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Nov 3, 2023 11:09 PM

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As someone has practiced BJJ which is very contact-heavy, sorry to tell you but we don't scream and grunt with every move we take. It's actually preferable to keep your poker face up during a fight, because it's intimidating

Nov 3, 2023 11:10 PM

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Fern with that look reminded me how much I wanted to get stepped on by her!!!

Nov 3, 2023 11:11 PM

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Stark clearly showed emotion though,and Lugner was just keeping a poker face as u can clearly tell from his inner monologue during the fight.
So it was what it was.

Nov 3, 2023 11:25 PM

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I prefer calm, elegant, expressionless fights than those where at one moment characters scream in pain like a maniac and next moment they act like they don't feel pain but still scream like a maniac.

Besides only Fern was truly expressionless. Those demons had subtle expressions behind their poker face.

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Nov 3, 2023 11:25 PM

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Showing too much emotions during a fight is rather unrealistic as well. A fight is pretty much a chess game, if you react too much, you're giving away your weaknesses.

Nov 3, 2023 11:28 PM

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As someone has practiced BJJ which is very contact-heavy, sorry to tell you but we don't scream and grunt with every move we take. It's actually preferable to keep your poker face up during a fight, because it's intimidating

@VMPL well getting impaled on a wall 15 ft above the ground would make you say otherwise.

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Nov 3, 2023 11:32 PM

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@VMPL well getting impaled on a wall 15 ft above the ground would make you say otherwise.

Man, I really hate it when strong mages act unrealistic in their fully realistic world with blood hungry demons and warriors whose skin can't be cut with axe.

Nov 3, 2023 11:34 PM

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@VMPL well getting impaled on a wall 15 ft above the ground would make you say otherwise.

@Janethan23 There is this thing called adrenaline, have you ever heard of it? And when something is stuck in you, it's actually less painful when it's stationary. It only gets painful when that thing moves and touches your nerve, which was showcased in the episode.

So you either have no ideas how a human body works or you were just leaving the episode on as background noise.

Nov 3, 2023 11:36 PM

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Man, I really hate it when strong mages act unrealistic in their fully realistic world with blood hungry demons and warriors whose skin can't be cut with axe.

@ljlljjljlll Good rebuke, but tbh though, the emotions are actually depicted realistically. What other anime tend to do is actually more unrealistic.

Nov 3, 2023 11:37 PM

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@Janethan23
I have mix feelings about it. I'm glad there not screaming every time they get stabbed, and there's mostly no pointless conversation in the battle. At the same time like you said it doesn't feel like anything happening. At one point they did a overview of the castle look more like a firework display than a magic fight. They could of shown just a little more emotion.

Nov 3, 2023 11:38 PM

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@Janethan23
I have mix feelings about it. I'm glad there not screaming every time they get stabbed, and there's mostly no pointless conversation in the battle. At the same time like you said it doesn't feel like anything happening. At one point they did a overview of the castle look more like a firework display than a magic fight. They could of shown just a little more emotion.

@Moppit What emotions do you wanna see?

This is a real fight, do you see how much screaming they did there?

Nov 3, 2023 11:43 PM

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I agree with this besides the fern commentary, she was basically raised by Freiren and therefore has ALOT of her mannerisms which is also a complaint I have about the show especially the first few episodes because the banter between them was very dry since their both very dry characters. But yeah it’s a little disconcerting and strange when these battles are happening and no one is showing any real emotion on either side. Stark did a little at the end but even if it’s explainable by the precedent set by the author, the author still decided to make that a precedent and it takes a little away from the overall fight scenes….a little. not my biggest complaint tho

Nov 3, 2023 11:48 PM

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I agree with this besides the fern commentary, she was basically raised by Freiren and therefore has ALOT of her mannerisms which is also a complaint I have about the show especially the first few episodes because the banter between them was very dry since their both very dry characters. But yeah it’s a little disconcerting and strange when these battles are happening and no one is showing any real emotion on either side. Stark did a little at the end but even if it’s explainable by the precedent set by the author, the author still decided to make that a precedent and it takes a little away from the overall fight scenes….a little. not my biggest complaint tho

@chefboyarkey Look at those 2 fighters screaming and showing their angry faces.

