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Jun 16, 2021 3:20 AM
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Now I haven't read the Manga so no spoilers please.
I'm actually surprised no one has called out to this.My main problem is he is actually very dumb.He has seen science inventions before that incident happened and he knows Senku is a genius but he still wants Senku to subject to him.I was actually laughing at this.Why didn't he calculate the possibility that if Senku reinvents a full fledged gun,Tsukasa's army is pretty much over?Also why doesn't he realize that old and young HAVE to co exist together in order for the society to progress?It's because of old people that the youngsters exist.He really said he just wants to revive only the young ones but all you can see in the army are old bums.
I just don't understand why the author even considered him to be the villain.
If you see yourself as dumb,just look at Tsukasa.
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What is the question exactly? Tsukasa knew Senku could reinvent the guns. That's why he 'killed' Senku.
And he thought the older people are greedy, selfish idiots because of the concept of personnal property.
He wanted to create a new society where personnal property doesn't exist. So the younglings stay pure.
Jun 16, 2021 3:41 AM
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What is the question exactly? Tsukasa knew Senku could reinvent the guns. That's why he 'killed' Senku.
And he thought the older people are greedy, selfish idiots because of the concept of personnal property.
He wanted to create a new society where personnal property doesn't exist. So the younglings stay pure.

But then again,he should realize the society wouldn't able to progress if old and young ones don't cooperate and he was randomly destroying the stones without even knowing or even meeting them.That's actually dumb.

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Jun 16, 2021 4:05 AM
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Tsukasa isn’t a villain tho...he’s just a character meant to be the antagonist until the world setting is established so the series can move onto the real plot.
Jun 16, 2021 4:08 AM
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Scordolo said:
ktg said:
What is the question exactly? Tsukasa knew Senku could reinvent the guns. That's why he 'killed' Senku.
And he thought the older people are greedy, selfish idiots because of the concept of personnal property.
He wanted to create a new society where personnal property doesn't exist. So the younglings stay pure.

But then again,he should realize the society wouldn't able to progress if old and young ones don't cooperate and he was randomly destroying the stones without even knowing or even meeting them.That's actually dumb.

He want them to be able to cooperate, but he thinks the old society's adults are rotten, so doesn't want to cooperate with them or he thinks they cannot cooperate with them.

He clearly wants a new society with adults too but without the greed.
Jun 16, 2021 4:10 AM
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ktg said:
Scordolo said:

But then again,he should realize the society wouldn't able to progress if old and young ones don't cooperate and he was randomly destroying the stones without even knowing or even meeting them.That's actually dumb.

He want them to be able to cooperate, but he thinks the old society's adults are rotten, so doesn't want to cooperate with them or he thinks they cannot cooperate with them.

He clearly wants a new society with adults too but without the greed.

You are clearly ignoring my point.The way he is destroying random stones when he haven't even met them is pretty pointless.
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Tsukasa isn’t a villain tho...he’s just a character meant to be the antagonist until the world setting is established so the series can move onto the real plot.

I clearly said no manga spoilers.
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Scordolo said:
ktg said:

He want them to be able to cooperate, but he thinks the old society's adults are rotten, so doesn't want to cooperate with them or he thinks they cannot cooperate with them.

He clearly wants a new society with adults too but without the greed.

You are clearly ignoring my point.The way he is destroying random stones when he haven't even met them is pretty pointless.
GreiLugaj said:
Tsukasa isn’t a villain tho...he’s just a character meant to be the antagonist until the world setting is established so the series can move onto the real plot.

I clearly said no manga spoilers.

It aint a manga spoiler. I’m referring to season 2 which is already finished.
Jun 16, 2021 4:50 AM
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Scordolo said:
Now I haven't read the Manga so no spoilers please.
I'm actually surprised no one has called out to this.My main problem is he is actually very dumb.He has seen science inventions before that incident happened and he knows Senku is a genius but he still wants Senku to subject to him.I was actually laughing at this.Why didn't he calculate the possibility that if Senku reinvents a full fledged gun,Tsukasa's army is pretty much over?Also why doesn't he realize that old and young HAVE to co exist together in order for the society to progress?It's because of old people that the youngsters exist.He really said he just wants to revive only the young ones but all you can see in the army are old bums.
I just don't understand why the author even considered him to be the villain.
If you see yourself as dumb,just look at Tsukasa.


But he beleived senku was dead ... Also making a gun really isn't that easy, even for a genius😅.

The idea of telling a story with him as an extreme idealised seems fairly logical to me. He's meant to be a person and young people espically don't always act on what's practical. I amment really seeing what your getting at👍.
Jun 16, 2021 5:26 AM
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Scordolo said:
ktg said:

He want them to be able to cooperate, but he thinks the old society's adults are rotten, so doesn't want to cooperate with them or he thinks they cannot cooperate with them.

