| I'm actually quite surprised nobody started this discussion. So my brother and I were discussing the latest chapter of One Piece earlier today and one way or another, it pretty much lead to what we thought One Piece actually was. My brother thinks it has to do with Devil Fruits - whether it be some god-like fruit or a fruit that reverses DFs effects, all he said was that One Piece will have something to do with that. He wasn't giving me any specifics, but when I offered up some popular theories like One Piece being the Rio Poneglyph or a simply treasure box with nothing it in, signifying that your nakama and adventures is that One Piece, he wouldn't buy it, saying it would be the most anti-climatic crap ever. And he pretty much discounted it being simply gold and jewels. So my question is what does everyone here really think One Piece is? Personally, I believe that while the gold and jewels will be there, I favor the Rio Poneglyph theory over the other popular ones. One theory that I did find intriguing was one in which supposedly Dragon and Roger worked together in the Revolutionary Army in attempting to take down the WG and in order to do so, they needed tohave a strong army, so Roger *sacrificed* himself to start the Grand Age of Pirates, thus helping in making that dream come true. Either way, I have a feeling that Eiichiro Oda - the only man alive that probably knows what it is - will make it so unbelievably unexpected and surprising, it'll be something of legend in anime/manga itself. |
| The thing with the adventure and time you spent with your friends being the treasure has been a done quite a few times in the west, but I don't know if the Japanese are that familiar with it, and Oda's an eccentric guy, so I wouldn't completely put off that idea. I find it very unlikely that it's any kind of gold, money, or whatever. With the way "treasure" has been defined thoughout One Piece, particularly in the early episodes, I kind of doubt that the One Piect itself is anything that's of monetary value. Watch, it'll be a second straw hat XD. Luffy will lose his own in the final fight, and the One Piece turns out to be a replacement hat. I'm half-expecting for it to be something like that, something that will make most of the crew go "what the hell!?" but Luffy will think it's awesome XD. Could be that poneglyph too, though. It's really hard to say, because the name of it, One Piece, is almost the only clue. |
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| I've read this question and thread so many times. For me, I actually believe it will be the Gold and Jewels as it should be. I never really figured why people began to question it. It is what it is. I LOL if it was something mediocre that only Luffy would find awesome, A life time supply of meat! Anyway - Yeah, I believe it is the treasure and stuff along with a long and prosperous history which will have an arc devoted to it. Of course, That is, If Oda ever decides to tell us. |
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| Ha ha... Just watch, at the end of the series, the Strawhats are going to reach Raftel and find Gol D. Roger himself sitting on a lawn chair. "Huh? One Piece? ... I, uh, I didn't expect anyone to make it this far... I kind of spent my entire fortune bribing people to keep quiet about the fact that I'm still alive. How about an I.O.U?" ...Eh, I kind of like the Rio Poneglyph theory myself, but I don't think that's all there is to it. Whatever it is, it's got to be worth it... if One Piece itself wasn't a big deal, that wouldn't be the name of the series. But for now, I'm content to wait and see what Oda has planned. |
| I dont think we will ever get to know what it is. I think it will be a last episode where luffy and the crew runs up a hill/down a cave or whatever and they see a ton of gold. Then Luffy says something like "OVER HEEERE EVERYOOOOONE!", and the crew says, "No way...", "Omg" and things like that while we get to see their backs and not the actual treasure itself. Thats what I think the last episode is going to be, and in fact I dont think Oda knows what One Piece is himself. |
| It's nothing. They made it to the end in 'one piece' and had one hell of an adventurer and that's their reward. Life time nakamas. Everything will end in Gol D. Rogers message he left in Raftel. and/or what Yakamachi said, we see only crews backs and them going "I can't believe it" ect, then bright light comes and the first opening song is played as ending song. Personally I wish Oda will keep One Piece as a mystery until it ends and even long after. |
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| Couldnt agree with you more Kionniko, theres nothing that could be satisfying enough for the readers, so theres no one piece. I hope Oda realizes this and dont tell us what it is, unless he makes up something reaaaally awesome. |
| Yeah i agree too. One piece is pretty much just adventure and "that place" is the whole grand line. Although there might be some treasure on Raftel besides the Rio Poneglyph of course |
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| This is off topic, but talking about this has gotten me thinking about the All Blue, the place Sanji wants to find with all the fish in the world. I wonder if it will be on the same island as 'One Piece,' or if it's somewhere before that point. |
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| Hum... Hard to say really. I think its before, just a moment before the op island |
