High School DxD (light novel)
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Apr 15, 2018 1:10 PM
#301
Darklight0303 said: blueswizzle said: Anime_Dog said: blueswizzle said: Anime_Dog said: blueswizzle said: Anime_Dog said: animeflyer said: Anime_Dog said: Hamudanu said: wait episode discussion disappear? hmm, so most ppl prefer "Keep Old Artwork but with bullshit adapted story plus Make Author and LN Reader Angry" more than "Make Artwork and Story Close Enough to LN even with Low Budget Studio"? I can only speak for myself, and my opinion is more like: This is an adaptation. 'Closer to the source material' is not always the best route to take. I can think of numerous examples, but i'll just go with Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, based on the book by Stephen King. Widely regarded as one of the greatest horror movies of all time, loved by both critics and audiences. King was extremely unhappy with Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of the novel. Years later he wrote the teleplay for a mini-series based on the same book and brought back a lot of the things that Kubrick ejected. The mini-series turned out terrible. An author does not necessarily know what is best for an adaptation. It is a different medium. In my eyes, the new art style for HS DXD does not only look ugly compared to the old, it looks ugly compared to most other anime. Regardless if the new style is closer to the LN style, do you actually think that the new style is an improvement, and why? I'm confused here, you use adapting the shining's story as an example then end with focusing on dxd's art style when story, art and animation are different matters. From what i've been seeing the focus of the hate is strictly on the art style making the characters look younger. When I saw the animation in the PVs and episode 0 they don't look that bad at all. Plus are we really gonna ignore the perspective of the target audience in Japan because from the looks of it they were getting inceasingly annoyed since season 2 saying that the art looked dated and the animation was getting inceasingly worse overtime leading to more obvious messes in season 3, then you have the director taking liberties that pretty much hurt the flow of the story. With that kind of information about HOW can what we got in season 3 be the better option. I'll see if i can ease your confusion a bit. The issue in my post was adaptation. The main argument defending the new art style (and what appears to be the new story choices) seems to be that anything "closer to the source material" is by default better, regardless if it concerns story or art. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Hence, i drew parallells to The Shining where King wanted Kubrick to have stayed closer to the book. Personally, i don't see much of a change in the percieved age of the characters. For me it has much more to do with lack of details, lighting and contrast. The mood is so different. It's so much brighter and softer and the characters look weird and derpy. Yes, i am going to ignore the japanese audience. Just like i ignore Potter-heads who whine about the film versions of their favorite books. This is my taste we're talking about, and i had no problems with season 3. Never knew about the behind-the-scenes troubles of the production. I don't read light novels. And i really liked the old art style. I am terribly sorry, english is not my first language, and i don't understand your last sentence. I'd rather not guess what you mean, and risk putting words in your mouth. Just wait for the big fight that will happen in the second half the season. With the art style change, it will make the fight animations looks bad ass. Season's 3 animation was trash, looked like filler animation most of the time. It's still too early but once the 4th season is completed, compare the fight scenes from HERO to any of the other seasons. I'm just laughing inside whenever I see people complain about the change or whatever. I'm really looking forward to the big fight that will happen this season just so I can see the people that were complaining be blown away. Another thing lots of people seem to forget is that this episode is episode 0 and it was a retcon/recap. Of course this episode was going to have some faulty scenes here and there and be rushed, it won't make sense for animators to put in lots of time, money, and effort into this one little episode. they still have an entire season to cover. I think that we can't fairly judge what the new studio has done with the animation/ art style change just yet. They still haven't gotten serious yet lol. The battle scenes are the boring parts =) Maybe for you, but I’m starting to care more about the actual story instead of echii scenes now. I understand that’s what makes DxD popular but meh. Boobs are boobs. The once scene we got with Rias and issei in Episode 0 of HERO looked good enough for me. Honestly, this series is starting to become more action oriented with volumes 9 and 10, and if they go for a season 5 the echii starts to get dialed down just a little. By this point, I care more about the animation, especially after Born, than I do for the way the boobs look. I’m fine with