Leon888 said: @WhiteTestament Brother, how much shit are you talking about? Madhouse animated Hunter x Hunter weekly with absurd quality, Ufotable, Wit studio and Kyonoanimation made much better animations than any Mappa project, A1 pictures itself managed to release 24 episode anime with very high quality... Bones you I grant that it doesn't manage to maintain constant quality for 24 episodes (as you can see from My Hero Academia), but here you're really praising Mappa for ruining JJK ☠️ I rewatched recently the first season and overall I think its worse from a purely animations point of view since there were more slower episodes where the team at Mappa could take a breather. This arc is just fight after fight after fight almost nonstop for its entire duration, its on another level of whatever ufo had done with either fate or demon slayer. Another level of burden of whatever Wit had done with AOT, Vinland, Vivy or whatever other anime and so on. Yes, there are some bad animated fight this season like Dagon vs Maki/Nanami/Naobito or Yuji vs Grasshopper... but almost every other big fight is truly something you would expect from an OAV or Movie anime budget wise. I think what you guys dont like its the different style of drawing and animating these fights, but on a technical level they are just great. Cant really remember any anime having around 10 fights or more in the upcoming eps with these quality in the span of a 20ish episode season. |
| nah culling games was garbage so it doesn't even matter if a studio like silver link animates it. mappa should just skip it, it's fine if it doesn't even get animated at all. |
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Leon888 said: @WhiteTestament But that's not true, it's easy to make good animations when the drawings suck because you literally have nothing to transpose... the animation was good even if confusing and rough in some places, but the drawings and details sucked... it didn't makes sense to have good animation if the drawings and character designs are drawn the way I would draw them at 5 years old brother... Also you should watch the One Piece Wano arc if you want to see more than 20 episodes of pure battle since Onigashima was just battles on fights... not to mention that everyone here jerks off about the animations without taking into account that even the details in an animation are important, we are not seeing Mob Phsyco 100, we are seeing Jujutsu Kaisen and having this confusing, sketchy and hasty style is certainly not what should be looked for in the show, actually look at demon slayer or Fate, maybe they won't have all these exaggerated movements like in episode 17, but they manage to maintain constancy and coherence for all the series, ditto also with Wit studio, Mappa instead doesn't manages to do it and the problems of this season are very noticeable... Apart from those few fights that I mentioned this season has been quite consistent on an animation basis. What is truly lacking in all of these fights in the last few eps (starting more noticeably with Jogo vs Sukuna) are transition scenes and an overall direction giving coherence and unity in tgose particular fights. This is probably the most valid complain in my opinion since the viewer can find himself lost trying to keep track of whats happening on the screen. There are istances where characters are seemingly teleported in other places and the costant feeling of scenes being stitched together forcefully is always there. It is almost like they are animating storyboards after storyboards. Given the state of Mappa's animators this is really a minor annoyance, though. These employers are really risking their lives animating and expanding these fights and the overall product is still extremely of high quality. This is why Mappa doing JJK part3 with the Culling Game would be totally fine, as long as they start to treat normally their employers. |
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How about not acting like an entitled child, who demands more than deserves?
| @Piromysl I would agree if it was something trivial like that Chainsaw Man bullcrap, but in this case I want the animators to be treated better and not have to deal with poor management. |
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Zimmu said:
Mappa is still probably gonna make S3, but if they ever change studios by some chance, I wouldn't mind.
Mappa is still probably gonna make S3, but if they ever change studios by some chance, I wouldn't mind.
Studio change isn't a problem but I really doubt any other studios would be able to do it the way the jjk team right now did, or at least nowhere close to this quality. Yes the same staff may go to work on that studio to animate jjk s3 but it still won't be the same as what we are seeing right now. What I want the ceo is to take less projects as it's too pressuring, and continue with jjk and one more if they want, but working on more than 2 projects at once will be too much.
| @MonsterSkas Yeah I agree. I definitely think Mappa is the most fitting studio to make JJK, but considering their work schedule and project numbers, and especially how some episodes were rushed and not made to their 100% intended version, because of that, I think I'll be fine with a studio change. But like you said, i also doubt other studios can be on par with jjk team. |
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@Max_Tylor firstly, nobody is entitled to demand anything unless you're part of the production committee or Gege. Secondly, until you prove that the mappa's handling of the production of jujutsu kaisen resulted in a significant decrease in popularity, you will be just like an old guy shouting at the cloud.
