PurpleMario said: Idk, I prefer it this way. I understand why writers tend to "hint" you about the true intentions of the characters, but real world is nothing like that. The truth is, you never know people entirely, and the only thing we knew about Robin was the idealized version of him that we knew through an infant eyes. Psychopaths don't go here and there with a "psychopath face", they are just plain evil when noone is watching. I couldn't have agreed more with you |
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| I feel disgusted with this, also I should have seen this coming when the sick mangaka depicted pregnant kids. |
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| Yeah, I agree. This was a pretty solid anime for the last 11 episodes, but episode 12 was just... ugh. The r**e scene made me feel sick to my stomach. |
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Neidhardt_ said: I think the OP refers to Tokio.PirateHasan said: I feel disgusted with this, also I should have seen this coming when the sick mangaka depicted pregnant kids. depicted pregnant kids? |
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PirateHasan said: Tokio is 14. It is too young by modern standards indeed but it happens and was probably the norm in many civilisations. I don't think it's a good thing in itself but why would a storyteller need to skip something that has been widespread for most of humanity life on earth?I feel disgusted with this, also I should have seen this coming when the sick mangaka depicted pregnant kids. You guys always seem to consider that an artist depicts only things he supports or endorse. That's obviously not true. |
| Generally I think people usually exaggerate when it comes to sexual violince. The scene imo was not that extrem. Even if I weren't into rape (I like it in hentai) I would not have found it "disturbing" or anything like that. There is a lot of physical violence that is more harmful to the chars. Where people don't get crazy. The stuff with the girl on the machines (nothing of the body left) few episodes ago - felt much "heavier" mood-wise. Keep in mind that it is usually about the mental health consequences. And depending on the circumstances some rape stuff might worse than others + other crimes without sex involved can have similar or even more troublesome consecuences. Easiest example might be a hostage situation - where the persons also are almost guarantueed to get trauma ... having to fear to die and to experience something like that again. It is not automatically the sex getting aded that makes stuff worse. Always depends on the circumstances. Biggest thing might be the trust issue here - with Robin beign having been the trusted friend so far .. then turning 180 into evil. I agree with the foreshadowing stuff though. This could be bad writing - unless they later give more info about the background of Robin. Until they shoved him evil-faced in episode 12 ... there were no hints regarding this. Which felt especially odd since they hinted for a lot of others stuff for the viewer (not necessarily for the chars that don't know all the info and puzzle pieces that we know since we know about both timelines/settings). |
Luthandorius said: I'll say it as often as needed : you're aware that most rapes in the real world are perpetrated by family members, many of them having a great social reputation and professional situations (lawyers, doctors, etc.)Until they shoved him evil-faced in episode 12 ... there were no hints regarding this. Which felt especially odd since they hinted for a lot of others stuff for the viewer (not necessarily for the chars that don't know all the info and puzzle pieces that we know since we know about both timelines/settings). The discovery of them being a rapist usually comes to a shock for all their acquaintances. So there's absolutely no reason why it couldn't be the same for Robin. After all, the little information we have about him is from third parties, we have very few direct scenes showing him in action directly. |
| Of course. That is why I added my part with the chars not knowing. For them it makes sense. For the viewers though (they can have more info) the anime gave hints and stuff - at least for other things (like in the facility where stuff can be linked to other evennts outside). Might be though that the plot just focused trying to hint stuff exclusively for things that were tied to the faclity. (+Robing not having had and connection to there.) For later exploration (since it is an important char) it would make sense to give a info on what he dit while the 2 mains in the outside world were traveling. |
Luthandorius said: The author is clearly playing with his readers / audience. There are topics where there is foreshadowing, others which don't and are dropped suddenly onto them.For later exploration (since it is an important char) it would make sense to give a info on what he dit while the 2 mains in the outside world were traveling. This one is heavy, for sure, but I don't think the way it is written is due to any sloppiness or lazyness: it's consciously done for reason. Of course, this opinion is valid if we end up getting more insight in the future on Robin and his actions and choices. If we don't, I'll revise my judgement. :-) |
| If you pay closer attention, you'll notice that it wasn't that Robin just wanted to bust a nut, but for whatever reason he wanted to humiliate Kiruko by giving him a front row seat to see his beloved sister being defiled and violated. |
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Angglio_1 said: then your complaint is completely pointless. you just needed to pay more attention.It came out of nowhere. No subtle hints or foreshadowing suggesting it there plenty of hints and red flags. even more than usual. |
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Mattinator95 said: Robin used to do it with her before the brain swap apparently, apparently they hinted towards in the flashback episode where you see two sets of hands holding. But heard it’s more noticeable in the manga due to the sound effects things on panels etc A flashback? In what episode was that? |
So that brief hand holding in the flashback in episode 3 wasn't in the manga, it was added in the anime, and the part about it being more noticeable in the manga because of the sound effect things, I think he is referring to a different flash back we haven't seen yet, he might have gotten them confused. |
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| I think we have to wait a little while to see how well it works with the story. As for how problematic the scene is, at least it isn't like Goblin Slayer or Redo of Healer where rapes are only used for shock value and sexualized like hentai. |
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