| it is abstract at times, and it's all the better for it. It's the best I have seen this type of anime be, and while I wouldn't call it anime of the decade, it's certainly up there. |
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Neohitler said: It's sad how your post is already getting attacked by eager fans. Sonny boy is like the clothing in Emperor's New Clothes. "If you don't think it's a masterpiece, you didn't understand. It has so much depth and it's telling a very touching tale" And a lot of elitists fall into the trap. Because an Anime takes a rare approach to telling a story, it must automatically be a masterpiece and people who do not appreciate it do not understand it. There is such a thing as trying too hard. this is dumb. you can't call any abstract or complicated show elitist purely because it doesn't spoon feed you and leaves some things for interpretation. sonny boy is not just another artsy anime, I think it's the best artsy anime. not everything that is different is good true, but this very clearly is. and if you can't see why this type of show is simply not for you. no fan of art house media would think of this as elitist. it's dumb to think only shows like this can reach the peak of story telling, but it's just as dumb to cut these short because they are different. |
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King_KK said: I think the plot was done well enough, it answered the mystery of how they got there in a very non-obscure and satisfying way, and had an extremely fitting ending that tied everything that it needed to tie together.Sonny Boy didn't lacked depth. It had a lot of themes that it was trying to explore. What Sonny Boy lacked however was good characters and a meaningful plot progression. Sonny Boy was more interested in exploring all kinds of themes than it was in actually telling a story. Overall it just felt like a failed attempt at creating a masterpiece to me. the cast as is huge, but a good chunk of the characters had complex philosophies and mindsets with complete character arcs. it's no odd taxi in the sense having a full big cast of complete characters in only 12 episodes, but still, it's extremely unfair to say it didn't have good characters. |
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kizumi91 said: pretentious is a show that pretends to be more than what it actually is.Great idea and concept but poor execution, overall a pretentious show with such horrible characters, using the atypical artstyle only to cover its flaws in writing. and for all it's artistic story telling choices, sonny boy had many complex ideologies, visual story telling, philosophical themes and symbolism to match it. and those weren't used randomly either, all those elements work together to add to the main theme of the show, which is growing up and getting to the real world. if you actually look, you will realize that the artsy aspects are all there for a reason, and a lot of them are not even left for interpretation. the only way you could think this, is if you saw the show was artsy, and made 0 effort to see if it actually delivers on that, or that's actually there to cover the writing. which could not have been further from the truth. |
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Apolygon2 said: kizumi91 said: pretentious is a show that pretends to be more than what it actually is.Great idea and concept but poor execution, overall a pretentious show with such horrible characters, using the atypical artstyle only to cover its flaws in writing. and for all it's artistic story telling choices, sonny boy had many complex ideologies, visual story telling, philosophical themes and symbolism to match it. and those weren't used randomly either, all those elements work together to add to the main theme of the show, which is growing up and getting to the real world. if you actually look, you will realize that the artsy aspects are all there for a reason, and a lot of them are not even left for interpretation. the only way you could think this, is if you saw the show was artsy, and made 0 effort to see if it actually delivers on that, or that's actually there to cover the writing. which could not have been further from the truth. The most crucial thing in Anime or any fiction is the narrative. No matter how deep and complex of ideology or philosophy you intend to convey, if the narrative is lackluster, insipid, and confusing then your story nearly doesn't have any value. And this is the case with Sonny Boy, both character, story are all over the place and incoherent. Too many questions remain without any proper explanation. There're other shows which also have tons of unanswered questions but they actually provide subtle hints throughout the series that viewers can infer from them. That's why I call Sonny Boy a pretentious show. Did you watch Devil Man? It has a similar artstyle to this Anime but the narrative and storytelling are way better. Also I want to recommend Madoka Rebellion and Mononoke for impressive visual. |
