| So after rewatching gate, I realised how Itami is an actual monster, In the entire show Itami doesn't seem to give a flying fuck killing people from other races and casually commits borderline genocidal with very little mercy. He doesn't once stop and think about the consequences of his actions and go, "wow I killed a lot of people today maybe I went a little overboard." I mean granted Japan got attacked and yes its an anime, it obviously needs to escalate things. but I feel like his basic problem breaking skills boils down to, just kill shoot everything on site and it`ll work out. I mean people seem to fully understand how characters like Light, Ainz and Johan are monsters. But with Itami everyone shrugs their shoulders. Whenever there is a discussion about evil characters, Itami is never mentioned. Is it bc of the comedic tone the show has, or is it due to the fact that his a fellow otaku or is it bc his a chill dude? So I`m really curious am I the only one who thinks like this or am I just late to the discussion? |
4thewinJan 26, 2019 3:20 AM
| its been a long time since i watched the anime, but i am glad he is like this, because honestly it pisses me off when characters whine all day about "oh no i killed someone" he is a soldier, he killed hundreds, maybe thousands, whining about it every day would be annoying for the viewer and it would simply be stupid in general, whats the point of breaking ur head like that every day? now i don't recall many details of the anime, so i do not know what you are particularly referring to, but if i recall right, didn't he always kill out of self defense, like when the army attacked them at the start of the show? honestly, i feel like he always acted out of his belief of what is right, therefore he simply doesn't feel any remorse. He was doing what he had to to protect his people/subordinates/friends |
| Don't really see whats so evil about Itami he is part of the army so its to be expected that he should kill. If he kept fixating that what he was doing could be seen as bad I don't think he could do his job correctly Not to say thats an excuse for everything but I fail to see why he is worser than anyone else in the show who follows orders for their country |
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Daphi said: its been a long time since i watched the anime, but i am glad he is like this, because honestly it pisses me off when characters whine all day about "oh no i killed someone" he is a soldier, he killed hundreds, maybe thousands, whining about it every day would be annoying for the viewer and it would simply be stupid in general, whats the point of breaking ur head like that every day? now i don't recall many details of the anime, so i do not know what you are particularly referring to, but if i recall right, didn't he always kill out of self defense, like when the army attacked them at the start of the show? honestly, i feel like he always acted out of his belief of what is right, therefore he simply doesn't feel any remorse. He was doing what he had to to protect his people/subordinates/friends Fair point, I do somewhat agree with the self defence argument but I do feel like that justification doesn't go beyond the first ep. I guess I`m also going to include the whole JDF but after the first massacre by the JDF I could kind of understand their justification. but then the JDF just don't stop, Itami doesn't stop. Its not longer self defence. They continue to invade the other world further and further and continue their killing way beyond Japan`s initial casualties. That was the thing I was kind of baffled with |
Deknijff said: Don't really see whats so evil about Itami he is part of the army so its to be expected that he should kill. If he kept fixating that what he was doing could be seen as bad I don't think he could do his job correctly Not to say thats an excuse for everything but I fail to see why he is worser than anyone else in the show who follows orders for their country I do agree with you that its the army`s job is to pretty much kill and follow command and everyone is pretty much bad as each other in the show. but as a high ranking member of the Japanese Defence force his priority should be to minimise casualties not escalate them once on the field. They already demonstrate military supercity. But he and the rest of the JDF believe peace is achieved through more massacres. And they also think destroying their ecosystem is totally cool. I mean Itami never once as a leader thinks about how leaving behind a trial of fatherless orphans widow women might be a bad idea. He hold power and responsibility but doesn't exercise them appropriately. |
Daphi said: omg this, I get so annoyed and cringe when a person in the military / defense squad cry about killing someone who antagonized and threatened their safety, like, that's far cry from realistic at all and make no damn sense within context. Anime often go way overdramatic on stuffs like that making it very hard to sympathize at all because they want to portray themselves as this pure soul who'd never do any wrong.. way too PC.its been a long time since i watched the anime, but i am glad he is like this, because honestly it pisses me off when characters whine all day about "oh no i killed someone" he is a soldier, he killed hundreds, maybe thousands, whining about it every day would be annoying for the viewer and it would simply be stupid in general, whats the point of breaking ur head like that every day? |
