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Aug 25, 2023 12:26 PM
#1
but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? |
Aug 25, 2023 12:35 PM
#2
The poison is very hard to produce and use. It's also recently discovered and since it is made from visteria flowers, there isn't a good amount of it as well. Also, this is obviously only my speculation, but if Shinobi just went on and gave the poison to every other demon slayer, she could lose her position as Hashira and therefore have a lower chance of achieving her goal. (Which I won't spoil, since I don't know how far in the story you are) |
Aug 25, 2023 12:39 PM
#3
In universe reasoning? Decapitation is more effective. One slice to the neck kills them instantly, while poison puts them on a timer. Shinobu uses it out of necessity, since she doesn’t have the strength to decapitate. Tengen comes from a shinobi family, and his wives are all kunoichi, so they’re all trained to use this kind of equipment. Actual reason? It makes them more unique. |
Aug 25, 2023 3:01 PM
#4
Leon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? beheading the demon is easier & more effective... and then there's gyomei πππ |
Aug 25, 2023 3:13 PM
#5
well in the last battle of season 2, we saw some ninja throws that injected poison used in the battle, inoske being loision orrofππ |
Aug 25, 2023 3:25 PM
#6
The butterfly Hashira uses poison |
Aug 25, 2023 4:32 PM
#7
Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. |
Aug 25, 2023 5:41 PM
#8
Leon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? said poison is extremely difficult to produce and refine. maybe some years later the techniques couldve evolved and the demon slayer weaklings could at least cleanse the worlds from trash mob demons but that didn't happen. this poison was developed by shinobu herself and im guessing uzui's wives only had acess to some trough uzui being an hashira. also in stronger demons poison acts more as a debuff than a dmg dealing element wich doesn't fit most fighters |
Aug 26, 2023 2:11 AM
#9
Lajnuz said: Okay, the thing that poison is difficult to produce is bullshit, since Shinobu also produced different types of poison and wisteria flowers can be easily found on the test mountain for demon slayers...The poison is very hard to produce and use. It's also recently discovered and since it is made from visteria flowers, there isn't a good amount of it as well. Also, this is obviously only my speculation, but if Shinobi just went on and gave the poison to every other demon slayer, she could lose her position as Hashira and therefore have a lower chance of achieving her goal. (Which I won't spoil, since I don't know how far in the story you are) Also Shinobu would never endanger her comrades just for her desire for revenge, so there really was no reason why demon slayers couldn't use poison |
Aug 26, 2023 2:15 AM
#10
jekfrumstotferm said: decapitation will be even more effective, but suppose they face a demon stronger than them obviously they won't be able to decapitate it immediately but infusing the blade with poison could weaken the demon and give more opportunities to decapitate it, in fact I don't understand why the other demon slayers don't make use of it since it would not harm them, on the contrary it would improve their chances of winningIn universe reasoning? Decapitation is more effective. One slice to the neck kills them instantly, while poison puts them on a timer. Shinobu uses it out of necessity, since she doesn’t have the strength to decapitate. Tengen comes from a shinobi family, and his wives are all kunoichi, so they’re all trained to use this kind of equipment. Actual reason? It makes them more unique. |
Aug 26, 2023 2:15 AM
#11
GYATyoruichi said: decapitation will be even more effective, but suppose they face a demon stronger than them obviously they won't be able to decapitate it immediately but infusing the blade with poison could weaken the demon and give more opportunities to decapitate it, in fact I don't understand why the other demon slayers don't make use of it since it would not harm them, on the contrary it would improve their chances of winningLeon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? beheading the demon is easier & more effective... and then there's gyomei πππ |
Aug 26, 2023 2:16 AM
#12
TokeiSenpai said: and why don't other hashira also use it?The butterfly Hashira uses poison |
Aug 26, 2023 2:18 AM
#13
LucenProject said: you are absolutely right, in fact I really don't understand why they don't use it since it increases their probability of winningUnless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. |
Aug 26, 2023 2:20 AM
#14
Alex_the_reaper said: bah at least for the final battle, Shinobu could have empowered the other hashira by infusing their blades with the poison chr had, it would have greatly increased their chances of victoryLeon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? said poison is extremely difficult to produce and refine. maybe some years later the techniques couldve evolved and the demon slayer weaklings could at least cleanse the worlds from trash mob demons but that didn't happen. this poison was developed by shinobu herself and im guessing uzui's wives only had acess to some trough uzui being an hashira. also in stronger demons poison acts more as a debuff than a dmg dealing element wich doesn't fit most fighters |