| What Yakamachi and Kionniko suggested has a high probability if we think of climactic patterns .. then opposite of what was stated, first ending song is the one that will be played and we will see the backs of the final crew (just like in the first ending song) .. hehe .. |
| Altough I reaaaally hope that Oda is capable of finding something awesome that could quench our desires for the one piece... Who knows? It might actually be something that doesnt fail our expectations ;) |
| Has Oda ever disappointed us before? I don't think you have to worry about it being anti-climactic. |
| Well, there he is abit predictable I whould say, so I hope that this One Piece thing is unpredictable. If you know what I mean :) |
| what is one piece..? it's an anime worthy of an addiction lol |
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| 1. The One Piece will be the most important thing there was to G. Old Roger, no doubt in my mind. A memento of one of his dead friends or something similarly One Piece-ish. 2. But it will still be very useful, worth immense amounts and very central to the plot. 3. My money's on a Devil Fruit, or something intensely linked to the origin of them. |
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| One Piece must be a friggin Gundam. |
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| I award you a win-cookie for that. Actually, a mecha seems like such an outrageous possibility it's probably true. |
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| Oda did say that, once One Piece ended, he wanted to write a story about robots... |
| Mechas are technically a kind of dress, aren't they? Oh yes they are. A steely kind of dress that kind resist the hit from a smaller nuclear blast. THIS IS STARTING TO MAKE SENSE! |
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| people become pirates for the adventures. so it's might be that this is the meaning of one piece - go to the greatest adventure there is, win against it and become the pirate king. like the pirate king is the man who had gone through the bigest adventure and won one piece. one piece - the greatest treasure - can be just an adventure. (though "just" really isn't the right word to describe it - it'll probably be huge ^_^ ) |
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| Well if you read "Wanted" you'll get a general idea of it too...Although i expect that raftel will be pretty cool anyway.. |
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| I think One Piece is the journey one must take to GAIN all the fame, fortune and power in the world. By that logic, Luffy is slowly becoming the Pirate King, cause every town he goes to ends up cheering for him (fame). He beats all these Shichibukai (power). Only thing is, when he gets money, he spends it all in an instant... |
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| Actually, Roger himself hasn't never admitted that his treasure is in Raftel. When he was executed the crowd asked about OP, and he just grinned and asked "my treasure?" sounding amused. He died before he managed to tell the location of his treasure. And he never said his treasures name is One Piece, so it's still mysterious what One Piece means. My guess is that there is no treasure in Raftel, maybe a map to the treasure/Rio Poneglyph. I guess the Strawhats' adventure continues even though the manga ends. Only difference will be that Luffy is acknowledged as a new Pirate King. If it was money and jewels, Roger would have given it to his crewmates before he died. It must be something important to him/ to his crew/ to the pirates. Or/and it is something that contains will of D. |
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| The One Piece is the one piece of history that's been erased from all books, meaning: Rio Poneglyph :P (actually it's just one of many guesses) @up: Of course Roger didn't say which place was it in, he didn't even say if the treasure actually existed and God bless him, because if he did, then Luffy might have not become a pirate (manga readers should know what I'm talking about;p) But you're wrong - Roger didn't die before revealing the place, he simply didn't want to reveal it. He said: "I've left everything in that place. If you want it search for it." |
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| Guesses: 1.'One Piece' is a thing that would bring all the missing pieces together, like an answer to a big question, a blank page in history, or it can even be a thing that can change the future. 2. (more specific) it can be the ultimate weapon the WG is so eager to find. Considering that two of Luffy's crew have a connection with that: Robin as the decipher to find it and Franky as the holder of it's blueprint. " I'ts good to take your time finding it so you'll have the time to decide what to do after.." (something like that) -manga readers would know who said that. 3. 'one piece' are the things you've learned during your adventure.. 4.Friendship!! -mojackou LOL 5. A treasure chest with Oda-san's picture inside! Waaa! |
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Gradonil_Ral said: @up: Of course Roger didn't say which place was it in, he didn't even say if the treasure actually existed and God bless him, because if he did, then Luffy might have not become a pirate (manga readers should know what I'm talking about;p) You're definitely right. Without Roger's words there wouldn't be Great Age of Pirates and Luffy wouldn't chase after One Piece. But Luffy's reason to be pirate is Shanks. Also since they say that Roger and Luffy are alike, it's easy to believe that Pirate King told about non-existing treasure on purpose, because he wanted people search it and have adventures at the same time. I think it's important thing that he didn't say that the treasure is on Raftel. Nobody else has managed to get there, so there's no meaning in keeping it secret. Even though he did say that "my tresure is on Raftel", it's no use if nobody gets there. So why he didn't say it? |