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4thewin said: What?I do agree with you that its the army`s job is to pretty much kill and follow command and everyone is pretty much bad as each other in the show. but as a high ranking member of the Japanese Defence force his priority should be to minimise casualties not escalate them once on the field. They already demonstrate military supercity. But he and the rest of the JDF believe peace is achieved through more massacres. And they also think destroying their ecosystem is totally cool. Last I checked they tried very heavily to achieve peace through political connections and alliances along with giving the common folk of the world medical advancements much greater than what they had before I can't recall a single time a military leader said they had to kill endlessly to achieve some kind of artificial peace 4thewin said: But Itami not even that high up in command. He leads a group on the ground but he is hardly the highest person in chain of command overall. He has orders he has to follow upon for the nation's bigger goals. That takes priority over orphans he probably couldn't help beyond small momentary superficial help that might not actually do anything in the long run compared to a grander longer term improvement between the countries or worlds in this case thats first needed I mean Itami never once as a leader thinks about how leaving behind a trial of fatherless orphans widow women might be a bad idea. He hold power and responsibility but doesn't exercise them appropriately. |
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| It's been a while since I've seen the show but does he ever actually kill people who are NOT actively attacking him (or his allies)? Really that would just fall under self defense but since he's a soldier, we should assume he's killed before so that's probably why it doesn't bother him. Maybe it's a bit unrealistic but I don't see what's evil about him or his actions. |
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Deknijff said: 4thewin said: What?I do agree with you that its the army`s job is to pretty much kill and follow command and everyone is pretty much bad as each other in the show. but as a high ranking member of the Japanese Defence force his priority should be to minimise casualties not escalate them once on the field. They already demonstrate military supercity. But he and the rest of the JDF believe peace is achieved through more massacres. And they also think destroying their ecosystem is totally cool. Last I checked they tried very heavily to achieve peace through political connections and alliances along with giving the common folk of the world medical advancements much greater than what they had before I can't recall a single time a military leader said they had to kill endlessly to achieve some kind of artificial peace 4thewin said: But Itami not even that high up in command. He leads a group on the ground but he is hardly the highest person in chain of command overall. He has orders he has to follow upon for the nation's bigger goals. That takes priority over orphans he probably couldn't help beyond small momentary superficial help that might not actually do anything in the long run compared to a grander longer term improvement between the countries or worlds in this case thats first needed I mean Itami never once as a leader thinks about how leaving behind a trial of fatherless orphans widow women might be a bad idea. He hold power and responsibility but doesn't exercise them appropriately. When has assimilating your own technology and politics through military might ever gone well for the natives? America, Australia WWI,WWII Japan. sure on the surface its seems like a win win situation,bringing in advanced medicine, tech. and seems like peace is on the horizon when in reality its political blackmail. If they truly wanted peace they would have immediately stopped their invasion but no they then terra form their country by bombing the place, destroying crops, killing their men. Which brings an opportunity for the JDF bring their own crops, men and aid. They tactically black mailed the other world to accept their aid. The SDF and the Japanese gov both want to take over the world as stated in ep 4 by using the other worlds resources for their own. They claim to bring peace with resources yet look how the SDF and Itami used the resources they currently have, they used it for more invasion campaigns. Also they just kill all their men, while they keep the children and women alive to turn them into their side and use them as resources. That just straight up manipulation. I mean a lot of threads have already discussed gate is basically pro WW1/II Japan and we all know how their enlightenment went. I just thought someone like Itami who serves a country that literally had the worst atrocities might be a little more careful. Despite all this Itami never goes, this is too far, we had our revenge and we should stop. but instead he happily does his duty full knowing SDF are taking over the world. His no better than Ainz. And you cant take over the world without more killing |
4thewinJan 26, 2019 5:31 PM
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