| Yhwach was introduced in episode 1, slaughtered multiple fodder characters using the Sternritter, we get barely any background to the suffering he went through by the hand of Yamamoto yet we are supposed to be emotionally invested in this "thousand year" grudge? It seems like Yamamoto was only brought in to emphasize on the power Yhwach carries. The only successful attempt at character drama I have seen Bleach manage is in the fullbringer arc, when we see Ichigo break down. But we all know that it is one of the worst arcs in shounen history next to 4GNW from naruto, since it threw away all that emotional build up just to bring back the Gotei 13 because they are what carry Bleach. Bleach fans will use the excuse that there is a lot of depth but it's not for "surface level" readers when in reality they over analyze bad writing to make it seem good. What are your guys thoughts? |
RoronoaNov 17, 2022 12:06 PM
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| Before anyone brings One Piece into the conversation. I want to compare it to what I am talking about using Dressrosa. Doflamingo took over the throne 8 years ago before the series started. Yet we receive multiple backstory flashbacks to see how this 8 year grudge first commenced between Kyros/Dressrosa Kingdom and Doflamingo, we found out what both sides have lost throughout their life, making it a lot more dramatic and climatic. THESE ARE SIDE CHARACTERS that are actually given depth, which is what we should have received with Yamamoto |
RoronoaNov 17, 2022 12:09 PM
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| I don't think bleach is good at world building as one piece like even ichigo's father being shinigami came out of nowhere with much prior foreshadowing. But lets not talk as one piece as some perfect thing, oda foddered everyone whose name is not Kozuki, scabbard or oruchi in wano |
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|Adampk said: I don't think bleach is good at world building as one piece like even ichigo's father being shinigami came out of nowhere with much prior foreshadowing. But lets not talk as one piece is some perfect thing, oda foddered everyone whose name is not Kozuki, scabbard or oruchi in wano I am not pretending One Piece presents everything perfectly, but you are a One Piece fan who can acknowledge the flaws instead of denying any form of criticism. |
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Decader said: Roronoa said: Yhwach was introduced in episode 1, slaughtered multiple fodder characters using the Sternritter, we get barely any background to the suffering he went through by the hand of Yamamoto yet we are supposed to be emotionally invested in this "thousand year" grudge? It seems like Yamamoto was only brought in to emphasize on the power Yhwach carries. The only successful attempt at character drama I have seen Bleach manage is in the fullbringer arc, when we see Ichigo break down. But we all know that it is one of the worst arcs in shounen history next to 4GNW from naruto, since it threw away all that emotional build up just to bring back the Gotei 13 because they are what carry Bleach. Bleach fans will use the excuse that there is a lot of depth but it's not for "surface level" readers when in reality they over analyze bad writing to make it seem good. What are your guys thoughts? Kubo answered that on his website a few months ago: "In most cases, revealing the villain's past is done so that the reader can empathize with them and feel sympathy. I'm not a fan of this trope so I don't make use of it. All characters possess different values, but I believe that the harder it is to accept the gap between them, the greater the villain becomes." We didn't get Yhwach's buildup because it simply isn't Kubo's style to tell stories. We should respect that. Kubo likes to tell stories through actions and often throws in some little hints. That's the whole point. We aren't supposed to be emotionally invested in his grudge. He had multiple ANTAGONIST flashbacks for previous arcs, Soul Society with Kenpachi and Byakuya. Arrancar with Grimmjow and Stark. Where is the consistency in his logic? Not to mention that because they were given that sort of background, they ended up becoming many people's favorite. |
RoronoaNov 17, 2022 12:21 PM
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peint said: Adampk said: I don't think bleach is good at world building as one piece like even ichigo's father being shinigami came out of nowhere with much prior foreshadowing. But lets not talk as one piece as some perfect thing, oda foddered everyone whose name is not Kozuki, scabbard or oruchi in wano Isshin being a Shinigami was definitely foreshadowed way before the reveal. As far as I remember, he never called Kon in Ichigo form “Ichigo” bc he knew Ichigo’s soul wasn’t inside. Pretty sure there are other glimpse of foreshadowing as well That's way too subtle. It may be one of his ideas in mind. But he didn't integrate that into the story properly regardless. |