the way the characters look, beside I never cared for Asia in the first place. Rias and Akeno looks great. I'm mostly into HS DXD for the comedy, the character interactions and because it's a fun concept. I love the over-the-top sillines of smashing tohether all the world's religions and mythology and that the main protagonist's power is fuelled by his libido. It's trashy fun, with a surprisingly lot of heart. I don't really mind the ecchi, but it would probably have been an even better show if there was a bit less of it. Same. I loved the over the top retarded stuff the main character does to power up, it’s hilarious. I don’t mind the level of echii the show has right now. It’s what got me into the anime and the light novel in the first place. But I wouldn’t mind if the show had more dramatic and serious moments from time to time. Well there's plenty of more serious stuff in later volumes from here on out I know. I can’t wait to see it all animated. So hype for it. |
Apr 15, 2018 2:11 PM
#302
Seen the previous 3 seasons, but not watching this new one I'm afraid. The art-style is too much like anime meant for the kid's range. |
Apr 15, 2018 5:22 PM
#303
Chickenpotatoes said: Seen the previous 3 seasons, but not watching this new one I'm afraid. The art-style is too much like anime meant for the kid's range. LOL completely your loss. Though I am betting you'll show up in later threads anyway. Seen this kind of thing happen too many times in the past. |
Apr 15, 2018 7:27 PM
#304
I saw the previews and seriously Yes the artwork is different but why the dislike? Maybe only Asia looks different but still come one. A good way to see the art is like this: With the new art there is more to change the character if more seasons are ever made to show character growing like the light novel. But for me i do not care about the art. As long as Passionate or any studio adapts volumes 11 and 12 i will be happy as a fan and DxD supporter. |
Apr 15, 2018 8:54 PM
#305
You can clearly see the difference and tell which art style has change for the better. |
Apr 15, 2018 9:17 PM
#306
I still find DxD awesome And for more seasons in 2019 and 2020 |
Apr 16, 2018 9:39 PM
#307
watched the ep 00, it was hilarious but awesome! oppai harem king is back! liked the new art-style! |
Apr 16, 2018 10:07 PM
#308
matias067 said: watched the ep 00, it was hilarious but awesome! oppai harem king is back! liked the new art-style! Me too One of best battle is about to take place Hope to get as fan many more seasons in 2019 or 2020 |
Apr 16, 2018 10:37 PM
#309
New version of characters' hair is more smooth and soft. |
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Apr 17, 2018 9:31 AM
#310
Sort of prefer the old art style but perhaps it is because I'm used to the old art style. Need more episodes to see if I acclimate well. |
Apr 17, 2018 10:44 AM
#311
looks like they just switched the studios XD ghoul got better and dxd goes downhill ..... |
Apr 17, 2018 11:15 AM
#312
new art style is fu*** garbage. Miss my old Rias and Akeno 😭😭 |
Apr 17, 2018 2:15 PM
#313
MaxxV said: new art style is fu*** garbage. Miss my old Rias and Akeno 😭😭 Agreee... Rias Asia Koneko its look Like Weird T_T also at action scene Better Prev Studio >.> |
GhieeApr 18, 2018 11:04 AM
Apr 17, 2018 2:26 PM
#314
Ghiee said: MaxxV said: new art style is fu*** garbage. Miss my old Rias and Akeno 😭😭 Agreee... Rias Asia Koneko its look Like Weird T_T also at action scene Better is Not good from Prev Studio >.> Better is not good? What? You're making zero sense |
Apr 17, 2018 4:26 PM
#315
Chickenpotatoes said: Seen the previous 3 seasons, but not watching this new one I'm afraid. The art-style is too much like anime meant for the kid's range. It looks more like the LNs, TNK took liberties when producing the last seasons with both the story and the art style. |
Apr 17, 2018 7:12 PM
#316
I am happy with anything DxD If volumes 9 and 10 are animated properly this season 4 will be great Lets hope for a season 5 DxD forever |
Apr 17, 2018 7:39 PM
#317
One advantage of anime over live-action is that even if years go by between seasons, the actors can return looking just like when you last saw them. Yet here we have a complete cast change for no reason. If the characters weren't calling each-other by name constantly, I wouldn't even be able to identify them. I will probably keep watching, but this is going to hamper my enjoyment considerably. |
Apr 17, 2018 8:47 PM
#318
New art is so much better. More aligned with ToLove Ru style. I used to complain about the design now I am happy : D |
Apr 17, 2018 9:55 PM
#319
Hero will still be good Let see how the blur ray go to get season 5 Can t wait to watch Hero in HD quality |
GoldenCrimson20Apr 17, 2018 10:00 PM
Apr 17, 2018 10:06 PM
#320
I love old art style.is there any chance of change art style to old |
Apr 18, 2018 12:53 AM
#321
ravihans said: I love old art style.is there any chance of change art style to old ZEro to nil. That style stays with TNK |
Apr 18, 2018 1:00 AM
#322
Darklight0303 said: ravihans said: I love old art style.is there any chance of change art style to old ZEro to nil. That style stays with TNK Lets just enjoy these few months of Hero and hope that Passionate is inspired to get more DXD seasons Whatever the art DxD is still awesome DxD forever |
