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Sep 26, 2022 9:06 AM
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I was actually enjoying the episode despite it being very rushed and shoving an entire volume in one episode, unfortunately.

However Lerche decides it's a good idea to make Koji essentially say "You're not worth smiling for." To Satou in his head when he NEVER said any such thing. Extremely disappointing and stupid change by Lerche to just fuel the edge lord 13 year olds that watch COTE.
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Sep 26, 2022 9:15 AM
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Cestlavie_ said:
it was just one line
and that's clearly in his character
it's not a big deal


I would agree it's not a big deal but this really affects his character for anime only viewers. They already think Koji is just some edgelord and will never change. This doesn't help to show what his true goal is, and that's to experience a normal life and experience emotions he hasn't been able to experience.
Sep 26, 2022 9:17 AM
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man, the LN readers doesnt even Surprise me anymore, they complain for every single Word that a character Say๐Ÿ’€
Sep 26, 2022 9:19 AM
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SuntProstMare said:
man, the LN readers doesnt even Surprise me anymore, they complain for every single Word that a character Say๐Ÿ’€


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.
Sep 26, 2022 9:21 AM
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Sokye21 said:
SuntProstMare said:
man, the LN readers doesnt even Surprise me anymore, they complain for every single Word that a character Say๐Ÿ’€


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.

the character can change anytime, doesnt matter if now or later, the fact that the line is different will have impact in the story? I don't think, the ppl will not be triggered because *insert character doesnt Say what they "Need" to Say.
Sep 26, 2022 9:22 AM
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the anime is just looking over and/or removing any character development he has had and changing it to something edgy to make it seem cool or whatever


Sep 26, 2022 9:23 AM
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Well, the scriptwriter is the real edgelord. In LN, he just talked about reason and explained about being bad at expressing his feelings/emotions.
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Sep 26, 2022 9:25 AM
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I read a part of the LN and this line does fit into his character , like it is something I'd expect him to realistically think , that's how much of a piece of sh*t Ayano is
Sep 26, 2022 9:30 AM
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Yeah it was really a bad line.
Sep 26, 2022 9:36 AM
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Sokye21 said:
SuntProstMare said:
man, the LN readers doesnt even Surprise me anymore, they complain for every single Word that a character Say๐Ÿ’€


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.
then that's the problem of the 13yo edgelord viewers right
Sep 26, 2022 9:45 AM

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He’s still bad to the bone even in Current LN volume.

I don’t see the problem here. I mean most people probably love him because how edgy he is anyway.

“kiyo no longer see people as a tool?”
“No I don’t want that!”
Sep 26, 2022 9:50 AM
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I find it kind of sad and a little disturbing how many people think he is cool, calling him a Chad etc. Generally when characters are portrayed like this it is because they are trying to show people how not to act, but people seem to missing the point entirely. Very few of the characters in the show are actually good people but clearly people seem to latch on to these negative stereotypes.
Sep 26, 2022 9:52 AM

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They want to make him look "cool" and "mean"

Works to sell a lot of merch.
Sep 26, 2022 9:52 AM
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SuntProstMare said:
Sokye21 said:


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.

the character can change anytime, doesnt matter if now or later, the fact that the line is different will have impact in the story? I don't think, the ppl will not be triggered because *insert character doesnt Say what they "Need" to Say.


OP is right. I'm anime only but that line made me think he was incredibly edgy for no reason at all. That's one of the few things I dislike about Ayanokoji (and I know part of it is due to the anime's portrayal).
Sep 26, 2022 10:00 AM

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I wonder what the problem is? It's a rather blunt and direct statement.
Sep 26, 2022 10:07 AM
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SkyhighCFC said:
SuntProstMare said:

the character can change anytime, doesnt matter if now or later, the fact that the line is different will have impact in the story? I don't think, the ppl will not be triggered because *insert character doesnt Say what they "Need" to Say.