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Animorphimagi said: I think Bleach has the most subtext of any series ever made. It is never outright stated what it's like to live hundreds of years with minimal drama, and then Ichigo shows up and pulls his stunt, and then in thr middle of that you find out someone you knew for a few hundred years was a super traitor and killed all of you high government officials to manipulate your whole country(which is like 30 square miles. I was shocked to get any backstory for Yamamoto because at the end of the day he's simply the symbol for what Soul Society has been since its inception, with Ichigo representing a change after all this time. (ichigo/Aizen and yamamoto also can be seen as a representation of pre-WW2 Japan vs post ww2 Japan). This all might sound like it's reaching, but I can't even imagine doing this for Naruto, My Hero Academia, or Soul Eater. Bleach pulls inspiration from a lot of sources, and while the story itself is basic, the thoughtfulness for how it was made is very mind blowing. I respect the investment you have for the series. When it comes to the parallels between the series and WWII did you recognize that while digesting the anime/manga itself or by researching different interpretations? You said you cannot see that for series such as My Hero or Naruto, but you should know that there are definitely fans who have their own interpretations and make it seem much more in depth than it is. |
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Decader said: Roronoa said: He had multiple ANTAGONIST flashbacks for previous arcs, Soul Society with Kenpachi and Byakuya. Arrancar with Grimmjow and Stark. Where is the consistency in his logic? Not to mention that because they were given that sort of background, they ended up becoming many people's favorite. Well he obviously doesn't treat Byakuya, Kenpachi, Starrk and Grimmjow as villains. But if you read what I was talking about I am not talking solely about the characters, I want to be invested into the plot itself but it makes little effort. Also I am pretty sure Yhwach does have a backstory later in the story if I'm not wrong? |
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| What exactly you are trying to accomplish with a thread like this? |
| Well I guess some people enjoy learning about characters by their actions in the present. I cant really see why people think that if character didn't have a sad or depressing backstory isn't a good written character. Also I'd rather not have a backstory than have it be 40 episodes long... |
Faceleze said: miros said: What exactly you are trying to accomplish with a thread like this? Probably just to get people to say things to feed his ego like "wow you are so right, i as a bleach fan have nothing on fans from other cultured animes such as yourself". You can find people like this in many fandoms sadly. If you look through the thread I reply to people who happen to disagree with me, the goal is discussion which is what half of the people complain about not having enough of when there's review bombing threads. |
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Decader said: Kubo answered that on his website a few months ago:[...] Roronoa said: He had multiple ANTAGONIST flashbacks for previous arcs, Soul Society with Kenpachi and Byakuya. Arrancar with Grimmjow and Stark. Where is the consistency in his logic? Not to mention that because they were given that sort of background, they ended up becoming many people's favorite. Villains. Not Antagonists. Byakuya and Kenpachi are not Villains. Grimmjow, Starrk, Barragan and Nnoitra -> It was short stuff to simply show the aspect they represent as each Espada represent different aspects of death. Aizen, Ginjo and Yhwach who were the main Villains they were never shown in the past with flashbacks what made them decide to do what they've done. Anything you'll see about them is when they were already making aggressive/plots/schemes/other actions in order to prepare for future. The earliest Aizen we see is in Pendulum Arc when he was making already Hollowfication Experiments and when he has ordered people to hurt/experiment on Matsumoto which Gin has witnessed those are the earliest stuff on Aizen, there is nothing else. Earliest from Yhwach is simply a recall of a very short panel of how he fought Yamamoto 1k years ago aswell as at Bazz-B x Jugram flashbacks. Yhwach has attacked with Licht Empire the Soul Society 1k years ago, there was no talking between Quincies and Shinigami's just pure invasion when they had only baisc Quincies abilities, with basic Reishi absorption, Letz Still and Hirenkyaku. While Shinigami already had the same stuff they do