who is more justified the yeagerists or the allaince in your opinion ?

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I mean Eren literally saw the future and the future cannot be changed so,
there is a dialogue in the anime/manga "what we saw that day, what are we seeing today and what are we going to see tomorrow" it was all he(EREN) wanted.

Eren knows what will happen next so he is just repeating that because he don't have any other choice.

Eren also knows this all mess will end up by paradis and his friends being free that's why he is repeating the future.

At the end I am on the yeagerist side.
it was not just a small argument , it was a war between paradis vs the world.
And in the end the one who is strongest would win.

There is also a dialogue in manga/anime "IF WE WIN, WE LIVE " "IF WE DON'T WIN, WE DIE" "IF WE DON'T FIGHT, WE WON'T WIN" FIGHT, FIGHT.

not only marley,
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN AOT WORLD WAS BRAINWASHED BY THE HISTORY WHICH WAS NOT WHOLE TRUE that told them that people of paradis are devils and the world would be better if they all died.

I still feel ironic when I understand that in s1 marley attack the walls so they could take revenge

in s4 marley attack the paradis by uniting other nations army because they are feared of eren starting the rumbling.

but they didn't knew that their actions were the cause of rumbling.

if they wouldn't have attacked even any one time s1 Or s4 then the rumbling wouldn't have happened.

Jul 13, 2022 8:14 PM

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There is absolutely no justification for the Yeagarists and especially, Eren. Causing genocide of almost the entire race of humans and possibly the other lifeforms will never be justifiable.

As for the Alliance, they are doing what can be considered 'morally' right. Being against Yeagarists doesn't make them wrong. Sure, their actions will inevitably lead to the doom of their own race but atleast they are not trying to kill every other race of every species on the planet.

What the Eldians on Paradis went through was wrong and cruel and killing all the perpetrators might make it a bit justifiable. But what Eren is doing is going to kill all the innocent lives outside the walls, most of whom will die without knowing the reason of their death.

Jul 13, 2022 9:13 PM

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yeagerists. they solved their problems with mass genocide.

Jul 13, 2022 9:24 PM

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DaJickey said:

Nah bruh this flawed thinking, comparing real life segregation to aot segregation where they can turn into titans and kill people doesn’t make sense.

Jul 13, 2022 11:50 PM

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neither. none. ninguno

Jul 14, 2022 3:09 AM

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Jaegerists all the way..... Man's tryna save his family while the alliance want to kill the fam by supporting ppl who caused their destruction and whose names they dek. Genocide's wrong but he's doin anything he can to save his land. Nobody wud give up their land, forget some retarded powerseekers.

Jul 14, 2022 4:57 AM

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Kill or be killed will never be justified,it's a reasonable ideology tho

Jul 14, 2022 6:31 AM

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The Yeagerists had only good intentions but have to side with the Alliance that there shouldn't be a mass genocide to achieve their goal. The entire show started because there was an attack on the lives of innocent people due to somebody else's war plan so for Eren to do the same to billions is not the way to go, but it is however justified in his own rights

Jul 14, 2022 9:37 AM

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It's hard to sympathize with the condescending government of Paradis, which creates its own problems and prefers to let a rebel organization go free and do nothing. But it is much more difficult to sympathize with the Yageristas, I see many people supporting this group without realizing what it represents, and treating it very lightly. The Yaeher faction has populist speeches of us against the foreigner and eliminate the opposition, you know what they are? Fascists. And I am scared how many people support this populism and the violent proposal of this faction. I think that says a lot about them.

Jul 14, 2022 11:31 AM

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Sujal234 said:
not only marley,
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN AOT WORLD WAS BRAINWASHED BY THE HISTORY WHICH WAS NOT WHOLE TRUE that told them that people of paradis are devils and the world would be better if they all died.

But it's not "every single person" though. There's Kiyomi and Onyacopon.

if they wouldn't have attacked even any one time s1 Or s4 then the rumbling wouldn't have happened.

Actually, if the outside world went all-in in s1 or before that, they would've succeeded. Or if they wait couple more decades, they would've also succeeded. They just ended up picking the worst time because the author made it so.

Jul 14, 2022 12:11 PM

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cyf1986 said:

But it's not "every single person" though. There's Kiyomi and Onyacopon.

if they wouldn't have attacked even any one time s1 Or s4 then the rumbling wouldn't have happened.

i mean people like onyacopon and their ancestors were already had good relations with eldian empire centuries ago right?
But it's true that they didn't get brainwashed by marlians because they already knew the truth.

As for second one,

During s1, it was only Marley who knew about the vow renouncing war which was made by the king of the walls that any royal blood who inherits founding titan will have my(the king who made the walls) ideology of peace and will not attack the rest of the world.
BUT ONLY MARLEY WAS THE ONE WHO KNEW ABOUT IT
FROM professor ksaver(beast titan before zeke)
and also from tyber family.