Aug 26, 2023 3:42 AM
#15
Leon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: decapitation will be even more effective, but suppose they face a demon stronger than them obviously they won't be able to decapitate it immediately but infusing the blade with poison could weaken the demon and give more opportunities to decapitate it, in fact I don't understand why the other demon slayers don't make use of it since it would not harm them, on the contrary it would improve their chances of winningLeon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? beheading the demon is easier & more effective... and then there's gyomei πππ stronger demons can decompose the poison. u will understand this in a few arcs |
Aug 26, 2023 4:39 AM
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Lajnuz said: The poison is very hard to produce and use. It's also recently discovered and since it is made from visteria flowers, there isn't a good amount of it as well. Also, this is obviously only my speculation, but if Shinobi just went on and gave the poison to every other demon slayer, she could lose her position as Hashira and therefore have a lower chance of achieving her goal. (Which I won't spoil, since I don't know how far in the story you are) spoil me! idc about ds spoiler. |
Aug 26, 2023 6:11 AM
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LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon |
Aug 26, 2023 6:12 AM
#18
Leon888 said: LucenProject said: you are absolutely right, in fact I really don't understand why they don't use it since it increases their probability of winningUnless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. I explained why it's useless so don't ignore me lol |
Aug 26, 2023 6:14 AM
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GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? |
Aug 26, 2023 6:15 AM
#20
baymaxemon said: Lajnuz said: The poison is very hard to produce and use. It's also recently discovered and since it is made from visteria flowers, there isn't a good amount of it as well. Also, this is obviously only my speculation, but if Shinobi just went on and gave the poison to every other demon slayer, she could lose her position as Hashira and therefore have a lower chance of achieving her goal. (Which I won't spoil, since I don't know how far in the story you are) spoil me! idc about ds spoiler. shinobu injected a shit ton of wisteria poison inside her so when doma, upper 2 ate her alive he was heavily poisoned cuz he also consumed the poison inside shinobus body |
Aug 26, 2023 6:23 AM
#21
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil |
Aug 26, 2023 6:34 AM
#22
GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. |
Aug 26, 2023 6:37 AM
#23
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. |
Aug 26, 2023 6:39 AM
#24
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. not only that but being a normal swordsman also gives u a higher chance of getting the red blade which is 1 of the best abilities in demon slayer |
Aug 26, 2023 6:43 AM
#25
GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. |
Aug 26, 2023 6:45 AM
#26
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless |
Aug 26, 2023 6:52 AM
#27
GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. |
Aug 26, 2023 6:58 AM
#28
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison |
Aug 26, 2023 7:15 AM
#29
GYATyoruichi said: Much better! You literally could have just said "the poison doesn't work on upper ranks, and doesn't give other hashiras any advantage against basic demons." "Uppers can decompose..." has unclear meaning. Thank you for taking your time to explain to me, though! I appreciate it.LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison |
LucenProjectAug 26, 2023 7:19 AM
Aug 26, 2023 7:20 AM
#30
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: Much better! You literally could have just said "the poison doesn't work on upper ranks, and doesn't give other hashiras any advantage against basic demons." "Uppers can decompose..." has unclear meaning. Thank you for taking your time to explain to me, though! I appreciate it.LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison didn't I already say that? |
Aug 26, 2023 7:23 AM
#31
GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison didn't I already say that? nah, you said "Uppers can decompose..." We can break down alcohol, but it has a clear effect on us until we do and high enough concentrations will still kill us. being able to break something down isn't the same as it having no effect whatsoever. |
Aug 26, 2023 7:25 AM
#32