now, which is Shikai and Bankai. There is no detail on how many Shinigami were killed back than. Yhwach never cared for his teammates and as Yamamoto said that Yhwach is the one who mercilessly killed his comrades cause he sent them to death 1k years ago. As you've had from the intro Yhwach had around 90 years of preparation while observing everything what has happened in Bleach plot, he is prepared to invade and it is not due to the grudge for Shinigamis he has something else in mind connected to Soul King which will be shown later aswell as how merciless he is. [Shinigamis existed were earlier than Gotei 13 as Gotei 13 was founded slightly before that war]. As Senjumaru Shutara the member of Squad 0 [ who is most likely older than Gotei 13 og captains but it is unknown so far] will say something like this [Translating from my Polish version of manga] "Aizen Sousuke for a certain is the incarnation of evil, but remember about one thing ***** ****** Quincy... are way worse" The plot is very hidden. For example as the age of Senjumaru and when she joined Squad 0 is never said but according to the Og Gotei 13 and splash art which was 2 days ago revealed they wear shihakusho which is her invention, so it means that she was a part of organisation which was before Gotei 13 or was one of the criminals/merciless killers [Yes original Captains of Gotei 13 were a bunch of thugs, criminals and killers.] Plot in Bleach is very often hidden and not said directly you just need to see through the text/context. By observing everything. As I sometimes say Bleach is just the Dark Soul's of Anime, You either spend time into analysing to understand the plot or either you hate it. To put it in nutshell Aizen and Yhwach both wants to go to Royal Palace - Soul King, to achive something different. While Ginjo wanted to have back Soul Repear powers merged with his Fullbring one and made a revenge on Gotei 13 more specifically on Ukitake -> Transferal of Soul Reaper powers are temporal so as he was the First Substitute Shinigami he lost his powers. Fullbring is the different type of power which he has learnt. For example each squad has a different represantation not only flowers. They also have recruitment brochure and some additional stuff. You only need to spend time to read it and find information instead of wanting the anime to introduce and say every single information already for you. Bleach anime is like the teacher/proffessor in University. It will tell you the basic knowledge, premises and the initial data of what you need to know. But same as for university you are the one who need to study not the proffessor, same is here if you want to know more about the world and lore you need to find it through data books/manga/illustrations/klub outside etc. That's all what I can say. Like you're trying to say everything about Yhwach who is the main villain for 4 cours and 52 episode. You've seen so far 5 and you speak mainly about the first one, expecting that all the information from 52 episodes will be given to you in the first episode. Keep calm and wait for the more information to be given to you. Adampk said: I don't think bleach is good at world building as one piece like even ichigo's father being shinigami came out of nowhere with much prior foreshadowing. But lets not talk as one piece as some perfect thing, oda foddered everyone whose name is not Kozuki, scabbard or oruchi in wano It was foreshadowed just people forgets about it. OMZ [He had blurred name - soon will be explanation why] during the training with Urahara back in the Substitute Shinigami arc before Soul Society arc said that Byakuya has understimated Ichigo because he wounded his --ehhh forgot the name of it but there is a specific place in soul which contains Shinigami power if you wound that you will lose the Shinigami powers, you can find it also when Ishida was confronting Jirobo from 7th division when he said that he wounded him exactly at this place and he will wake up as a normal soul without Shinigami Powers, so Byakuya did the same to Ichigo, expecting that he will lose his powers and simply bleed out or someone will help him out or whatever. But as OMZ said it was an understimation cause he stated that Ichigo has naturally Shinigami Powers, so... Do you need to say it 2-3 more times about it? So you'll notice that foreshadow/build up or not. Especially that alot of stuff during that arc were foreshadowing, the Hollow Masc - Soon real answers. If ya think I've made somewhere a mistake or missunderstood than feel free to write it down/expand your view. |
ZettaikenNov 17, 2022 2:34 PM