I know absolutely no one in my social circle that would be even a little bit close to dropping it, in fact, I have been fanatically enjoying season 1 so much, that I managed to get a lot of my friends watching. Most of the time I got those "it's really good, buts... ". But now? They all seem to be on the same hype train as I have been on since season 1. Season 2 manages to top the first one in every goddamn aspect, and everyone I know seems to agree with me on this. Even the more detailed animation in season 1 seems a little bit dated now compared to season 2. Now it's so much cleaner, fluid and dynamic.
If you seem so insulted by the quality, you can always just stick to the manga. MAL is literally the only place I see some shit thrown at JJK season 2 animation style (+Twitter occasionally). Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad.
I know absolutely no one in my social circle that would be even a little bit close to dropping it, in fact, I have been fanatically enjoying season 1 so much, that I managed to get a lot of my friends watching. Most of the time I got those "it's really good, buts... ". But now? They all seem to be on the same hype train as I have been on since season 1. Season 2 manages to top the first one in every goddamn aspect, and everyone I know seems to agree with me on this. Even the more detailed animation in season 1 seems a little bit dated now compared to season 2. Now it's so much cleaner, fluid and dynamic.
If you seem so insulted by the quality, you can always just stick to the manga. MAL is literally the only place I see some shit thrown at JJK season 2 animation style (+Twitter occasionally). Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad.
| @tuurvig Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain. Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize. MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites. Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.  I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many. I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much. Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood. |
ZimmuNov 24, 2023 5:21 PM
| Itsuki > |
Reply to Leon888
@WhiteTestament But that's not true, it's easy to make good animations when the drawings suck because you literally have nothing to transpose... the animation was good even if confusing and rough in some places, but the drawings and details sucked... it didn't makes sense to have good animation if the drawings and character designs are drawn the way I would draw them at 5 years old brother... Also you should watch the One Piece Wano arc if you want to see more than 20 episodes of pure battle since Onigashima was just battles on fights... not to mention that everyone here jerks off about the animations without taking into account that even the details in an animation are important, we are not seeing Mob Phsyco 100, we are seeing Jujutsu Kaisen and having this confusing, sketchy and hasty style is certainly not what should be looked for in the show, actually look at demon slayer or Fate, maybe they won't have all these exaggerated movements like in episode 17, but they manage to maintain constancy and coherence for all the series, ditto also with Wit studio, Mappa instead doesn't manages to do it and the problems of this season are very noticeable...
| @Leon888 Nobody's saying details aren't important, but people like you literally treat it like it's an "objective" view of "lesser detail means worse animation" or that this kind of approach should only be applied to select few series. You bring up Ufotable, but that's the approach of their directors and designers. |
Zimmu said: @tuurvig Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain. Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize. MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites. Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough. I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many. I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much. Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood. I think you have a small mistake here, but it's almost always the critics who spit on the fans, not the fans who do. I haven't seen any fans yet who roast the critics but it's always the so called critics saying offensive things to the fans. The picture you posted literally has a comment which says the fans who call the animation godly weird 💀 is that okay? Ik they are few in number but over half of those critics are not any logical critics but are there just to argue and roast the fans and even make big insults sometimes (I myself have been a victim). A very small fraction of those so called critics are actually logical and analyze the details and explains the good and bad parts nicely, and do not cause any insults to fans, you'd never get mad while reading their comments. The toxic critics aren't SCARED of the fans, it's often the fans who stay quiet because they have a fear of encountering them, and idk where you're getting this but it's almost always those so called critics bullying fans. I need some evidence of toxic fans because I have encountered none in the jjk community. |
