Showcasing MAPPA's compositing and effects work for AoT season 4. What do you think? [Source: CGWorld Vol 272]
Attack on Titan
  My personal opinions: I think it's clear that it's not just a 'blur filter'. Sometimes it's colour overlays, dust overlay, texture overlays, lens flares, blurring of the colours, etc. It's complicated work. But yeah, I do think it's hit and miss. It sometimes look great and cinematic, and sometimes I feel they're taking it a bit overboard. In the end, it's kind of MAPPA's style. Like how WIT had thick outlines around characters in season 1. I'm 95% sure that its done to blend in the CG better. I watched a few Jujutsu Kaisen episodes. They also tend to have these blurry overlays, but, it's not as strong as AoT. I'm also not a huge fan of the black lines in every place where there is shadow (Look at Colt's face on the left of the first image). Seems like a stylistic choice to give the effect of the art being 'more detailed', but I feel like so many black lines gives a certain feeling of uneasiness or intensity which should only be reserved for certain expressions. This is also, something that MAPPA does only in AoT. None of their other anime have the black lines in the shadows 24/7. |
Awesomeness_1307Mar 26, 2021 5:59 AM
| It's weird how crispy clear everything looks before the effects are added. Some shots would definitely look better without it. I particularly like the Pieck pic as well as the background detail in the first pic with Jaw Titan. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: It's weird how crispy clear everything looks before the effects are added. Some shots would definitely look better without it. I particularly like the Pieck pic as well as the background detail in the first pic with Jaw Titan. Also, is it just me or does some of the CG look better without the effect ? |
TitanInsane said: Yes, both Armor and Beast look better IMO. Also, I would say the first pics look a lot like something WIT would do.I_Am_Freeballing said: It's weird how crispy clear everything looks before the effects are added. Some shots would definitely look better without it. I particularly like the Pieck pic as well as the background detail in the first pic with Jaw Titan. Also, is it just me or does some of the CG look better without the effect ? |
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| once again proving Shigeki Asakawa is a hack,this time its official pictures |
| The CGI actually looks more hand-drawn without the filter. That Attack Titan pic looks like it could be 2D. |
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| Where are these images from? |
MironBiron said: A magazine about 3DCG that talked about AOT Final Season. It came out last month I think. There is a lot of stuff in there, you could probably find the pdf file of it if you googled it. The whole issue is about it I believe.Where are these images from? |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: A magazine about 3DCG that talked about AOT Final Season. It came out last month I think. There is a lot of stuff in there, you could probably find the pdf file of it if you googled it. The whole issue is about it I believe. Are there translations available? On twitter maybe? If so, do you have a link? |
MironBiron said: I'm currently trying to find it in pdf format since pics are the actual interesting part. I believe parts were translated here an there but nothing too new is said really. I believe the only thing I found interesting is that they only completed the models in July, after the trailer was released which is why they didn't use it in there. More horrible schedule talks and such. They basically had 4 months with the CG models which is absolutely horrible.I_Am_Freeballing said: A magazine about 3DCG that talked about AOT Final Season. It came out last month I think. There is a lot of stuff in there, you could probably find the pdf file of it if you googled it. The whole issue is about it I believe. Are there translations available? On twitter maybe? If so, do you have a link? |
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| @I_Am_Freeballing Thanks for your answer. Is it old or did it drop today? |
| It's about a month old. Here are some translations: https://twitter.com/kasumi_kasa/status/1369585653986467840 Here is the scan: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mZz8T4JxokbyKwXvyCB2Tjdha-UAC1g2/view |
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| @I_Am_Freeballing Thanks! |
Blackkatsu001 said: Hey, it's been a long time since I last saw you in this forum. What's your favourite episode in this season so far ? Episode 8 is the only brilliant one but there’s some scenes from other episodes that I really like. –Reiner’s breakdown in episode 5 –Pieck getting destroyed in episode 7 –Gabi and Falco screaming for Reiner in episode 7 –Tatakai Tatakai in episode 9 –Zeke and Levi talking shit in episode 9 –Eren and Hanji in episode 10 –Gabi and Falco’s escape from prison in episode 11 –Niccolo’s clash with Gabi and Falco in episode 13 –The entire thing with Gabi and Niccolo up until Sasha’s dad’s speech in episode 13 These are really good but the quality of the rest (especially everything involving either Yelena or Pyxis or both) is very unimpressive compared to it. It’s really nice to get surprised by a scene every now and then though. |
| Okay so I just looked up CGWorld Vol 272 and looked at a few more things on Twitter (Here is the source of what I'm talking about: https://twitter.com/aotwiki/status/1367072067011633155) and I gotta say that I absolutely love the sketch of the Attack Titan Here is what I'm talking about:  (I apologize for the image being blurry, the image was pretty small so when I zoomed on it and took a screenshot, it ended up looking like this) |
Zackack99May 24, 2021 10:10 AM
Kharan said: WTF. The unfinished thing looked better than the final product. Why MAPPA?! Why! Lmao, now I'm even more salty at what could've been. As someone said above, these first pics looked just like WIT. We could've had it all MAPPA. We could've. If only... Heh, I guess now I know who to blame specifically. Mappa anime quality would look 10x better if they no longer employ that hack. but it seems she has connections with them. so lets just hope she gets delegated to original anime at least. |
| Surprised no one here noticed this yet. But that face of Colt is from ch 119. Does that mean they have already animated some episodes from part 2? The fact that this is in a CG magazine means part 2 will have a ton of CG as well. LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!! |
| Huh, the CGI actually looks more hand-drawn without the added textures. But I don't remember the episodes themselves looking that blurry, maybe it's because of the TV and settings I have for watching it. |
