| Just watched an anime with some sexual harassment scene. Now I feel normalized, gotta go rape some bitches on the street. -- Is this how you imagine it? I honestly never seen an non-hentai anime that has protagonist go around intentionally assaulting ppl in sexual way, it's always the antagonist that may have such inclinations. So what's the problem then? The content too mature for you? Go watch kids anime then, Safespace Soyjak bois |
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Dort said: if a mature show is good it will be mature even without sexual things, and adding gore doesn't make a show more mature, if mostly eerything being produced is aimed at tteenager is ebcause anime has become mainstream among teenagers, but the lack of sexual contnt in them has notihng to do with their maturity, majority of anime with fanservice are aimeed at teenagers, thats different with manga because seinen don't get adapted but this discussion is specific to animee5812 said: it shouldn't be an issue since ecchis are still being produced you can still get fanservice pretty easily, an anime si the same with or without panty shots if it isn't the focus of theproduct itself disagree, for some show brutality and sex are essential to give a certain vibe to the show(like try to remove this from berserk), remove this and you have mostly a children like show like everything is today...all content today on every media must be PC, there are still exceptions, but they are the rarity, like the show "The Idaten Deities Know Only Peace" i just watched, even the ecchi show are so bad today anyway, from the fanservice to the show itself, they don't even try |
pasanoid said: Just watched an anime with some sexual harassment scene. Now I feel normalized, gotta go rape some bitches on the street. -- Is this how you imagine it? I honestly never seen an non-hentai anime that has protagonist go around intentionally assaulting ppl in sexual way, it's always the antagonist that may have such inclinations. So what's the problem then? The content too mature for you? Go watch kids anime then, Safespace Soyjak bois You almost had a point, then I opened your profile and 2nd fav characters is...  middle schooler whose only purpose in the show is the be a target for pedo MC. In a show that actively tries to make scenes with kids arousing and portrays the MC as the greatest dude in town. That's exactly the problem people have with that stuff. Violence and sexuality are part of life and I see no reason to not portray them. But if a show went arount trying to give people a boner for murder, it'd get canceled extra hard. Incitation to murder, yada yada. And no show actually does this. But lots of shows try to give teens a boner for rapey/"lolicon" shit. That's obviously where the backlash against rapey/"lolicon" shit in anime comes from. No, it's not double standards between violence and sexuality. You'd treat violence the same way some anime shows treat molesting little girls, you'd get a crapload of backlash. Hatred (video game) got slammed by pretty much every video game critic out there. |
DeathkoNov 8, 2021 8:21 AM
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e5812 said: Dort said: if a mature show is good it will be mature even without sexual things, and adding gore doesn't make a show more mature, if mostly eerything being produced is aimed at tteenager is ebcause anime has become mainstream among teenagers, but the lack of sexual contnt in them has notihng to do with their maturity, majority of anime with fanservice are aimeed at teenagers, thats different with manga because seinen don't get adapted but this discussion is specific to animedisagree, for some show brutality and sex are essential to give a certain vibe to the show(like try to remove this from berserk), remove this and you have mostly a children like show like everything is today...all content today on every media must be PC, there are still exceptions, but they are the rarity, like the show "The Idaten Deities Know Only Peace" i just watched, even the ecchi show are so bad today anyway, from the fanservice to the show itself, they don't even try I find this kind of thinking rather selfish, just because you don't like a certain theme it is not necessary to eliminate it, I agree that you can create a masterpiece even without fanservice, there are many, but only for that it should not limit artistic creativity, as I have already said, now the ecchi shows and fanservice have been in sharp decline for years and this is also confirmed by sales. the problem of the anime on the contrary today is an excessive use of political correctness and the excessive use of the same themes such as moe and lately isekai, more creative freedom would be needed in order to go back to the origins and also be able to create something original |
Deathko said: pasanoid said: Just watched an anime with some sexual harassment scene. Now I feel normalized, gotta go rape some bitches on the street. -- Is this how you imagine it? I honestly never seen an non-hentai anime that has protagonist go around intentionally assaulting ppl in sexual way, it's always the antagonist that may have such inclinations. So what's the problem then? The content too mature for you? Go watch kids anime then, Safespace Soyjak bois You almost had a point, then I opened your profile and 2nd fav characters is... middle schooler whose only purpose in the show is the be a target for pedo MC. In a show that actively tries to make scenes with kids arousing and portrays the MC as the greatest dude in town. That's exactly the problem people have with that stuff. Violence and sexuality are part of life and I see no reason to not portray them. But if a show went arount trying to give people a boner for murder, it'd get canceled extra hard. Incitation to murder, yada yada. And no show actually does this. But lots of shows try to give teens a boner for rapey/"lolicon" shit. That's obviously where the backlash against rapey/"lolicon" shit in anime comes from. No, it's not double standards between violence and sexuality. You'd treat violence the same way some anime shows treat molesting little girls, you'd get a crapload of backlash. Hatred (video game) got slammed by pretty much every video game critic out there. I think there are plenty of video games that normalize immoral actions; Grand Theft Auto is a prime example. Other games and anime/TV shows glorify other dangerous acts like street racing. |
