Attack on Titan
Scordolo said: lmao okay waitIt kinda worries me that they're not sure if we'll like it but it's probably because of the vast difference between not only the studios but also the whole anime itself. So everyone are ignoring my post and arguing about the anime huh? Also some guy said he looked tired af πππ |
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| Wtf is happening? What are the news? CGI titans confirmed or just rumors? By the way we surpassed Ishuzoku Reviewers thread. |
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| @SirTristram This is me being curious here. If you have anything against me, then don't bother. What are your thoughts on the CGI titans? I know you were saying titans are gonna be CG from the beginning, so you don't have to bring that up. I'm asking about whether you'll find the series digestible with superb 3D scenes (supposing we get extraordinary CG), or you'll find it hard to like the final season because of this. |
| Jesus, i guess this is now the longest thread in MAL's history, sasuga you guys did it... Why is everyone panicking in the first place ? |
| Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone. |
LeAskon said: Karnox001 said: Wtf is happening? What are the news? CGI titans confirmed or just rumors? By the way we surpassed Ishuzoku Reviewers thread. Nothing too bad happened, Titans are CG but supposedly look very good and barely noticeable, changes have been made to the PV stuff to make it more polished, split is more or less confirmed, a pretty good pacing, a new, interesting and spoiler free approach to the opening that doesn't rely on your standard hype AOT shonen tropes, directed by the series director himself which contradicts supposed "leaks" that worried everyone for nothing, a pretty nice staff for the ED directed by Yamashita (Dorohedoro OP), outsource to Studio NUT which is a fantastic studio, cute new Gabi art, interview of CG director showing his impressive ambitions Honestly, for now this is all good to me Oh, that looks really good. Nut is definitely a good studio. Hayashi himself directing the opening? Nice. Changes to PV were needed here and there. And split you mean after 16 eps right? |
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YMN_KAT said: @SirTristram This is me being curious here. If you have anything against me, then don't bother. What are your thoughts on the CGI titans? I know you were saying titans are gonna be CG from the beginning, so you don't have to bring that up. I'm asking about whether you'll find the series digestible with superb 3D scenes (supposing we get extraordinary CG), or you'll find it hard to like the final season because of this. There is no such thing as "superb 3D scenes", there are only better ones and terrible ones in my opinion. If they were really "superb", MAPPA wouldn't need to use 2D shots in Dorohedoro just to balance things. The same will happen here, some important scenes probably will be 2D animated. The thing is, it's just a plain downgrade from a regular 2D, and that's what I'm arguing against. Questioning if it is acceptable or digestible is only muddying the discussion and arguments for consistency doesn't make sense. The real question should be, why MAPPA had to resort to heavy 3D usage when Wit didn't? The schedule difference isn't huge, and MAPPA is way bigger than Wit. So it should balance things out. |
Thank you for your answers mate. |
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| @SirTristram You know perfectly well that I’m not on anyone’s side. We’ve had our discussions but I have never called anyone a doomer. I actually started out as one of those so called fanatic doomers but had a change of heart when I learned what the staff is capable of. |
MironBironDec 3, 2020 3:09 AM
SirTristram said: There is no such thing as "superb 3D scenes", there are only better ones and terrible ones in my opinion. Yeah yeah, you can take superb as good. It's just a choice of words nothing too literal, I meant good. SirTristram said: The thing is, it's just a plain downgrade from a regular 2D, and that's what I'm arguing against. Questioning if it is acceptable or digestible is only muddying the discussion and arguments for consistency doesn't make sense No no, please don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to find excuses for Mappa for using CG like consistency. At this point, I think they went that way maybe for a stylistic choice (my opinion). I just wanted to see if you'd still enjoy the show or not. It's fine if you don't wanna answer that. SirTristram said: The real question should be, why MAPPA had to resort to heavy 3D usage when Wit didn't? I'm assuming you don't believe it's a stylistic choice? That's what I think. Don't get me wrong, but WIT definitely didn't have the capability of going full CG (we saw how bad their CG can be). |
