Renkini said: I agree with OP. The whole setting is f*cked up. The author is literally saying you can't become a superhero if you don't have superpowers. Looks like he doesn't know who Batman is. Uh Batman does have a superpower: He's incredibly rich. Batman is a terrible example for powerless hero's cause his situation offers him way more advantages than most heroes have. He's more privileged than Superman. Also the argument of this thread, pardon my rudeness is moronic. |
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Slimcoder said: Renkini said: I agree with OP. The whole setting is f*cked up. The author is literally saying you can't become a superhero if you don't have superpowers. Looks like he doesn't know who Batman is. Uh Batman does have a superpower: He's incredibly rich. Batman is a terrible example for powerless hero's cause his situation offers him way more advantages than most heroes have. He's more privileged than Superman. Also the argument of this thread, pardon my rudeness is moronic. Then Iron Man. . . . . . . . . . JK. Sry, I don't know very much about western superheroes so Batman is the only example I can think of who's a powerless hero. But it's true that I don't like the setup of BnHA, like the OP. |
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| Are you fucking kidding me?!?!!?? Naruto - Chosen One, Reincarnated son of God, Strongest Tailed Beast Sealed inside him, Son of Fourth Hokage and an Uzumaki which are descended from the Senju which are descended from the son of a God. Luffy - Chosen One, D., son of the leader of the revolutionary, grandson of Garp, heavily implied to be the reincarnation of last Pirate King. Gon - Son of the most famous and possibly strongest Hunter in the world. Descendent of another prominent character. Goku - Saiyan which is the biggest duex ex machina in all of shounen. Ichigo - Father is a Shinigami, Mother is a Quincy with Hollow blood. Natsu - Son of Dragon King, literal demon, younger brother of strongest mage in Fairy Tail. Tsunayoshi - Decendent of 1st Vongola boss. How are these MCs not about winning the genetic lottery????? Yeah, MHA has the worst shounen set up..... Funnily enough, Midoriya EARNED his power rather than acquired it through blood heritage. Why do critics stuff their own heads up their asses when it comes it this anime?! |
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Maityoman said: juicykitten95 said: how ? his quirk is OP ofc he worked super hard to bring it to its full potential and its risky AF , BUT not every quirk has great potential some guy has a quirk to pull out his eyeballs , now how can he be a hero ? If you read the manga then you'd know his quirk ins't "OP". No quirk is just "OP" it all comes with training. Imagine a sense of freefall where all light and matter passes through you. You have no sense of where you're going but you do it anyway. That is Mirio's quirk, it's not "OP", he just knows how to make use of it. how can you make use of a quirk that lets you pull out your eyeballs ? the point of this thread is that its universe is not fair which is true,it does not make the show bad tho thats just reality mirios case does not debunk that. I get that he worked super hard to turn his quirk useful ( i think its a bit bullish how his body is so tough despite that his muscles are simply human, for example bakugo got smashed into a building by allmight and did not die but i guess in shonen manga everyone gets a hidden endurance passive so fights can be flashy) again in the first ap some kid showed that his quirk is to pull his eyes out like a cartoon character , lets see mirio work hard to make that useful. Im not bashing mirio but some quirks are useless plain and simple. |
| Remember, guys: "All men are not created equal. This was the reality I learned about society at the young age of four." - Deku |
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NightKing said: but thats exactly the point.TJHooker said: I love that about the series. The real world isn't fair, why would this world be fair? Well because for the same amount of work not every character get the same amount of results.When i watch these training scenes i somewhat feel a lot of these characters are wasting time lulz, like its all useless, no matter how hard they train if some op villan comes they wont beat him unless they have someone with good quirk. They wont have the chance to make a difference really, they didnt have the same chance from the start. And even if real world is unfair we people all have same physicall limitations, i mean u can kill anyone with the gun, break someones neck and they will die. There is no really that fundamental difference on our genetic level. While in the series genetics determine pretty much everything, someone with weak quirk cant defeat all might no matter what. And he reall isnt strongest because of his achievment but because of qurirk first. SO i feel there are bigger diferences in anime then in real world. Genetic part just have so much weight, really a crucial role, that is the most important thing actually. So i get the impression many of this characters are usless actually in the long run, sure they will find something to do for everyone but they dont really do anything important, everything would be the same without them, they are there just to fill space with they weak quirks and to show variety but there is not much they can do, they are limited from the start and its not thier fault actually, quirk limits their development. you[yes you op] are probably never going to amount to shit in the grand scale of things, so why not just kill yourself? why bother living? working? trying for anything? but you will, try, earn a living maybe? live till you actually die. there is only one winner in any given competition. trash still competes, only to be eliminated in the 1st round. but they still bother to compete, thats how the world works. if deku didnt luck out, he would be trash and his life would probably be over by ep 3. a somewhat sad funny story about a normie in a superhero world. [literally wrote a marvel fanfic like this] but he lucks out bcz he is the MC. |