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: Much better! You literally could have just said "the poison doesn't work on upper ranks, and doesn't give other hashiras any advantage against basic demons." "Uppers can decompose..." has unclear meaning. Thank you for taking your time to explain to me, though! I appreciate it.LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison didn't I already say that? nah, you said "Uppers can decompose..." We can break down alcohol, but it has a clear effect on us until we do and high enough concentrations will still kill us. being able to break something down isn't the same as it having no effect whatsoever. ok (character limit) |
Aug 26, 2023 7:27 AM
#33
GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: Much better! You literally could have just said "the poison doesn't work on upper ranks, and doesn't give other hashiras any advantage against basic demons." "Uppers can decompose..." has unclear meaning. Thank you for taking your time to explain to me, though! I appreciate it.LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison didn't I already say that? nah, you said "Uppers can decompose..." We can break down alcohol, but it has a clear effect on us until we do and high enough concentrations will still kill us. being able to break something down isn't the same as it having no effect whatsoever. ok (character limit) lol. yeah, that's probably the best move for you to make at this point. |
Aug 26, 2023 7:28 AM
#34
LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: Much better! You literally could have just said "the poison doesn't work on upper ranks, and doesn't give other hashiras any advantage against basic demons." "Uppers can decompose..." has unclear meaning. Thank you for taking your time to explain to me, though! I appreciate it.LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison didn't I already say that? nah, you said "Uppers can decompose..." We can break down alcohol, but it has a clear effect on us until we do and high enough concentrations will still kill us. being able to break something down isn't the same as it having no effect whatsoever. ok (character limit) lol. yeah, that's probably the best move for you to make at this point. wdym (character limit) |
Aug 26, 2023 8:43 AM
#35
poison is really easy to decompose for the upper moons. they can easily decompose and find the cute of it lol. The reason why shinobu is the only one to fight using poison is simply because she's weak and can't fight normally Poison is really weak against demons |
Aug 26, 2023 11:14 AM
#36
GYATyoruichi said: but what does sorry mean? You who say decapitating demons is easier, I could answer you that the strongest demons can overcome death by decapitation... it is true that the strongest demons are almost unbeatable, so using poison was certainly more advantageous for the Hashira, since that even the slightest injury would already be something with the strongest demonsLeon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: Leon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? beheading the demon is easier & more effective... and then there's gyomei πππ stronger demons can decompose the poison. u will understand this in a few arcs |
Aug 26, 2023 11:17 AM
#37
GYATyoruichi said: oh well you're so stupid that you don't even notice that I replied to everyone, not just you, lolLeon888 said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. I explained why it's useless so don't ignore me lol |
Aug 26, 2023 11:25 AM
#38
Leon888 said: TokeiSenpai said: and why don't other hashira also use it?The butterfly Hashira uses poison Because if everyone had the same power than it would be boring? |
Aug 26, 2023 11:29 AM
#39
GYATyoruichi said: alright you just shoot bullshit, first point is the katana smiths he knows how to infuse poison into katanas, Shinobu has only modified the scabbard to use more types of poison against demons, second because it would be disadvantageous to infuse poison into the blades of other demons slayer ? you increase their chances of winning and although crescent moons are more resistant to poison they are not totally immune to it...there is no valid point why hunters can't use poison on them and Shinobu isn't the only one to knowing how to create it since even Tengen with his wives used poisoned Kunai, so stop saying bullshit that you only look worse lolLucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison |
Aug 26, 2023 11:30 AM
#40
TokeiSenpai said: but it's not a power, it's a weapon that everyone can benefit from πLeon888 said: TokeiSenpai said: The butterfly Hashira uses poison Because if everyone had the same power than it would be boring? |
Aug 26, 2023 11:33 AM
#41
chinmay23 said: but this is bullshit, only superior demons are resistant to poison but they too suffer the effects if you infuse them poison continuously, just see Tanjiro who was able to stop Gyutaro with only a poisoned kunai...lolpoison is really easy to decompose for the upper moons. they can easily decompose and find the cute of it lol. The reason why shinobu is the only one to fight using poison is simply because she's weak and can't fight normally Poison is really weak against demons |
Aug 26, 2023 11:36 AM
#42