He clearly wants a new society with adults too but without the greed.

You are clearly ignoring my point.The way he is destroying random stones when he haven't even met them is pretty pointless.

He thinks the pointless thing is to revive them and talk to them first. He thinks EVERY adults are rotten.
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momentie said:
Scordolo said:
Now I haven't read the Manga so no spoilers please.
I'm actually surprised no one has called out to this.My main problem is he is actually very dumb.He has seen science inventions before that incident happened and he knows Senku is a genius but he still wants Senku to subject to him.I was actually laughing at this.Why didn't he calculate the possibility that if Senku reinvents a full fledged gun,Tsukasa's army is pretty much over?Also why doesn't he realize that old and young HAVE to co exist together in order for the society to progress?It's because of old people that the youngsters exist.He really said he just wants to revive only the young ones but all you can see in the army are old bums.
I just don't understand why the author even considered him to be the villain.
If you see yourself as dumb,just look at Tsukasa.


But he beleived senku was dead ... Also making a gun really isn't that easy, even for a genius😅.

The idea of telling a story with him as an extreme idealised seems fairly logical to me. He's meant to be a person and young people espically don't always act on what's practical. I amment really seeing what your getting at👍.

A question.did he get proper education?Or was he just focused on fighting?

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Scordolo said:
momentie said:


But he beleived senku was dead ... Also making a gun really isn't that easy, even for a genius😅.

The idea of telling a story with him as an extreme idealised seems fairly logical to me. He's meant to be a person and young people espically don't always act on what's practical. I amment really seeing what your getting at👍.

A question.did he get proper education?Or was he just focused on fighting?


Sorry? He's a highschool kid, I'm not sure how to answer that😅. If your suggesting his being an idealist is invalid because he's not educted then your being a bit silly. The point of young idealists is that their impractical, world peace and equality is a nice idea, anyone can have regardless of education or background but isn't particularly easy to achieve.
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Well well, shit or no, i like his character design
Jun 16, 2021 5:55 AM

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ktg said:
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You are clearly ignoring my point.The way he is destroying random stones when he haven't even met them is pretty pointless.

He thinks the pointless thing is to revive them and talk to them first. He thinks EVERY adults are rotten.

Similar to Light where he also thinks every Criminal are bad people which is wrong but in Light's case his execution and plans are more interesting and his actions HAVE HUGE CONSEQUENCES but in Tsukasa's case his actions have literally no consequences at all and will be saved by asspulls.
momentie said:
Scordolo said:

A question.did he get proper education?Or was he just focused on fighting?


Sorry? He's a highschool kid, I'm not sure how to answer that😅. If your suggesting his being an idealist is invalid because he's not educted then your being a bit silly. The point of young idealists is that their impractical, world peace and equality is a nice idea, anyone can have regardless of education or background but isn't particularly easy to achieve.

Hmm,yeah I was pretty much in the wrong here.

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Scordolo said:
ktg said:

He thinks the pointless thing is to revive them and talk to them first. He thinks EVERY adults are rotten.

Similar to Light where he also thinks every Criminal are bad people which is wrong but in Light's case his execution and plans are more interesting and his actions HAVE HUGE CONSEQUENCES but in Tsukasa's case his actions have literally no consequences at all and will be saved by asspulls.
momentie said:


Sorry? He's a highschool kid, I'm not sure how to answer that😅. If your suggesting his being an idealist is invalid because he's not educted then your being a bit silly. The point of young idealists is that their impractical, world peace and equality is a nice idea, anyone can have regardless of education or background but isn't particularly easy to achieve.

Hmm,yeah I was pretty much in the wrong here.


Glad to see you can see my perspective😎👍
Jun 16, 2021 6:38 AM
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How is tsukasa dumb? He’s the second smartest person alive imo. He knows if senku can obtain gun powder then he has no defense against that, which is why he tried to kill senku. Even after killing senku he was smart enough to think if the possibility that somehow senku survived his broken neck, so he sent gen and hyoga with his team to scout the village for senku. He also believed senku only knew of the bat guano cave as a source of nitric acid, so tsukasa kept it guarded 24/7. Tsukasa also formulated a great army with his interpersonal skills, which no dumb person would be able to do. He obviously knows that young people become old, but his philosophy centers around the idea that the young generation are full of new ideas and righteous morals. The older generation was corrupted by previous generations teachings and do not have a righteous moral compass according to him. He simply wants to rewrite society to be less authoritative and judge mental, not kill all old people. He was a really well thought out character, and isn’t a villain in the slightest. Just the antagonist of the story, the opposite of the protagonist, senku’s, views.
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How is tsukasa dumb? He’s the second smartest person alive imo. He knows if senku can obtain gun powder then he has no defense against that, which is why he tried to kill senku. Even after killing senku he was smart enough to think if the possibility that somehow senku survived his broken neck, so he sent gen and hyoga with his team to scout the village for senku. He also believed senku only knew of the bat guano cave as a source of nitric acid, so tsukasa kept it guarded 24/7. Tsukasa also formulated a great army with his interpersonal skills, which no dumb person would be able to do. He obviously knows that young people become old, but his philosophy centers around the idea that the young generation are full of new ideas and righteous morals. The older generation was corrupted by previous generations teachings and do not have a righteous moral compass according to him. He simply wants to rewrite society to be less authoritative and judge mental, not kill all old people. He was a really well thought out character, and isn’t a villain in the slightest. Just the antagonist of the story, the opposite of the protagonist, senku’s, views.