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Apolygon2 said: I wasn't left satisfied with the narrative at all. I felt a lot of plot elements that were introduced were not used to their full potential and even abandoned. I prefer more tight knitted stories than more open to interpretation one's. Sonny Boy's storyline while decent left me with a bitter aftertaste.King_KK said: I think the plot was done well enough, it answered the mystery of how they got there in a very non-obscure and satisfying way, and had an extremely fitting ending that tied everything that it needed to tie together.Sonny Boy didn't lacked depth. It had a lot of themes that it was trying to explore. What Sonny Boy lacked however was good characters and a meaningful plot progression. Sonny Boy was more interested in exploring all kinds of themes than it was in actually telling a story. Overall it just felt like a failed attempt at creating a masterpiece to me. the cast as is huge, but a good chunk of the characters had complex philosophies and mindsets with complete character arcs. it's no odd taxi in the sense having a full big cast of complete characters in only 12 episodes, but still, it's extremely unfair to say it didn't have good characters. As for the characters, that's where Sonny Boy completely lost me. None of the characters were even remotely interesting. All of them felt more like vessels to explore various themes rather than real people. The black haired girl was probably the best character and the only one that I liked. For me characters are the most important aspect of a show and if a show fails to invest me in it's characters than I have a hard time enjoying it. Overall I came out of Sonny Boy with it leaving no impact on me as a person. It felt like watching some philosophy lecture than a TV show. It had interesting ideas and themes but the way it decided to handle them was just not engaging enough for me. If it had more interesting and engaging characters than Sonny Boy could have been an absolute masterpiece for me because I usually like this kind of avant garde shows. |
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kizumi91 said: Apolygon2 said: pretentious is a show that pretends to be more than what it actually is. and for all it's artistic story telling choices, sonny boy had many complex ideologies, visual story telling, philosophical themes and symbolism to match it. and those weren't used randomly either, all those elements work together to add to the main theme of the show, which is growing up and getting to the real world. if you actually look, you will realize that the artsy aspects are all there for a reason, and a lot of them are not even left for interpretation. the only way you could think this, is if you saw the show was artsy, and made 0 effort to see if it actually delivers on that, or that's actually there to cover the writing. which could not have been further from the truth. The most crucial thing in Anime or any fiction is the narrative. No matter how deep and complex of ideology or philosophy you intend to convey, if the narrative is lackluster, insipid, and confusing then your story nearly doesn't have any value. And this is the case with Sonny Boy, both character, story are all over the place and incoherent. Too many questions remain without any proper explanation. There're other shows which also have tons of unanswered questions but they actually provide subtle hints throughout the series that viewers can infer from them. That's why I call Sonny Boy a pretentious show. Did you watch Devil Man? It has a similar artstyle to this Anime but the narrative and storytelling are way better. Also I want to recommend Madoka Rebellion and Mononoke for impressive visual. Then you simply don't like these types of shows in general. sonny boy is by nature is different from devil man or madoka. it should be compared to things like serial experiments lain and evangelion, which I personally think are not as good as it. for me evangelion while depicts the feeling of depression like no other piece, it's half nonsensical story and unrelated or meaningless symbolism, heavy loads of purposely extra confusing info dumps and plot armor in the tv series, stop it from being on par with sonny boy. and lain while arguably having the better story and being just as good looking, is simply too much of a slow ride for no reason even if for a fan of slow burners like me. and if you think the sonny boy characters are bad for being mainly exploration of certain ideologies, then you would HATE lain. actually I'm surprised you like madoka me saying it's different. and keep in mind rebellion is one of my favorite movies. madoka's characters are also mainly just ideologies. I guess their character arcs parallel and are a little more complex, which I would argue sonny boy kind of makes up for by them having more complex personalities but still. at their core while still different the character writing is fairly similar. but yeah to me it seems like you just don't like the type of show. which is fair enough. the best slice of life would still not be good in the eyes of someone who hates the genre. |
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Neohitler said: Apolygon2 said: this is dumb. you can't call any abstract or complicated show elitist purely because it doesn't spoon feed you and leaves some things for interpretation. sonny boy is not just another artsy anime, I think it's the best artsy anime. not everything that is different is good true, but this very clearly is. and if you can't see why this type of show is simply not for you. no fan of art house media would think of this as elitist. it's dumb to think only shows like this can reach the peak of story telling, but it's just as dumb to cut these short because they are different. Bruh... I've watched and read a fair amount of actually good stories that don't "spoon feed" you. I have no issues with it, my issue is when people try to act like there's something really important in hidden messages when the author is just confused and trying to things look more complicated than it is because they know that once someone sees references it's automatically deep. There is no set up for anything, it's just random bullshit and the story does not take the form of an anthology so not having a coherent plot is a massive minus. You should be able to piece everything together as necessary for leading up to the ending in a