MonsterSkasNov 24, 2023 9:27 PM
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@tuurvig
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
Zimmu said: Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain. Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize. MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites. Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough. You excellently bring forth this aspect of some people being scared to complain. I was one of them when S2 initially aired....was furious with the change in artstyle and rushed to MAL to vent my anger....and almost nobody agreed with me. There were a couple of members who simply asked me to stfu and that I was out of my mind. Now this goes both ways. Because I attacked S2 out of anger....my selection of words was not proper. That angered people who liked the artstyle. And whilst they thrashed me....nobody told me why I was being told to shut up and leave or how my take was biased against their beloved S2. This was until one member pointed out certain flaws in my argument but also stated that "they understood where I was coming from". That's all I needed to hear and led me to introspect that I was being too harsh on S2's hidden inventory arc just because I didn't like the artstyle....so my opinion, for HI arc, was subjective. But not voicing your opinion out of fear of backlash is also not correct...in my opinion/experience atleast. Because sooner or later you will find like-minded people....just like I found you, @Max_Tylor and others. The internet (and MAL) is a beautiful place in that it provides a platform for people to have discussions with others and voice their opinion. Some amount of "toxicity" is unavoidable because, at the end of the day, we are putting our likes/dislikes (and brain-dead takes) out there for people to judge. But once the opinion is voiced, one ought to "toughen up" against harsh backlash (and not take pure hate too seriously) because: (a) the opinion may be subjective/brain-dead to begin with and (b) not everyone will make a conscious effort to understand "where one is coming from"....so such people shouldn't matter in the first place. |
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Reply to MonsterSkas
Zimmu said:
@tuurvig
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
@tuurvig
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
I think you have a small mistake here, but it's almost always the critics who spit on the fans, not the fans who do. I haven't seen any fans yet who roast the critics but it's always the so called critics saying offensive things to the fans. The picture you posted literally has a comment which says the fans who call the animation godly weird 💀 is that okay? Ik they are few in number but over half of those critics are not any logical critics but are there just to argue and roast the fans and even make big insults sometimes (I myself have been a victim). A very small fraction of those so called critics are actually logical and analyze the details and explains the good and bad parts nicely, and do not cause any insults to fans, you'd never get mad while reading their comments. The toxic critics aren't SCARED of the fans, it's often the fans who stay quiet because they have a fear of encountering them, and idk where you're getting this but it's almost always those so called critics bullying fans. I need some evidence of toxic fans because I have encountered none in the jjk community.
| @MonsterSkas Then our discussion simply can't continue. There is too much difference in what we have seen. You've never seen toxic fans and only seen toxic critics; whereas me, I have seen the opposite. Because Im more on the critics side, I have definitely seen more comments from crtiticizers. Aside from a small portion, who simply say the animation is bad without giving evidence, many critics actually gives really constructive and logical explanations to backup their opinion. Regarding the picture I posted, I think it proves my point perfectly that ppl does complain about the animation. If you think its not enough to back up my argument (which I don't understand because it shows that people really judge the animation), feel free to look under CR comments, like I said. Most critics on CR also gives good arguments. Also regarding "it's almost always those so called critics bullying fans". I can tell you its incorrect. I don't know how much time you spend looking at forums or comments, but here are some typical things a fan says to a criticizer: 1. "You need to check your eyes if you think this is bad animation" 2. "Calling the animation bad is disrepecting MAPPA animators. Do you not have a heart?" 