Apr 18, 2018 9:01 AM
#323
Ghiee said: MaxxV said: new art style is fu*** garbage. Miss my old Rias and Akeno 😭😭 Agreee... Rias Asia Koneko its look Like Weird T_T also at action scene Better is Not good from Prev Studio >.> sadly yeah... T_T |
Apr 18, 2018 9:32 AM
#324
kanyalmohit said: Yes the new art seems to be taken from LNs, but I still liked old art from season 1 to 3. The fight scene looked great, but the ecchi scene looked worse to me (mainly Rias & Akeno's art). I see people saying all they care about is anime to remain faithful to LN story and don't care about art, well then why even watch the anime? Just read the LNs or re-read them in case u have already finished because no matter what, anime can't do 100% justice to LN story (even season 1 & 2 left some bits). That last bit was such a horrible point...and weak for that matter..."Why even watch the anime? Just read the LNs"? Well maybe because some of us dont WANT to read it? Some of us may want to be working on something Whilst watching an anime, Cant do that with a LN...Yeah Anime Cant and WONT be 100% accurate lol Take season 3 for example...apparently that was a mess according to the fans of the franchise... I for one however welcome the new Art style, Why you may ask? because i dont care what it looks like so long as its animated lol I want to be able to sit down with Everyone not just sit there quietly reading something and falling asleep halfway through it. I'll be honest here, and this OPINION will be a very unpopular one, no doubt, But I'ma be real pissed off if all this backlash for the art style makes the studio give up one season in and we're stuck getting nothing more then the 4 season we got lol Why cant we just watch it and enjoy it? |
Apr 18, 2018 9:37 AM
#325
DrakeHur said: kanyalmohit said: Yes the new art seems to be taken from LNs, but I still liked old art from season 1 to 3. The fight scene looked great, but the ecchi scene looked worse to me (mainly Rias & Akeno's art). I see people saying all they care about is anime to remain faithful to LN story and don't care about art, well then why even watch the anime? Just read the LNs or re-read them in case u have already finished because no matter what, anime can't do 100% justice to LN story (even season 1 & 2 left some bits). That last bit was such a horrible point...and weak for that matter..."Why even watch the anime? Just read the LNs"? Well maybe because some of us dont WANT to read it? Some of us may want to be working on something Whilst watching an anime, Cant do that with a LN...Yeah Anime Cant and WONT be 100% accurate lol Take season 3 for example...apparently that was a mess according to the fans of the franchise... I for one however welcome the new Art style, Why you may ask? because i dont care what it looks like so long as its animated lol I want to be able to sit down with Everyone not just sit there quietly reading something and falling asleep halfway through it. I'll be honest here, and this OPINION will be a very unpopular one, no doubt, But I'ma be real pissed off if all this backlash for the art style makes the studio give up one season in and we're stuck getting nothing more then the 4 season we got lol Why cant we just watch it and enjoy it? Don't worry. THe backlash is only in the west and it's already starting to die down if you compare episode 0 to the latest. A lot more positive reactions were posted. |
Apr 18, 2018 10:04 AM
#326
Darklight0303 said: DrakeHur said: kanyalmohit said: Yes the new art seems to be taken from LNs, but I still liked old art from season 1 to 3. The fight scene looked great, but the ecchi scene looked worse to me (mainly Rias & Akeno's art). I see people saying all they care about is anime to remain faithful to LN story and don't care about art, well then why even watch the anime? Just read the LNs or re-read them in case u have already finished because no matter what, anime can't do 100% justice to LN story (even season 1 & 2 left some bits). That last bit was such a horrible point...and weak for that matter..."Why even watch the anime? Just read the LNs"? Well maybe because some of us dont WANT to read it? Some of us may want to be working on something Whilst watching an anime, Cant do that with a LN...Yeah Anime Cant and WONT be 100% accurate lol Take season 3 for example...apparently that was a mess according to the fans of the franchise... I for one however welcome the new Art style, Why you may ask? because i dont care what it looks like so long as its animated lol I want to be able to sit down with Everyone not just sit there quietly reading something and falling asleep halfway through it. I'll be honest here, and this OPINION will be a very unpopular one, no doubt, But I'ma be real pissed off if all this backlash for the art style makes the studio give up one season in and we're stuck getting nothing more then the 4 season we got lol Why cant we just watch it and enjoy it? Don't worry. THe backlash is only in the west and it's already starting to die down if you compare episode 0 to the latest. A lot more positive reactions were posted. Yea. After episode 1 came out, the backlash started to simmer down. I saw a handful of people say that they now like the new style after seeing episode 1. This also proves the point that episode 0 wasn't being worked on as seriously as the rest of the series. The studio most likely just quickly blitz through episode 0 just so they could get it out for the anime-only viewers. Why would they spend lots of time and money on something like that? This also explains why there wasn't the same level of detailed on certain characters and backgrounds on episode 0 compared to 1. If the rest of the season looks like episode 1, it's gonna be amazing. |