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| I know Luffy's reason for becoming a pirate, but what I meant there was the time when Luffy said Henna said: Well, we can't be so sure. If Raftel was really place where One Piece lies, then I'm sure there would be some people who'd be really trying to get there. I mean do you really think that Four Emperors aren't capable of getting there? I highly doubt that. They just don't want to do it knowing the treasure might not be there.I think it's important thing that he didn't say that the treasure is on Raftel. Nobody else has managed to get there, so there's no meaning in keeping it secret. Even though he did say that "my tresure is on Raftel", it's no use if nobody gets there. So why he didn't say it? And here's my question - do you think that Shanks doesn't know where One Piece is hidden? I mean he was part of Roger Pirates, so he should know (maybe not the exact place, like under that tree, but he should know at least the island). He has the advantage, why don't he just take his chance? I think that he's not after the Pirate King's seat, he just enjoys being a pirate. Why Roger didn't say the place? The same reason for which Shanks didn't tell anyone too - it'd be boring. |
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| Yes, I believe that it's almost impossible to get to Raftel and even Shanks might be in trouble if he tries it. But as you said, he doesn't care about it. Whitebeard cares, since he is claimed to be next Pirate King. He is powerful too, but he still hasn't found OP. My point was that it doesn't matter if we know that One Piece is on Raftel, 'cause even though you know island's name, you are still far away from finding OP. Raftel may be huge island, and it's definetily dangerous. In addition, it's in the end of Grand Line. It's so hard to get there, and you have to fight other pirates while searching the treasure. So why Roger didn't say bluntly that treasure is there? I have tried to prove that it might be misunderstanding that One Piece is on Raftel, since Roger himself didn't said it. This is just my hunch, and nothing more. |
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| And my point was that going to Raftel would be really dangerous, but not impossible. Four Emperors might just want to avoid possible deaths of their crew mates which would probably happen on the way there. They want to avoid it knowing that there might be no treasure on Raftel = sacrificing their crew would be pointless there. Besides not saying the place makes bigger mystery - there might be no treasure at all. Or maybe not only pirates are interested in the One Piece (if it's Rio Poneglyph or one of those Dark Weapons) - what would happen if marines/WG started to search for it (openly)? If they knew the island I doubt they would care about sacrificing some people (WG guys are bad guys, ya'know) and maybe Roger wanted to avoid it? |
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| Hmm... when did it come out that Raftel is the final island on the grand line, anyway? For the life of me I can't remember who said it, or where the theory came from that One Piece is there... but depending, does anyone else think it's possible... that Raftel is a sky island? Or that there's some extremely dangerous/only happens at a specific time when you have a South bird type of way to get to a sky island from Raftel, and said Sky Island is actually where One Piece is? Looking at all the trouble the Straw Hats had getting to Skypiea... something like that might explain why no one's found the treasure yet. Maybe the reason White Beard is considered close is because he knows how to reach the treasure and has just been waiting for the right conditions. Or is that just crazy? I guess we've also got to consider that Oda hasn't changed the story's end since he first started, and I don't really think Skypiea was part of his original plan for One Piece... |
| It's common thing that Raftel is the very last island on the Grand Line, but I don't remember when was it in manga/anime for the first time. (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Raftel - it says it was in 105th chapter/63rd ep) Well you could probably say that there can be an island behind Raftel too 'cause nobody got there, so nobody can't say it's not true... But only if we forgotten that Raftel is right next to Twin Capes (though it's on the other side of the Red Line). But I doubt it is a Sky Island (most of people don't believe in sky islands) - I'm actually pretty sure that there was some info about Raftel in the manga.... Something about always stormy seas and the most dangerous sea monsters living around it... |
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| I reckon one piece contains some sort of diary that who ever becomes a Pirate king can write the journeys in it? but that would be pretty stink.. It may even be some sort of resurrection trigger to bring Roger back which will mean he will start another crew with the straw hats as his nakama??? (defies the point of luffy becoming pirate king) Or Maybe one piece contains something valuble to roger and he put like a lucky hat or something in. So when luffy finds the treasure with the crew there is some message " your Journey has come to along awaited end. your nakama are now rich and you have all survived and are all in "one piece" haha doubt it. but, it might have something valuble to rodger and luffy just replaces it with something valuble to him like his hat? The journey would be over which will mean a new pirate king should arise over luffy? i really like the theory of no one knowing what one piece actually is and that it can never be found out!!! |
