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Mar 17, 2021 4:53 AM
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Ok, besides some god tier imai scenes overal we had shit cgi collosal in contrast to MAPPA CG and MANY off model shots especially in eren vs reiner. In addition animation would be reused from previous seasons for example when beast throws rocks. While there were problems with the previous seasons animation besides 2 or 3 god tier imai ones overall the animation wasn't all that better. Didn't see anyone complaining back then though. I am not against valid criticism and i understand that there are problems with this season's animation however its not fair to say that only this season had problems.
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Mar 17, 2021 5:02 AM
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Preach brother

Kids here dosen't even know what good animation is.
Mar 17, 2021 5:04 AM
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Atleast important momments were excuted well, in this season unimportant momments are better excuted than important momments lol
Mar 17, 2021 5:09 AM
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Seriously we're gonna bash the previous seasons now...lmao.
Mar 17, 2021 5:21 AM
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A lot of the mistakes MAPPA got bashed for were made by WIT too honestly
Mar 17, 2021 6:18 AM
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Seriously we're gonna bash the previous seasons now...lmao.
im not bashing the previous seasons aot is my fav anime i am just stating the truth here
Mar 17, 2021 6:54 AM
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yeah the animation in s3pt2 aint that great either(with the exception of levi vs zeke) but the drama,atmosphere and directing were all top tier
Mar 17, 2021 6:58 AM
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yeah the animation in s3pt2 aint that great either(with the exception of levi vs zeke) but the drama,atmosphere and directing were all top tier
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yeah the animation in s3pt2 aint that great either(with the exception of levi vs zeke) but the drama,atmosphere and directing were all top tier
exactly thats why that saesin is so high even though it had the worst animation of any other season up until that point
Mar 17, 2021 7:04 AM
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Ok listen stop comparing with other seasons and talking animation. Mal isn't safe for that. It is like Twitter. But in the end let us just agree that MAPPA was the best replacement for the series as a whole. Even though wit studio was better.
Mar 17, 2021 8:46 AM

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I would prefer One or Two bad cgi titans than a mediocre animation.

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Mar 17, 2021 8:48 AM
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Scordolo said:
I would prefer One or Two bad cgi titans than a mediocre animation.
what im sain is that s3 p2 had mediocre animation except those imai scenes tho
Mar 17, 2021 8:50 AM

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Andigowho said:
Scordolo said:
I would prefer One or Two bad cgi titans than a mediocre animation.
what im sain is that s3 p2 had mediocre animation except those imai scenes tho

What do you mean by Imai?
At least in season 3 part 2 we had memorable moments like
Levi vs Beast titan
Eren's depression
Erwin and his troops suicide charge(this one gave me goosebumps)
but in season 4 we have none.It almost feels like I am forced to feel hyped during the episodes.

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Scordolo said:
Andigowho said:
what im sain is that s3 p2 had mediocre animation except those imai scenes tho

What do you mean by Imai?
At least in season 3 part 2 we had memorable moments like
Levi vs Beast titan
Eren's depression
Erwin and his troops suicide charge(this one gave me goosebumps)
but in season 4 we have none.It almost feels like I am forced to feel hyped during the episodes.
Season 4 didn't have none? You are exagerating, you could speak for yourself, but for me (and many other) this season also had memorable moments
Mar 17, 2021 9:27 AM
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Scordolo said:
Andigowho said:
what im sain is that s3 p2 had mediocre animation except those imai scenes tho

What do you mean by Imai?
At least in season 3 part 2 we had memorable moments like
Levi vs Beast titan
Eren's depression
Erwin and his troops suicide charge(this one gave me goosebumps)
but in season 4 we have none.It almost feels like I am forced to feel hyped during the episodes.


Saying S4 doesn't have a memorable scene is overkill.
Mar 17, 2021 9:42 AM
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GoZha said:
A lot of the mistakes MAPPA got bashed for were made by WIT too honestly
wit delivered the important moments like Erwin charge, Levi vs beast titan, thunder spears, beach scene...
Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue
Mar 17, 2021 9:43 AM
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Borshta said:
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What do you mean by Imai?
At least in season 3 part 2 we had memorable moments like
Levi vs Beast titan
Eren's depression
Erwin and his troops suicide charge(this one gave me goosebumps)
but in season 4 we have none.It almost feels like I am forced to feel hyped during the episodes.