Apr 18, 2018 11:03 AM
#327
Darklight0303 said: Ghiee said: MaxxV said: new art style is fu*** garbage. Miss my old Rias and Akeno 😭😭 Agreee... Rias Asia Koneko its look Like Weird T_T also at action scene Better from Prev Studio >.> Better is not good? What? You're making zero sense Check this one Rias Gremory style almost same as Tamaki ako from netoge No Yome |
Apr 18, 2018 11:04 AM
#328
I do really like the old art style most. The new one is like too much simple comparing both talking about details. |
Apr 18, 2018 11:07 AM
#329
ThePromidius said: I do really like the old art style most. The new one is like too much simple comparing both talking about details. same i will choose TNK style/grafic Studio than now xD |
Apr 18, 2018 11:16 AM
#330
Ghiee said: ThePromidius said: I do really like the old art style most. The new one is like too much simple comparing both talking about details. same i will choose TNK style/grafic Studio than now xD You will choose? You think they're going to change it back just cause you don't like it? |
Apr 18, 2018 11:37 AM
#331
Darklight0303 said: Ghiee said: ThePromidius said: I do really like the old art style most. The new one is like too much simple comparing both talking about details. same i will choose TNK style/grafic Studio than now xD You will choose? You think they're going to change it back just cause you don't like it? No, dont think their going to change back just giving my opinion |
Apr 18, 2018 11:57 AM
#332
Darklight0303 said: Ghiee said: ThePromidius said: I do really like the old art style most. The new one is like too much simple comparing both talking about details. same i will choose TNK style/grafic Studio than now xD You will choose? You think they're going to change it back just cause you don't like it? Well If S 1 - S3 and new season i will Choose Old Studio TNK,idk the new Art style and grafic iam not like it :D that's my opinion and also they wont change it if only 1 Fans say it. |
Apr 18, 2018 12:06 PM
#333
Personally I prefer the old art style, the new style kinda changes the personality 3 seasons has set in the characters (especially Rias I feel) but I think I can get used to it eventually, just depends on how this season plays out |
Apr 18, 2018 12:09 PM
#334
I like both art styles. But i like the new one more. |
Apr 18, 2018 1:07 PM
#335
Darklight0303 said: You will choose? You think they're going to change it back just cause you don't like it? And you think being a passive aggressive asshole towards others will somehow change their personal opinion? |
Apr 18, 2018 2:03 PM
#337
New art is completely trash for this series. The biggest disappointment is Akeno and Roswiesse look terrible (cute) now and not as sexy. The show could barely be taken seriously with it's old (better) art, so now that it has new 'cute' art, I am at a loss for words here. Also, Gasper looks even queerer than before. |
Yuki_NonakaApr 18, 2018 2:10 PM
Apr 18, 2018 2:26 PM
#338
new art style is shit |
Apr 18, 2018 7:10 PM
#339
Lets just enjoy these few months of Hero and hope that Passionate is inspired to get more DXD seasons Whatever the art DxD is still awesome DxD forever |
Apr 19, 2018 12:18 PM
#340
ToBe2050goal said: Lets just enjoy these few months of Hero and hope that Passionate is inspired to get more DXD seasons Whatever the art DxD is still awesome DxD forever Now Rating for new season is Down, T_T not same as before. iam Very Like DxD ofc iam like to make Guild or group in My Online Game LOL |
Apr 19, 2018 12:20 PM
#341
Yuki_Nonaka said: New art is completely trash for this series. The biggest disappointment is Akeno and Roswiesse look terrible (cute) now and not as sexy. The show could barely be taken seriously with it's old (better) art, so now that it has new 'cute' art, I am at a loss for words here. Also, Gasper looks even queerer than before. Also RIAS SENPAI Koneko and ASIA CHAN T_T if Cute and Sexy or Hot i will choose Last 3 season Art ^_^ |
Apr 19, 2018 3:48 PM
#342
Teisen1991 said: looks like they just switched the studios XD ghoul got better and dxd goes downhill ..... If it was really worse, why the animation is now much more fluid? Also, how do you judge as better something that is not faithful to the original product (the LN)? |
Apr 19, 2018 8:18 PM
#343
Ghiee said: ToBe2050goal said: Lets just enjoy these few months of Hero and hope that Passionate is inspired to get more DXD seasons Whatever the art DxD is still awesome DxD forever Now Rating for new season is Down, T_T not same as before. iam Very Like DxD ofc iam like to make Guild or group in My Online Game LOL Is this statement true? I read in other forums that the pre-screen was a huge success I just hope 1 more season is adapted to get volumes 11 and 12 |
