Idk why but I can’t get into this

Is this a unifying thread for people with a goldfish-like attention span? There’s always Dragonball or one piece, it’s fine.
By the way, I had KFC 3 times this week and I’m getting tired of the coating. Can anyone tell me if I should buy more tomorrow or get McDonald’s? Seems just as relevant somehow…

Flavour of the year actually. Voted by a huge majority. But if your edgy persona has to go against the flow to feel superior that’s fine! The vast ranks of us who voted it 10 here did it because it’s exceptional, not to ‘rig the results’ as the haters try to insist. And BTW why address your comment to me in a long dead thread anyway???

It would be nice and interesting to see your opinion followed up on and this revisited now that the series has concluded airing a few months ago. Whether or not you finished the series and if your opinion changed in the end, and if so, how, is of particular interest.

Those are your opinions not facts. You are welcome to them, but I don’t have to agree. Frieren was flawless in art, music and storytelling. I enjoyed most of your given examples, but don’t agree they were better. Nearest competitor would be Monogatari for me, but a lot of sensitive types downvote it as is their right. Just accept that vote systems are subjective and your personal opinion is just that, not the ultimate truth.
Oh, and voting FMA 1 just for the heck of it? Not edgy? Really……..

@FutoiOtaku Not surprised that a Monogatari fan would think that this mid anime is "flawless in art, music and storytelling" lol. The only decent show you like is Lucky Star.

@SmugMiri Talking about mid while having Mirai Nikki and the new terrible Higurashi Gou & Sotsu at a 10/10

Those are your opinions not facts. You are welcome to them, but I don’t have to agree. Frieren was flawless in art, music and storytelling. I enjoyed most of your given examples, but don’t agree they were better. Nearest competitor would be Monogatari for me, but a lot of sensitive types downvote it as is their right. Just accept that vote systems are subjective and your personal opinion is just that, not the ultimate truth.
Oh, and voting FMA 1 just for the heck of it? Not edgy? Really……..

Sorry to hear that someone who doesn’t like anime is wasting time trolling in an anime forum. Hope you find something you enjoy one day when you grow up.

@FutoiOtaku i didnt pay that much attention to the dates but you're wrong the anime is going to drop just like oshi no ko did. i dont know why you think its edgy to not like something and i am not prioritizing being a black sheep, i love steins gate, monster, hunterxhunter, gintama, etc they;re all hyped up pretty hard. even like fullmetal alchemist quite a bit, but rated it 1 just for the heck of it. but no way is frieren as good as people want to say it is. good shows don't have bland introductions.

@henmwats Sorry that the best arcs of Higurashi are too complex for you.

not sure how not liking monogatari and fireren is not liking anime

this makes it sound like you're defending the cp portions in monogatari, and you say im the edgy one :/

@Chewbaccaccino Y'all were saying this for months. Oshi No Ko didn't even last a week as #1 on MAL. This has been #1 for well over 7 months now and it has only dropped 0.3 of its rating since the end of its first season.

@Chewbaccaccino CP portions? Do you actually understand what CP is?

didnt say it would drop severely, but it's going to drop down to the 8s with time i reckon. the manga itself is not rated that highly. it's already gone down from berserk (9.4+) to 9.36. I dont think ratings really matter though as you'll observe code geass and attack on titan being rated higher than monster and vinland saga 2.

@Chewbaccaccino Yea...that clearly ain't happening fella. Even if it drops .1 of a rating every month, it would take another 3+ years just to drop out of the 9s and it's not going down at that rate. And idk what you were trying to prove about ratings by saying AoT and Code Geass are rated higher than Monster and Vinland Saga season 2. There's nothing wrong or even remotely controversial about that.

yes and with monogatari it has portions that are entering similar territory. cope all you want but this show is extremely questionable

they have inferior writing and story telling, i have watched both and AOT is really the only competitor to those. the ending was bad but i understand the ending is not whats rated higher. code geass has a lot of flaws, i saw it and while i liked it a lot i dont think it deserves the place it's at.