Roronoa said: Yhwach was introduced in episode 1, slaughtered multiple fodder characters using the Sternritter, we get barely any background to the suffering he went through by the hand of Yamamoto yet we are supposed to be emotionally invested in this "thousand year" grudge? It seems like Yamamoto was only brought in to emphasize on the power Yhwach carries. The only successful attempt at character drama I have seen Bleach manage is in the fullbringer arc, when we see Ichigo break down. But we all know that it is one of the worst arcs in shounen history next to 4GNW from naruto, since it threw away all that emotional build up just to bring back the Gotei 13 because they are what carry Bleach. Bleach fans will use the excuse that there is a lot of depth but it's not for "surface level" readers when in reality they over analyze bad writing to make it seem good. What are your guys thoughts? Personally I like it. It's different than the points you listed and it's been hinted at throughout the story the differences between soul reapers and quinces. It's like we are learning about it through uryu who also doesn't know anything, so as he finds out information we also find out. It mightn't be the best and bleach has a lot of issues but I find it new and refreshing. |
 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓯𝓪𝓴𝓮 𝓲𝓼 𝓸𝓯 𝓰𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓮𝓻 𝓿𝓪𝓵𝓾𝓮. 𝓘𝓷 𝓲𝓽𝓼 𝓭𝓮𝓵𝓲𝓫𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓽𝓮 𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓮𝓶𝓹𝓽 𝓽𝓸 𝓫𝓮 𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓵, 𝓲𝓽𝓼 𝓶𝓸𝓻𝓮 𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓵 𝓽𝓱𝓪𝓷 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓵 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓰. |
Zettaiken said: Decader said: Kubo answered that on his website a few months ago:[...] Roronoa said: He had multiple ANTAGONIST flashbacks for previous arcs, Soul Society with Kenpachi and Byakuya. Arrancar with Grimmjow and Stark. Where is the consistency in his logic? Not to mention that because they were given that sort of background, they ended up becoming many people's favorite. Villains. Not Antagonists. Byakuya and Kenpachi are not Villains. Grimmjow, Starrk, Barragan and Nnoitra -> It was short stuff to simply show the aspect they represent as each Espada represent different aspects of death. Aizen, Ginjo and Yhwach who were the main Villains they were never shown in the past with flashbacks what made them decide to do what they've done. Anything you'll see about them is when they were already making aggressive/plots/schemes/other actions in order to prepare for future. The earliest Aizen we see is in Pendulum Arc when he was making already Hollowfication Experiments and when he has ordered people to hurt/experiment on Matsumoto which Gin has witnessed those are the earliest stuff on Aizen, there is nothing else. Earliest from Yhwach is simply a recall of a very short panel of how he fought Yamamoto 1k years ago aswell as at Bazz-B x Jugram flashbacks. Yhwach has attacked with Licht Empire the Soul Society 1k years ago, there was no talking between Quincies and Shinigami's just pure invasion when they had only baisc Quincies abilities, with basic Reishi absorption, Letz Still and Hirenkyaku. While Shinigami already had the same stuff they do now, which is Shikai and Bankai. There is no detail on how many Shinigami were killed back than. Yhwach never cared for his teammates and as Yamamoto said that Yhwach is the one who mercilessly killed his comrades cause he sent them to death 1k years ago. As you've had from the intro Yhwach had around 90 years of preparation while observing everything what has happened in Bleach plot, he is prepared to invade and it is not due to the grudge for Shinigamis he has something else in mind connected to Soul King which will be shown later aswell as how merciless he is. [Shinigamis existed were earlier than Gotei 13 as Gotei 13 was founded slightly before that war]. As Senjumaru Shutara the member of Squad 0 [ who is most likely older than Gotei 13 og captains but it is unknown so far] will say something like this [Translating from my Polish version of manga] "Aizen Sousuke for a certain is the incarnation of evil, but remember about one thing ***** ****** Quincy... are way worse" The plot is very hidden. For example as the age of Senjumaru and when she joined Squad 0 is never said but according to the Og Gotei 13 and splash art which was 2 days ago revealed they wear shihakusho which is her invention, so it means that she was a part of organisation which was before Gotei 13 or was one of the criminals/merciless killers [Yes original Captains of Gotei 13 were a bunch of thugs, criminals and killers.] Plot in Bleach is very often hidden and not said directly you just need to see through the text/context. By observing everything. As I sometimes say Bleach is just the Dark Soul's of Anime, You either spend time into analysing to understand the plot or either you hate it. To put it in nutshell Aizen and Yhwach both wants to go to Royal Palace - Soul King, to achive something different. While