| as a preface, i would like to say that my opinion is viewed as a black and white perspective. i just wanted to some food for thought. how much do you value individuality in a scale out of 10? i think i would rate its value 10/10. without it, i think society would not progress. occupations, exploration, ideas, curiosity, expression would be equivalent to still water. i embrace the weirdos of the world. traps, trumples, weebs, feminists, u name it. humans are free bodied agents and should act as such. alas, conflict also arises with the concept of individuality. not everyone will like each other based on their own likes and values. and its also very difficult to live among that at with you dislike. see terrorist attacks. i believe one's opinion may differ due to class, culture, economic status, but i would like to hear yall out. thank you. |
daehwi said: no such thing as individuality anymore wdym ah, i see. you're saying individuality is subjective. after all, everyone is made up of everyone. everything derives from a form. yet which to that extent i argue is still some form of individuality. take ur shitty kpop persona u put online. you took a form (kpop) and put it into your own twist to it. it is no longer the pure essence, rather, you added what you thought to be "cool". |
| Individuality in 2017 ? give me a break. |
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| As long as CD doesn't go full CE, I'm all good. There's a lot of users that value their own security and whatnot over others. Not that I care though. |
| Conflict is the father of all things. Without individuality, there would be no conflict. |
| I'd say that I value it 7/10. I think that a bit of individuality is important in order to distinguish yourself from others. To know where you stand among others and to have an identity. Being distinguishable is what makes you memorable. Obviously positively memorable. Perhaps being a very curious person, ambitious or having a different style of clothing, etc. Something that stands out from the crowd a bit but not sticking out like a sore thumb. Individualism is important because it creates a discussion around different perspectives and opinions but lets not forget that adapting is also socially important. All those feminazis' you may see who seem to be over-exaggerating are those who know no boundary between where to stop with individuality. This is coming from a person who moved from a developing country (Indonesia) to Sweden. In Indonesia, I've had to consider many social factors regarding attitude, clothing and way of talking. Sticking out like a sore thumb is actually a good thing as people have the tendency of giving each other open thoughts whether its good or bad and it creates exposure in the form of fame (perhaps many people from the same school will know your name). Individuality is strongly encouraged but adapting with others is as important. Sweden is on the other hand is the polar opposite. Sticking out like a sore thumb is definitely a bad thing. You will get the "eyes" for being that different person. Individuality is a thing but too much of it and you may be shunned upon without even knowing it. This is obviously a generalization but this is from personal experience. TL:DR I'm for individualism but in a controlled and adaptive manner. It's great for a boost in self-confidence but could also harm your social interactions. Be tactical with who you express your thoughts and opinions with. There is always a time when you should be an agreeable person and when you should express your individuality. |
NadfeeDec 27, 2017 7:15 AM
p0ckyy said: daehwi said: take ur shitty kpop persona u put online. you took a form (kpop) and put it into your own twist to it. it is no longer the pure essence, rather, you added what you thought to be "cool".no such thing as individuality anymore wdym I can tell you one thing. I value kindess higher than individuality. |
| Around an 8/10 simply because the mainstream culture and media right now are encouraging conformity with trends and such (more than ever since information can be dissipated in an instant through the internet). |
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Kiyomice said: p0ckyy said: take ur shitty kpop persona u put online. you took a form (kpop) and put it into your own twist to it. it is no longer the pure essence, rather, you added what you thought to be "cool". I can tell you one thing. I value kindess higher than individuality. At least they were being honest. But then again being a dick doesn't really help either |
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| I do value diversity as I also value similarities amongst people. But for diversity to exist that means getting over the fear of being like someone else, it means coming together as much as it means standing apart. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| Individuality as opposed to what? In what context? You can value something like individuality all you like, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| It's important for a simple fact, we born all different, and we stay good when we are ourselves. For this there are all this problems in ,modern society, the people are too stressed and angry because we accept too compromises for the safety ad money |
| Individuality and tolerance are both important. Individuality encourages innovation among other things you mentioned, agreed. You're under a misconception though. Individuality isn't inherently weird. Mental illness is inherently weird. A genius possesses a strong form of individuality, but in the absence of mental illness, is not inherently weird. There's nothing wrong with people conforming to have an easy life or people not really having any unique qualities or talents. The problem lies in the groupthink mentalities and prejudices that come about from popular opinion or ignorance. In themselves, there is nothing wrong with individuality or conformity, and tolerance is important. |
| Individuality doesn't work for most people. I'm all for other people going for it, but depending on the situation I like to do what works. Of course, if it's in a random social situation I'm okay with being myself, but I'm not that different from an average person anyways honestly. So I'd say I give it a 3/10. |
| Eh. |
| Individuality is bad. Read Goethe. |
Joseph Goebbels did, and we all regret it. |
| >insert x person who did bad things but read good books >say good books are bad without establishing causal link the logic is astounding and undeniable |
| iii. I am not an individual I am a meme! |
