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Mar 17, 2021 12:07 PM
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Okay, you’ve seen the title. Pls no toxic rage. But as a recent manga reader, I wanna know from you guys both anime only’s and manga readers, what you thought of the episode looking back at this season and a question.

Do you believe that declaration of war was rushed(in pacing)? I’ve heard criticism about the pacing in the episode but was anime only so didn’t understand. Until I watched savagery. The table scene was great but wow was it quicker than it should’ve been. Same with the Forrest scene, idk what it was but it felt like the pacing is simultaneously slow and fast, not in a great way unfortunately.

So what are the thoughts around DoW and be serious with the criticism. I’m already a “OST hater” btw bc I realise manga readers had a point about that final scene(but were way too toxic for a still great scene), so no OST complaints, just keep it respectful, I love this season
Mar 17, 2021 12:39 PM
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Fada_Fx said:
Okay, you’ve seen the title. Pls no toxic rage. But as a recent manga reader, I wanna know from you guys both anime only’s and manga readers, what you thought of the episode looking back at this season and a question.

Do you believe that declaration of war was rushed(in pacing)? I’ve heard criticism about the pacing in the episode but was anime only so didn’t understand. Until I watched savagery. The table scene was great but wow was it quicker than it should’ve been. Same with the Forrest scene, idk what it was but it felt like the pacing is simultaneously slow and fast, not in a great way unfortunately.

So what are the thoughts around DoW and be serious with the criticism. I’m already a “OST hater” btw bc I realise manga readers had a point about that final scene(but were way too toxic for a still great scene), so no OST complaints, just keep it respectful, I love this season


As an anime only, I thought the pacing was perfect. The way the tension rose throughout and how both of the big events had key moments happen simultaneously to achieve a certain mood (Porco and Pieck getting trapped while Falco realizes who Eren is, Willy revealing Eren as the true enemy as he regrows his limb) was excellently done. The facial expressions and music really added a lot, and even though the ending scene itself felt a bit quick, the build up was so good that it hit like a truck regardless. One of my favorite episodes of the whole show.

Sort of agreed on Savagery, the pacing of the forest scene was good I felt but the table scene did feel a bit short. Maybe it's because of all the hype I heard around it, "table scene next episode! It's going to break the internet!" but I thought it would span most of the episode similarly to the basement scene with Eren and Reiner. Not blaming the writing and adaptation or anything, as the only significant info that seemed to be left out was the truth behind the Ackerman's strength (spoiled myself in that regard, and I'm guessing it's being saved for another episode). Just a case of manga readers overhyping a scene that is still really good regardless and crucial for Mikasa's development.
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Mar 17, 2021 3:49 PM
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Fada_Fx said:
Okay, you’ve seen the title. Pls no toxic rage. But as a recent manga reader, I wanna know from you guys both anime only’s and manga readers, what you thought of the episode looking back at this season and a question.

Do you believe that declaration of war was rushed(in pacing)? I’ve heard criticism about the pacing in the episode but was anime only so didn’t understand. Until I watched savagery. The table scene was great but wow was it quicker than it should’ve been. Same with the Forrest scene, idk what it was but it felt like the pacing is simultaneously slow and fast, not in a great way unfortunately.

So what are the thoughts around DoW and be serious with the criticism. I’m already a “OST hater” btw bc I realise manga readers had a point about that final scene(but were way too toxic for a still great scene), so no OST complaints, just keep it respectful, I love this season


I'm a manga reader, didn't really have any problems with the pacing of this episode at all, the one that was rushed was Ep 3 they butchered Reiners backstory
Mar 17, 2021 4:02 PM
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I'm watching FMAB, and after seeing the first 6 episodes of this one, it seems to me that any other anime has a great and superior rhythm XD so yes, I think the rhythm was very good.
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Just to clarify, adaptations should absolutely stand on their own
Mar 17, 2021 4:03 PM
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Fada_Fx said:
Okay, you’ve seen the title. Pls no toxic rage. But as a recent manga reader, I wanna know from you guys both anime only’s and manga readers, what you thought of the episode looking back at this season and a question.

Do you believe that declaration of war was rushed(in pacing)? I’ve heard criticism about the pacing in the episode but was anime only so didn’t understand. Until I watched savagery. The table scene was great but wow was it quicker than it should’ve been. Same with the Forrest scene, idk what it was but it felt like the pacing is simultaneously slow and fast, not in a great way unfortunately.