Nov 3, 2023 11:49 PM

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We get it, you can only get off to annoying yelling, teeth-grinding, and animalistic grunts á la DBZ

Nov 3, 2023 11:50 PM

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ljlljjljlll said:
Man, I really hate it when strong mages act unrealistic in their fully realistic world with blood hungry demons and warriors whose skin can't be cut with axe.

no dont misunderstand. her point is the atmosphere is dry. even when during comedy moment, their tone is low and calm

Nov 3, 2023 11:54 PM

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VMPL said:
@ljlljjljlll Good rebuke, but tbh though, the emotions are actually depicted realistically. What other anime tend to do is actually more unrealistic.

i dont think so. shes young and never really experience pain physically. frieren aint like stark's master where he really hit stark when training. for a person who dont really experience pain everyday like stark, they would scream if they get stabbed like that

Nov 3, 2023 11:55 PM

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@Janethan23 That's not me mate. I'm still waiting for your counter-argument.

Nov 3, 2023 11:57 PM

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@Moppit What emotions do you wanna see?

This is a real fight, do you see how much screaming they did there?

@VMPL I saw a multitude of emotions that were adequately shown here. Go watch a fight similar to this minus the overwhelming crowd noise and you'll hear them grunt, moan, groan to each other's actions.

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Nov 4, 2023 12:05 AM

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so you want cringe over wide open mouth bad looking and un realistic looking face from other trash generic anime also harem ?

Nov 4, 2023 12:05 AM

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Janethan23 said:
Their fights are monotone and lacking in emotion

Well yes, that would be the purpose. The characters' facial expressions or lack thereof is a part of the atmosphere of the story, similar to the humdrum presentation of Stark's timid nature.

Nov 4, 2023 12:10 AM

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@Janethan23 There is this thing called adrenaline, have you ever heard of it? And when something is stuck in you, it's actually less painful when it's stationary. It only gets painful when that thing moves and touches your nerve, which was showcased in the episode.

So you either have no ideas how a human body works or you were just leaving the episode on as background noise.

@VMPL well I do know a thing about how the human body works. Unless you're under the influence of PCP or some hallucinogens, adrenaline won't be enough to have you act like a robot and ignore being IMPALED 15 FT ABOVE THE GROUND for a 17 year old. Even Jesus wasn't this indifferent when he got impaled that high.

...also
Lose the attitude btw. Being smug doesn't get you any closer to being correct.

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Nov 4, 2023 12:19 AM

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Seriously one of the worst anime eber and only defective zoomers with personality dosorders and women with BPD lile this nonsense. real women act nothing like this and shes not a believable character what so ever.

Nov 4, 2023 12:20 AM

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@VMPL I saw a multitude of emotions that were adequately shown here. Go watch a fight similar to this minus the overwhelming crowd noise and you'll hear them grunt, moan, groan to each other's actions.

@Janethan23 Didn't Fern and Stark also grunt and groan when they get hit? Again, are you sure you didn't just leave the show on as background noise.

Khabib and Connor actually grunt and groan less than Stark here, if you watch the standing fight session, you can see they don't even react to being punched. Can you explain why they can do that?

Janethan23 said:
@VMPL well I do know a thing about how the human body works. Unless you're under the influence of PCP or some hallucinogens, adrenaline won't be enough to have you act like a robot and ignore being IMPALED 15 FT ABOVE THE GROUND for a 17 year old. Even Jesus wasn't this indifferent when he got impaled that high.

...also
Lose the attitude btw. Being smug doesn't get you any closer to being correct.

I'm not having any attitude besides dropping some cold hard facts on you with my cold expressionless face on. Have you ever trained in any martial art or participate in any contact support? If yes, then what was it?

Nov 4, 2023 12:23 AM

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@Janethan23
I have mix feelings about it. I'm glad there not screaming every time they get stabbed, and there's mostly no pointless conversation in the battle. At the same time like you said it doesn't feel like anything happening. At one point they did a overview of the castle look more like a firework display than a magic fight. They could of shown just a little more emotion.

@Moppit smh...
I just realized you guys associate showing emotion with screaming. WOW, just wow.