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| Individualism is a good thing but the way it's progressing right now seems to be killing the last drop of empathy in people. People want to be unique individuals with their own subjective rights so badly they forget how important is it so have a healthy community around them. And with only individual desires the community doesn't grow healthy but the exact opposite. So I'd say 5/10. |
Eight-Man said: Remember, be an artist, not an autist. "If anything simply cannot go wrong it will anyway." ~ Murphy's 5th law |
| true individuality without unnecessary external influence gives way to amazing individuals. |
 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
| Fuck all the hypes and everyone following the hypes. People will get salty, because nobody wants to hear the truth Learn to play the game named life, because life is just that. All a simple game. Depending on your choises you make in life, you'll die like a winner or a loser. Nobody cares about morality, because everyone will break the rules to the game to get every possible advantage. That will happen while everyone just lives their lifes. NOTHING is fair in this game and it never was fair to begin with. Flip your best cards, because if you're not doing it.. You can end up losing your life.They will all black mark and blackmail YOU. Don't be an idiot and join them. Be an independent individual and don't just go with people's ideas without proper thought. Also don't enroll in their institution, it will definitely end up with them pimping you with their legal prostitution. Think about your own goals and what you want to do in life. Do you best and don't panic. Make sure your mind is clear and don't play their game named fear. Make good use of your mind, not everyone has good intentions. People will manipulate it and use it for their interests. And then they'll abuse it. Don't be a victim of their game like I was in the past. Learn their game and use it to your advantage to do the same. Don't get anxious, because it's natural for people wiith jealousy to hate you. And people will always hate you. Don't give up and retaliate Be who you are and if people hate it keep you pride. You can find more success and money on the other side And my niggas, you don't have to run and you don't have to hide |
| ~ Nas, The "OG Bulgarian"~ Formerly known as: ~ Gokuvich, The "OG Bulgarian"~  |
Yudina said: >insert x person who did bad things but read good books >say good books are bad without establishing causal link the logic is astounding and undeniable Well, he read that book with more or less the same intention as the one you expect us to have while reading it. But true, bad argument on my part. So to get to the point: On the whole, has the world suffered more from individualism than it has from collectivism? |
Thanakos said: If the world was completely collectivist, we would all be amoeba. All we'd have to do is do what everyone else had always done it. There would be no room for evolution or improvement. If the world was completely individual, we would all be extinct, either because competition is less efficient than cooperation, or because resources are scarce, or because raising offspring would be a contradiction. There is no individualist/collectivist dichotomy, and any philosophy the extols the virtues of one without the other does not pertain to the world in a real way.On the whole, has the world suffered more from individualism than it has from collectivism? |
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katsucats said: Thanakos said: If the world was completely collectivist, we would all be amoeba. All we'd have to do is do what everyone else had always done it. There would be no room for evolution or improvement. If the world was completely individual, we would all be extinct, either because competition is less efficient than cooperation, or because resources are scarce, or because raising offspring would be a contradiction. There is no individualist/collectivist dichotomy, and any philosophy the extols the virtues of one without the other does not pertain to the world in a real way.On the whole, has the world suffered more from individualism than it has from collectivism? Want to hear it from Yudina himself who outright called individuality bad in response to how much he valued it. To me though, it's a question of attitudes. We are naturally collectivist so in order to reap the benefits of both sides, we should have an individualist attitude towards life. We are always inclined to agree with the majority so in order to counterbalance that tendency, we should be mindful of the possibility that 'no' might be the correct response in any situation. |
| as the jaded hipster smurf in apocalypse zero told me " YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY MY INDIVIDUALITY AND MAKE ME A COG IN THE MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| Depends, for art forms I value individuality, especially for music. When too many bands/musicians sound the same it bores me, as for regular people and myself... I guess it's nice knowing a person has a unique aspect, makes them a bit more interesting. For media/art I would give it somewhere between an 8 or 9/10 For people 6 or 7/10 |
  Ascended Taste I only came back to this site for the forum sets and to promote my RYM list... Anilist ftw still :dab: |
| Individuality is something that just is, you can't actively seek for it. More often than not (in my experience), it's the normal people that seek individuality while the people who stand out just want to fit in (or at least not stick out terribly). |
| If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
Eight-Man said: Remember, be an artist, not an autist. #wordoftheday I really like that. I want to put it in my signature :D |
Eight-Man said: Remember, be an artist, not an autist. "If anything simply cannot go wrong it will anyway." ~ Murphy's 5th law |
| If there wasn't any individuality, then the norm of personality would be what? Doesn't even matter, because i and everyone else would only know that one and only personality and so would not care. And how exactly would the one and only individuality be decided? I can't answer that, because i don't know how the one individuality would be. Based on the individuality, it could be more positive or more negative, it comes down to the one individuality and how i would like it and agree with it. |