So what are the thoughts around DoW and be serious with the criticism. I’m already a “OST hater” btw bc I realise manga readers had a point about that final scene(but were way too toxic for a still great scene), so no OST complaints, just keep it respectful, I love this season


I'm a manga reader, didn't really have any problems with the pacing of this episode at all, the one that was rushed was Ep 3 they butchered Reiners backstory
I'm not a manga reader, can you tell me why the pace was so fast in that episode? skipped scenes or something?
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Just to clarify, adaptations should absolutely stand on their own
Mar 17, 2021 4:26 PM
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Leoradiuju2004 said:


I'm a manga reader, didn't really have any problems with the pacing of this episode at all, the one that was rushed was Ep 3 they butchered Reiners backstory
I'm not a manga reader, can you tell me why the pace was so fast in that episode? skipped scenes or something?


Plenty of scenes, PLENTY. So what happens is that Annie was going to gather the titans, then they would use marcels jaw, annies female and reiners titan to run towards the walls. So what happens is that, since marcel dies Annie has to run double the distance, hence she is unconscious later on.Then reines goes and graps bertholt, and kinda climbs into the wall because the titans were after him also.Then there are multiple dialog between the warriors, were they discuss how and what should they do next, to locate the king of the walls.
Mar 18, 2021 6:36 AM
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Leoradiuju2004 said:


I'm a manga reader, didn't really have any problems with the pacing of this episode at all, the one that was rushed was Ep 3 they butchered Reiners backstory
I'm not a manga reader, can you tell me why the pace was so fast in that episode? skipped scenes or something?


Yeah, they tried to cram all of Reiners backstory in one episode where it at least needed one and a half or even 2, a lot of scenes were cut and dialogues simplified, I was really disappointed since Reiner is my 2nd favorite character.

On the Brightside the rushed pacing of that episode gave the rest of the season mostly decent pacing so you could say that episode died so the rest of the season could live
Mar 18, 2021 8:00 AM
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Far better than the manga. FAR FAR better.
Mar 18, 2021 10:30 AM
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Pacing is the best it's ever been, prior seasons were always way too slow. I straight up fell asleep during s2 and s3 episodes. MAPPA is doing a great job making season 4 so much more enjoyable.
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I had no problem with the pacing.My only problem was a lack of emotions compared to Wit's Aot.It almost felt like there wasn't that many movements in that episode.

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I guess the start was a bit sped, and some parts of Reiner's story were cut. A part that I personally theorise is very important was cut (when the smiling titan ignores Bertolt) but after that, I wouldn't say pacing is one of this season's issues (personally). I'd say it's animation
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I guess the start was a bit sped, and some parts of Reiner's story were cut. A part that I personally theorise is very important was cut (when the smiling titan ignores Bertolt) but after that, I wouldn't say pacing is one of this season's issues (personally). I'd say it's animation


Dina ignoring Bertholdt wasn't cut.
Mar 18, 2021 3:24 PM

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I had no problem with the pacing.My only problem was a lack of emotions compared to Wit's Aot.It almost felt like there wasn't that many movements in that episode.


Going to have to disagree there. Reiner's emotional breakdown and Falco's slow realization felt so real to me.
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MinorTatu said:
I guess the start was a bit sped, and some parts of Reiner's story were cut. A part that I personally theorise is very important was cut (when the smiling titan ignores Bertolt) but after that, I wouldn't say pacing is one of this season's issues (personally). I'd say it's animation


Dina ignoring Bertholdt wasn't cut.


whoops. maybe it was the annie running part instead i think idk
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0 complaints. At this point people are grasping for straws to hate
Mar 18, 2021 7:22 PM
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GoZha said:
0 complaints. At this point people are grasping for straws to hate


Don’t worry, I don’t wanna cause any hate here, I just want opinions. I heard some people didn’t like the pacing but this thread showed me that’s not really the case, with some good reasoning. I loved this episode, deffo a top 5 for me.

The SNK anime board is already too toxic, I hope I’m not adding on to it.
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Fada_Fx said:
GoZha said:
0 complaints. At this point people are grasping for straws to hate


Don’t worry, I don’t wanna cause any hate here, I just want opinions. I heard some people didn’t like the pacing but this thread showed me that’s not really the case, with some good reasoning. I loved this episode, deffo a top 5 for me.