My point was him killing random people who are in stones is so pointless but I get you.

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Scordolo said:
slimepoop said:
How is tsukasa dumb? He’s the second smartest person alive imo. He knows if senku can obtain gun powder then he has no defense against that, which is why he tried to kill senku. Even after killing senku he was smart enough to think if the possibility that somehow senku survived his broken neck, so he sent gen and hyoga with his team to scout the village for senku. He also believed senku only knew of the bat guano cave as a source of nitric acid, so tsukasa kept it guarded 24/7. Tsukasa also formulated a great army with his interpersonal skills, which no dumb person would be able to do. He obviously knows that young people become old, but his philosophy centers around the idea that the young generation are full of new ideas and righteous morals. The older generation was corrupted by previous generations teachings and do not have a righteous moral compass according to him. He simply wants to rewrite society to be less authoritative and judge mental, not kill all old people. He was a really well thought out character, and isn’t a villain in the slightest. Just the antagonist of the story, the opposite of the protagonist, senku’s, views.

My point was him killing random people who are in stones is so pointless but I get you.
yeah it was a little pointless killing old people in stone, I think his reasoning behind it might have been so they never get revived incase senku did somehow survive his broken neck, or if a person in his army wanted to revive elders, I don’t think he explained exactly why he did it, but He definitely didn’t enjoy doing it based off of how he told senku that he remembered every single person he broke/killed.
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slimepoop said:
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My point was him killing random people who are in stones is so pointless but I get you.
yeah it was a little pointless killing old people in stone, I think his reasoning behind it might have been so they never get revived incase senku did somehow survive his broken neck, or if a person in his army wanted to revive elders, I don’t think he explained exactly why he did it, but He definitely didn’t enjoy doing it based off of how he told senku that he remembered every single person he broke/killed.

I guess they just wanted to show that Tsukasa can also sometimes be humane too but my point still stands killing random people was pointless.

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I don't know but don't take it too seriously as he's actually not a villain. As you can see from season 2, he's just an antagonist who had different views from our protagonist. It's not that he just hates the old. Of course he knows that the young people he mentions all the time are going to turn old one day. The point is that he wants to take this opportunity (stone world) to start from fresh or rather restart from young people not being brainwashed by the old generation/old greedy and selfish people.
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ktg said:
What is the question exactly? Tsukasa knew Senku could reinvent the guns. That's why he 'killed' Senku.
And he thought the older people are greedy, selfish idiots because of the concept of personnal property.
He wanted to create a new society where personnal property doesn't exist. So the younglings stay pure.
yeah this was explained in the show i don’t know how he missed it tsukasa isn’t a bad villain and he’s not dumb
Jun 16, 2021 9:11 AM
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Omak a shit villain
Jun 16, 2021 9:14 AM
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I mean was he ever meant to be taken seriously? I just consider him to another element added by the author for plot progression.
Jun 16, 2021 2:22 PM
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He’s not really a villain tbh
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Actually he is not dumb.Reason why he wants to create society where there is not old ppl is cuz of his past.Idk what's ur point here
Jun 16, 2021 9:39 PM
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If he had common sense then he wouldn’t be much of a villain would he? It’s like how people argue that thanos’s ideology. If thanos had a good point he wouldn’t have been the villain. Similarly, tsukasa goes on an on about abolishing social classes and then proceeds to sit on a throne and enforce social classes in his own village (sorta like communists in the real world). He’s supposed to be on the wrong side that’s what makes him a villain.
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I agree for the most part. Was I the only one at the end of the second season that went wtf? Up until the last few episodes they had such a strong rivalry I was kinda underwhelmed by what happened.
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tsukasa isnt really a villain? hes just a antagonist
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Even thought many will say he is «dumb» I think he is a good repartition of how our toxic society today can really us blind to what is right. Where he was so damaged by how the society worked and how it affected him and his sister. So he tried everything in his power to not make that reality again where he as a «poor» boy had to work harder than the rich and was at a disvantage that he could not control. And he wanted to take that control. This mentality that he has created shows that he is selfish but human. I don’t think he is shit, i think he just shows another perspective of how our past can shape us and totalty make us blind to what is right. (Im sorry if there is any writing mistakes my first language is not english:D)

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