@Chewbaccaccino Buddy, fictional content can never be CP no matter how you try to spin it. CP is something that harms actual children living in the real world. Controversial scenes with fictional drawings cannot and are not compared to CP by sane people with common sense. By comparing it to CP, you are actually trivializing how serious of a crime CP is. Keep in mind: I haven't even watched Monogatari and certainly am not a fan of it.

if we're working with actual definitions, it fits. i suggest not supporting pedophilia enabling media because that's gonna hurt real children too.

why is this cope so common? who's going to disagree with me on code geass who have *actually* watched monster & Vinland Saga?

@Chewbaccaccino

No, it doesn't.


Same logic as those who tried to link violent video games to violent crimes. People don't become pedophiles simply by watching a fictional work pal.



At this point you're just waffling

so we're going to say that animated porn is no longer pornography? how is sexual imagery of children not porn??? here, we'll call it ANIMATED child porn. Does that make you feel better?

those who are inclined are going to be enabled...

if you actually put 5 minutes of research effort into this, you'll feel like a clown. just search "monster vs code geass" in google. can you stop yapping now?

Child porn is erotic material that depicts persons under the age of 18 (referring to REAL children). You're a little dense, so let me explain to you why "animated child porn" as you put it is NOT the same thing whatsoever. Firstly, we are talking about fictional characters here. I'm not sure if you know this, but pretty much anything goes in fiction and there's almost nothing that can be drawn or written in fiction that is genuinely illegal. Why is that? Because things that happen in fiction have ZERO (0) affect on the real world. With actual CP, a real child was abused. In fictional porn nobody is being abused or harmed. Secondly, there are various depictions of crimes happening to minors in fiction that people like you conveniently don't care about. In the same Vinland Saga and AoT you like so much, children are used as child soldiers and subjected to horrendous acts of violence and sometimes even murder. I don't see you complaining about depictions of enabling child labor and child abuse regarding that. Hmm...I wonder why? Could it be...because they aren't actual children? 😱


Has it ever occurred to you that the fact they were inclined was the problem in the first place? A dude was inclined to shoot up his school because he was bullied and he played CoD and decided to go through with it...I guess we can just blame it on CoD!

Do you see how stupid that sounds?



Fine, I'll bite. I just googled that and all I could find was random threads doing loose comparisons or people asking which they should watch first. That does not prove ANYTHING you were saying whatsoever.

The only evidence of people believing which is better (who have watched both) leans towards Monster. Cry about it.
Why does this need to be explained to you? People don’t have mental tendencies to use children for war. People have sexual tendencies and pedophilia is common enough for fictional cp to be an issue.

So it’s okay to feed pedophilic emotions now? Just because it’s a fictional child doesn’t mean it’s no longer depicting a child. It’s the same thing but animated. I don’t care if nobody’s being hurt it does not make it okay. Have fun going to jail for possession of loli porn I guess, I’m sure your parents are really proud of you…

Lmao whatever you say pal.



Are you being serious? Do you genuinely believe that people wouldn't want to use children for war and labour? It has happened before and is definitely happening now. Bad people have attempted and sometimes succeeded in exploiting children throughout human history. Today is no different. I suggest you do some research before embarrassing yourself again.

CP definitely IS an issue, but whatever happens to fictional characters with arbitrary ages in a fictional setting is and always will be a non-issue. You can find it weird or gross of course. I know I certainly do, hence why I mostly avoid that content. That being said I'm not going to trivialize children being sexually abused by comparing it to actual CP.



Again, you are using the same stupid logic karens used to try to get violent video games banned. Let me spell this out for you again. If someone already had an inclination to sexually abuse children, that is the problem in itself. If a person has an inclination to shoot up a school, that is the problem in itself. You cannot blame fictional content and video games for people committing these horrible crimes, because the vast majority of normal people can watch this content without wanting to replicate it in real life. This is basic common sense. "Just because it's a fictional child doesn't mean it's no longer depicting a child"...but there isn't a child? It's a drawing, or in the video game's case, a program. People run over people for fun in GTA and kill prostitutes for fun in that game. Do you think they want to replicate it in real life? It's genuinely insane to me how people like you actually try to advocate for the rights of fictional characters.