Dort said: well yeah, but where did you read that in my comments? its not really like that though, poliyical fairness play little role in this, its probably the repetitiveness of fanservice in the medium that killed it, can you really say that anime care about political fairness when higeihro and redo oof healer got adapted recently, the fault probably lies in the authors themselfe5812 said: if a mature show is good it will be mature even without sexual things, and adding gore doesn't make a show more mature, if mostly eerything being produced is aimed at tteenager is ebcause anime has become mainstream among teenagers, but the lack of sexual contnt in them has notihng to do with their maturity, majority of anime with fanservice are aimeed at teenagers, thats different with manga because seinen don't get adapted but this discussion is specific to anime I find this kind of thinking rather selfish, just because you don't like a certain theme it is not necessary to eliminate it, I agree that you can create a masterpiece even without fanservice, there are many, but only for this it should not limit artistic creativity, as I have already said, now the ecchi shows and fanservice have been in sharp decline for years and this is also confirmed by sales. the problem of the anime on the contrary today is an excessive use of political correctness and the excessive use of the same themes such as moe and lately isekai, more creative freedom would be needed in order to go back to the origins and also be able to create something original |
e5812Nov 8, 2021 11:48 AM
e5812 said: Dort said: well yeah, but where did you read that in my comments? you are treating it as its not the authors' fault while it clearly is, its not the decline in sales that make the authors' less creative but the flipped around conceptI find this kind of thinking rather selfish, just because you don't like a certain theme it is not necessary to eliminate it, I agree that you can create a masterpiece even without fanservice, there are many, but only for this it should not limit artistic creativity, as I have already said, now the ecchi shows and fanservice have been in sharp decline for years and this is also confirmed by sales. the problem of the anime on the contrary today is an excessive use of political correctness and the excessive use of the same themes such as moe and lately isekai, more creative freedom would be needed in order to go back to the origins and also be able to create something original I repeat myself, not the sales (those are just an indication of how the ecchi phenomenon has been declining for years), but the fact of limiting creative freedom, this in every media, leads to the creation of copies of copies because you can't do anything else , creative freedom for me is the way even at the expense of modern moralisms |
Dort said: maybe i fail to understand what you mean but can you explain how political fairness affect fanservice more in detail, as probably the only way fanservice would come off as politically offensive might be implementing kinks in it, i still stand by my oint that fanservice killed itself, becuase fnaservice is a concept with limited uses, and i don't see how it would come off as politically incorrect except if it was something like redo of healere5812 said: well yeah, but where did you read that in my comments? you are treating it as its not the authors' fault while it clearly is, its not the decline in sales that make the authors' less creative but the flipped around concept I repeat myself, not the sales (those are just an indication of how the ecchi phenomenon has been declining for years), but the fact of limiting creative freedom, this in every media, leads to the creation of copies of copies because you can't do anything else , creative freedom for me is the way even at the expense of modern moralisms |
Opticflash said: Deathko said: You almost had a point, then I opened your profile and 2nd fav characters is... middle schooler whose only purpose in the show is the be a target for pedo MC. In a show that actively tries to make scenes with kids arousing and portrays the MC as the greatest dude in town. That's exactly the problem people have with that stuff. Violence and sexuality are part of life and I see no reason to not portray them. But if a show went arount trying to give people a boner for murder, it'd get canceled extra hard. Incitation to murder, yada yada. And no show actually does this. But lots of shows try to give teens a boner for rapey/"lolicon" shit. That's obviously where the backlash against rapey/"lolicon" shit in anime comes from. No, it's not double standards between violence and sexuality. You'd treat violence the same way some anime shows treat molesting little girls, you'd get a crapload of backlash. Hatred (video game) got slammed by pretty much every video game critic out there. I think there are plenty of video games that normalize immoral actions; Grand Theft Auto is a prime example. Other games and anime/TV shows glorify other dangerous acts like street racing. Having played three GTA games extensively, I can say I have never seen this series normalize violence. It normalizes burning red traffic lights, I guess... I still respect them because no one in their right mind would drive like a tard on their way to a heist U_U |