The SNK anime board is already too toxic, I hope I’m not adding on to it.
I wasn't referring to you when I said "people". I have recently seen posts of people making some really dumb complaint/hate posts, and those were what I was thinking of
Mar 18, 2021 9:57 PM
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I thought the pacing and direction. was perfect until the final scene. I do not like the focus on soldiers closing in on Eren's position. It takes away from the impact of Eren's actions. I would've much preferred a view of the civilians instead. Especially the ones on the balcony. The final scene also went by way too quickly. The camera shake was so aggressive that I had to pause and go back to see where Eren really came out from. Not having Eren and Wily in the same frame when he comes out also takes away a bit from the experience in my opinion. The camera pan from Willy's face to his arms is so weird. Why would you not pan from his arms to his face? The large amount of smoke when Eren hits the stage kind of makes it hard for the viewer to tell what Eren was trying to do. You can't really see that he's actually aiming for Willy.

Finally, the entire finale pretty much felt like a slideshow. Which is not the term that should describe one of the most important moments of the show.

I mean, just think about the scene when Reiner reveals his Titan and walks towards Eren, and Mikasa comes up and cuts up both him and Bertholdt, after which they both transform. Imagine if that scene was a slideshow. Shown using still frames with minimal hair movement and flashy lights covering up everything. It wouldn't be nearly as memorable.

Same with the Declaration of War. The fact that most anime onlines think of this scene as just another turn of events, instead of 'wow, this is one of the best moments of this show', just goes to show you how underwhelming it was.
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Scordolo said:
I had no problem with the pacing.My only problem was a lack of emotions compared to Wit's Aot.It almost felt like there wasn't that many movements in that episode.


Going to have to disagree there. Reiner's emotional breakdown and Falco's slow realization felt so real to me.
Exactly, to me i don’t think MAPPA did better than WIT with animation in general but it still did pretty good and i thought MAPPAs facial expressions and emotions felt deeper and better
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They nailed most of the episode except for the pay-off, ironically enough. The crescendo of tension was masterfully executed but the release at the end felt comparatively limp. It's not just due to the subpar OST choice either, though that obviously plays a huge part since 2Volt does not fit the intended mood at all, but the little directional choices also remove impact from the events happening on screen. Too little emphasis on Eren's transformation, him punching the stage barely registers since there's no wind-up or impact shot and the camera is too far away, the entire scene feels too low energy and motionless/static. This is why most anime watchers prefer episode 7 over 5 and 6, because that one actually delivered on the important moments. It is very much so the opposite consensus when it comes to the manga.

The table scene was fine although they cut out some good Eren lines that could've easily been adapted by just cutting out the cold intro recap. I don't just mean the Ackerman stuff either, they didn't show him verbally putting down Armin and describing ignorance as a lack of freedom. They also focused too little on his facial expressions when talking to Mikasa. It didn't feel as impactful to me but we'll see how anime onlies react this weekend. None of this is to say the adaptation is bad but it hasn't been living up to my expectations the same way the previous 3 seasons did for the most part. Which is a shame considering this should be the strongest stretch of the story.
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Scordolo said:
I had no problem with the pacing.My only problem was a lack of emotions compared to Wit's Aot.It almost felt like there wasn't that many movements in that episode.

+ blur and many off model despite them not moving
Mar 19, 2021 5:13 PM
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welp the pacing is very fluent for me so far and I am a manga reader

don't know why ppl complain about details like this, it is honestly worthless
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I had no problem with the pacing.My only problem was a lack of emotions compared to Wit's Aot.It almost felt like there wasn't that many movements in that episode.


Going to have to disagree there. Reiner's emotional breakdown and Falco's slow realization felt so real to me.

Ik.I meant the animation and the movements could've been wayyy better if they had enough time.I also heard from the Manga readers that the character development of Reiner was rushed in the anime.

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Scordolo said:
ScottMerica said:


Going to have to disagree there. Reiner's emotional breakdown and Falco's slow realization felt so real to me.

Ik.I meant the animation and the movements could've been wayyy better if they had enough time.I also heard from the Manga readers that the character development of Reiner was rushed in the anime.



I mean neither WIT relied that much on the animation regarding the dialogue scenes (arguably they used even less than MAPPA), but on character designs (I prefer MAPPA's, but WIT's way more consistent with them) and their face expressions. There are lot of things I miss from WIT that made pre-timeskip AoT anime a classic in anime industry that aren't in The Final Season anymore but the dialogue of MAPPA is just as solid as WIT and Episode 13 shows it.

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