3. "Shut the fuck up bro" 4. "bro the animation was godly even with episodes being unfinished. stop acting entitled. what power do you think u have in the animation industry. absolutely none so shush." 5. "Stop trying to be different" And much more. These are the retarded statements a fan usually says to a criticizer, not the opposite. When a criticizer speaks what on their mind, they get insulted like this by the fans. You want some evidence but they are literally EVERYWHERE, bro. Go to a forum or find a comment of someone who criticize jjk s2. Look under the thread/comment, and you'll see how insulting fans can be. This might sound like a "trust me bro" moment, but you gotta trust me on this one. Its the fans that are more toxic. I don't want to be that guy who use anime watch counts as an argument, but I believe you only started watching anime this year? (dont judge if im wrong) I have clearly seen how toxic the fans can get, not with just JJK but other shows. Since we are talking about JJK here, its no exception that the fans are the more toxic. There are more fans than critics, hence the fans think they can say whatever the fuck they want without getting backlash. |
ZimmuNov 25, 2023 3:46 AM
| Itsuki > |
Reply to MonsterSkas
Zimmu said:
@tuurvig
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
@tuurvig
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
I think you have a small mistake here, but it's almost always the critics who spit on the fans, not the fans who do. I haven't seen any fans yet who roast the critics but it's always the so called critics saying offensive things to the fans. The picture you posted literally has a comment which says the fans who call the animation godly weird 💀 is that okay? Ik they are few in number but over half of those critics are not any logical critics but are there just to argue and roast the fans and even make big insults sometimes (I myself have been a victim). A very small fraction of those so called critics are actually logical and analyze the details and explains the good and bad parts nicely, and do not cause any insults to fans, you'd never get mad while reading their comments. The toxic critics aren't SCARED of the fans, it's often the fans who stay quiet because they have a fear of encountering them, and idk where you're getting this but it's almost always those so called critics bullying fans. I need some evidence of toxic fans because I have encountered none in the jjk community.
| @MonsterSkas And also, I need to define what "toxic fans" are. Toxic fans, especially JJK S2, are the people who: 1. Insult anyone who thinks the animation is bad, even if they gave good arguments and evidence. 2. Thinks that anyone who judge the animation is disrespecting the animators, when in reality they are not. 3. Who can't use logic and can't understand the evidence the criticizer provided. Even if the criticizr threw a good point, toxic fans simply ignore it. They will continue to insult, without giving good evidence themselves to explain why they think the animation is good. If you look at these traits, then I can guarentee you that at least 30% of the fans are toxic fans. |
| Itsuki > |
Reply to btech2009
Zimmu said:
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
You excellently bring forth this aspect of some people being scared to complain. I was one of them when S2 initially aired....was furious with the change in artstyle and rushed to MAL to vent my anger....and almost nobody agreed with me. There were a couple of members who simply asked me to stfu and that I was out of my mind. Now this goes both ways. Because I attacked S2 out of anger....my selection of words was not proper. That angered people who liked the artstyle. And whilst they thrashed me....nobody told me why I was being told to shut up and leave or how my take was biased against their beloved S2. This was until one member pointed out certain flaws in my argument but also stated that "they understood where I was coming from". That's all I needed to hear and led me to introspect that I was being too harsh on S2's hidden inventory arc just because I didn't like the artstyle....so my opinion, for HI arc, was subjective.
But not voicing your opinion out of fear of backlash is also not correct...in my opinion/experience atleast. Because sooner or later you will find like-minded people....just like I found you, @Max_Tylor and others.
The internet (and MAL) is a beautiful place in that it provides a platform for people to have discussions with others and voice their opinion. Some amount of "toxicity" is unavoidable because, at the end of the day, we are putting our likes/dislikes (and brain-dead takes) out there for people to judge. But once the opinion is voiced, one ought to "toughen up" against harsh backlash (and not take pure hate too seriously) because: (a) the opinion may be subjective/brain-dead to begin with and (b) not everyone will make a conscious effort to understand "where one is coming from"....so such people shouldn't matter in the first place.
