Attack on Titan
| I will say this again, I have never seen any work of fiction have this much attention to detail as this manga. Something people have glossed over that I like to discuss is Eren's own view and own desires beyond his relationship with his friends and beyond his sense of morality, as complex as that alone may be... It's to escape the walls and find all these wild places, no humans, just freedom. He was utterly disappointed by the existence of humans in general, enemy or no. Like going to a picnic outside and realizing the park is full of other tourists, except the toursits are shitty humans in general. Think about it, a world with only a single people (the eldians within the walls) there's no way but outward, forward, no way but to advance and it's all about exploring and learning and finding: satisfying curiosities. Eren feels betrayed that this is not how the world actually works. They are not the center of the world nor even at the top and advancement would go both ways. They dreamt of a world unknown, but that just their home, within the walls. This chapter was really heartbreaking too. I think that panel with young Eren shows how he fantasized about what he'd feel and say when they went beyond the walls, cut in half by the destructive reality. I really felt bad for those kids. Losing an arm for the money only to have to give it all up to save your life and die anyway, that salts so many wounds. This chapter has such a great emotional impact coupled with masterful writing and tie-ins to the beginnings of the series in utmost subtlety. This whole arc is on some Chimera Ant-levels of awesome. Though I gotta admit I don't see the divide in tone or continuiity between it and marley and still think of them as one arc. Maybe binge watching the series puts me at an advantage to connect the dots more easily as its fresh in my memory, but I highly recommend reading it all in one go. |
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deg said: but it was Kid Eren that said that and the teenager Eren even feel a lot of guilt doing the Rumbling then his eyes at one point suddenly closing up implying he breakdown and fainted and now asleep lol then we saw Ymir ghost implying she is the one in control of the Rumbling from that moment on I was referring to: Kid Eren celebrating the 'world' he imagined whilst reading that book while present Eren is witnessing its reality. I can't make any definitive claims on Ymir's role yet. |
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Jabungus said: It indeed is excellent. I really like the juxtaposition between how Eren is experiencing The Rumbling, and what is actually happening, the panel of him soaring above the clouds seems serene and joyful in isolation, but given the context of the story, ends up being one of the most disturbing panels I have seen in a manga. It feels like Eren mentally regressed back to his childhood desires because he couldn't cope with what he was doing, that's why he also seems to be asleep in the final panel of the chapter. Maybe Isayama was inspired by this concept by Freud https://bit.ly/3eMLPfM Yep, but I would swap the rumbling with the outside world in general. Eren didn't fantasize about the former. They did address this. Levi mused about how naïve they were and how the world they dreamt of and fought for was an ideal one, not reality. |
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| No, it isn't. But you do you, I guess. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| One of the best ever, I agree. |
| Chapter 131 was definitely an amazing one |
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| One of the greatest ever,definitely yes! This chapter is amazing! |
"Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder"~Rumi |
| “Chapter 131 is Possibly the Greatest Chapter in Any Manga Ever.“ - says a guy who has only read a couple shonen manga and nothing else |
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Tendo_GM said: Welp, even if you ask "what is the greatest chapter in any manga ever?" to anybody, they are most likely going to point out to a chapter from one of their own favorite series. Even for me, had this same chapter been in one of the manga that I actually do love, I would have definitely liked it much more.“Chapter 131 is Possibly the Greatest Chapter in Any Manga Ever.“ - says a guy who has only read a couple shonen manga and nothing else |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Tendo_GM said: “Chapter 131 is Possibly the Greatest Chapter in Any Manga Ever.“ - says a guy who has only read a couple shonen manga and nothing else I don't update my list in case some insecure nerds lurk on my profile. |
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I mean chapters 122/123 were up there with the Eclipse chapters from Berserk and the Chimera Ant arc from HxH but this one blew the comp out of the water. |
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Mikasa said: Yeah, but both Berserk and HxH arguably suck so, it is not that big of an accomplishment anyway :)I mean chapters 122/123 were up there with the Eclipse chapters from Berserk and the Chimera Ant arc from HxH but this one blew the comp out of the water. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Mikasa said: I mean chapters 122/123 were up there with the Eclipse chapters from Berserk and the Chimera Ant arc from HxH but this one blew the comp out of the water. You can have your opinion.I am not HxH fan and I am not a fan of chimera ant arc but Eclipse chapters from Berserk are amazing! If someone ask me what is the best chapter ever ... I say chapter 121 from AoT! I really love it a lot a lot a lot!(Chapter 131 is my second favorite chapter!) Or for example If someone ask me what is the best arc ever...I say WFP arc from AoT! I mean It's all relate to personal taste |
"Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder"~Rumi |