story. Tf does monkeys playing baseball have to do with any other thing and why did I have to listen to it for minutes? Tf did the Lord of the flies references have to do with how they escape? ok you're not going to like this, but now that you wrote this I actually have to say the "you didn't get it" line. this is probably evangelion's fault for being what you described and making everyone believe every artsy show is like that. which for eva is fine, because what makes that show so good is it's depiction of certain feelings, not it's complex story or symbolism. but it doesn't matter. in stories like sonny boy, it's important to understand what is left for interpretation, and what is straight up said. and in sonny boy's core message, is VERY much so straight up said. it's a show about growing up, and getting into the real world. it's an adolescence story at it's center. all those stand alone stories, while being partly left as a mystery, are very much so not random. as an example, the most seemingly random thing, the monkey baseball, is far from being pointless. the only reason you may have not noticed this, is because it's told with monkeys. at it's core it's about certain ideologies. "the very world shifted for the ball to hit" they said. the monkey who said the ball didn't hit was beaten to death. but he stood his ground despite knowing the outcome of the match would be the same. when you hear that story, there are multiple interpretations that you can take from it, true. but then, you hear briefly what the characters think about the story and how they see it. and THAT is certain information. when you hear nozomi admire the monkey that got killed by the audience, and hear her reason for it, that gives you a lot of insight to her way of thinking. it's not random, it's developing the characters and making you understand them, the same way a therapist would give someone one of those obscure images and asks them "what you see?" that's essentially what is happening, there is a "left for interpretation" type story, that makes you learn more about the characters by knowing how they interpreted it or what they took from it. it's not just good, it's also extremely smart. and you can not deny any of it. I also remember there was something essential related to the "antagonist" of the episode when it came to that story, but it's been a while so I don't exactly remember and i don't want to give you bullshit information. point is, even the most seemingly random thing in the show, was not random. don't get me wrong, the show 100% has some things that are left unanswered or are weird or confusing without explanation. but they are carefully planted seeds that give the world a feeling of being bigger than just this story, they aren't everything. as an example, the entire character of "war" was left for you to have an interpretation of. there is almost no certain answer relating to him, only theories. but you would be a fool to think the entire show is like that. |
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King_KK said: Apolygon2 said: I wasn't left satisfied with the narrative at all. I felt a lot of plot elements that were introduced were not used to their full potential and even abandoned. I prefer more tight knitted stories than more open to interpretation one's. Sonny Boy's storyline while decent left me with a bitter aftertaste.I think the plot was done well enough, it answered the mystery of how they got there in a very non-obscure and satisfying way, and had an extremely fitting ending that tied everything that it needed to tie together. the cast as is huge, but a good chunk of the characters had complex philosophies and mindsets with complete character arcs. it's no odd taxi in the sense having a full big cast of complete characters in only 12 episodes, but still, it's extremely unfair to say it didn't have good characters. As for the characters, that's where Sonny Boy completely lost me. None of the characters were even remotely interesting. All of them felt more like vessels to explore various themes rather than real people. The black haired girl was probably the best character and the only one that I liked. For me characters are the most important aspect of a show and if a show fails to invest me in it's characters than I have a hard time enjoying it. Overall I came out of Sonny Boy with it leaving no impact on me as a person. It felt like watching some philosophy lecture than a TV show. It had interesting ideas and themes but the way it decided to handle them was just not engaging enough for me. If it had more interesting and engaging characters than Sonny Boy could have been an absolute masterpiece for me because I usually like this kind of avant garde shows. I mean, fair enough. I think sonny boy had a more straight forward story than most shows in the genre, but it undeniably left a lot things unanswered as well. I think that helped the world feel bigger than just this story, and everything that was essential was answered. but I can see how someone can dislike that as well. I'm not sure about the characters. I personally thought they had although nothing too extreme, had really interesting personalities as well. but I guess finding the characters "interesting" is very subjective, so I can't exactly say you're wrong. If it didn't leave an impact, then something here just didn't work for you. |
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| this show is genuinely awful and the only people that i see praise it constantly speak in broken english. surely there's some sort of symbolism there. |
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| fuck that this was a masterpiece smh at these plebs |
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