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Janethan23 said:
@VMPL well I do know a thing about how the human body works. Unless you're under the influence of PCP or some hallucinogens, adrenaline won't be enough to have you act like a robot and ignore being IMPALED 15 FT ABOVE THE GROUND for a 17 year old. Even Jesus wasn't this indifferent when he got impaled that high.

...also
Lose the attitude btw. Being smug doesn't get you any closer to being correct.

this feels like twitter argument cause they gonna make their own narrative. youll never win

Nov 4, 2023 12:29 AM

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@Moppit smh...
I just realized you guys associate showing emotion with screaming. WOW, just wow.

@Janethan23 Well yes, screaming is an emotional reaction. When you make big noise without emotion, people call it shouting.

Nov 4, 2023 12:32 AM

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We get it, you can only get off to annoying yelling, teeth-grinding, and animalistic grunts á la DBZ

@Animaticide found another one who believes emotion is about screaming. smh

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Nov 4, 2023 12:41 AM

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I feel like everyone is starting to ignore the troll, maybe I should learn after them.

Nov 4, 2023 12:51 AM

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@Janethan23 Well yes, screaming is an emotional reaction. When you make big noise without emotion, people call it shouting.

@VMPL is it exclusive though? You can't show any other emotion without screaming? I suggest you take your self-projection out of the discussion. You maybe emotionless or robotic if you get stabbed or when you step on a tack but objectively everyone could acknowledge that feeling pain or any discomfort warrants some degree of emotion. It doesn't have to be overly dramatic on a hypersensitive level. At least something, not this deadpan staring contest.

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Nov 4, 2023 1:10 AM

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@VMPL is it exclusive though? You can't show any other emotion without screaming? I suggest you take your self-projection out of the discussion. You maybe emotionless or robotic if you get stabbed or when you step on a tack but objectively everyone could acknowledge that feeling pain or any discomfort warrants some degree of emotion. It doesn't have to be overly dramatic on a hypersensitive level. At least something, not this deadpan staring contest.

@Janethan23 That's where you're confusing me, because all of the characters show their reaction to pain in this episode. What else do you want exactly?

Nov 4, 2023 1:11 AM

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what is this thread even for

Nov 4, 2023 1:44 AM

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Fern is Frieren's apprentice and we've already been shown how Frieren taught her some composure during a battle and you're still surprised? Lol

Nov 4, 2023 1:52 AM

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Janethan23 said:
@Animaticide found another one who believes emotion is about screaming. smh

took you long enough to find a mirror

Nov 4, 2023 2:19 AM

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Janethan23 said:
That deadpan look on others.
Granted, Frieren can get away with such an expression since she's been alive long enough or just her character trait but Fern? She's a fairly young human correct? She get's stabbed and impaled on a wall and not even an "ouch" or hint of pain? Come on now. Linie the axe wielding demon carries the same demeanor and might as well Lügner. Their fights are monotone and lacking in emotion it comes off as dry and uninteresting and takes away impressive choreography and animation behind it. Oh my goodness who fights like this?... A staring contest with lots of awesome stuff going around. They might as well be headless warriors like those npc knights being controlled by Aura.

Yeah ikr it would be soooo much better if Fern was screaming at the top of her lungs and yelling out the name of every move she did, while also being extremely angry and having nothing else of value in her character.

Nov 4, 2023 3:26 AM

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There's no need to worry about production, when MadHouse is here.

Nov 4, 2023 5:00 AM

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It’s the style of the manga. If anything the anime is more expressive. I think the fact that they’re poker faced most of the time makes it when their faces do show emotion, like a smile, have more of an impact.

Also I think it fits because this is a world that’s in relative peace after the demon lord defeat and people are in their normal apathetic lives. Although they were dealing with demons recently, a lot of times they are dealing with relative mundane tasks when they stop in towns. It’s just a normal time and people are pretty neutral because of it. That’s how I see it anyways.

Nov 4, 2023 5:00 AM

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this! this is the one gripe I have with the show. The soundtrack, sound design, animation and overall production has been great. The general concept and story has been good aswell. But the characters are all so monotonous and apathetic! I'm not asking them to be over the top dramatic like in most shows, I just want them to show a little more emotion than just a slight chuckle every now and then.