"I don't care if nobody's being hurt it does not make it okay"...so keep this same energy for shows that glorify murder, child labour and child exploitation in wars, cheating, theft, blackmail, extortion, kidnapping and every other crime under the sun. I want to see you keep that same energy for some of your favourites that glorifies these objectively terrible things. But we both know you won't do that because you're a hypocrite lmao



1. I don't own, or watch loli porn.
2. Even if I did, you do realize that in 95% of places in the world that this isn't a crime right? The FBI in the US have quite literally asked people to stop reporting people consuming or owning "fictional CP" as you put it, because it just wastes their time and resources on things that aren't even illegal because these people actually understand that these are non issues.

But nice try 👍🏾

listen i dont think there is convincing people who have the different intuitions. if you want to defend pedophilia and feeding emotions, go ahead. ask yourself the question of whether watching pornography makes you want to have sex more or less? pornography is only for people who *HAVE* sexual inclinations. straight men won't regularly watch gay pornography the vast majority of the time (gay, not lesbian). therefore, loli pornography and everything related is for PEDOPHILES. Virtually only pedophiles are going to like watching it.

What's important is that when the ONLY people using a product are people with those issues (it would be like if the only consumers of alcohol were alcoholics), the product becomes something to enable, and not cure their issue. the vast majority of the time (in fact i never heard of an opposite case), alcoholics DON'T get better by consuming more alcohol. it seems you can't help but reference violent video games which are simply not the same. they are created for everyone. but do you think the average joe is going to enjoy a game that includes no story, no gameplay other than killing people in brutally graphic ways? is that healthy? to clarify i'm not saying video games are the same as loli porn because it's not aimed only towards psychopaths. i'm just saying that your argument is not that great and i think there is a lot of motivated reasoning/rationalizing because people enjoy entertainment with violence.

Loli hentai is going to make you want the real thing more. It's just not the same. Get a doll, that's not going to be the same. It's the same with porn. Not many people who consume it would rather only consume it over real sex forever. Here is a quote from an online forum:

I literally just did a huge research paper on a related issue and touched on lolicon as well. It's often not actually a "harmless outlet" nor does it remain that way, and I have a myriad of actual sources to back up this claim.

Here are just a few things to scratch the surface (credit to mokatcinno):

Many artists have referenced or traced over actual, real life children for lolicon.

A large percentage of pedophiles have attributed their transition from non-contact to contact offending to CP (including lolicon) fueling their urges.

Additionally, a large percentage of incarcerated contact-offending pedophiles have said that viewing CP (in any form) did absolutely nothing to prevent their crimes. They claim it was not a good substitute.

Many pedophiles on forums dedicated to non-offending agree that viewing CP and lolicon is actually not a healthy coping mechanism.

The continued argument for it being okay to view lolicon fuels the argument that it's okay to create, distribute, and view AI-generated CP which unequivocally, seriously harms and uses the likeness of real children.

If you take anything away from this, take away this other extremely important finding: "internet pornography in general, with top categories consistently being 'teen' has been contributing to the crystallisation of pedophilic interest in people with no prior explicit sexual interest to children."

You touch on this as well, but please understand that the devolving argument as to what "counts" as a child is not at all an accident. It's a symptom of the continued and persistent sexualization of minors. There was actually a study that observed Redditor views on lolicon and it found a common theme: "another tendency was to distinguish between younger and older children in relation to CSAM...meant to signify that teenagers are not children and that the idea of sexual depictions of teenagers are not much different from adult women."

This ideology is extremely dangerous in a society where the sexual use and abuse of women is commonplace. The image of girls in erotic media, AI-generated CP, and furthermore lolicon does not exist in a vacuum.