| @btech2009 To be honest, I was like that too with HI aired. I didn't like the change in artstyle and I also wanted to criticize publicly. But then I saw others who did it get insulted, so I never really tried to express my view in public. They basically experienced what you experienced. I also agree that sometimes i say stuff out of anger, and when I think back, I could be wrong myself. But nevertheless I totally enjoyed HI arc after watching Shibuya cuz I think they are not on the same level (this is irrelevant to the conversation). I think fear of backlash is still a reason though. Obviously, nowadays I am really active on this forum since I am always up for argument. There is a change in mindset and I am not really scared to speak whats on my mind now. I also can find ppl like you and some others who continued to speak their real opinions, which I respect. But I am pretty sure there are others who are still scared to speak their opinions publicly online. I am not certain because I don't really know what others think, but still I believe people could be too scared to speak their thoughts. I completely agree with you on your third paragraph. |
| Itsuki > |
Zimmu said: @MonsterSkas Then our discussion simply can't continue. There is too much difference in what we have seen. You've never seen toxic fans and only seen toxic critics; whereas me, I have seen the opposite. Because Im more on the critics side, I have definitely seen more comments from crtiticizers. Aside from a small portion, who simply say the animation is bad without giving evidence, many critics actually gives really constructive and logical explanations to backup their opinion. Regarding the picture I posted, I think it proves my point perfectly that ppl does complain about the animation. If you think its not enough to back up my argument (which I don't understand because it shows that people really judge the animation), feel free to look under CR comments, like I said. Most critics on CR also gives good arguments. Also regarding "it's almost always those so called critics bullying fans". I can tell you its incorrect. I don't know how much time you spend looking at forums or comments, but here are some typical things a fan says to a criticizer: 1. "You need to check your eyes if you think this is bad animation" 2. "Calling the animation bad is disrepecting MAPPA animators. Do you not have a heart?" 3. "Shut the fuck up bro" 4. "bro the animation was godly even with episodes being unfinished. stop acting entitled. what power do you think u have in the animation industry. absolutely none so shush." 5. "Stop trying to be different" And much more. These are the retarded statements a fan usually says to a criticizer, not the opposite. When a criticizer speaks what on their mind, they get insulted like this by the fans. You want some evidence but they are literally EVERYWHERE, bro. Go to a forum or find a comment of someone who criticize jjk s2. Look under the thread/comment, and you'll see how insulting fans can be. This might sound like a "trust me bro" moment, but you gotta trust me on this one. Its the fans that are more toxic. I don't want to be that guy who use anime watch counts as an argument, but I believe you only started watching anime this year? (dont judge if im wrong) I have clearly seen how toxic the fans can get, not with just JJK but other shows. Since we are talking about JJK here, its no exception that the fans are the more toxic. There are more fans than critics, hence the fans think they can say whatever the fuck they want without getting backlash. I get your point now. Yes, I have seen fans like that, and they really are everywhere. But here's another thing, fans will show (comparatively) less amount of toxicity in each comment (and this is not wrong), while if those critics (which they think they are) start doing the same, they'll throw everything in one post, I have attached two screenshots below. The posts were made by the same guy, one on the AoT community, and another one on the JJK community, and I won't even cover his username because I'm fed up of being nice to them, he deserves all the hate for his hate. He was not just simply insulting fans, he was, eh, being racist? Bruh how come. This is how toxic haters can get, and I am not saying these after experiencing only him, but I have experienced similar guys, and they carry the potential to ruin your whole day, and even more sometimes. As toxic as fans can get, I have never seen them acting like that, they never were utterly despicable no matter how nasty they went. Yes the fans who insult the mangaka or the artists of an anime are the ones who are despicable. I also want to prove something, that being, fans are not more toxic, that's some seriously wrong thing which you've said. Talking about toxicity, toxic fans are everywhere, and it's not just a feat of the anime community (it's laughable when people say anime fans are toxic rlly), look at the k-pop community, what now, look at the general community of music artists, what now (the anime community will feel polite after that). Look at the comment section on quora, break it till you reach the end, read them, what now? (you are used to toxicity now). The fans you see on the internet, specifically on the comment section are really only the vast minority of fans around the globe, how many people are talking on the thread, is it even 100? (no). 30% of fans is a HUGE number, but if you're referring to the comment section that is fine. Over 95% of chill fans who know how to enjoy something and constructive and chill critics stay silent, and most of them don't even use the internet to comment on anime forums in general, if you use Twitter you can see how many views a post get, over 100s of thousands, and even millions, and hardly 100 people comment, and even the number of likes are pretty few. I wholeheartedly agree the the comment section on the internet (of any community) can be nasty, that includes even some fans who comment, but this is just wrong to say such a large number of fans are toxic. I have a few school friends who watch anime, they never said anything wrong, there's discord where I talk to some people, they are all critics and fans at the same time, and they are pretty nice (with a few exceptions). So I think that settles it, and mal is a place where you can see toxicity everywhere, that isn't just about the fans or critics. To get actual opinion of the majority, you can create polls, because way more number of people take part in that, and not all of them are toxic. That's how I was able to understand the general opinion on some topics. Nevertheless I take part in criticisms, but many of those critics do not understand me and throw me away because I'm talking from a fan's perspective. I do not check comment section on crunchyroll but if the critics are chill out there and won't throw me away for liking an episode, I definitely will check out.   |
MonsterSkasNov 25, 2023 5:11 AM
Reply to Zimmu
@tuurvig
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
Im glad you enjoyed S1, me too. I also enjoyed *most* episodes of S2. But, you are wrong in thinking MAL and Twitter are the only places that complain.