Ginjo wanted to have back Soul Repear powers merged with his Fullbring one and made a revenge on Gotei 13 more specifically on Ukitake -> Transferal of Soul Reaper powers are temporal so as he was the First Substitute Shinigami he lost his powers. Fullbring is the different type of power which he has learnt. For example each squad has a different represantation not only flowers. They also have recruitment brochure and some additional stuff. You only need to spend time to read it and find information instead of wanting the anime to introduce and say every single information already for you. Bleach anime is like the teacher/proffessor in University. It will tell you the basic knowledge, premises and the initial data of what you need to know. But same as for university you are the one who need to study not the proffessor, same is here if you want to know more about the world and lore you need to find it through data books/manga/illustrations/klub outside etc. That's all what I can say. Like you're trying to say everything about Yhwach who is the main villain for 4 cours and 52 episode. You've seen so far 5 and you speak mainly about the first one, expecting that all the information from 52 episodes will be given to you in the first episode. Keep calm and wait for the more information to be given to you. Adampk said: I don't think bleach is good at world building as one piece like even ichigo's father being shinigami came out of nowhere with much prior foreshadowing. But lets not talk as one piece as some perfect thing, oda foddered everyone whose name is not Kozuki, scabbard or oruchi in wano It was foreshadowed just people forgets about it. OMZ [He had blurred name - soon will be explanation why] during the training with Urahara back in the Substitute Shinigami arc before Soul Society arc said that Byakuya has understimated Ichigo because he wounded his --ehhh forgot the name of it but there is a specific place in soul which contains Shinigami power if you wound that you will lose the Shinigami powers, you can find it also when Ishida was confronting Jirobo from 7th division when he said that he wounded him exactly at this place and he will wake up as a normal soul without Shinigami Powers, so Byakuya did the same to Ichigo, expecting that he will lose his powers and simply bleed out or someone will help him out or whatever. But as OMZ said it was an understimation cause he stated that Ichigo has naturally Shinigami Powers, so... Do you need to say it 2-3 more times about it? So you'll notice that foreshadow/build up or not. Especially that alot of stuff during that arc were foreshadowing, the Hollow Masc - Soon real answers. If ya think I've made somewhere a mistake or missunderstood than feel free to write it down/expand your view. Just a thing to point out, the chapter where yhwach was shown born, (he could not speak, hear, etc.) What's the deal with that is that not a backstory? But I do understand your point of view in which you believe that this is the dark souls of anime, you explain it in a way that is very interesting as I have played dark souls but was never interested in the story. Alas, the reason why I will disagree with you is because I personally think that the execution of sprinkling details like that into a battle shounen is the reason i do not appreciate it as much as others. It shows that he cared about the project, but in the end could not properly insert it without being axed right away as it was in shounen jump where you need a fight almost every chapter. I respect your interpretation and analysis of the story tho good shit. Edit: sry for double quote I forgot to delete another |
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| Because i content with poor drama and good fight. I want drama i watch one piece with all that tears and facial expressions. |
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Khalil04 said: Roronoa said: Before anyone brings One Piece into the conversation. I want to compare it to what I am talking about using Dressrosa. Doflamingo took over the throne 8 years ago before the series started. Yet we receive multiple backstory flashbacks to see how this 8 year grudge first commenced between Kyros/Dressrosa Kingdom and Doflamingo, we found out what both sides have lost throughout their life, making it a lot more dramatic and climatic. THESE ARE SIDE CHARACTERS that are actually given depth, which is what we should have received with Yamamoto Yeah give these side characters depth by doing flashbacks whenever they seem to be defeated lmfao Stop setting him up Aside from doflamingo, not a single character in that rotten arc had any kind of good build up, it was either a clishé pull up to make readers sympathize with them by introducing flashbacks or the usual shounen thing aka plot Armors showing whenever they're about to die The flashbacks I am talking about are not in the story when they're about to be defeated lol. They were used as exposition halfway through the story/fight. You are thinking of demon slayer |
