syr = Freya thing would've been really obvious if it wasn't for that scene, but now the explanation is that Freya has a Doppelganger we haven't seen so far and whose only role was basically to confuse the viewer. |
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Mavuika said:
Talking about yourself lol?
Talking about yourself lol?
No need to get passive aggressive lol
Reading what you are responding to would actually help.
| @Pieromysl Maybe take that advice for yourself lol and reading the thread your posting to would actually help. Also telling me to not get passive aggressive while copying my post and then telling I was the one who copied it lol, sheesh. Anyway I didn't start this thread to argue with people, have a nice day. |
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@Pieromysl Maybe take that advice for yourself lol and reading the thread your posting to would actually help. Also telling me to not get passive aggressive while copying my post and then telling I was the one who copied it lol, sheesh. Anyway I didn't start this thread to argue with people, have a nice day.
| @Mavuika Yes, I am telling you to read what you are about to reply to before you embarrass yourself on the internet, especially since you tried to double down by assuming that anyone would copy your post, which is just sad. Have a nice day. |
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Tbh the inclusion of Horn makes this such a clusterfuck. Unless the scene between Syr and Freya in that throne room gets explained, which it apparently will, it makes no sense so far.
Because the Syr = Freya thing would've been really obvious if it wasn't for that scene, but now the explanation is that Freya has a Doppelganger we haven't seen so far and whose only role was basically to confuse the viewer.
Because the Syr = Freya thing would've been really obvious if it wasn't for that scene, but now the explanation is that Freya has a Doppelganger we haven't seen so far and whose only role was basically to confuse the viewer.
| @Gator Same here. I thought too that Syr was Freya, even more so when she talks about her divine nature. That is, until the very end of episode 1. Great way to confuse people and lead them the wrong way after having guessed right. In this scene, I understand that was Horn asking Freya, but the whole scene still makes no sense with our current understanding, even after rewatching it. Everything else makes sense. I guess we'll learn more about it in the later episodes. |
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