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Taltibalti said: Surprised no one here noticed this yet. But that face of Colt is from ch 119. Does that mean they have already animated some episodes from part 2? The fact that this is in a CG magazine means part 2 will have a ton of CG as well. LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!! haha holy shit did not even catch that,my brain registered it as ep 1 since all the ones next to it were so. i guess fall 2021 is looking more likely |
Sad7727 said: Taltibalti said: Surprised no one here noticed this yet. But that face of Colt is from ch 119. Does that mean they have already animated some episodes from part 2? The fact that this is in a CG magazine means part 2 will have a ton of CG as well. LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!! haha holy shit did not even catch that,my brain registered it as ep 1 since all the ones next to it were so. i guess fall 2021 is looking more likely that Colt pic looks good did they bring boldened outlines back? |
Sad7727 said: Exactly my thoughts she is completely ruining animators work and it's clear she can't do her job as a cinematographer.once again proving Shigeki Asakawa is a hack,this time its official pictures |
| damn I thought the photography knew what he was doing. Some of the shots would definitely look better without the effects and lens blur/glare whatever it is lmao. I think that one reddit thread said that because of it the cgi is more noticeable. For a second there I thought they drew the attack titan. welp lets hope the blu ray fixes it lol. and holy shit colt's face in 119. Maybe after credits scene???? |
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Taltibalti said: Surprised no one here noticed this yet. But that face of Colt is from ch 119. Does that mean they have already animated some episodes from part 2? The fact that this is in a CG magazine means part 2 will have a ton of CG as well. LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!! It's possible that although it may be rushed, episode 16 might end on the cliffhanger when |
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Xesty17 said: Taltibalti said: Surprised no one here noticed this yet. But that face of Colt is from ch 119. Does that mean they have already animated some episodes from part 2? The fact that this is in a CG magazine means part 2 will have a ton of CG as well. LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!! It's possible that although it may be rushed, episode 16 might end on the cliffhanger when There is no way they'll jump 5 chapters in 1 episode. The only chance of that face being in the next episode is if its in a teaser of some sort. |
| Wow. This season has some really cool animations, I really liked Reiner's animation in slava. I think it was the best titan scene we've ever had. |
| End Zionazism |
| Colt's panel being from 119 doesn't really mean anything. We know they've been working on Part 2 for 6 months now. It also looks different as someone else said above, you can see the black lines outlining his character and we haven't really seen that in Part 1. I'm hoping my theory about them wanting to do Part 2 really well is the reason why Part 1 wasn't anything special visually. I am willing to bet the reason Hayashi didn't direct any episodes in Part 1 is because he's been working on Part 2 the whole time. |
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| The unfinished art looks a lot crisper, but with that mind, these are still shots, and we have no idea how these would have looked animated. The effects used may have been added to cover up inconsistencies in the CGI that looked more jarring and noticeable without them. |
I_Am_Freeballing said: Part 2 has some scenes like Colt's panel being from 119 doesn't really mean anything. We know they've been working on Part 2 for 6 months now. It also looks different as someone else said above, you can see the black lines outlining his character and we haven't really seen that in Part 1. I'm hoping my theory about them wanting to do Part 2 really well is the reason why Part 1 wasn't anything special visually. I am willing to bet the reason Hayashi didn't direct any episodes in Part 1 is because he's been working on Part 2 the whole time. that is definitely gonna require some unique and creative directing. I really want to see how Hayashi is gonna do it, they are some of the things I am most looking forward to. |
| This is a really interesting article to read. The more I find out about the technicalities behind the compositing and CGI for this show, the more I'm impressed by the fact that they were able to produce stuff of this quality in such a short period. I agree with some about the feel of the pre-processed scenes. It's almost reminiscent to WIT's feel, and the titan stills really blended well with the environment and almost looked like it was more raw and hand drawn vs the final output. Seeing more of the images in the article made me think that the photography in this season is a bit off and overprocessed but doesn't really take away from the experience. I just hope they do improve that in the next season, maybe hire someone better or do it in-house just like what they did in JJK. |
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xenosys said: The unfinished art looks a lot crisper, but with that mind, these are still shots, and we have no idea how these would have looked animated. The effects used may have been added to cover up inconsistencies in the CGI that looked more jarring and noticeable without them. Exactly! I can only imagine how janky these shots would look animated because they wouldn't mix well with motion. |
Awesomeness_1307 said: please tell me if they will remove blur on BD or BLURAY, if so I would be excited to buy them, and if not why do they show blur-free images? Please let me knowMy personal opinions: I think it's clear that it's not just a 'blur filter'. Sometimes it's colour overlays, dust overlay, texture overlays, lens flares, blurring of the colours, etc. It's complicated work. But yeah, I do think it's hit and miss. It sometimes look great and cinematic, and sometimes I feel they're taking it a bit overboard. In the end, it's kind of MAPPA's style. Like how WIT had thick outlines around characters in season 1. I'm 95% sure that its done to blend in the CG better. I watched a few Jujutsu Kaisen episodes. They also tend to have these blurry overlays, but, it's not as strong as AoT. I'm also not a huge fan of the black lines in every place where there is shadow (Look at Colt's face on the left of the first image). Seems like a stylistic choice to give the effect of the art being 'more detailed', but I feel like so many black lines gives a certain feeling of uneasiness or intensity which should only be reserved for certain expressions. This is also, something that MAPPA does only in AoT. None of their other anime have the black lines in the shadows 24/7. |
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