Did this many people skip chapter 131 by any chance?

Danpmss said:
I'm quite surprised that a lot of people have been saying that we never got Eren's point of view ever since the Rumbling happened. Like, are we reading the same manga? His pragmatic motivations couldn't be clearer after 131, are people in this forum suffering from Alzheimer or something? Legit question, I'm just curious.

Hhguf said:
eren has no point
he just break his mind and decide to destroy the world

Danpmss said:
I'm quite surprised that a lot of people have been saying that we never got Eren's point of view ever since the Rumbling happened. Like, are we reading the same manga? His pragmatic motivations couldn't be clearer after 131, are people in this forum suffering from Alzheimer or something? Legit question, I'm just curious.

Johan3333 said:


That chapter only raised more questions than answered anything lmfao.

Eren went from like "I will kill all these people and the reasons because Paradise was in danger? to about his dream goal with Armin and then was like he was disappointed with humans being outside the walls and was like 'sorry' next with a panel of current him saying Freedom and laughing"

You'd have to be either dumb or speedread the chapter to think it actually made anything make sense.

Roronoa said:
you cant be a true aot fanboy without at least saying "are we reading the same manga?" once LOL

Mikasa said:
You're oversimplifying Eren's point of view, and making him way less selfish than he really is.

Danpmss said:


I wonder who is dumb or speedreading if you didn't realize that Eren EXPLICITLY SAID that it was a pragmatic choice and his duty to see it through no matter how much he himself knows that he is killing many innocents by going forward with his genocide plan using the Rumble. And he says so some chapters later to Armin and the others that the only reason he didn't interfer them using the founding was because he didn't want to negate their freedom of choice either, as he chose to do what he did.


I think you are dumb if you don't understand that much after he told so himself in his own perspective. Just what else do you think is there for his character? He genocided a chunk of the world's population because he actually has any other reason that isn't what we precisely saw in 131?

Do enlighten me of this with an answer that isn't dumb like the ones I've been seeing from people trying to forget this explicit character display that apparently "doesn't make any sense" to you.

BilboBaggins365 said:



I mean it doesn't. What is his objective or goal?

"Eren EXPLICITLY SAID that it was a pragmatic choice and his duty to see it through no matter how much he himself knows that he is killing many innocents by going forward with his genocide plan using the Rumble. And he says so some chapters later to Armin and the others that the only reason he didn't interfer them using the founding was because he didn't want to negate their freedom of choice either, as he chose to do what he did."

Again what is the pragmatic choice here? If he wants to ensure Paradise's freedom why not simply use the founding powers to restrict all his friends and wipe their memories? You say that he didn't want to negate their freedom okay... but here is the problem they are going there to stop Eren in the first place and likely fight where Eren might have to kill them and in a sense take away their freedom entirely. You know the freedom of life.

Ultimately if he is okay with that because he feels it's necessary to save Paradise and Historia and her kid sorry that hasn't been established how he could callously throw away Mikasa and Armin's life people he would have died for in previous arcs. The Paradise arc if anything reaffirmed his love for them.

Finally again if this whole thing was orchestrated to have Armin be the hero etc again the series hasn't show why this alternative is better than simply destroying the ships of the invaders because in the end after Eren is defeated unless most of the world is ash Paradise will still be in danger. If it's something like Eren isn't free cause he has to follow some will of destiny or other force again it doesn't make sense especially now that it seems Ymir was opposing him. Not to mention it's confusing why he would again have to carry out this destructive force unless there is some new thing brought up.

Sorry his motivations don't make sense to me. I still am confused why he decided to go down this route. We got his perspective sure it just doesn't make any sense and really that lack of development has ruined his character for me.

Danpmss said:


It was out of consideration and possibly a lot of guilt, and definitely within Eren's character to give his friends means to stop him if they so want. Aka, not brainwashing them into submission, as he clearly also stated to Historia in their flashback, and said himself he wouldn't do it.

So no, I don't see where's this inconcistency of him doing as such, like you are saying there are. I respectfully disagree with that statement, as per what we could see from his objective perspective so far.

If there's more that make me eat my words, so be it, but I don't really see the need for any more, and if there's not a thing, it's sufficient for what we got to know so far imo.

BilboBaggins365 said:



Uh again if he had guilt and cared for them he knows they are going to oppose him and that means violence. So again if he is truly convinced he must do this he has to realize he is going to have to kill his friends. Yet he cares about them and he has a solution that would allow him to fix the situation and still achieve his goals yet he doesn't out of some strong principle allowing for his possible plans to fail and he likely is going to harm them greatly anyway. Yet killing them is going to leave him no guilt lol.