Leon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: but what does sorry mean? You who say decapitating demons is easier, I could answer you that the strongest demons can overcome death by decapitation... it is true that the strongest demons are almost unbeatable, so using poison was certainly more advantageous for the Hashira, since that even the slightest injury would already be something with the strongest demonsLeon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: decapitation will be even more effective, but suppose they face a demon stronger than them obviously they won't be able to decapitate it immediately but infusing the blade with poison could weaken the demon and give more opportunities to decapitate it, in fact I don't understand why the other demon slayers don't make use of it since it would not harm them, on the contrary it would improve their chances of winningLeon888 said: but i never understood why demon hunters don't use poison in battle? Although it is not essential it would greatly increase their chances of winning and they could sprinkle it on the blade just like Shinobu did... I really don't understand why the only ones using poison are Shinobu with his sword and Tengen with his Kunais, when everyone could make use of it ? beheading the demon is easier & more effective... and then there's gyomei πππ stronger demons can decompose the poison. u will understand this in a few arcs that's not true uppermoons all die if u behead them while using RB. |
Aug 26, 2023 11:37 AM
#43
Leon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: oh well you're so stupid that you don't even notice that I replied to everyone, not just you, lolLeon888 said: LucenProject said: you are absolutely right, in fact I really don't understand why they don't use it since it increases their probability of winningUnless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. I explained why it's useless so don't ignore me lol well you're stupid for still trying to debate this when the person u just agreed with literally admitted that I was right |
Aug 26, 2023 11:40 AM
#44
Leon888 said: chinmay23 said: but this is bullshit, only superior demons are resistant to poison but they too suffer the effects if you infuse them poison continuously, just see Tanjiro who was able to stop Gyutaro with only a poisoned kunai...lolpoison is really easy to decompose for the upper moons. they can easily decompose and find the cute of it lol. The reason why shinobu is the only one to fight using poison is simply because she's weak and can't fight normally Poison is really weak against demons if the demons are on a weaker level than the upper moons then the hashiras have no problem taking care of them so obviously they would decline taking help from shinobu. Tanjiro using the poison kunai only helped him for a mere seconds and its also because gyutaro was overconfident. Also want to mention that most hashira can be said to be self proclaimed 'strongest' so they would refuse help from any way or they are just too good at their skills and would refuse to use any inferior techniques to demote themselves. Mitsuri and muichiro are oblivious to these things prior to swordsmith village arc |
Aug 26, 2023 11:40 AM
#45
Leon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: alright you just shoot bullshit, first point is the katana smiths he knows how to infuse poison into katanas, Shinobu has only modified the scabbard to use more types of poison against demons, second because it would be disadvantageous to infuse poison into the blades of other demons slayer ? you increase their chances of winning and although crescent moons are more resistant to poison they are not totally immune to it...there is no valid point why hunters can't use poison on them and Shinobu isn't the only one to knowing how to create it since even Tengen with his wives used poisoned Kunai, so stop saying bullshit that you only look worse lolLucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: GYATyoruichi said: LucenProject said: Unless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. the uppers can decompose poison so that's why it's utterly useless to carry poison when u can just behead the demon Decomposition sounds toe like it takes a little time. Is that wrong? If it's not instant decomposition, then does it have an effect until it is decomposed? idk what u mean but it took a certain demon less than a minute to decompose shinobus poison completely. that wouldn't be the case if u beheaded the person with red blade. so it's ultimately better without poison unless u do the kamikaze method that I won't spoil I mean, poison doesn't have to kill the demon to be useful. It's a fight for survival and the Hashira, according to the show, are at a significant disadvantage to the top 12 demons. If poison disadvantages their opponent in anyway, they should use it, if only to create an opening, distraction, annoyance, anything, even if it's not lethal. Feints don't knock people out themselves, but they are still used in fights for a reason. it's only better for support but we're talking about which 1 is better overall. it's better to be a normal swordsman in a 1v1 than be a poison user in