Saying S4 doesn't have a memorable scene is overkill.
it has memorable scene but they just don't deliver. Levi vs Zeke round 2 could've been good but nope no chance with this mediocre adaptation
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Borshta said:
Scordolo said:

What do you mean by Imai?
At least in season 3 part 2 we had memorable moments like
Levi vs Beast titan
Eren's depression
Erwin and his troops suicide charge(this one gave me goosebumps)
but in season 4 we have none.It almost feels like I am forced to feel hyped during the episodes.


Saying S4 doesn't have a memorable scene is overkill.
Sasaki841 said:
Scordolo said:

What do you mean by Imai?
At least in season 3 part 2 we had memorable moments like
Levi vs Beast titan
Eren's depression
Erwin and his troops suicide charge(this one gave me goosebumps)
but in season 4 we have none.It almost feels like I am forced to feel hyped during the episodes.
Season 4 didn't have none? You are exagerating, you could speak for yourself, but for me (and many other) this season also had memorable moments

I meant Animation-wise to be precise.

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Mar 17, 2021 9:57 AM

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I was too absorbed in the story to even notice anything about the animation.
I sometimes forget to finish my sentences.
Mar 17, 2021 10:00 AM
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I was too absorbed in the story to even notice anything about the animation.


That's great and this is how it's supposed to be.
Mar 17, 2021 10:04 AM
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Borshta said:
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I was too absorbed in the story to even notice anything about the animation.


That's great and this is how it's supposed to be.
yes but if they don't deliver quality for important moments like season 3 then some people can also be disappointed
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Mar 17, 2021 10:09 AM
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yaegerist-15 said:
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That's great and this is how it's supposed to be.
yes but if they don't deliver quality for important moments like season 3 then some people can also be disappointed


There's nothing wrong with being disappointed like hell everyone is gonna have same opinion, if you don't like it you don't need to sing fake praise. But if you can enjoy it then that's the best, story is most important. Being so immersed in the story is one of the best thing.
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Borshta said:
yaegerist-15 said:
yes but if they don't deliver quality for important moments like season 3 then some people can also be disappointed


There's nothing wrong with being disappointed like hell everyone is gonna have same opinion, if you don't like it you don't need to sing fake praise. But if you can enjoy it then that's the best, story is most important. Being so immersed in the story is one of the best thing.
facts and if Im disappointed I can share my criticism can I? Or can I open my mouth for just licking mappas booth?
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Mar 17, 2021 10:22 AM
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yaegerist-15 said:
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There's nothing wrong with being disappointed like hell everyone is gonna have same opinion, if you don't like it you don't need to sing fake praise. But if you can enjoy it then that's the best, story is most important. Being so immersed in the story is one of the best thing.
facts and if Im disappointed I can share my criticism can I? Or can I open my mouth for just licking mappas booth?


Well ofc you can criticize everything you're disappointed with, instead of being delusional and fanboy just go wild on forums, you don't need to agree on something you don't want to. But don't think that's same for everyone, as much as you're disappointed with it others might like it that much. And bro take a nap you're running on disappointment, your disappointment will prob settle down until next episode .
Mar 17, 2021 10:23 AM

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All the other seasons had bigger heights visually. This is impossible to deny. MAPPA hasn't done a single ''sakuga!!!!!!! JIZZ IN MY PANTS'' moment. Except Gabi reloading her rifle lmfao.
Mar 17, 2021 10:25 AM
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Kaasfondue said:
All the other seasons had bigger heights visually. This is impossible to deny.
mappa cards will say something different
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Mar 17, 2021 10:30 AM

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IMO Mappa has nailed the drama episodes better than Wit, like ep 8, 11 and 13, but they haven't been close to Wit in the hype moments that many were expecting.
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Season 3 Part 1 was also incredible cos of that one Levi scene.
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Shushh dont let them know
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yaegerist-15 said:
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A lot of the mistakes MAPPA got bashed for were made by WIT too honestly
wit delivered the important moments like Erwin charge, Levi vs beast titan, thunder spears, beach scene...
Have you forgotten about Willy's declaration? Colossal Armin? Gabi's snipe? Even scenes that MAPPA haters didn't like, such as Eren's jacket, will be remembered and appreciated because the only reason they're hated is that it's slightly different from the manga. I saw your thread on how Levi vs. Zeke was missing key frames. Who tf notices that unless they watch while looking at the manga? No average viewer does that, so no average viewer will complain about it. I read the manga and I didn't notice it. The most important parts were captured