Apr 21, 2018 2:49 AM
#344
Yes, you totally can clearly see the difference and tell which art style has changed for the better |
Apr 21, 2018 4:28 AM
#345
Riverlia said: Yes, you totally can clearly see the difference and tell which art style has changed for the better Well I agree with you that new artwork is better as it provides higher quality of jiggle physics which tbh DxD is all about. But this kind of artwork make the action scenes suffer. |
Apr 21, 2018 5:10 AM
#346
EYeager said: Riverlia said: Yes, you totally can clearly see the difference and tell which art style has changed for the better Well I agree with you that new artwork is better as it provides higher quality of jiggle physics which tbh DxD is all about. But this kind of artwork make the action scenes suffer. DxD Hero's capability in term of action scene has already been proven in episode 1, with Issei vs Sairaorg. Whole body movement of the armor, clearly animated combat, fluid movement. So whether the artwork made it harder or not, the studio proved they can handle it. Though to begin with, a rounder, less angular design should make animating action scene easier, not harder. TNK on the other hand was overly relied on semi-still (almost fixed pose minimal movement) then use cut away to mimic motion (ie animate Issei cocking his hand, black screen, Issei already hit). Sometime they use close in to avoid large whole body motion, and at other time use a much less detailed armor if they couldn't get away with it. It make for good screenshots because they made the semi-still armors as shiny as possible to compensate/distract viewer, but not that great at conveying the fight in motion. Put the design drawn by the designers next to each other, it's true that old style has somewhat more details and looks more mature due to more angular shape (aesthetically better or not is subjective and case by case for each character, so no comment). However, when being animated, the one drawing the scene isn't the designer, but animation staff. A complicated design will still be simplified if they lack time and money, or if they simply just can't replicate the designer's skill. A more angular design also make it harder/more time consuming to draw multiple continuous frames for an action without something sticking out at the wrong place. Rounder = less likely for fuck up and easier to fix. That, and I guess Passione animation staff is just better than the one TNK had on DxD duty. They really mistreated one of their best cash source. |
RiverliaApr 21, 2018 5:35 AM
Apr 21, 2018 1:19 PM
#347
I prefer the old art. There's much more contrast and detailed shading, and the characters looked more refined. The new art is much lighter and softer and doesn't pop out as much. However, the new art isn't a dealbreaker and I can get used to it. Just continue to deliver on the story and nudity and I'll be fine. |
Apr 21, 2018 6:35 PM
#348
after seeing the new episodes i got to say i dislike the new art style, it makes rias head look too egg shape, and I know everyone quick to defend it by saying it closer to the art style of the vn, and in my opinion as someone who read the novels , this new art style doesnt come close to it, it may have the softer tone, but it went too overboard with it, it made me feel like im watching a moe blob comedy anime, which dxd isnt really , yes it has moment like that but it also has a darker tone to it as well, so when those darker tones comes it feel like a meh moment cause the softer tone takes away from it. idk this became a series where i would all the episodes when they come to a series where i m gonna watch probly till a whole yr or till i finish my list of anime to watch . |
Apr 21, 2018 9:30 PM
#349
SoraShiroBlank said: after seeing the new episodes i got to say i dislike the new art style, it makes rias head look too egg shape, and I know everyone quick to defend it by saying it closer to the art style of the vn, and in my opinion as someone who read the novels , this new art style doesnt come close to it, it may have the softer tone, but it went too overboard with it, it made me feel like im watching a moe blob comedy anime, which dxd isnt really , yes it has moment like that but it also has a darker tone to it as well, so when those darker tones comes it feel like a meh moment cause the softer tone takes away from it. idk this became a series where i would all the episodes when they come to a series where i m gonna watch probly till a whole yr or till i finish my list of anime to watch . Moe design or not (and it's very debatable if Hero design qualify as moe) doesn't affect dark or sad moment. That is up to the director execution, not the design. For example, in the Visual Novel scene, Key is known for moe as fuck design and tear jerking as hell stories. Similarly no one can look at Planetarian and say it's not cutesie, but it's undeniably a tragedy piece. There is a reason the cute kid dying is such a classic tragedy plot. |
Apr 21, 2018 10:08 PM
#350
lets just support the anime to get more seasons in 2019 or 2020 DxD forever |
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