Mikasa said: I mean chapters 122/123 were up there with the Chimera Ant arc from HxH but this one blew the comp out of the water. You mean furry ants arc from Trash x Trash? |
MPanah said: Mikasa said: I mean chapters 122/123 were up there with the Eclipse chapters from Berserk and the Chimera Ant arc from HxH but this one blew the comp out of the water. You can have your opinion.I am not HxH fan and I am not a fan of chimera ant arc but Eclipse chapters from Berserk are amazing! If someone ask me what is the best chapter ever ... I say chapter 121 from AoT! I really love it a lot a lot a lot!(Chapter 131 is my second favorite chapter!) Or for example If someone ask me what is the best arc ever...I say WFP arc from AoT! I mean It's all relate to personal taste Yeah I think it's very hard to decide from these top-notch arcs. I mean these three works in particular (plus Shinsekai Yori if we count anime) are all the very top-tier of fantasy so I can see how chapters 122 or Eclipse could be seen as better :) |
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| The following lines from Chapter 131 are going to age really well after Chapter 139 drops: ‘‘The island... It’s to save Eldia... But it’s more than that...’’ |
BigBadonkerTrap said: You do be realized some interesting things, dont you? It’s what I usually do |
| Second time seeing this praise of 131 on MAl seems like I'm not the only one who really loves this chapter |
| Bruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
Pecado_Carnal said: It's a great chapter, yes. Specially because there's the possibility that some readers felt the same as Eren when discovering the basement. In fact, I'll say most people expected something about the origins of the titans that helped the protagonists defeat them and what they found it's nothing like that. People expected hope and only found more despair. Yes the moral ambiguity of this chapter was astoundingly well done. The eclipse from berserk had this raw emotional atmosphere but here it’s a lot more questionable and messes with your mind. |
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| I totally agree, that is why Historia child is Eren's, he just want to protect his family from the world. |
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NagatoXPain said: So because i am disagreeing with OPs opinion I am a "brat", i can tag something whenever i want to, i can certainly disgest OP opinion but i find something as ""peak fiction"" a weird word, IFollowKIngs said: The one who is childish and can't digest others opinion is you brat. The person posting this said clearly that she read berserk,HxH and many more manga but because you don't have same opinion as her you're just tagging whole thread as childish.Bruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? but i never see, the Beserk Fandom on ""Yes, its, peak fiction this Peak fiction that". its like your a insecure child or something but well"you do you i guess", your showing that indeed your part of the smal Minority of 14/16 year old insecure children. btw English is not my best language |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
IFollowKIngs said: Bruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? Genius, if you take the trouble yourself and look at his profile, you will realize that he has read famous mangas ... it is funny that a re zero fan says such a thing lol |
"Raise your words, not voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder"~Rumi |
NagatoXPain said: So this your response i am a brat because i dont like people overhyping shit, Ok, IFollowKIngs said: I guess English is really not your mother tongue because I can't understand whatever you are babbling about. It's your right to disagree with others opinions while genuinely criticise factors but you rather didn't give any reason and calling someone child because they like this chapter so that sums up who is the real child who can't even digest someone like certain things and after reading your replie you're seriously sound like 14 year old Brat or may be you're not mature enough and if you're taking about berserk which is a one age old manga so most fans appreciate it but in case of aot it's airing it's last season so it's natural that many anime onlies and manga reader will be discussing and represent their opinions because manga is coming to an end next month so rather calling someone because they like certain things you should grow up.So because i am disagreeing with OPs opinion I am a "brat", i can tag something whenever i want to, i can certainly disgest OP opinion but i find something as ""peak fiction"" a weird word, but i never see, the Beserk Fandom on ""Yes, its, peak fiction this Peak fiction that". its like your a insecure child or something but well"you do you i guess", your showing that indeed your part of the smal Minority of 14/16 year old insecure children. btw English is not my best language what i dont like about Aot, characters, most characters are really bland as i like character driven story`s more for me it went downhill when the rumbling started. Look you can say this "peak fiction" as a subjective take, but if you submit as a fact thats when its gonna irritate people, and i didnt mean to call this thread in itself "childish" You took it out of context as it wasnt my intend, i just added a another topic in the form of a.question. I apolgize if it was offensive to you. |
IFollowKIngsMar 25, 2021 5:41 AM
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
MPanah said: then you could see i gave aot a 8, the mangaIFollowKIngs said: Bruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? Genius, if you take the trouble yourself and look at his profile, you will realize that he has read famous mangas ... it is funny that a re zero fan says such a thing lol |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