That doesn't make sense.

Danpmss said:


It does, because he is being pragmatic. Meaning, he does not condone at all what he is doing and know how wrong it is, but it is a solution he is willing to see through as if it was his obligation. It also ties in a lot with the attack/advance titan's psyche, especially related with how Eren retroactively may have forced others to advance with his will despite their own moral doubts refusing to go through with their actions (the same may apply to Eren when it comes to the original attack titan).

BilboBaggins365 said:


Uh again that makes no sense. He knows what he is doing is wrong? Okay then why did he trigger the Rumbling at all then lol. Out of obligation again why does this lead him to do something he completely disagrees with and doesn't believe in? Not to mention again by allowing his friends to do this he is putting them in harms way.

The only answer would be he is being controlled by now with Ymir that seems very unlikely. So he had full free will to do something he doesn't even agree with because of some principle that isn't properly established?

That is idiotic.

Danpmss said:


Call pragmatism whatever you may, it's by no means nonsensical. Something pragmatic is done because, as unwilling as you may be, you believe it is the best course of action.

BilboBaggins365 said:


It is nonsensical you keep bring up "pragmatism" as answer for inconsistent views and actions.

Going by you definition you now say he does believe in it okay.... again then why does he put his friends at risk, why let even a 1% chance of failure? I mean again I would argue killing your friends would be the ultimate guilt.

Danpmss said:


I keep bringing it up because that's what being pragmatic is. It's a chain of thought that exists whether you like it or not, and it was the deciding end of several wars (wins and losses) over the course of history. Try searching the definition before saying it's "just an excuse" for what you believe to be inconsistent views and actions, when evidence is clear, in his very own words, as to why he is doing so despite not being able to say anything other than sorry for the innocent victims he is making towards his goals.

Being pragmatic about what he is willing to do for the better course of action, and the catastrophic massacre of uninvolved individuals is a vastly more adequate reasoning and motive for him, out of guilt, to create a countermeasure to stop himself without contradicting his own unshakable will, characteristic of his Titan (which influences a lot in what he and ALL of the the other Attack Titans did over the course of history), which is implied that he can't possibly go against, because that's the point of his Advance Titan.

He found a coping loophole, his wish for freedom, not just for him, but to his comrades as well. And used this loophole to create a way of try stopping him he they so desire to try. As he won't use the Founding Titan, aka Ymir's will to do so. In fact the Founding Titan basically acted as a mere defense mechanism, likely on Ymir's behalf.

Eren continues advancing in his Titan form after being separated, and then, inevitably fight his friends who are in the way. He never deliberately attacked them himself, because he doesn't wish their deaths. But he will cease their attempts even if it kills them, as he well stated in their conversation before the final battle.

I don't see inconsistencies in this reasoning at all. It's also in-character for Eren to do as such.

BilboBaggins365 said:

Finally again he knew they were going to come fight him he knew they would be endangered likely killed and yet he could have stopped them. He knew he was going to likely kill them if he succeeded. Again you keep dodging a massive inconsistency on how Eren justifies that killing his friends is going to create less guilt than simply lying about the world they live in.

Funseco said:


I think its because he cant manipulate Ackerman memories. More precisely Mikasa.
Even if he erased cringevengers memories, she would still know.
But again, she wouldnt be able to do anything alone, so it doesnt make sense.

Unless Eren needs all titan shifters united in a single person to break the titan curse. Eren wanted to eat the jaw titan and Reiner. He didnt mind Zeke being killed so he probably needs all titan shifters dead

BilboBaggins365 said:

That would at least make sense I don't know if that was ever established though?

Danpmss said:


I wonder who is dumb or speedreading if you didn't realize that Eren EXPLICITLY SAID that it was a pragmatic choice and his duty to see it through no matter how much he himself knows that he is killing many innocents by going forward with his genocide plan using the Rumble. And he says so some chapters later to Armin and the others that the only reason he didn't interfer them using the founding was because he didn't want to negate their freedom of choice either, as he chose to do what he did.


I think you are dumb if you don't understand that much after he told so himself in his own perspective. Just what else do you think is there for his character? He genocided a chunk of the world's population because he actually has any other reason that isn't what we precisely saw in 131?

Do enlighten me of this with an answer that isn't dumb like the ones I've been seeing from people trying to forget this explicit character display that apparently "doesn't make any sense" to you.

