| I can't really say any Dere has a mental disorder considering characters of each archetype will have different various levels of their Dere and background explaining their Dere |
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NihilisticLoner said: All 5 tsunderes in my fav section have a background story explaining their tsun behaviour so perhaps you should look harder LonerDeknijff said: Really? Because I find no proper background information explaining why 99.9% of all the tsunders I've seen show more severe signs of autism, than actual autistic people, I have met in person, or have researched about.I can't really say any Dere has a mental disorder considering characters of each archetype will have different various levels of their Dere and background explaining their Dere |
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| You should educate yourself on the topic of Autism, before making statements like this. Seriously. |
TheBigGuyJan 19, 2018 12:19 AM
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
| I disagree with you on autism. Tsunderes are just, if you compare them to real people, normal. If we're talking about Yandere, then they're sociopaths irl. and there's Chuunibyou it's not a mental disorder and not a common archetype but they exist irl (I'm talking about kids without proper guidance from their parents). |
NihilisticLoner said: @LalatinaDarkness Would you please explain to me how tsunderes are just like, "normal people"? Because I don't see normal people constantly overreacting, screaming, resorting to violence, or blushing as furiously around their romantic interests. That's the different thing about an anime. The expressions, actions, tone of voice etc are always exaggerated. You can't expect a tsundere who abuses their love interests for a purpose of slapstick humour to work irl. But I can tell you I had a middle school classmate who acted like that. Whenever her crush was around she's the most hysterical person, like punching me in the back, slapping me with her notebooks, and diff kinds of hysteric reactions like there's no tomorrow I or her friends received. That's already a violent action. She couldn't even confess to him and was always denying her feelings. And some of my classmates in high school too, but they're less violent. I'd say she's either an attention-seeker or stupid. But probably they're not autistic since their IQ is average and above, they're sociable. I've known some of them as achievers too. |
| Then you apparently used the wrong sources. Point 2 may apply to some Autists, but not all of them. There are many different manifestations of Autism. It's not a clear sign of Autism. Point 3 is just plain wrong. Among Autists, you will not find more violent persons as in any other group of people. In fact, they tend to be less violent than a "normal" person, since violence is paralleled by strong emotions. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
| "What part of screaming over minor things like being complimented, odd sentences like, "I-it's not like I like you or anything!", physcially assaulting people for those minor reasons (like being complimented), is NOT at least a sign of a mental disorder, or a history of being abused?" Are you talking about Autists or Tsunderes now? Since Autists don't do such things. "one in four children" "with low intelligence quotients" Like I said, there are violent persons among Autists, as it is the case with any other group of people, but violent behaviour itself isn't a sign of Autism. Also, Autists with average or above average intelligence are not more prone to violence than any other person. |
TheBigGuyJan 19, 2018 1:42 AM
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
Sorry dude but violence isn't always autism https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/abcs-child-psychiatry/201705/the-link-between-autism-and-violence-isn-t-autism |
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| God, you seriously are dense. I wasn't talking about tsunderes in the first place, but about your misconceptions about Autism. If tsunderes were real persons, they could have or couldn't have mental disorders. I don't know and I don't care. When I said, "Autists don't do that", I was referring to the typical tsundere behaviour, that you mentioned. When someone says "I like you", they don't react with "It's not like I like you or anything!" or are assaulting that person. That much is common sense. And I engaged, what you said. You're creating a correlation, where no such thing exists. If you pick a random group of people and one person of said group is violent, would you come to the conclusion, that it is a feature of all members of said group? Probably not. I'll say it again, if an autistic person is prone to violence, there are other factors involved, that are not associated with Autism. For example low intelligence, like you said yourself. "the core features of autism are areas in which difficulties can lead to feelings of frustration, confusion, anxiety or lack of control, resulting in behavioral responses" The important word is can, it doesn't necessarily have to. All that I said was, that violence alone is not a sign of Autism. Either way, I'm out of here. |