| Yeah, I disagree with OP too. Your arguments so far gives me a few choices of impressions about you: 1) You don't like most battle shonens. In which case, I'm not sure why you consider this the worst 2) You don't realise the premise you're criticising is present in almost all battle shonens, including the ones you claim to like. 3) You're just shooting down arguments by addressing minor flaws in others' arguments. Almost all battle shonen MCs have a special ability or trait that the masses don't. They then either have to grow that ability or learn to control it. Up till the end of Season 2, Deku was still regularly KO-ing himself to use his quirk. That is not called op, that is called suicidal. That is the same as Naruto activating Nine Tails before he reached an understanding with it, except Deku becomes a sitting duck after using it. Ever broke a bone before? I haven't either, but I've dislocated my ankle once and my knee once. They were extremely painful, even after reduction and casting, and both no longer feel normal even though it's been years. Deku is lucky to have a healer with him, or he'd be spending at least 2 months to recuperate each time he sustains those injuries. One For All is the ability to stack power, meaning that you take the last guy's strength and add it to yours. If you don't have the physical body to endure it, then you're a glass cannon. And I'm sure you've played a few games and hated glass cannon characters (ie. units who hurt themselves to attack, or units who have high ATK but low DEF). He overcame his genetics by being gifted a quirk, yes. But it is by sheer hard work that he is slowly able to utilise that power. It will be many more years before he can reach maximum One For All; he would need to build himself into All Might's body, perhaps more. Regular gym training is no easy feat. Conclusion: This is still a series showing shonen MC working hard to achieve his dreams. As for Deku having the strongest power, absolutely not. Todoroki can permafreeze or melt Deku, Bakugo can blow Deku to smithereens, Uraraka can float Deku into space and have him suffocate, Iida can endlessly hit-and-run Deku like how Thief classes solo dungeon bosses, Yaoyorozu has lots of possible ways to beat Deku with her Creation powers, Invisible Girl can sneak poison into Deku's food or pierce his heart with a weapon, Shigaraki can make Deku rot away just by touching him, etc. etc. Yes, the Quirkless and benign quirks do not stand a chance directly against Deku's, but they don't have to engage him in combat. They can use their own abilities to, say, start a successful business and hire assassins to snipe Deku. They can analyse Aizawa-sensei's ability to negate quirks and artificially produce that as a weapon against Deku, etc. If you stretch your imagination, there are a whole lot of ways that 'anyone can do anything'. Whether it's practical, feasible, or cost-efficient depends on your options, resources and luck. And that's how real life works. Edit: Many other battle shonens only revealed the secret to MC's uniqueness later in the series, which still counts as MC being better off than other from the start. |
CrossburnMay 16, 2018 8:13 AM
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| Dude you described why every other shounen that has a breakable power ceiling is shit. Why would you want a system where there is unlimitless bounds to getting "strong". The whole point is finding new innovative ways to work with your quirk and beat out people who are lucky. And the world isn't fair. The entire quirk structure and how 80/20 of the population has a quirk can be an allegory about any disparage you want it to be; even if you're born under lucky or unlucky circumstances there are always pro/con to that asset. IT'S ALL INTEGRAL TO THE NARRATIVE. And yes Deku is lucky but he has to work harder then everyone else at it to and bust his ass, still breaks his limbs to the point that it'll be deadly or unusable. Deku doesn't get a "chosen one" status where he gets shit handed to him. Go back to Dragon Ball where exploding the universe for the 9th time isn't enough. |
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Username23489023 said: Name one shounen where the main character didn’t inherit their power. Gon’s father is like the best hunter. Ed and Al’s father is the most powerful alchemist dude. Naruto’s father was the best ninja. Goku and Vegeta are the last of the saiyans. Yusuke inherited his power from his whatever grandfather. Dude from AoT’s father literally gave him his power. D. Gray-Man Magi Rurouni Kenshin Hunter x Hunter |
DepravedMagi said: Username23489023 said: Name one shounen where the main character didn’t inherit their power. Gon’s father is like the best hunter. Ed and Al’s father is the most powerful alchemist dude. Naruto’s father was the best ninja. Goku and Vegeta are the last of the saiyans. Yusuke inherited his power from his whatever grandfather. Dude from AoT’s father literally gave him his power. D. Gray-Man Magi Rurouni Kenshin Hunter x Hunter Havent seen D Grayman, or at least dont remember Magi, Aladdin gets his power from his father, king solomon. Kenshin, sure, hiko isn't his real father, but still a father figure that named him and taught him his style. HxH, Gon is the son of Ging, His father made a game to train him and set him up to be a hunter behind the scenes. Have to assume there is something with that family on the genetic level too considering his strength before even learning about nen. |
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Username23489023 said: Havent seen D Grayman, or at least dont remember Magi, Aladdin gets his power from his father, king solomon. Kenshin, sure, hiko isn't his real father, but still a father figure that named him and taught him his style. HxH, Gon is the son of Ging, His father made a game to train him and set him up to be a hunter behind the scenes. Have to assume there is something with that family on the genetic level too considering his strength before even learning about nen. There’s also Katekyo Hitman Reborn and Gintama |
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