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| Don't know, this arc isn't perfect I know but since I enjoy it anyway then it's not a poor one, end of story :) |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
| @Roronoa well each has a diff view let's be honest. I'd like more psychological difficult titles even if my list might say something different. Oh yeah I forgot about that panel. Went back to check the manga and wiki and I suppose it is just to implify his ability of sharing/taking the others abilities [Aushchwalen]. I guess it is also the showcasing of when Yhwach was born as a son of Soul King, it is still and he on his own believe that there were quincies before him [Pernida and Gerard for ex. as if I recall correctly they might be as old/older than Yhwach] -> Showcasing that Yhwach is not a soul/human or anysort of that type of beings but an actual Deity as Soul King is the God. [Also taking part of a borrowed souls to make him regenerate/reincarnate the hearing also indicate his "ability", "old tale" or maybe his own specific technique/ability/deity aspect of being able to reincarnate himself as said in 1k years or longer/earlier -> if we accept that the reincarnation/reaperance stuff is his ability, than we can assume that he can be defeated only by beings who maybe share the blood heritage/history with him so a descendant of Yhwach can defeat him, or maybe a being who has 3 major power sources together as a being which represent the old world (Light Novel info so hard to call it into canon) so he can be defeated only by someone who has his blood in veins, or by someone who has Quincy, Shinigami and Hollow powers naturally. -> Why in such way? In every Mythology and each stories which has Gods and Deities involved they can be defeated in a specific ways or needs requirment and we have Bleach world in Japan which we can assume takes some inspirations laws from Japan's Mythologies, so it would be convincing to accept that it might be the major requirment for defeating Yhwach ultimately (Idk the Japan's mythologies btw)] |
ZettaikenNov 17, 2022 4:37 PM
| Bleach isn't really about character drama involving its villains though. They might occasionally get some small bits of backstory, but this isn't the kind of series where the author cares that much about what motivates his villains. I definitely think the series blundered when it came to Sasakibe's death though. It's mainly a manga problem but Kubo should've given him way more development prior to his death so that his death would've actually felt sad. Instead we saw what was essentially a background character get killed, and hardly anyone cared about him. |
Zettaiken said: Adampk said: I don't think bleach is good at world building as one piece like even ichigo's father being shinigami came out of nowhere with much prior foreshadowing. But lets not talk as one piece as some perfect thing, oda foddered everyone whose name is not Kozuki, scabbard or oruchi in wano It was foreshadowed just people forgets about it. OMZ [He had blurred name - soon will be explanation why] during the training with Urahara back in the Substitute Shinigami arc before Soul Society arc said that Byakuya has understimated Ichigo because he wounded his --ehhh forgot the name of it but there is a specific place in soul which contains Shinigami power if you wound that you will lose the Shinigami powers, you can find it also when Ishida was confronting Jirobo from 7th division when he said that he wounded him exactly at this place and he will wake up as a normal soul without Shinigami Powers, so Byakuya did the same to Ichigo, expecting that he will lose his powers and simply bleed out or someone will help him out or whatever. But as OMZ said it was an understimation cause he stated that Ichigo has naturally Shinigami Powers, so... Do you need to say it 2-3 more times about it? So you'll notice that foreshadow/build up or not. Especially that alot of stuff during that arc were foreshadowing, the Hollow Masc - Soon real answers. If ya think I've made somewhere a mistake or missunderstood than feel free to write it down/expand your view. The entire problem which this situation isshin being such a important shinigami. Multiple gotei officer have gone in and out of ichigo house. Yet they didn't recognise him. It just contrived overall. And the forshadowing u are all mentioning is not convincing or well planned enough to counter that. |