Danpmss said:
I'm quite surprised that a lot of people have been saying that we never got Eren's point of view ever since the Rumbling happened. Like, are we reading the same manga? His pragmatic motivations couldn't be clearer after 131, are people in this forum suffering from Alzheimer or something? Legit question, I'm just curious.

Danpmss said:
I'm quite surprised that a lot of people have been saying that we never got Eren's point of view ever since the Rumbling happened. Like, are we reading the same manga? His pragmatic motivations couldn't be clearer after 131, are people in this forum suffering from Alzheimer or something? Legit question, I'm just curious.

Mack_Yeager said:



No ones who are complaining and rated less than a 4/5 are just assuming that the ending is bad ,I don't think they even know what AOT is about,

You know what

Let the anime come out ,they will understand

BilboBaggins365 said:


Sigh I understand what pragmatism is I understood all this you keep going on stuff I am not disputing but that isn't what is up for debate here.

I said it was not established why he would casually throw the lives away of his friends would he could have easily stopped them. If he was being pragmatic he wouldn't care how it violates their freedom and build the best possible world going towards the end he wants. He could have saved their lives and eliminate any potential threats by doing so as they are so of the most capable titan fighters around.

Again I know how the manga explains it and I am sorry no that makes no sense. He actually isn't being pragmatic just stupid. He endangered his own plans, friends lives out of a principle that he is already violating of so many others including his own friends up to a certain point (seemed happy to just let the Jaegerists lock them away)

Finally again he knew they were going to come fight him he knew they would be endangered likely killed and yet he could have stopped them. He knew he was going to likely kill them if he succeeded. Again you keep dodging a massive inconsistency on how Eren justifies that killing his friends is going to create less guilt than simply lying about the world they live in.

Johan3333 said:


First of for, you're literally arguing another thing and not the points I brought about for how that chapter dosen't make anything make sense but I will leave that for later and show you how you're misinterpreting the whole "Paradise was in danger, decides to genocide the world"


Eren's say of "Paradise is going to come in danger" is because he saw the future, but what exactly he saw was memories from his father implied to be his own memories. If it's Eren's own memories, it means everything Eren experienced in the future and that's basically the whole events we all have experienced since chapter 100. In that case, Paradise was never in danger as it was Zeke and Eren that orchestrated the whole "Declaration of war". Paradise only got attacked as a direct influence of Eren's actions in Liberio and that was in Chapter 116. These all makes sense since it was implied that Eren can only see fragments of his memories, so it would be easy for him to misinterpret the whole thing.

All I have said so far shows how nothing even makes sense yet and aligns with the points I said you never referred to.

Btw, the Eren that am referring to as misinterpreting the whole thing is Eren before chapter 100.

loli_a_ravioli said:


Because it doesn't explain any shit other than the fact that he actually intend to do full rumbling by his own will, not because of some outer machinations.

What's his deal with Historia?
What compels him to hide his future sight ability from his nakamas?
Why is he sleeping throughout the rumbling?
Why is he letting so many conveniences for Alliance to bomb his titan? What happened with his resolve to "collide" with his nakamas should they continue to oppose him in chapter 133?
What's his plan for Lolimir?
How is he gonna "end the world" exactly? We don't even know how much of the world that have been rumbled at this point and he's already chopped out by Mikasa.

Adding to the fact that the battle IS STILL UNFINISHED, 139 is almost guaranteed to be a major clusterfuck if Isayama is seriously gonna try to resolve all of the unanswered mysteries that he keeps piling on and on throughout these past few years.

Being a villain won't excuse this shit. Light Yagami was a villain and majority of the manga chapters were comprised of his POVs.

BilboBaggins365 said:



I mean it doesn't. What is his objective or goal?

"Eren EXPLICITLY SAID that it was a pragmatic choice and his duty to see it through no matter how much he himself knows that he is killing many innocents by going forward with his genocide plan using the Rumble. And he says so some chapters later to Armin and the others that the only reason he didn't interfer them using the founding was because he didn't want to negate their freedom of choice either, as he chose to do what he did."

Again what is the pragmatic choice here? If he wants to ensure Paradise's freedom why not simply use the founding powers to restrict all his friends and wipe their memories? You say that he didn't want to negate their freedom okay... but here is the problem they are going there to stop Eren in the first place and likely fight where Eren might have to kill them and in a sense take away their freedom entirely. You know the freedom of life.