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Thanakos said: It's not one or the other. I think the more appropriate answer is that people value too many aspects of "individuality" that shouldn't be held to such a high degree of praise. Creative thinking, understanding the "logic" behind things, actualizing yourself via ideology/political rhetoric, etc. etc. etc.Yudina said: >insert x person who did bad things but read good books >say good books are bad without establishing causal link the logic is astounding and undeniable Well, he read that book with more or less the same intention as the one you expect us to have while reading it. But true, bad argument on my part. So to get to the point: On the whole, has the world suffered more from individualism than it has from collectivism? Collectivism has its own fair share of problems, but the West has largely ignored its positive aspects because, as history would dictate, much of its elements are associated with Cold War/Stalinist sentiments. |
Well, I fell asleep. And after waking up it took a moment to remember which year it was and why there was a hairy cat butt almost on my nose. Which reminded me of how individualistic cats really are. I can't say any other animal can compete that :D |
Eight-Man said: Remember, be an artist, not an autist. "If anything simply cannot go wrong it will anyway." ~ Murphy's 5th law |
Yudina said: Thanakos said: It's not one or the other. I think the more appropriate answer is that people value too many aspects of "individuality" that shouldn't be held to such a high degree of praise. Creative thinking, understanding the "logic" behind things, actualizing yourself via ideology/political rhetoric, etc. etc. etc.Well, he read that book with more or less the same intention as the one you expect us to have while reading it. But true, bad argument on my part. So to get to the point: On the whole, has the world suffered more from individualism than it has from collectivism? Collectivism has its own fair share of problems, but the West has largely ignored its positive aspects because, as history would dictate, much of its elements are associated with Cold War/Stalinist sentiments. Those examples you mention of bad individuality are the things I never imagined anyone would call bad, save for the last one but even that can be justified via some rhetoric. When I think of bad individuality, it's more on the lines of rebellion for the sake of rebellion (which becomes a conformism of its own), hipster stuff, antifa, etc. Before I begin my analysis, I should clarify that both these philosophies only denote an emphasis on motivations. In terms of actions, they are both equal. Individualism emphasizes freedom and dignity whereas Collectivism emphasizes order and harmony. All these values, of course, only make sense under the Golden Rule. So in any case of transgression by Individualism, one can argue that the freedom of others is not being considered and therefore the transgression is bad. Any transgression by Collectivism could be held as a violation of the harmony of other groups. In an ideal analysis, the world is just about the same if either philosophy is persistently adhered to and logically consistently acted upon. In a non-ideal analysis, the real world, no one principle completely suffices. If by Individual rebellion a desired state of affairs is obtained, such as post-French Revolution world, then people must adopt a more Collectivist outlook unless they go on a lookout for new agitations to spark a rebellion. Same could be said of a Collectivist's desires. For the present world, when governments all across the world are becoming increasingly clandestine (who knew media would betray our expectations completely) and people are increasingly lulled into slumber by the excesses of consumerism or, in worse off nations, by demagoguery and populism, I personally advocate Individualism. It's better for people today to say no and be proactive rather than go with the flow. There's hardly any nation where people are satisfied with their government, and if those nations exist then they can focus their energies on Collectivist goals. For most of the world, preaching anything but renunciation and rebellion would result in a World War-esque disaster. Preach the ideas of Collectivism in the subcontinent and you've promised yourself a nuclear war between India and Pakistan. Do it in the USA, and, well, you already did it. Ultimately, I don't know how a Collectivist focus is going to help the world today. |
Faederwulf said: Things that cause harm naturally include things such as depraved art or music. That's an interesting point of contention. If certain musical or artistic products cause harm naturally within society, then is it reasonable to censor them for the greater good? Or, does the exposure to this art and music enable good consequences in society beyond the harm that they naturally cause? How would you define the harm that they naturally cause? |
| I don't know, let me pull out my handy dandy price checker. |
Nocturn3 said: Bottom line, it depends on what your view of the world and life goals are, the possible views are broad, some here stated quite collective opinions while others had a borderline Nihilistic views. The truth is, most innovations were done by people labeled dreamers and crazy, it is the single mind of few that changed the life of many, not the mind of sheeps. Hence, if you choose to follow blindly you have no right to question the leader. To me, I value it at a 8.5/10, I am who I am and I scarcely change my convictions, and will never change one that is based on facts. Unfortunately, working in group is a bother, but something required to live in this world, not an optional thing you cross on your Curriculum. So, be a collective individualist so to speak, use the group for your goal, and as long as possible, respect others views. For some reason I can't help but seeing your opinion in this and the avatar you're using on the forum very much contradicted. You know Central is anything but an individualistic organization. Not saying it's wrong but more like a very interesting choice, the avatar I mean. |
Eight-Man said: Remember, be an artist, not an autist. "If anything simply cannot go wrong it will anyway." ~ Murphy's 5th law |
Nocturn3 said: I just like characters with white hair. I don't even like the anime, lacks a lot of stuff... If it wasn't for the technical quality of the anime (image, sound etc...) it would be unbearable to watch. Oh I see. Manga doesn't have those quality flaws lol. But for the reason of choice that's a good one. Like anyone actually needed a real reason for choosing avatars. |
Eight-Man said: Remember, be an artist, not an autist. "If anything simply cannot go wrong it will anyway." ~ Murphy's 5th law |
| with my life. it was ingrained into me and my siblings from the very start and there is nothing i would trade it in with. however people trash it (especially americans) and disturbing rates. |
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