a 1v1. that's why nobody but shinobu uses poison. it doesn't matter how u twist it it will never be better than beheading the demon like normally. You should read the original post again. Your argument of Poison vs Beheading is cool, but the conversation is about ADDING poison usage to non-poison users. In otherwords, you're telling X > Y when we're discussing (X +Y) > X. and I'm telling u that adding poison to them would be utter bs & useless None of your supporting arguments actually supported that point. They supported beheading is great poison because poison is decomposed and beheading is greater than poison because poison techniques used to fight towards beheading can unlock red sword. But you didn't explain clearly that poisoning to get an easier (not easy, just easier) opening for beheading isn't a viable strategy. That's why I asked about decomposition time and effect poison has before complete decomposition. Further, unless using poison then beheading actually reduces the chance of getting red sword, it doesn't have any disadvantage compared to beheading without poison either. It's fine for you to tell whatever you want, but in discussion expect need to actually, and appropriately, back up your assertions. easy. poison is for fodder demons. useless for stronger demons. when I say useless I mean it. it's stupid to waste so much material just for it to have no effect on stronger demons. once again no matter how u twist this argument u will never give a valid reason why it's better for others to use poison. not to mention there's no one but shinobu who knows how to make wisteria poison so if anyone wanted to use wisteria poison they wouldn't know how to do that + shinobu wouldn't help them since she quite literally doesn't have the time for that since she's been working on a different thing all these years. so yeah. 2 reasons. it's useless & there's no one to make the wisteria poison oh yeah you're so full of shit the moment u said that. since when could swordsmiths create poison. give me 1 panel or scene from the manga,anime,LN or databooks where that is proven. if ur gonna say shit like that then back it up with source. the only known people in the whole verse capable of creating wisteria poison is shinobu. the only characters known to make any poison at all is shinobu & Tamayo & that's literally it. ur so much in denial that even the people ur agreeing with are agreeing with me whereas ur still staying in denial |
Aug 27, 2023 12:35 AM
#46
It's useless the upper ranks regenerate to fast it doesn't even slow them down the advantage of using poison is miniscule. It literally takes only seconds for them to decompose it except for the lower demons that are easy to kill with just a regular sword. It took obscene amounts of poison for Shinubu to weeaken the one she fights. It's just not worth it to even try. It takes everybody and then some to defeat them, the uppermoons are beyond OP!! |
BentBlueAug 27, 2023 12:49 AM
Aug 27, 2023 1:11 AM
#47
GYATyoruichi said: Seems like he was just looking for someone to agree with the same answer he already had in his head before asking the question. Leon888 said: GYATyoruichi said: Leon888 said: LucenProject said: you are absolutely right, in fact I really don't understand why they don't use it since it increases their probability of winningUnless the reason is "insanely hard to make" there isn't a good reason. Even then, every Hashira should have some in case they fight one of the top 12. Separately, they should be like Johnny Appleseed with planting Wisteria everywhere. I explained why it's useless so don't ignore me lol well you're stupid for still trying to debate this when the person u just agreed with literally admitted that I was right Also, logically speaking, it would be incredibly stupid to give a controlled substance like that to every rank and file demon slayer, so that once they die, Muzan has access to the poison and will create an antidote for it to make himself and all future demons immune. There goes Shinobu's entire existence as a Hashira. Additionally, Shinobu's weapon and fighting style are literally made for injecting poison into the bloodstream. Normal katana are not made for that. Even if you cut someone there's no guarantee that it will get into the bloodstream. So what, retrain the entire Corps to use weaponry they'll die with anyway? And of course, all the other reasons this forum provided. It sounds like a good idea on paper, but the risk drastically outweighs the potential benefit. |
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Aug 27, 2023 6:06 AM
#48
they don't use poison for the sake of plot if the used poison we wouldn't have gotten those amazing fight scenes |
Aug 27, 2023 8:56 AM
#49
They don't use poison because it would be too overpowered π |
Aug 27, 2023 1:58 PM
#50
As some people stated, poison is expensive to produce and stronger demons are more resistant to it. Shinobu is using it because she has little alternative. An average hasbira simply doesn't need it to defeat a demon that is susceptible to it. |
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