At least MAPPA didn't change the content like replacing Armin with Mikasa, removing Mikasa's Azumabito mark, and changing Eren's dream in the beginning. Because that's what matters WAY more to me
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Gabi and Kaya moments > Levi vs Zeke round 2
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Yeah the animation of levi vs zeke in the last season was over my expectation. I expect it to be a hot garbage but noo!! it's a cold garbage.
Mar 22, 2021 1:41 PM
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Gabi and Kaya moments > Levi vs Zeke round 2
beach scene in season 3>>> every aesthetic shot/scene this season
Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue
Mar 22, 2021 1:42 PM
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Yeah the animation of levi vs zeke in the last season was over my expectation. I expect it to be a hot garbage but noo!! it's a cold garbage.
they fight was literally missing key frames 😂
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Mar 22, 2021 2:20 PM
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Thats what I have been trying to prove to ppl here. Just look at this terrible CGI in s3 part2:
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Thats what I have been trying to prove to ppl here. Just look at this terrible CGI in s3 part2:
show us the odm in season 3 and the odm now lol always coming up with the cgi colossal
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yaegerist-15 said:
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Gabi and Kaya moments > Levi vs Zeke round 2
beach scene in season 3>>> every aesthetic shot/scene this season
This season > previous 3 seasons even with generally worse visuals. Stay mad about it.
Mar 23, 2021 12:54 AM
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It was significantly better. This has been accomplished multiple times. And what's with this " Other than Imai scenes " bullshit you're talking about? Like as if imai scenes aren't in that season or they don't add up to overall animation quality of that season. This is an will always be a Downgrade. But it's still extremely enjoyable because of the high quality build ups ups from past seasons. If it weren't for the story of this show, if something like JJK or Demon slayer looked like this....
People couldn't have cared less about this show.
Subjectivity is a joke on MAL. If you implicitly bring in subjectivity in your counter argument, you've already lost the debate. Also this website is a fankid infestation , have pity on those kids by ignoring there quotes as they have absolutely no clue what exactly is going on.
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yaegerist-15 said:
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Gabi and Kaya moments > Levi vs Zeke round 2
beach scene in season 3>>> every aesthetic shot/scene this season

Ending of the episode 15>>>>>>>much better scene than everything in s3, Koizuka isn't even close to this scene with his s3 mid direction.
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Ok, besides some god tier imai scenes overal we had shit cgi collosal in contrast to MAPPA CG and MANY off model shots especially in eren vs reiner. In addition animation would be reused from previous seasons for example when beast throws rocks. While there were problems with the previous seasons animation besides 2 or 3 god tier imai ones overall the animation wasn't all that better. Didn't see anyone complaining back then though. I am not against valid criticism and i understand that there are problems with this season's animation however its not fair to say that only this season had problems.
Complain wasn't there because they nailed very important scenes unlike Mappa who give equal treatment to nearly every part and that is what most people remember
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Saying S3 P2 having bad animation is joke of the century, people already forgot first five eps were filled to brim with decent to goated sakuga action scenes. Just like MAPPA, WIT had very bad schedule and 6 months to animate from scratch and end result still looked better than most of S4 imo.
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Saying S3 P2 having bad animation is joke of the century, people already forgot first five eps were filled to brim with decent to goated sakuga action scenes. Just like MAPPA, WIT had very bad schedule and 6 months to animate from scratch and end result still looked better than most of S4 imo.
uhhhhh no wit had 1 year for 10 eps
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Andigowho said:
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Saying S3 P2 having bad animation is joke of the century, people already forgot first five eps were filled to brim with decent to goated sakuga action scenes. Just like MAPPA, WIT had very bad schedule and 6 months to animate from scratch and end result still looked better than most of S4 imo.
uhhhhh no wit had 1 year for 10 eps
No man, they didn't have that long, the gap between 2 cours was just 6 months and they did entire thing in that time from scratch. It is also the reason why most character animations were not as smooth or were just still images (especially ep 6-9, but art was top tier tho). If they had 1 year time end result would have had similar or better quality than S3P1, but as it doesn't have that quality, its clear that they didn't have as much time as you think.
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Andigowho said:
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Saying S3 P2 having bad animation is joke of the century, people already forgot first five eps were filled to brim with decent to goated sakuga action scenes. Just like MAPPA, WIT had very bad schedule and 6 months to animate from scratch and end result still looked better than most of S4 imo.
uhhhhh no wit had 1 year for 10 eps
no it was 6 months. The gap b/w part 1 and 2. They essentially had nothing at the end of season 3 part 1. That's precisely why it wasn't announced until the end of s3 part 1.
Subjectivity is a joke on MAL. If you implicitly bring in subjectivity in your counter argument, you've already lost the debate. Also this website is a fankid infestation , have pity on those kids by ignoring there quotes as they have absolutely no clue what exactly is going on.
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Saying S3 P2 having bad animation is joke of the century, people already forgot first five eps were filled to brim with decent to goated sakuga action scenes.