Nov 4, 2023 5:38 AM

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I'd imagine being a mage that needs to focus on managing mana and controlling your magic requires a steady focus and a calm heart. Fern may be young but she isn't the same inexperienced kid we once saw in earlier episodes, mind you. She knows what she needs to do to win a fight, and yelling her heart out isn't on the to-do list.

It's not like they're being overly pushy with this poker faced fighting style either, Stark, a warrior, is rightfully yelling and fighting his heart out because he's a warrior. He's tough, brave, and valiant. I don't expect mages to be fighting similarly to warriors.

Nov 4, 2023 5:41 AM

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Battle shounen tards are something else...

Nov 4, 2023 5:43 AM

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I don’t agree, but I can at least understand where you’re coming from with Fern. Now the demons on the other hand, why would you expect any emotion to come from them from what you’ve been shown? From the start they’re deemed emotionless, apathetic beings, polar opposite’s to the typical human.

Fern gets her mannerisms from Frieren, who is an elf that was living a life of solitude for 1000 years before coming across her master and the hero party. They are both calm and collected under pressure, and Fern won’t show weakness in a battle, maybe besides running from a surprise attack from her first interaction with a dragon. She also needs to focus on maintaining mana and thinking of what to do next. Just cuz she isn’t shown to get the shit beaten out of her by Frieren like it’s been shown with Stark and Eisen, doesn’t mean she isn’t trained for things like this. She of course feels pain, she’s not gonna show it.

Stark, Himmel, and Heiter deliver the more expressive character types. Fern and Frieren might be dead pan, but they both have personalities. I see people say they don’t and I’m just thrown off by that, cuz they obviously do.

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Nov 4, 2023 7:35 AM

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From the moment this got an anime announced, I knew some people would complain about this.
And it's the usual suspects as well.

Nov 4, 2023 7:44 AM

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Noted.

Really not that big of a deal, tho and pretty nitpicky if you ask me^^

Nov 4, 2023 8:21 AM

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Stay away from things that bother you

Nov 4, 2023 8:26 AM

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if its starting to bother you then just stop watching lol

Nov 4, 2023 8:44 AM

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Animaticide said:
We get it, you can only get off to annoying yelling, teeth-grinding, and animalistic grunts á la DBZ

you got it . these bait posts are just shonen guys who can't understand more nuanced stories and need 5 Ep long fights.

Nov 4, 2023 8:54 AM

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I'll just add to the bait. to enhance those saying that this is Fern just because she's raised by Frieren.
Yes, but no, she's not copying here mannerisms, she's displaying her own power.

there are no expressions because she is not hurting, she is not really afraid, she's been trained by the hero's mage and... here's one of the main plot points of these first arcs: they are way more powerful than these demons. While Frieren and humanity grew in power and understanding of demon magic and such, the demons remained static. they don't get it that Frieren is even more powerful than 80 years ago. and, even Fern is stronger, with better and quicker attack and defense magic.

sorry, this may in someway be a spoiler for the next episodes, where what will matter most is the story of Frieren and not the fight (sorry to disappoint you DBZ guys).

Nov 4, 2023 10:33 AM

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Just imagine instead of expressionless Fern blasting Lugner like a badass cold mf that she is, she yells kamehameha the whole fight. What a cinema!

Nov 4, 2023 11:05 AM

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Fern training extensively under Frieren makes sense to me that she would pick up similar battle styles. Keep your wits about you even if you get hurt. keep paying attention. look for an angl, look for an opening. Fighting a beast might be different, but against intelligent enemies that can plot and scheme, If you're winning need you need to look out for their counter, if you're losing, you need to look how to make yours. The demons would know the same thing.

At the same time, you don't want to tip your hand. They're constantly fighting while playing poker.

I'm guessing most combatants in that world either learn it or don't live to pass on their more expressive techniques.

Stark is more expressive because he's still scared, and getting used to battle (I think he has the least real fight experience). But he might be strong enough to be one of the first to grow old and stay expressive.

Nov 4, 2023 1:12 PM

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People usually stay silent during a fight unless they a psychopath laughing their ass off

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