TheBigGuyJan 19, 2018 3:16 AM
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
| Damn mal armchair psychologists debate about autism, this is sure to be an enlightening discussion. |
| I saw a fantastic listing on this last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kNQu3zPic It covers a wide range of different disorders, and gives the Top 25 anime to watch with characters. |
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| >example >tsundere >whatever it is >hate tsundere >can't accept that waifu lose >create threads that justifies why tsunderes are shit >still hates tsundere >fuck this character should die because tsundere > -1000/10 anime because tsundere @tragedydesu will certainly agree with you... Wholeheartedly! Anyway, I dunno but I think anime archetypes isn't a mental disorder unless mangaka/author implicitly implied/showed that it is related to the archetype. |
| More like what mental disorder do those who are creating them have. Jesus holy, just look at the light novels. |
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NihilisticLoner said: @MelanieYin-Chan Hmm...interesting. I read your first source, saw a little of the other two. I'm a little confused, because the original source I listed, said that psychopaths and sociopaths are the same thing, but you've provided 3, so I'll agree with you. Yanderes definitely do show signs of psychopathic tendencies: -Controlling -Cunning -Manipulative Tthey also show signs of BOTH sociopaths and psychopaths: -Lack of concern for others -Little regards to rules and social values -Lack of guilt when doing something wrong However, the tier-breaker, is that yanderes DO form emotional attachments, at least with their love interests, even going as far as to cry for them. So I'd say yanderes are sociopaths, with a few traits from psychopaths. After reading the Psychopath Test, I think Hare's idea of a list is a little too simple, in determining whether somebody is a psychopath or not. @_Ako_ If the reason why I made this thread was to shit on tsunderes, why does my OP not have paragraphs of text, to trigger people, or even a rant? Why didn't I name the thread something like, "tsunderes suck"? I think you're just looking for tiny blind spots. Anyway, I dunno but I think anime archetypes isn't a mental disorder unless mangaka/author implicitly implied/showed that it is related to the archetype. That was just parodies of how tsundere threads are created https://myanimelist.net/forum/search?q=Tsundere&u=&uloc=2&loc=1 Not all are hate threads but comments/replies might be... I haven't looked into it so feel free to do so if you want |
| There have been very few characters that I, who is autistic herself, have thought are autistic. Haruhi Suzumiya is the first "type" of autistic. As in, lacks social boundaries, doesn't talk to anyone unless for her special interest. Doesn't seem to notice when she is rude or doing something out of the norm. Would be the "proud of being autistic" type. Possibly ADHD comorbid to be honest. Shinji Ikari. Struggles to talk. Has a special interest in music. Has no interest in doing anything else. Feels depressed often because he feels people hate him or don't understand him. He feels trapped, out of energy. Is good in school and polite but can become violent when pushed to. Frustration, anxiety, lack of control, immense loneliness because of failure to communicate effectively. This is what I feel. Retreating from others because you don't want to hurt them... or yourself. You feel confused as to why people don't like you.... but also suck at even trying to express this. His resting face where he is just thinking but looks sad... yeah but honestly, most people with a mental illness bad enough could see themselves in Shinji. Very similar to Shinji would be Mob from Mob Psycho 100. Someone who is violent like Asuka is more like someone with bipolar disorder or just really bad PMS. However, she is probably saphiosexual. Which a lot of autistics are also sapiosexual. and many autistics identify with Rei or Kaworu because they feel like a test subject, that people don't understand them, that they are alien. Generally they feel low emotional register. Or wish they could express how they feel on their face... or generally just... feel numb.... generally wished they weren't treated like human garbage... but also feel disposable and replaceable by others. Feeling like they hate people and either wish they weren't people or feel they are even better than actual people. There is also Hishiron in RE:Life. Who struggled with all interaction in general. wasnt violent... just really really struggled with basic human interaction. But she was funny and kinda went to her own beat. |
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