This is so true. The first 5 episodes have at least one incredible dynamic sakuga moment each. The Eren transformation in episode 1. Thunder spears in episode 2, and the Eren v Reiner fight (FULL 2D) has some gorgeous impact frames. Bertholdt transformation in episode 3. Erwin's charge and Levi taking down titans in episode 4. The absolute masterpiece that is episode 5 'Hero'. Even 'Midnight Sun', which has very little actual animation, has gorgeous art all over, and absolutely stunning direction.

After that, all the dialogue episodes have great art and perfect direction. Never feeling rushed. The animation is decent and serves the purpose. With art that detailed, animating is honestly pretty difficult. Then the final beach episode, again with stunning water and hair animation. I will say that most of season 3 part 2 is carried by Imai and some other super animators. Even the beach scene, which has no dynamic camera movement or action, is keyframed by Imai. He is that important. Even if MAPPA had the perfect schedule, I'm confident that the ODM movement would never reach WIT's level, but, the fact is, MAPPA is capable of great animation nonetheless, but does not deliver at moments of great importance.

The management behind the scenes really shows. I'm sure the staff is competent, but the way that the work is outsourced/divided, by circumstance or by choice, has led to great inconsistencies in the episodes. Episode 8 is the only one I've seen with fluid, dynamic ODM sakuga, which is all because of a talented animator named Vercreek. While Levi has zero impressive cuts in episode 6-7, and Mikasa has one decent cut with the Warhammer, Commander fucking Lobov has the most fluid and dynamic ODM sakuga in the entirety of the season. The sakuga in episode 14 might've been amazing, the layout is definitely great, but they ran out of time while drawing frames, hence the movement looks choppy. But for some reason, Gabi bludgeoning a guard in episode 11 is drawn in stunning slow motion. Udo and Gabi talking in episode 2, has more life and character acting than the EMA table conversation, which is arguably one of the most important scenes of the season. The Levi/Zeke explosion at the end of episode 15 is better animated than the finale of the fucking Declaration of War, a pivotal moment that changes the entire direction of the show.
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S3 part 2 deliverd when required and the narrative was on point for the conclusive episodes. There are 0 odm scenes this season worth talking about. And majority of " Good sakuga" this season is explosion sakuga which is the least complicated. All in all for me personally this season lacks the aggressive impactfullness like the previous one in the action heavy segments. It delivers in the dialogue heavy aspects along with the musical scores for me.
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Subjectivity is a joke on MAL. If you implicitly bring in subjectivity in your counter argument, you've already lost the debate. Also this website is a fankid infestation , have pity on those kids by ignoring there quotes as they have absolutely no clue what exactly is going on.
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C'mon man, cgi titan in ss3p2 only appears in few minutes and you compared to whole season like mappa
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C'mon man, cgi titan in ss3p2 only appears in few minutes and you compared to whole season like mappa
NANI? He was in for 2 or 3 eps i do not remember exactly
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Atleast important momments were excuted well, in this season unimportant momments are better excuted than important momments lol


This.
it's all about this nothing else.
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Op needs constructive criticisms. You should go through this post. You'll know what exactly is wrong and why it is less impactful. Its an old post so probably a lot of people have gone through this already. Be sure to go through the edits of the guy who tried to fix these issues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/l05nbr/nevermind_the_cgi_heres_my_main_technical_gripe/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Subjectivity is a joke on MAL. If you implicitly bring in subjectivity in your counter argument, you've already lost the debate. Also this website is a fankid infestation , have pity on those kids by ignoring there quotes as they have absolutely no clue what exactly is going on.
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