Why do you think people don't complain anymore? The reason is simple: Many ppl that want to criticize the animation are too SCARED to talk about their opinions in public. Iv seen people that gave logical criticisms get cyberbullied HARD by brainless JJK S2 fans. Its sad how people's freedom of speech is actually very limited, as no one can speak whats on their mind without getting bullied. Now ik that this shows S2 criticizers are the minority, but it doesn't mean that people don't criticize.
MAL doesnt have then like/dislike system and its also has more hardcore anime fans so people are more willing to speak their opinions. Twitter is just Twitter. Instagram is a shithole for anime discussion because the most brainless people are there. They are like dogs that protect their owners. You can't say anything about the animation being bad infront of instagram jjk s2 fans. Reddit is okay, as most ppl there are pretty smart and can process with their brains. Not familar with other sites.
Another reason you think people don't complain is that, YOU, yourself personally enjoyed the animation. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when you go on social media, you see people with the same opinions as you. You won't be bothered to even look at the comments with people complaining. This gives you an illusion that people don't ever criticize. Its not ppl dont criticize on those sites, its just that you haven't seen enough.
I can find criticisms under crunchyroll very easily, its just that most top comments with many likes are positive messages. Positive messages are good, but it usually doesn't reflect the real opinions of people and tend to generalize people's feedbacks. I can find a lot of these types of comments on CR very very easily, so you are kinda wrong in saying "Go look at Crunchyroll comments under the episodes, to the site where people actually pay for watching this weekly. No matter how far you go, there is not a single twat complaining about the animation being bad." Go to ep 8 or 17 and scroll the comments down. You can find many.
I also use lots of Chinese social medias, and Chinese watchers also comments on apps like Weibo to talk about their dislike for the animation. What really matters is the inclusion of people's opinions. There are so many fucking stupid ass JJK S2 fans who can't comprehend logic, and simply defend JJK S2 like a dog to its owners. Piss me off so much.
Im not here to start an argument with you. Im just simply telling you things that you misunderstood.
| @Zimmu thanks for the reply. I get it that people are complaining. But you are kinda making an argument here I did not make. Or maybe I didn't make myself entirely clear with my wording. I agree with you 100%, people should be able to criticize all they want and have a platform to do so. But, there is a clear distinction between a person who criticizes with valid points and a plain ol' toxic hater. All I have meant is that there is not a significant amount of people who criticize or hate jjk2 that would take a toll on the show's overall popularity (that would make TOHO reconsider production studios other than mappa, and so on..). As you've said those people are in the minority. If the production was so fucked, like Promised Neverland 2, then that argument would make sense, because CloverWorks did a horrendous job with that. But clearly, that is not the case with JJK. It has a huge amount of fans, both manga and anime. A lot of people are very satisfied with the anime, as I am, and when someone raises such ridiculous nonsense as OP, it just rubs me the wrong way. For the sake of an argument, let's imagine if the same argument was made about Hunter x Hunter for example. And I fake quote "Can we all stop madhouse from taking another season, because of how they handled Chimera Ant Arc?" - there is also a group of people who do not exactly enjoy the arc, including myself. The amount is not insignificant I think, but definitely a minority. It would be just a very entitled way to take a dump on the show that is beloved by so many fans, just as the OP did. Look, I am thankful for what I can get, and I registered the fact, that the animation is not perfect. But what the hell is perfect? I view JJK as: Animation that looks almost perfect, but has some rough parts that are not exactly finished, but still looks overall much better than other productions. It has absolutely zero significance on my rating or enjoyment of the show (May work totally differently for other people and that's okay). It has so many other great departments to enjoy