OP is right. I'm anime only but that line made me think he was incredibly edgy for no reason at all. That's one of the few things I dislike about Ayanokoji (and I know part of it is due to the anime's portrayal).

the problem is that he doesnt Change much in the LN, so the line himself don't mean nothing.
Sep 26, 2022 10:14 AM
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hyatlop said:
PrestigeWorld said:
I find it kind of sad and a little disturbing how many people think he is cool, calling him a Chad etc. Generally when characters are portrayed like this it is because they are trying to show people how not to act, but people seem to missing the point entirely. Very few of the characters in the show are actually good people but clearly people seem to latch on to these negative stereotypes.


You are expecting too much from social media addicted edgy teenagers who are the main audience of this show.

Fairly new to anime and had no idea how out of touch the anime community could be. Might be the vocal minority but the stuff I see posted on MAL is generally pretty head-scratching at best. Same reason I got off social media. I guess I'll keep this in mind going forward, and wish the edge lord teenagers all the best.
Sep 26, 2022 10:26 AM
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Sokye21 said:
Cestlavie_ said:
it was just one line
and that's clearly in his character
it's not a big deal


I would agree it's not a big deal but this really affects his character for anime only viewers. They already think Koji is just some edgelord and will never change. This doesn't help to show what his true goal is, and that's to experience a normal life and experience emotions he hasn't been able to experience.


Honestly being an anime only that line didn't surprise me at all. He's been cold and emotionless since the beginning. Not if his goal is to eventually feel emotional then the anime hasn't particularly portrayed that at all until the inner monolog at the very end where he asks himself if that's all their relationship will ever be. After 2 seasons the show is doing enough to keep me interested enough to keep watching though
Sep 26, 2022 10:26 AM

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PrestigeWorld said:
I find it kind of sad and a little disturbing how many people think he is cool, calling him a Chad etc. Generally when characters are portrayed like this it is because they are trying to show people how not to act, but people seem to missing the point entirely. Very few of the characters in the show are actually good people but clearly people seem to latch on to these negative stereotypes.

But he is cool tho and I like him too as a character, so whats the problem? So now everyone should just like good and pacifist characters that teach you how to live? You cant think by yourself about what you should or shouldnt do, or what is good or bad? I dont understand your point. You shouldn't take fictional characters as your life model.
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Sep 26, 2022 10:34 AM

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omg just like me ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ nobody worth smiling for im so edgy ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ฑ
Sep 26, 2022 10:38 AM

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SuntProstMare said:
Sokye21 said:


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.

the character can change anytime, doesnt matter if now or later, the fact that the line is different will have impact in the story? I don't think, the ppl will not be triggered because *insert character doesnt Say what they "Need" to Say.


Well yeah man, that one line changes a lot about how you interpret his character. In fact, it would've been better if he didn't say anything, cuz in the LN he says something entirely different.
Little things sometimes have a huge impact tbh. I ain't complaining about the anime tho, but it didn't need to make me feel so bad for Satou when Kiyo said that.
Sep 26, 2022 10:49 AM
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ghillozz said:
PrestigeWorld said:
I find it kind of sad and a little disturbing how many people think he is cool, calling him a Chad etc. Generally when characters are portrayed like this it is because they are trying to show people how not to act, but people seem to missing the point entirely. Very few of the characters in the show are actually good people but clearly people seem to latch on to these negative stereotypes.

But he is cool tho and I like him too as a character, so whats the problem? So now everyone should just like good and pacifist characters that teach you how to live? You cant think by yourself about what you should or shouldnt do, or what is good or bad? I dont understand your point. You shouldn't take fictional characters as your life model.

I don't take fictional characters as any models as they are exactly that, fiction. An interesting character doesn't have to be pacifist or lawful good. In fact, flawed characters are more interesting. Kiyo is a flawed character with no redeeming qualities and to the point of being boring. He's emotionally manipulative and just a bad dude (from anime perspective at least). While I would hope people have the sense not to take characters like this seriously, especially in fiction, there are a reason why people like Andrew Tate got popular.
Sep 26, 2022 11:01 AM

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SuntProstMare said:
Sokye21 said:


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.

the character can change anytime, doesnt matter if now or later, the fact that the line is different will have impact in the story? I don't think, the ppl will not be triggered because *insert character doesnt Say what they "Need" to Say.