A passage I wrote: "On a cultural level, when we sexualize the female child we gradually corrode the norms that define children as off-limits to sexual use. The more sexualized content featuring minors or minor-coded characters proliferates, the more we place girls into a box labeled ‘woman,’ and the more that behavior or viewership becomes accepted. This is evidenced by a wealth of mass media studies in which the hypothesis that people construct their ideas of reality via the media they consume, amongst other things, is supported. The more persistent and coherent the messaging is, the more likely they are to apply and internalize it."

if you want these sources, it's on mokatcinno's reddit page.

listen i dont think there is convincing people who have the different intuitions. if you want to defend pedophilia and feeding emotions, go ahead. ask yourself the question of whether watching pornography makes you want to have sex more or less? pornography is only for people who *HAVE* sexual inclinations. straight men won't regularly watch gay pornography the vast majority of the time (gay, not lesbian). therefore, loli pornography and everything related is for PEDOPHILES. Virtually only pedophiles are going to like watching it.

What's important is that when the ONLY people using a product are people with those issues (it would be like if the only consumers of alcohol were alcoholics), the product becomes something to enable, and not cure their issue. the vast majority of the time (in fact i never heard of an opposite case), alcoholics DON'T get better by consuming more alcohol. it seems you can't help but reference violent video games which are simply not the same. they are created for everyone. but do you think the average joe is going to enjoy a game that includes no story, no gameplay other than killing people in brutally graphic ways? is that healthy? to clarify i'm not saying video games are the same as loli porn because it's not aimed only towards psychopaths. i'm just saying that your argument is not that great and i think there is a lot of motivated reasoning/rationalizing because people enjoy entertainment with violence.

Loli hentai is going to make you want the real thing more. It's just not the same. Get a doll, that's not going to be the same. It's the same with porn. Not many people who consume it would rather only consume it over real sex forever. Here is a quote from an online forum:

I literally just did a huge research paper on a related issue and touched on lolicon as well. It's often not actually a "harmless outlet" nor does it remain that way, and I have a myriad of actual sources to back up this claim.

Here are just a few things to scratch the surface (credit to mokatcinno):

Many artists have referenced or traced over actual, real life children for lolicon.

A large percentage of pedophiles have attributed their transition from non-contact to contact offending to CP (including lolicon) fueling their urges.

Additionally, a large percentage of incarcerated contact-offending pedophiles have said that viewing CP (in any form) did absolutely nothing to prevent their crimes. They claim it was not a good substitute.

Many pedophiles on forums dedicated to non-offending agree that viewing CP and lolicon is actually not a healthy coping mechanism.

The continued argument for it being okay to view lolicon fuels the argument that it's okay to create, distribute, and view AI-generated CP which unequivocally, seriously harms and uses the likeness of real children.

If you take anything away from this, take away this other extremely important finding: "internet pornography in general, with top categories consistently being 'teen' has been contributing to the crystallisation of pedophilic interest in people with no prior explicit sexual interest to children."

You touch on this as well, but please understand that the devolving argument as to what "counts" as a child is not at all an accident. It's a symptom of the continued and persistent sexualization of minors. There was actually a study that observed Redditor views on lolicon and it found a common theme: "another tendency was to distinguish between younger and older children in relation to CSAM...meant to signify that teenagers are not children and that the idea of sexual depictions of teenagers are not much different from adult women."

This ideology is extremely dangerous in a society where the sexual use and abuse of women is commonplace. The image of girls in erotic media, AI-generated CP, and furthermore lolicon does not exist in a vacuum.

A passage I wrote: "On a cultural level, when we sexualize the female child we gradually corrode the norms that define children as off-limits to sexual use. The more sexualized content featuring minors or minor-coded characters proliferates, the more we place girls into a box labeled ‘woman,’ and the more that behavior or viewership becomes accepted. This is evidenced by a wealth of mass media studies in which the hypothesis that people construct their ideas of reality via the media they consume, amongst other things, is supported. The more persistent and coherent the messaging is, the more likely they are to apply and internalize it."

if you want these sources, it's on mokatcinno's reddit page.