as well. VAs, sound editing and design, clever cinematic compositions, tight pacing, great story, great characters... But I have to say personally, I generally do not like the attitude of bashing non-perfection (MAPPA production issues aside). I also did not love some episodes in S1. Or I did not love the Grasshopper episode, or the episode after Gate Open where they took half of the episode to explain the current world state and the implications of Gojo being sealed (if it wasn't clear already). But again, zero influence on my rating. It's like saying a really nice painting is shit, cause there are several splinters sticking out of the picture frame. As for the MAPPA situation. I get it, it's bad. MAPPA CEO fucked up. He took Chainsaw Man before JJK2 season production started and because of the hard deadline, it chopped the time animators had to complete the entire season of JJK. But for the chainsaw man production? All I have heard is that the animators got paid the best industry-wide, it wasn't rushed and the reception was great, it just did not make enough sales for it to be a total success. JJK season 2 is a total financial success and it will be finished no matter what. A lot of animators got burned out. But it happened, something that should not have happened, and nothing can be done to undo this. But it does not mean, the situation will be exactly the same the following season. I am trying to be a little optimistic here. I hope MAPPA gives their employees a huge fucking compensation for the shitshow they got them in and changes their scheduling strategy. It won't happen? I dunno, but definitely hope so. Am I naive? Maybe. I am glad animators are speaking out because that is what will pressure the higher-ups. After what happened, and how many people are aware, they cannot do nothing. I took quite a while to reply. Maybe someone said something similar before. |
tuurvigNov 25, 2023 1:42 PM
Reply to Evelyn7495
i don't think we have any power over this. Mappa got extra greedy this year with the Number of projects it got. maybe it would be better if another studio like UFOTABLE or wit continued it, but maybe not. idk, has it ever happened before? a project going to another studio because of fans' request?
| @Evelyn7495 an anime will never go to another studio because of fans. That’s all up to the production committee. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
| The fact that the OP thinks fans have the power to stop a studio from producing an anime is cute. Frankly the amount of entitlement from JJK fans this season has been amusing, if not a little frustrating. The series is easily among the most popular and successful anime of the past 5 years, and yet y'all still aren't happy just because the animation isn't 100% to your liking? |
Reply to arvetan
Goshozono's midness isn't the fault of MAPPA. The season would've looked the exact same albeit with a bit more polish with more time. And it's not like MAPPA didn't give Goshozono more time, Goshozono took 3 weeks off after episode 5 and they still produce mediocre shit. Why? Because they're pretentious animators who try to over-animate random scene which takes time when they can just use normal animation and focus on the fight scenes. They over-animate a guy brushing his teeth and then have no time for actual important scenes and so they use cheap "artistic choice" stickman animation or CGI. It's clearly the fault of the mid director Goshozono not the lack of time. It's a misuse of time and resources. His focus is on the wrong things.
| @arvetan Your passion for JJK is laudable. Seeing the technical masterpiece that is CSM, I believe Goshozono would have definitely brought more of that artistic vision to JJK S2 if not for the hellish production schedule. I probably do not have the extent of knowledge you have on this matter, but when I now look back at CSM, after shibuya, I believe JJK could have had CSM-tier art and animation if only they had more time. But that's an impossibility given the direction MAPPA is headed in now. Personally, I am a massive fan of the old artstyle and direction myself and I do sorely miss the S1 artstyle and Park's hand-to-hand combat sequences. But no amount of complaining will bring S1/JJK0's artstyle or Park back to the franchise. When S2 initially came out, I too used to complain with your level of passion...but I later realized that such an approach angers (almost) everyone because it's subjective...it's our opinion...it conveys how we feel about the art/animation. |
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