The thing is some parts of the story they edit just to get more viewers, Kei had several times that they just added her and gave way more emotion and attraction to Ayano, Ryuen be seeing as third rate villain with simply violence, brainless and emphasizing the all “tool” things


1) was annoying for me as they just tried to use LN readers love for Kei to remove everything bad they are doing
2)They edit Ryuen about to submit form to drop out of school, only to stop because the other 2 would drop if he did(he only didnit to protect the others as all of them would get punished..)
3) they cut tons of interaction of Ayano with other characters and just show how he thinks of them as tools again and again


The things that they keep changing can completely change the characters personality and how anime only see them, also damage future plot with ease

Imagine source material that you rate 9-10 get this treatment and you would be completely happy with it
Sep 26, 2022 11:16 AM
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I mean the translation isn't particularly good, I'm unsure that ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใปใฉใฎ็›ธๆ‰‹ใงใฏใชใ„ is accurately represented as unworthy rather than taking it more literally as that she isn't enough to bring him to a smile. Unworthy is quite harsh as people have noted here, whereas what he said is just more lukewarm in Japanese. Although I can see why the translators went with it because the writers decide to throw in English to make it sound edgier despite the word judge rarely being used outside of sports contests in Japan.

It's interesting though to see how the thread exists to this extent when he didn't really say what the majority of people are discussing him saying.
Sep 26, 2022 11:21 AM
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He is already extremely edgy to begin with, but those lines do feel kinda unnecessary
Sep 26, 2022 11:25 AM
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Sohamc19 said:
SuntProstMare said:

the character can change anytime, doesnt matter if now or later, the fact that the line is different will have impact in the story? I don't think, the ppl will not be triggered because *insert character doesnt Say what they "Need" to Say.


Well yeah man, that one line changes a lot about how you interpret his character. In fact, it would've been better if he didn't say anything, cuz in the LN he says something entirely different.
Little things sometimes have a huge impact tbh. I ain't complaining about the anime tho, but it didn't need to make me feel so bad for Satou when Kiyo said that.


Damn that is a HUGE difference. That line in the LN shows that he isn't completely cold and heartless.
Sep 26, 2022 11:33 AM
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God, Oh god. Keep crying and have a good day.
Sep 26, 2022 11:55 AM
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Too edgy that it made me cringe. That's how I feel
Sep 26, 2022 12:02 PM

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It's clearly made to appeal to fans who like the edginess of his character.




Sep 26, 2022 1:51 PM

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ShambaC said:
God, Oh god. Keep crying and have a good day.


Thanks. You too man.
Sep 26, 2022 5:02 PM
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RioFS said:
It's clearly made to appeal to fans who like the edginess of his character.

I guess we can't do anything if the main audience watches it for the edgy stuffs
Sep 27, 2022 1:01 AM
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Do you want the entire dialogue of the LN. It ain’t that deep
Sep 27, 2022 1:02 AM
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Sokye21 said:
SuntProstMare said:
man, the LN readers doesnt even Surprise me anymore, they complain for every single Word that a character Say๐Ÿ’€


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.

It just won’t tho will it
Sep 27, 2022 7:36 AM

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TheKingTaika said:
Sokye21 said:


Once again. This one line will cause so many people to misinterpret his character. But if you want a plain edgy character, then enjoy.

It just won’t tho will it

Look through the replies and you’ll see there was at least one anime only that replied saying he thought it was incredibly edgy and caused it to misinterpret his character.
Sep 27, 2022 8:47 AM

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Sokye21 said:
Cestlavie_ said:
it was just one line
and that's clearly in his character
it's not a big deal


I would agree it's not a big deal but this really affects his character for anime only viewers. They already think Koji is just some edgelord and will never change. This doesn't help to show what his true goal is, and that's to experience a normal life and experience emotions he hasn't been able to experience.

Well, if they really did watch the series seriously, they would get that goal of Ayanokouji.
P.S. I'm also an anime fan only for this series but I know that goal of his after watching this 2nd season.
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