King of the walls left to paradis but before he left he gave a message to whole world that if someone attack paradis then he will start the rumbling THE MINOR VERSION OF RUMBLING.(But it was just to scare them because even if he wanted to start rumbling he couldn't do it due to vow renouncing war. )
At that time only tyber family and king of the walls knew about the it.

That's why marley and rest of the world didn't attack paradis island for 100 years.

But after 100 years when only marley found out that king will never attack them then they saw the opportunity to take the founder and kill all eldians.

But they were not shore about it so they only sended their four titans(not whole army)
just to attack only the front gates and see how the king will react (if he starts rumbling or not)

King didn't react so marley got the green light to start their mission to retake the founding titan.

Question= after they confirmed that king would not attack then why marley didn't send all the titans and their army to attack paradia????

Answer= It's just my theory.
Marleys main power was the 7 titans
Under their control.
But their relationship with other countries where not nice/peaceful at all.
(You can see that marley had a war with other countries in beginning of season 4 part1)
And thus if they would have send all their major power(titans) including their army then they would probably be attacked by other countries or if they were having war at that time also then they would have lose it.
That's why marley only sent 4 titans to test and complete their mission.

In s4 ep5 when marley made the peace with all the other countries and made a ceremony(willy tybers speech)

That was where the rest of the world were told about the vow renouncing war by willy tyber.

And marley made peace with other countries only for one reason.

To make an global alliance to defeat the paradis and take the founder because they thought/knew that their(marleys) strength was not enough to defeat the paradis and the founder.

That's all.

In s1,
Marley didn't attack with their full army because they had their own conflicts with others nations and also they were not 100℅ shore that if king of the walls will really not fight back or will he.

Rest of the world didn't attack paradis because they didn't knew about vow reno
uncing war until willy tyber told them.
So they thought that if they attack paradis then king of walls will start rumbling and attack their nations.

I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND YOU TO WATCH SEASON 4 PART 1 EP 5.

Sujal234Jul 14, 2022 12:15 PM

Jul 14, 2022 12:26 PM

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Sujal234 said:

Rest of the world didn't attack paradis because they didn't knew about vow reno
uncing war until willy tyber told them.
So they thought that if they attack paradis then king of walls will start rumbling and attack their nations.

Tybur could've made the speech in s1 or before, instead of waiting until s4 ep5.

Jul 14, 2022 12:36 PM

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cyf1986 said:

Tybur could've made the speech in s1 or before, instead of waiting until s4 ep5.

But tyber family member who had inherited war hammer titan made the promise with king of the walls that they will not say it to anyone.So that the king and his people live their lives peacefully.

Remember this that the entire family didn't knew about eldian kings plan but only the one tyber family member who inherited the war hammer knew about it.

But since the tyber has war hammer and they are royal blood.
The next war hammer inheritors obviously have got the memories of the past inheritors and that's how they too knew about the kings plan but still many inhertors kept their mouth shut until after 100 years the one inheritor who probably told the rest of the tyber family and then they told marley about the vow renouncing war concept.

Sujal234Jul 14, 2022 12:40 PM

Jul 14, 2022 12:53 PM

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Sujal234 said:
But tyber family member who had inherited war hammer titan made the promise with king of the walls that they will not say it to anyone.So that the king and his people live their lives peacefully.

Well, the same line of Tybur inheritors had allowed the concentration camp and oppression to go on for so long, that means they feel more obliged to the outside world than Eldians. By telling others early, they could free the people from the mental stress of worrying about rumbling.

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Jul 14, 2022 8:05 PM

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yeagerists are justified. they are fighting for themselves. alliance is fool

Jul 14, 2022 9:15 PM

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cyf1986 said:

first of all the other tybers didn't know about kings plan do they thought that king was defeated and he left and since then the tybers became the Royal/vip people to marley and from that point the tybers just ignored the eldians.
Including the inherirors and they too were brainwashed by the fake victory of marley, because they too don't know the true history.

But there was only one person(war hammer inheritor)
who knew that this history is all wrong but still he didn't speak because that could end up with revealing the kings plan.

He was not obliged with outside world but the other tybers did.
And he could not stop the tyber family because he was not the leader of the tyber family.
Just like willy tyber was the representative/head of tybers but he wasn't the war hammer.

What reason he(war hammer inheritors) could give the tyber familiy members to not to obliged with outside world and worry about eldians.

The only reason I can see is to tell them the truth and tell them about the kings plan.

War hammer inheritors were the only one who were not obliged about the other world too much because they knew the true history and the kings promise.
But the other tyber members who just know the fake history of marley and didn't know the true history. That's why they too hated the people of paradis just like the eldians outside the walls.