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HirakoShinji1 said: I reckon one piece contains some sort of diary that who ever becomes a Pirate king can write the journeys in it? but that would be pretty stink.. Lol, can you even imagine Luffy writing a dairy? o_O It may even be some sort of resurrection trigger to bring Roger back which will mean he will start another crew with the straw hats as his nakama??? (defies the point of luffy becoming pirate king) Roger doesn't seem to be a person who'd want to be resurrected... Or Maybe one piece contains something valuble to roger and he put like a lucky hat or something in. So when luffy finds the treasure with the crew there is some message " your Journey has come to along awaited end. your nakama are now rich and you have all survived and are all in "one piece" haha doubt it. Well, we've been talking about something like this a few times. To be honest we wouldn't be surprised it that was the case :P but, it might have something valuble to rodger and luffy just replaces it with something valuble to him like his hat? While it could be something valuable for Roger, I'll never agree with Luffy leaving "his" hat - the only possible option for him giving up on the hat would be giving it back to Shanks. The journey would be over which will mean a new pirate king should arise over luffy? Uhm, no. It won't be an end - there's still bunch of things to do after that (like meeting Laboon and going to Alabasta). And as to next Pirate King - of course whoever beats Luffy shall be the new Pirate King... |
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| writing in a Diary???? haha nope!!!! not at all my friend.... Roger himself maybe full of suprises.... knowing "one piece" it is quite the random one sometimes. that was a good point about the hat.. the hat symbols the connection and respect he has for Shanks. That's a instrument that plays a part in the bond they have... giving it away in vain would be so pointless. plus he probably would have given it to shanks once they meet. The journey wouldn't end as you say...but something else would happen on their journeys back to the beginnning of the red line... Do you care to answer at what point would the marines come through? and will they have a final fight against the pirates.... And what of Zoro and Hawk Eye? wont that be a spectacular fight to see? |
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HirakoShinji1 said: Roger himself maybe full of suprises.... knowing "one piece" it is quite the random one sometimes. Uhm... if you read manga you should understand why did I say that Roger wasn't such a person. plus he probably would have given it to shanks once they meet. I think Shanks would say something like "give it to me once you become Pirate King" or sth like that :P The journey wouldn't end as you say...but something else would happen on their journeys back to the beginnning of the red line... There's no beginning of red line :P So I guess you did mean Grand Line, didnt you? Anywayz, Raftel is the last island on the Grand Line. Going there would be big thing enough - I doubt anything would happen after that. Do you care to answer at what point would the marines come through? and will they have a final fight against the pirates.... If you read mange you'll get your answer... in some part. And what of Zoro and Hawk Eye? wont that be a spectacular fight to see? It will be, but to be honest most of fights in the New World will be spectacular... that's how strong pirates are there. |
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| Personally, I'm almost a hundred percent sure that one piece won't be an actual treasure of money and gold because that defies the whole spirit of the Straw Hat Pirates. They're not in it for the money. They're in it for the adventure and to fulfill their dreams! Besides, Luffy specifically says to Rayleigh that he doesn't want to be Pirate King for the power but only because the Pirate King seems to have the greatest freedom in the world. That kind of tells me that One Piece will have something to do with defeating the World Government. A major theme of the show has been overthrowing the WG and reestablishing justice and order in the world of One Piece, so likely Luffy will get the treasure once he's liberated the world from tyranny and it will be some sort of symbol for the birth of a new society. Either that or it'll be something to help him defeat the WG. Maybe once he gets it, he'll return to the start of the Grand Line, meet Laboon, and revisit Alabasta on his journey to confront the WG. There's a good chance it could be the Rio Poneglyph but I prefer to think it'll be something that ties everything together: the poneglyphs, Franky's weapon, the reason why Roger got executed, etc. Also, I'd just hate the idea of One Piece not being revealed in the end or of it being a symbol for friendship and adventure because that would just really screw over all the dedicated fans who spent years watching the show just to find out the secret of the treasure!!! |
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