Ultimately if he is okay with that because he feels it's necessary to save Paradise and Historia and her kid sorry that hasn't been established how he could callously throw away Mikasa and Armin's life people he would have died for in previous arcs. The Paradise arc if anything reaffirmed his love for them.

Finally again if this whole thing was orchestrated to have Armin be the hero etc again the series hasn't show why this alternative is better than simply destroying the ships of the invaders because in the end after Eren is defeated unless most of the world is ash Paradise will still be in danger. If it's something like Eren isn't free cause he has to follow some will of destiny or other force again it doesn't make sense especially now that it seems Ymir was opposing him. Not to mention it's confusing why he would again have to carry out this destructive force unless there is some new thing brought up.

Sorry his motivations don't make sense to me. I still am confused why he decided to go down this route. We got his perspective sure it just doesn't make any sense and really that lack of development has ruined his character for me.

Danpmss said:


Look, I'm repeating myself at this point, so I'll stop trying convincing you of something you just won't. I already said that Eren's pragmatism is what leads him to draw a line despite continuing going forward in the first place, which is why it isn't contradictory that him, unwillingly "WILLING" (must keep moving forward) to do what needs to be done, would, out of guilt give his friends, who he could easily manipulate if he wanted, INDIRECTLY, a chance to fight back against him if they wanted to stop him, and warned them it would be a battle to the death. It's not a fucking inconsistency, he was loud and clear that he gave them the liberty of choice whether they want to risk their lives trying to stop him or not, do you want me to printscreen the page of him saying that to their faces?

I'm not avoiding shit, I said that twice or even thrice already, but you keep saying it's inconsistent because "????". He gave them a chance, and told them if they tried to stop him, he would clash with their wills, and that otherwise he wouldn't do a thing, but he gave them the freedom to try and stop him, a privilege he is willing to give to his comrades, for which he is fighting for freedom as well.

It's not fucking difficult to understand.

Once again, repeating myself for the last time, it's not stupid, it's completely in-character for him to find such a loophole for himself and his actions, and he stated precisely that, whether you accept it or not. If it's bad for you, I shouldn't give a bigger damn to be honest, it makes sense and his reasoning was established as being such, until Isayama pulls something else in the final chapter or not. I personally wouldn't mind any, as long as his alternative Eren exposition is as consistent as this one was with chapters 131 and 133.

Ebet_Sikime_Ebet said:
He was forced to go with the rumbling. He had no other choice. The reason why he was crying and saying sorry is bcz he didnt want to destroy the world. If he didnt go with the rumbling the entire forces of those countries were going to attack Eldia. And what did the survey corps do? They chose to get someone to eat Eren, which I dont blame them bcz he was working with Zeke and they cant trust Zeke. What did you want Eren to do? Run away and live with Mikasa for 4 years without giving a fuck about the Eldia like the other possibility? THAT would have ruined the entire point of the show and killed his character, bcz the show is about fighting for freedom till the end not throwing everything away for love. They couldnt so anything. Armin said why cant we talk to them, but ut wasnt going to work bcz they are considered island devils. You expect other countries to negotiate with them knowing what the power of the founding titan is. Altering their memories wasnt going to stop the forces to attack Eldia. Zeke's plan was going to stop this cycle, but Eren wanted to save Eldia not end it. Thats why now that he destroyed everything and only the Ackermans and warriors are alive. He wants them to kill him like he said when they finally talked to each other in PATHS.
Now Mikasa killing Eren is another topic, which I think it was the best way for Eren to go out, since both of them can be free like this. The only weird part for me was kissing the decapitated head.
Sry for my long ass reply I hope I was able to help you understand what you wanted to.

It is contradictory because it makes no sense to value their freedom to do that over their lives in both ways he is violating their freedom the only difference is changing their memories ensures a higher degree of success. I keep saying this but you seem to avoid how killing them is also violating their freedom.

It isn't established why Eren goes forward and values even Eldia or Historia's kid or even the world over his own friends the thing that seemed to be what he valued the most even re-established in the last arc.

zerotitan said:
@BilboBaggins365


I am sorry but what you are saying doesn't make the slightest sense. Wiping away their memories and take away their freedom will be the most out-of-character thing for Eren to do. How do you expect him to do the thing he hates most? He who yearns for freedom, who wants himself to be free who would naturally want his friends to be free will take away their free will, how does that even make sense.
You say, even taking their life is taking their freedom away. First, have you read chapters 135-137? Didn't you see, Eren didn't make any efforts to kill his friends. Why do you think those chapters are particularly hated amongst yeagarists? It is because of the insane amount of plot armor alliance were given. It almost seemed like Eren was simply acting in self-defense rather than trying to kill his friends. How does it even make sense that with utmost powers Eren won't be able to kill the alliance if he is willing and actually trying to do that? Would you really consider Hange dying as Eren killed Hange? Hange died because of her free will to try to stop Eren. Eren never intended to kill her, she died as a consequence of the path she had chosen out of her free will which Eren will respect more than anything else. The same goes for his friends as well. If they die, it's because they out of their free will, decided to go against Eren, and it is not like Eren is trying to kill them as well, they are dying in the process of stopping him.