And that is the reason it took almost 100 years for the tyber family to know the true history.

Man by talking about true history I just gone in ONE PIECE WORLD for few moments 😂

Jul 14, 2022 10:52 PM

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Sujal234 said:
first of all the other tybers didn't know about kings plan do they thought that king was defeated and he left and since then the tybers became the Royal/vip people to marley and from that point the tybers just ignored the eldians.
Including the inherirors and they too were brainwashed

Dude, by "same line of Tybur inheritors" I did mean the warhammer inheritors, that's exactly what I was quoting your previous comment of.

"Sujal234 said:
But tyber family member who had inherited war hammer titan made the promise with king of the walls that they will not say it to anyone.So that the king and his people live their lives peacefully."

We are not blind here, are we....? Why would I be referring to non-warhammer inheritors when I was quoting this specific part of your comment that explicitly and solely referred to the warhammer inheritors...

Sujal234 said:
War hammer inheritors were the only one who were not obliged about the other world too much because they knew the true history and the kings promise.
But the other tyber members who just know the fake history of marley and didn't know the true history. That's why they too hated the people of paradis just like the eldians outside the walls.

And that is the reason it took almost 100 years for the tyber family to know the true history.

(war hammer inheritor)He was not obliged with outside world but the other tybers did.

Uh, that's just your guess, your theory. The war hammer inheritors did behave as if they are obliged with the outside world. Willy Tybur's sister condoned the plan to wipe out Paradis. And there were opportunities to improve the treatment of Marley Eldians even without revealing the truth, such as that conference at the last episode, from people who don't know the truth, yet there's no sign the warhammer inheritors had acted to promote such in the early past.

Also, I am going to sleep, so next reply will be late. Good night.

cyf1986Jul 14, 2022 11:04 PM

Jul 15, 2022 2:41 AM

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"Justified"? You can't "justify" being shortsighted, childish, and all around stupid in thinking that Killing everyone that doesn't agree with you is ever a choice. The AOT fandom have some truly sick fu**ers who can justify ANYTHING if it suits them, including genocide, rape, murdering children, slavery..etc they can and will justify anything and make excuses like "Survival" and "No other choice" while in reality they just wants the easiest, simplest, and most instantaneous solutions out there. I wouldn't put it by them if they also enjoy doing these things. In simple terms that even a so called "Jeagerist" can understand...... probably, no one is "Justified", but the alliance has the more mature way of looking at things that is better on the long term. It might work, or it might not, but at least it isn't "You don't lick my boot? you die".

Jul 18, 2022 8:33 AM

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If there was even a side to chose, the alliance would be the way to go. I don't support genocide.

and supports genocidal freaks. If you paid attention to the story they are the ones who doing that shit for many years in the first place.

Jul 18, 2022 8:36 AM

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Yeagerists every fucking day of a several fucking hundred decades. Long live Eren Yeager.

Jul 18, 2022 8:38 AM

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Jaegerists all the way..... Man's tryna save his family while the alliance want to kill the fam by supporting ppl who caused their destruction and whose names they dek. Genocide's wrong but he's doin anything he can to save his land. Nobody wud give up their land, forget some retarded powerseekers.

out of thousands of language out there, you choose to wake up and speak facts

Jul 18, 2022 9:00 AM

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MilanovicKorgiva said:
Yeagerists every fucking day of a several fucking hundred decades. Long live Eren Yeager.

HELLO? BASED DEPARTMENT??

Jul 18, 2022 9:22 AM

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MilanovicKorgiva said:
Yeagerists every fucking day of a several fucking hundred decades. Long live Eren Yeager.

This is the way..👍👍👍

Reject real eren and embrace the embrace the Chad island devil Eren

Stawberry Milk Supremacy

Jul 19, 2022 11:52 PM

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both are messed up, but if I had to choose then I would definitely choose the yaegerists just cuz I like Eren a lot 😂

I love how Eren went from the main protagonist to becoming the main antagonist and I love this story line so damn much

Jul 20, 2022 5:25 AM

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MilanovicKorgiva said:

ecksdee58 said:
If there was even a side to chose, the alliance would be the way to go. I don't support genocide.

and supports genocidal freaks. If you paid attention to the story they are the ones who doing that shit for many years in the first place.

If you paid attention to the meta message it's criticism on human societies as a whole. Which is why the story is deliberately written in the direction where the whole world is getting rumbled instead of just one evil empire. "Because all countries can suck when given the chance".

Our real ancestors 100 years ago would've also supported genocide of people who can turn into man-eating giants hypothetically speaking.

cyf1986Jul 20, 2022 5:30 AM

Jul 25, 2022 3:57 AM

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