Krugerman said: I'm guessing they are trying to minimize quality drops and being smart abt it? Also to make titans design more consistent cause 3dmg gear is already too complex ( even as a still) and will take alot of time and corrections to make it look good. Basically trying to evade the problems WIT did ( trying to make some scenes too good and end up having weaker scenes in some eps) They will end up with something very consistent on being subpar then. They aren't trying to evade Wit's problems, they have it worse. That's why even the 9 titans are CGI, which are arguably the most important aspect of the show. Just wait and see when they outsource most of the key and sakuga moments, this will prove my point. And I'm not talking about indivual super-animators, I'm talking about to studios. Besides, everyone kinda forgets 3D looks very different and clunky in the anime compared to a single shot we got. Obviously most people don't have criticism at the moment, but don't think this reflects the reality and quality. @YMN_KAT People who think using CGI is a stylistic choice and not a necessity are like the people who had a change of heart today. You'll see soon. |
SirTristramDec 3, 2020 3:12 AM
| Dec 3 Planned to stay home and watch aot this sunday night, but receives Mappa invitation for a staff gathering to watch episode 1 in the company lol, I shall go then, we can relax and complain together while watching the anime~ π  woah... half day away from the forum and we are reaching 100 pages soon? man.. you guys are so active π |
SirTristram said: The thing is, it's just a plain downgrade from a regular 2D, and that's what I'm arguing against. Questioning if it is acceptable or digestible is only muddying the discussion and arguments for consistency doesn't make sense. The real question should be, why MAPPA had to resort to heavy 3D usage when Wit didn't? The schedule difference isn't huge, and MAPPA is way bigger than Wit. So it should balance things out. I agree with all of this. |
| At least for me, the best moment in the manga is a sequence of chapters with no titans in them. So i wont have to worry about that, unless they make the characters cgi. |
| Hmmm I think some people either missed or chose to ignore the part where DAC says "The CG designs are top-notch, and the movements are pretty fluid" and also "Honestly, I think the vast majority of the audience wouldn't even recognize that the titans aren't actually hand-drawn". So I mean if you're gonna believe every word this guy says, then you should believe this too. And if you believe this, then I don't think you guys need to worry as much as you are right now. |
I'm not even worried, see you all in episode 1 discussion thread. |
WillofFire700 said: Hmmm I think some people either missed or chose to ignore the part where DAC says "The CG designs are top-notch, and the movements are pretty fluid" and also "Honestly, I think the vast majority of the audience wouldn't even recognize that the titans aren't actually hand-drawn". So I mean if you're gonna believe every word this guy says, then you should believe this too. And if you believe this, then I don't think you guys need to worry as much as you are right now. Take this haters. Ha ha. |
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Exactly I am feeling really excited and curious as to what and how MAPPA is gonna deliver. |
| @Dovaiakh Studio Nut is very good see Youjo Senki, Deca-dence. I have more faith in them than Mappa. XD |
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exactly my dude, I'm not even worried tbh, MAPPA putting all their effort and I'm gonna enjoy it |
WillofFire700 said: Hmmm I think some people either missed or chose to ignore the part where DAC says "The CG designs are top-notch, and the movements are pretty fluid" and also "Honestly, I think the vast majority of the audience wouldn't even recognize that the titans aren't actually hand-drawn". So I mean if you're gonna believe every word this guy says, then you should believe this too. And if you believe this, then I don't think you guys need to worry as much as you are right now. I didn't ignore that part, I just find it hard to believe. People will surely notice, and he is clearly comparing it to 3D standards. He isn't saying it'll be top notch, but good enough to trick most people. Besides, I'm not in that vast majority, so I don't need to talk like one. People should know it by now. I think you are the one who ignores the main discussion, tell me, would you prefer 3D titans or 2D titans? Don't cope out by saying if they can make them better and more consistent in 3D, they should. That's just accepting MAPPA isn't good enough or the schedule is dead anyway. Which is one of the other pillars of my argument. |