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Deathko said: Opticflash said: I think there are plenty of video games that normalize immoral actions; Grand Theft Auto is a prime example. Other games and anime/TV shows glorify other dangerous acts like street racing. Having played three GTA games extensively, I can say I have never seen this series normalize violence. It normalizes burning red traffic lights, I guess... I still respect them because no one in their right mind would drive like a tard on their way to a heist U_U I grew up playing GTA SA (and also VC). Never got around to playing 4 or 5. I remember GTA SA in particular, and many immoral actions were normalized. For example, you sprayed graffiti over the graffiti of enemy gangs, beat up crack addicts with baseball bats, etc. You rob and kill, and do a host of other illicit activities, to get to the top. You race for cash, you can get many girlfriends, etc. In one memorable mission, you kill a bunch of construction workers in the most disturbing way because they called your sister a hooker. I also grew up with other games like Need For Speed Underground or anime/manga like Initial D where street racing was glorified. |
e5812 said: Dort said: maybe i fail to understand what you mean but can you explain how political fairness affect fanservice more in detail, as probably the only way fanservice would come off as politically offensive might be implementing kinks in it, i still stand by my oint that fanservice killed itself, becuase fnaservice is a concept with limited uses, and i don't see how it would come off as politically incorrect except if it was something like redo of healerI repeat myself, not the sales (those are just an indication of how the ecchi phenomenon has been declining for years), but the fact of limiting creative freedom, this in every media, leads to the creation of copies of copies because you can't do anything else , creative freedom for me is the way even at the expense of modern moralisms Now we have censored games, censored movies, censored TV series, everything has to be politically correct, just look around, do you live in another world? Or maybe you are too young to see the differences with the past more likely ... if in the past a great artist or scientist would have cared about common morals we would never have made any progress, so no, I am totally against any form of censorship, we are speaking of fiction after all, no real people is harmed, so why care? This speech made sense 10 years or more ago but not now when we are going totally in the opposite direction |
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| Yes at the very least I would rate an anime with such scenes higher, than anime without them. "Kageki Shoujo" is a good example, while it was a pretty show, with decent plot and captivating backstory. It was because of only one such scene in the entire show, that I decided to give it a 7/10 in stead of a 6/10. |
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Dort said: you alredy said it but i asked for examples regardding how fanservice changed deu to the censure that has been implemented over the yearse5812 said: maybe i fail to understand what you mean but can you explain how political fairness affect fanservice more in detail, as probably the only way fanservice would come off as politically offensive might be implementing kinks in it, i still stand by my oint that fanservice killed itself, becuase fnaservice is a concept with limited uses, and i don't see how it would come off as politically incorrect except if it was something like redo of healer Now we have censored games, censored movies, censored TV series, everything has to be politically correct, just look around, do you live in another world? Or maybe you are too young to see the differences with the past more likely ... if in the past a great artist or scientist would have cared about common morals we would never have made any progress, so no, I am totally against any form of censorship, we are speaking of fiction after all, no real people is harmed, so why care? This speech made sense 10 years or more ago but not now when we are going totally in the opposite direction |
e5812 said: Dort said: you alredy said it but i asked for examples regardding how fanservice changed deu to the censure that has been implemented over the yearsNow we have censored games, censored movies, censored TV series, everything has to be politically correct, just look around, do you live in another world? Or maybe you are too young to see the differences with the past more likely ... if in the past a great artist or scientist would have cared about common morals we would never have made any progress, so no, I am totally against any form of censorship, we are speaking of fiction after all, no real people is harmed, so why care? This speech made sense 10 years or more ago but not now when we are going totally in the opposite direction It is obvious but you don't want to understand, I have already explained myself, i'm not gonna repeat another time, if you think that the fanservice is the same as 10-30 years ago you are dead wrong, that's why this kind of discussion makes no sense, you guys are complaining about a problem that has been gone for years, I haven't seen such situations in anime for I don't know how long, they are really rare to see today in regular anime, you really have to search for them |
Dort said: ok, but you still didn't reall yprovide any example that prove that it was because fo censorship and not because of another reason regardless of what that is, i'm not saying that fanservice is the same and i'm not complaining about sexual harassment in anime, i'm literally just asking you to make an examplee5812 said: you alredy said it but i asked for examples regardding how fanservice changed deu to the censure that has been implemented over the years It is obvious but you don't want to understand, I have already explained myself, i'm not gonna repeat another time, if you think that the fanservice is the same as 10-30 years ago you are dead wrong, that's why this kind of discussion makes no sense, you guys are complaining about a problem that has been gone for years, I haven't seen such situations in anime for I don't know how long, they are really rare to see today in regular anime, you really have to search for them |