NagatoXPain said: i reccomend Dunkirk, its a really good movie, it takes place in ww2IFollowKIngs said: Now I completely disagree with your opinion but that's a way to put points why you dislike it and I get it buddy that it wasn't your intention to call this thread childish but most of this type of threads are subjective for me I personally like the story itself despite how it will end because of chapters like 100,121,122,131 and personally I like war dramas like Band of brothers, The Pacific but I never seen philosophy of war represented here as any other show I have seen. This show became masterpiece for me when I hear erwin speech in season 3 because I have seen many great speeches like that in movies like last samurai, Gladiator, The brave Hart but none of that make me emotional like that speech did and I personally liked this chapter more because it shows moral ambiguity because until this point readers were rooting for eren but after watching consequences of that rumbling bring so many emotions like none other but its okay agree to disagree. PeaceSo this your response i am a brat because i dont like people overhyping shit, Ok, what i dont like about Aot, characters, most characters are really bland as i like character driven story`s more for me it went downhill when the rumbling started. Look you can say this "peak fiction" as a subjective take, but if you submit as a fact thats when its gonna irritate people, and i didnt mean to call this thread in itself "childish" You took it out of context as it wasnt my intend, i just added a another topic in the form of a.question. I apolgize if it was offensive to you. |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
IFollowKIngs said: Don’t listen to these dudes lol. You’re right. Anyone saying this is peak fiction has picked up 5 books maxBruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? |
Ethereal-peace said: well thats what i said but he commented on the chilish partIFollowKIngs said: Don’t listen to these dudes lol. You’re right. Anyone saying this is peak fiction has picked up 5 books maxBruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
MPanah said: IFollowKIngs said: Bruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? Genius, if you take the trouble yourself and look at his profile, you will realize that he has read famous mangas ... it is funny that a re zero fan says such a thing lol Pay them no mind. You can see they joined this sub last month during the FMA baby boomer era. Certain folk simply cannot cope with top-of-the-line fiction and people enjoying them. They feel left out. Also I keep my manga list relatively empty so those who simp for me can't have an exact figure to one-up lol. |
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| yes,but post 116-123 is one of the greatest,everything went downhill after 131,except like 135 or 136 |
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Ethereal-peace said: Don’t listen to these dudes lol. You’re right. Anyone saying this is peak fiction has picked up 5 books max I’ve read some literary classics that I enjoyed very much and hold very close to my heart; Franz Kafka - The Process, Herman Hesse - Demian, Albert Camus - The Stranger, Kurt Vonnegut - The Slaughterhouse Five, William Golding - Lord of the Flies being some of my favourites. I truly don’t consider Attack on Titan to belong in a class below these masterpieces though. Sure, some fictional works are arguably flawless (whereas AoT isn’t) but I don’t think it’s possible for a writer to reach the levels of ever-rewarding climax and catharsis AoT is able to give us if they aren’t brave enough to take great risks. Even truly great stories like The Godfather (Part I), George Orwell - Animal Farm, Robert Louis Stevenson - The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde or Alan Moore’s - Watchmen aren’t as ambitious and daring as AoT is in terms of showing the extremity of an event from multiple perspectives (both retrospective as well as current as well as historical) while maintaining an impossibly difficult balance between nihilism and anti-nihilism, bravely pumping up the pace to immeasurable speeds in order to deliver many moments of profound emotional clarity in unexpected places. Peak Fiction is allowed to have flaws imho. |
| I think even those classics are more of a stepping stone to get a masterpiece of AOT's caliber. Ambition is a great way of measuring them, as few stories have ever had such a great amibtion while not only maintaining the superior quality, but refining it all the way to the end. |
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Ethereal-peace said: I mean peak fiction is subjective to the viewer regardless of the amount of content one has either watched/read. It's a bold statement to make, but if that's what they believe, then so be it. No need to belittle them with a weak and unoriginal, "he hasn't watched/read enough fiction to formulate an actual opinion," type of argument.IFollowKIngs said: Don’t listen to these dudes lol. You’re right. Anyone saying this is peak fiction has picked up 5 books maxBruh what this is clearly the only manga you have red ....... The Real Question? Why is the aot fandom always so childish? |
UaEfAlCoN83 said: Not really ... just because it is bloody does not make it great in my opinion. This whole arc was boring as hell Not really, just because it was bloody does not make it less of a masterpiece. I get that some in the audience get too sensitive about the content so they can't properly enjoy the substance and meaning behind it and that's okay. |
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UaEfAlCoN83 said: Mikasa said: Not really, just because it was bloody does not make it less of a masterpiece. I get that some in the audience get too sensitive about the content so they can't properly enjoy the substance and meaning behind it and that's okay. You didn't get me. I don't care about blood ... I think people overhype it because of that. I think you're the one who's misunderstanding here. People are downplaying anything using the blood excuse. |
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