Please go back and reread everything again, as established in the previous arc where Eren was still the Eren we knew and not what fandom refers to as Chad Eren, wherein flashbacks we see him saying his friends that they are important to him and he wants them to have long happy lives ahead, I am sure this is what you are referring to here. Now the difference between Eren and chad Eren is chad Eren has accepted that the future cannot be changed no matter what, this chad Eren dragged all his friends in liberio battle and that resulted in Sasha's death. Didn't Mikasa explicitly said that Eren they know wouldn't get his friends involved and children's involved even if they are enemy's children? Because there is an obvious difference between chad Eren and the Eren Mikasa was referring to, this Eren was still searching for other means than rumbling. This Eren was still hoping for a change in the future he saw, but upon reaching Marley, all his hopes were shattered, he saw things playing out exactly the way he saw. He saw any hopes of possible negotiations getting turned down, he saw his people becoming a scapegoat for world hatred, this is the point where this Eren was gone and we see chad Eren who dragged his friends in battle with high stakes and no guarantee who will survive, the Eren who mercilessly killed children without having any second thoughts because at this point he has accepted the future he saw. None of this changes the fact that he still cares for his friends but he still had to do whatever he is doing because for him there is no other choice, this Eren who respects and yearns for freedom more than anything else who still cares for his friends to the point he is simply defending him and not so offensive that might kill his friends decided not to take away his friend's freedom from them, and let them act freely even if it might kill them. He is willing to face the consequences of his action out of his free will and he is willing for the same for his friends as well. I see this as completely consistent with the transition from the old Eren to the chad Eren whether you agree or not.
Lastly, you saying this increases his chances of failure or increases his Enemy, and that too at the risk of his friends dying. First, Eren has already succeeded. Even if Isayama doesn't explicitly mention how much the world has been rumbled, I think he has given us conclusive evidence to deduce that around 90 % of the world population has been rumbled. Second, there is definitely more to what Eren and Ymir wanted which we all are hoping that we will finally get in the final chapter. Third, if Eren has actually simply acted in self-defense in the previous chapters and was simply stalling his friends then increasing enemies or chances of failure doesn't even make sense, because it was him letting them fight, he knew he would never fail because failing or not is still in his hands and he never intended to fail and he actually already succeeded as well so it doesn't even matter if no. of enemy increases or chances of failure increases because he knows he will succeed.

I am pretty sure Eren's plan always involved the end of titanization, for which Hallucegenia has to be killed probably and this could never have been achieved if Eren simply went ahead, alter his friends' memories and rumble the world. An ending where Titan powers still exist will be far from the freedom that Eren would wish for his people to have. With titan powers still there Eldians will never be free.

cAbaddon said:
Eren didn’t turn them into titans, it was the hallucinegia.

BilboBaggins365 said:


Where are you getting this in the dialogue/panel? No where did I see it being indicate as a hallucination. The wiki also says all Elidians in FT Salta are transformed into titans.

cAbaddon said:


The hallucigenia is the parasite, the so called source of all living matter.

BilboBaggins365 said:


Again from what panel are you getting this?

cAbaddon said:


Uhm? From the panel of the thing liberating gas and calling the titans in self defense?

Danpmss said:


It was out of consideration and possibly a lot of guilt, and definitely within Eren's character to give his friends means to stop him if they so want. Aka, not brainwashing them into submission, as he clearly also stated to Historia in their flashback, and said himself he wouldn't do it.

So no, I don't see where's this inconcistency of him doing as such, like you are saying there are. I respectfully disagree with that statement, as per what we could see from his objective perspective so far.

If there's more that make me eat my words, so be it, but I don't really see the need for any more, and if there's not a thing, it's sufficient for what we got to know so far imo.

vdlier said:
why did Mikasa beheaded Eren in latest chapter 138? Rip jean and connie

vdlier said:



sry i am new

but he died with only a kiss