WillofFire700 said: Hmmm I think some people either missed or chose to ignore the part where DAC says "The CG designs are top-notch, and the movements are pretty fluid" and also "Honestly, I think the vast majority of the audience wouldn't even recognize that the titans aren't actually hand-drawn". So I mean if you're gonna believe every word this guy says, then you should believe this too. And if you believe this, then I don't think you guys need to worry as much as you are right now. ‘‘Pretty Fluid’’ doesn’t do it for me. Nor does ‘‘The vast majority of the audience wouldn't even recognize that the titans aren't actually hand-drawn’’. If they choose to downgrade a big chunk of the action by having most, if not all, Titans rendered in CG, what is there left to to throw all of their resources on? All of the action is gonna be so extremely Titan focused that there’s barely any room left for 2D sakuga if what the leaker is saying is true. Unless we get extremely detailed Character Animation and even better Background Art I have no idea why they’d sacrifice Titan action. Like, literally don’t accept to produce the show if you’re gonna cut corners on its most important aspect animation-wise. |
Same. I've been this way since the trailer dropped in May. |
| well i cant even remember how many popcorn and chips i ate while reading all the replies lol. it was really worth spend the time here see you guys in episode 1 discussion |
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SirTristram said: Titans are important in like 3 chapters of the marley and the final arc imo (I mean to look good)Krugerman said: I'm guessing they are trying to minimize quality drops and being smart abt it? Also to make titans design more consistent cause 3dmg gear is already too complex ( even as a still) and will take alot of time and corrections to make it look good. Basically trying to evade the problems WIT did ( trying to make some scenes too good and end up having weaker scenes in some eps) They will end up with something very consistent on being subpar then. They aren't trying to evade Wit's problems, they have it worse. That's why even the 9 titans are CGI, which are arguably the most important aspect of the show. Just wait and see when they outsource most of the key and sakuga moments, this will prove my point. And I'm not talking about indivual super-animators, I'm talking about to studios. Besides, everyone kinda forgets 3D looks very different and clunky in the anime compared to a single shot we got. Obviously most people don't have criticism at the moment, but don't think this reflects the reality and quality. @YMN_KAT People who think using CGI is a stylistic choice and not a necessity are like the people who had a change of heart today. You'll see soon. |
hinako49 said: In the interview with the 3dcg producer Tannawa-san released today, he said something like they can't recreate the drawings (sakuga) of WIT but they will put effort into what they are good with to satisfy the viewer, i think they are referring to mappa strengths in 3DCG here? perhaps that's why they rely heavily on this also there are tight schedule problems so they are using cg to reduce the time like @deg said? Yeah but reducing time on this season’s most important aspect when it comes to action animation feels like betrayal. Like, as if they absolutely don’t care about the craft that went into making the Beast, Armored and Female Titans as good as they looked throughout the series. Along with the 3DMG, Titan action is one of its defining elements, beautifully crafted and hand-drawn, wholesome even, one of the things that made AoT what it is today. There won’t be much left action-wise if they really decided to animate most, if not all, Titans in CG this season. I refuse to believe that they sacrificed craftsmanship like that. I’m afraid as shit right now. |
Rdxrchi said: Titans are important in like 3 chapters of the marley and the final arc imo (I mean to look good) That’s exactly why they should go for hand-drawn 2D animation. This season isn’t heavy on the action, but the few action episodes that are there are very important. If they have to cut corners this heavily on the little Titan action that we’re gonna get they shouldn’t have taken on the series in the first place. |
JuicyDragonCat said: If they didn't take on aot tho then there would have been no final season There would be, but not this soon, more like the next year. Let's end this myth once and for all and stop painting MAPPA like some sort of a tragic hero. If this fails, just know we would possibly get something better if MAPPA declined the schedule like the other studios. Committee would have no choice but to wait for circumstances to get better then. Who knows, maybe even Wit could return. I'm not saying this to legitimate the committee, but it's not entirely their fault. |
Scordolo said: It's gonna be one of the most insane anime openings for sure!!!https://twitter.com/Dacsubs/status/1334434138351423488 The opening won't feature any of the actual characters. Instead, it will be taking a metaphorical approach. The concept will be highlighting the cruelty of war! |
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