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| Update: some people seem to believe that I am attacking character writing itself, claiming that this is how the villains are written when that is not what was in question when I made the thread. They praise episode 6 to be the best episode of year but when in reality there is no meat to the plot. If flashy fights was all that mattered then Demon Slayer is the better episode.. I compared it to one piece but it made people upset to the point where they need to say that they think one piece characters are not well written, when they clearly misunderstood what i was talking about and use it as a chance to criticize the show in a COMPLETELTY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT |
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| Try Not To Embarrass Yourself Every Browsing Minute Of Your Life (One Piece Fan Edition) (Impossible) |
| It's entirely okay to say you don't understand the series. Kubo focuses on subtle storytelling and showcasing (not telling) character emotions. The way he structures his story also, very often, flies by people's heads. For example Yamamoto's defeat was karma, for being too naive not kill off Yhwach 1000 years ago. The body double was also hinted at by contrasting Yhwach's shown present-time ruthless nature to the clone's emotional outburst and the fact that it makes no sense for him to take Yamamoto on a second time, when he already lost in the past. Yamamoto is not a good person. He killed all the quincies and ordered them eradicated. He would have accepted Mayuri's proposal to murder tens of thousands of rukongai citizens. The fact you're asking for sympathy for a character like that, is kind of cringeworthy and shows how you simply don't understand the cast or the story you're talking about right now. EP6 shows Kubo's ability to write subtext in very powerful ways. There are countless examples such as these chapters throughout Bleach. Maybe you should stick with One Piece, since that's the only type of storytelling you're able to digest, hmm?  |
k11chi said: It's entirely okay to say you don't understand the series. Kubo focuses on subtle storytelling and showcasing (not telling) character emotions. The way he structures his story also, very often, flies by people's heads. For example Yamamoto's defeat was karma, for being too naive not kill off Yhwach 1000 years ago. The body double was also hinted at by contrasting Yhwach's shown present-time ruthless nature to the clone's emotional outburst and the fact that it makes no sense for him to take Yamamoto on a second time, when he already lost in the past. Yamamoto is not a good person. He killed all the quincies and ordered them eradicated. He would have accepted Mayuri's proposal to murder tens of thousands of rukongai citizens. The fact you're asking for sympathy for a character like that, is kind of cringeworthy and shows how you simply don't understand the cast or the story you're talking about right now. EP6 shows Kubo's ability to write subtext in very powerful ways. There are countless examples such as these chapters throughout Bleach. Maybe you should stick with One Piece, since that's the only type of storytelling you're able to digest, hmm? Funny how you can invest so much brain power into analyzing a work of fiction, but when it comes to real discussion you lag? When did I say I wanted to sympathize with the man 😂 Apply your supposed critical thinking skills to real life bro and stop defending these shit tier writing with your life |
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Adampk said: Zettaiken said: It was foreshadowed just people forgets about it. OMZ [He had blurred name - soon will be explanation why] during the training with Urahara back in the Substitute Shinigami arc before Soul Society arc said that Byakuya has understimated Ichigo because he wounded his --ehhh forgot the name of it but there is a specific place in soul which contains Shinigami power if you wound that you will lose the Shinigami powers, you can find it also when Ishida was confronting Jirobo from 7th division when he said that he wounded him exactly at this place and he will wake up as a normal soul without Shinigami Powers, so Byakuya did the same to Ichigo, expecting that he will lose his powers and simply bleed out or someone will help him out or whatever. But as OMZ said it was an understimation cause he stated that Ichigo has naturally Shinigami Powers, so... Do you need to say it 2-3 more times about it? So you'll notice that foreshadow/build up or not. Especially that alot of stuff during that arc were foreshadowing, the Hollow Masc - Soon real answers. If ya think I've made somewhere a mistake or missunderstood than feel free to write it down/expand your view. The entire problem which this situation isshin being such a important shinigami. Multiple gotei officer have gone in and out of ichigo house. Yet they didn't recognise him. It just contrived overall. And the forshadowing u are all mentioning is not convincing or well planned enough to counter that. Klub Outside already answered that stuff: Shinigamis didn't know that a Shinigami [inside