e5812 said: Dort said: ok, but you still didn't reall yprovide any example that prove that it was because fo censorship and not because of another reason regardless of what that is, i'm not saying that fanservice is the same and i'm not complaining about sexual harassment in anime, i'm literally just asking you to make an exampleIt is obvious but you don't want to understand, I have already explained myself, i'm not gonna repeat another time, if you think that the fanservice is the same as 10-30 years ago you are dead wrong, that's why this kind of discussion makes no sense, you guys are complaining about a problem that has been gone for years, I haven't seen such situations in anime for I don't know how long, they are really rare to see today in regular anime, you really have to search for them i don't understand what kind of example you want, only a producer can tell you the way he chose to animate a scene in a way instead of another |
Deathko said: I'm not a teenager though, I'm an old ass dude and I like Hachikuji for my own reasons: it's kind of relatable how she is cursed to always be lost unable to find the way or whatever her deal was.pasanoid said: Just watched an anime with some sexual harassment scene. Now I feel normalized, gotta go rape some bitches on the street. -- Is this how you imagine it? I honestly never seen an non-hentai anime that has protagonist go around intentionally assaulting ppl in sexual way, it's always the antagonist that may have such inclinations. So what's the problem then? The content too mature for you? Go watch kids anime then, Safespace Soyjak bois You almost had a point, then I opened your profile and 2nd fav characters is... middle schooler whose only purpose in the show is the be a target for pedo MC. In a show that actively tries to make scenes with kids arousing and portrays the MC as the greatest dude in town. That's exactly the problem people have with that stuff. Violence and sexuality are part of life and I see no reason to not portray them. But if a show went arount trying to give people a boner for murder, it'd get canceled extra hard. Incitation to murder, yada yada. And no show actually does this. But lots of shows try to give teens a boner for rapey/"lolicon" shit. That's obviously where the backlash against rapey/"lolicon" shit in anime comes from. No, it's not double standards between violence and sexuality. You'd treat violence the same way some anime shows treat molesting little girls, you'd get a crapload of backlash. Hatred (video game) got slammed by pretty much every video game critic out there. |
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pasanoid said: Never said you're a teenager, but your own favorite characters contradict you heavily when you say "I honestly never seen an non-hentai anime that has protagonist go around intentionally assaulting ppl in sexual way, it's always the antagonist that may have such inclinations."Deathko said: I'm not a teenager though, I'm an old ass dude and I like Hachikuji for my own reasons: it's kind of relatable how she is cursed to always be lost unable to find the way or whatever her deal was.You almost had a point, then I opened your profile and 2nd fav characters is... middle schooler whose only purpose in the show is the be a target for pedo MC. In a show that actively tries to make scenes with kids arousing and portrays the MC as the greatest dude in town. That's exactly the problem people have with that stuff. Violence and sexuality are part of life and I see no reason to not portray them. But if a show went arount trying to give people a boner for murder, it'd get canceled extra hard. Incitation to murder, yada yada. And no show actually does this. But lots of shows try to give teens a boner for rapey/"lolicon" shit. That's obviously where the backlash against rapey/"lolicon" shit in anime comes from. No, it's not double standards between violence and sexuality. You'd treat violence the same way some anime shows treat molesting little girls, you'd get a crapload of backlash. Hatred (video game) got slammed by pretty much every video game critic out there. Which I prob wouldn't have noted either in normal circumstances, but you took extra steps to make sure everybody who didn't agree with you was called an immature tard soyboy in your original post. |
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Deathko said: I guess you have a point here. I did kind of forget about the trashy side of monogatari. Still the exceptions do not contradict the general rule since the exceptions are rare and exceptionalpasanoid said: Never said you're a teenager, but your own favorite characters contradict you heavily when you say "I honestly never seen an non-hentai anime that has protagonist go around intentionally assaulting ppl in sexual way, it's always the antagonist that may have such inclinations."I'm not a teenager though, I'm an old ass dude and I like Hachikuji for my own reasons: it's kind of relatable how she is cursed to always be lost unable to find the way or whatever her deal was. Which I prob wouldn't have noted either in normal circumstances, but you took extra steps to make sure everybody who didn't agree with you was called an immature tard soyboy in your original post. |
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| It is fiction so everything is okay and justifiable. |
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| It's Japan. That country has it's own disturbing shit that happens IRL. A whole lot of women are harassed and exploited over there. So it's no surprise that it shows up on anime/manga too. Or more like, there's a lot of freedom for people to not hesitate to add those types of scenes/situations. Have you heard of Japan having a vending machine that sells women's used underwear? Yeah. |
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