a Gigai] and Human can have a children, only Urahara and Aizen [cause he was observing] knew about that. Toshiro and Matsumoto did recognise him but didn't feel to interact as they understood that he had a reason to not show up. -> Ikakku, Renji and Yumichika had no idea who Isshin actually is with the reason that for them and their education Shinigami x Human can't have a child so it is a coincidence that Ichigo's father name is Isshin + Isshin has aged so his facial expression change, he has grown facial hairs + he has taken Kurosaki last name, so are you even surprised? -> Any other "meeting" inside Ichigo house are from filler arcs and that is not canon so I don't count them. Visored captains were before exiled due to Aizen before Isshin became a captain [most likely] -> that is why Shinji didn't recognise his Reiatsu in the beginning of Arrancar arc. Rukia did have a hinch but she thought of it as a coincidence - back than she was a normal foot soldier of a different squad soe she barely had time to even see/know who Isshin exactly is, even when she was under Kaien commands. [especially that she was from 13th squad and Isshin was a captain of 10th squad, so she mainly knew people from her own division] |
ZettaikenNov 18, 2022 12:22 AM
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-FALSE said: The "What are your guys thoughts?" at the end of that embarrassing take does not make you come across as genuine, bro. Anyone not an indoctrinated victim to those 1000+ chapters of brainrotting garbage can still read this thread as a desperate attempt at downplaying a very highly received anime you dislike in order to puff up your favourite self-milking bloated cash-cow. A lot of jealous shounentards I'm seeing lol, and most of them One Piece fans. I assume it's because the supposed worst of the Big 3 is scoring higher ratings and garnering greater discourse from adapting its source material than Looney Tunes. Episode 1015 in shambles, unfortunately. Keep malding bud, very upsetting that you are unable to delete comments here lmfao |
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Roronoa said: k11chi said: It's entirely okay to say you don't understand the series. Kubo focuses on subtle storytelling and showcasing (not telling) character emotions. The way he structures his story also, very often, flies by people's heads. For example Yamamoto's defeat was karma, for being too naive not kill off Yhwach 1000 years ago. The body double was also hinted at by contrasting Yhwach's shown present-time ruthless nature to the clone's emotional outburst and the fact that it makes no sense for him to take Yamamoto on a second time, when he already lost in the past. Yamamoto is not a good person. He killed all the quincies and ordered them eradicated. He would have accepted Mayuri's proposal to murder tens of thousands of rukongai citizens. The fact you're asking for sympathy for a character like that, is kind of cringeworthy and shows how you simply don't understand the cast or the story you're talking about right now. EP6 shows Kubo's ability to write subtext in very powerful ways. There are countless examples such as these chapters throughout Bleach. Maybe you should stick with One Piece, since that's the only type of storytelling you're able to digest, hmm? Funny how you can invest so much brain power into analyzing a work of fiction, but when it comes to real discussion you lag? When did I say I wanted to sympathize with the man 😂 Apply your supposed critical thinking skills to real life bro and stop defending these shit tier writing with your life What a clown move. You were the one who asked the question about Yhwach or Yamamoto not having a backstory for the audience to sympathise with them and now you're saying you never wanted to. You made this thread and now completely forgot the entire purpose behind it. Not really sure if you want an answer or you want to spam your opinions until you get enough attention. |
Datweeb1 said: Roronoa said: Funny how you can invest so much brain power into analyzing a work of fiction, but when it comes to real discussion you lag? When did I say I wanted to sympathize with the man 😂 Apply your supposed critical thinking skills to real life bro and stop defending these shit tier writing with your life What a clown move. You were the one who asked the question about Yhwach or Yamamoto not having a backstory for the audience to sympathise with them and now you're saying you never wanted to. You made this thread and now completely forgot the entire purpose behind it. Not really sure if you want an answer or you want to spam your opinions until you get enough attention. LOL by all means point out where I said I want to sympathize. It seems like basic comprehension is difficult for most Bleach fans |
RoronoaNov 18, 2022 2:45 AM
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