Entropy doesn't destroy energy. you can't create or destroy energy.in thermodynamics entropy energy only changes form and disperses i.e is spread out it is not destroyed shouldn't his advance civilization be more focused on changing used energy back into a usable form? (instead of participating in the slaughter of children?)
and another thing. how is kyubeys species not extinct? if they don't have emotion how do they mate? how do they even feel curious enough to invent stuff or make new things? curiosity is an emotion. if you had literally 0 emotions you wouldn't feel fear which means you wouldn't feel the need to run hide or fight. his entire species should be dead.
anyway back on to the point the heat death of the universe is not the destruction of energy its just that energy turns into a state that unusable and we don't even know if the heat death is actually a thing. for all we know energy might change back into usable at some point.
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus
The line about energy being loss is probably a translation error. I would assume making energy useful again would require something like magic. And if Kyubey can't do making more (useful) energy is the next best thing.
The thing is unless there's trying to save up for later, and don't expect to be able to do this forever, there's no reason to be doing it now. Capturing even a percentage of the energy stars are wasting now would be more than enough. But we know they aren't doing that, because it would be to obvious to humanity if someone was building Dison swarms everywhere.
It's not out of the question that there could be alternatives mechanisms to emotions. Mostly they just don't seem to feel in way that they seek out or avoid those feelings. Like they don't care about avoiding their version of pain, outside of avoiding getting hurt.
The second law of thermodynamics is implied by every model of physics we have where the other 2 laws holds. It's not technically a law but a statistical near certainty. So that the expected time for anything interesting to randomly form again is to long to be helpful to the Kybeys.
hazarddex said: Entropy doesn't destroy energy. you can't create or destroy energy.in thermodynamics entropy energy only changes form and disperses i.e is spread out it is not destroyed shouldn't his advance civilization be more focused on changing used energy back into a usable form? (instead of participating in the slaughter of children?)
I'm sure the incubators studied every possibility carefully before choosing what to do. They probably concluded that their current methods are the best way to go, and I completely agree tbh. From a purely logical perspective, using the cycle of magical girls & witches seems more efficient to me.
Why go through the trouble of researching other methods (which would take so much time and effort) when you can harvest insane quantities of energy from emotional middle-school lolis? There is absolutely no reason to.
" seems more efficient to me."
because it bit them in the ass later? having the entire multiverse get torn apart is not what i would call effective.
lets face it Kyuby's entire plan was doomed to fail from the beginning. the fact that they had no empathy made the project entirely doomed. because it ment they couldn't know when they went to far
thus devil humora was born.
hazarddex said: and another thing. how is kyubeys species not extinct? if they don't have emotion how do they mate? how do they even feel curious enough to invent stuff or make new things? curiosity is an emotion. if you had literally 0 emotions you wouldn't feel fear which means you wouldn't feel the need to run hide or fight. his entire species should be dead.
Plants don't have emotions either, and yet they are incredibly successful. Feelings have nothing to do with reproduction. Oh, and survival instinct isn't necessarily related to fear.
ya but plants don't drive car or solve mathematical equations ether. what you call successful is really subjective. lets face it were more successful. then any plant on this planet as we could easily destroy all of them (if we didn't need them for air.)
hazarddex said: anyway back on to the point the heat death of the universe is not the destruction of energy its just that energy turns into a state that unusable and we don't even know if the heat death is actually a thing. for all we know energy might change back into usable at some point.
You just answered your own question there. Heat Death causes energy to become unusable..
And hold on a second. Why are we even using our laws of physics to explain Kyubey's technobabble? The universe of PMMM could be entirely different.
becomes unstable for humans. as we all know heat death is purely hypothetical and there could be something changing energy back into a usable state.
GrimAtramentApr 26, 2020 12:17 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus
I suppose this might be them working out the bugs, before going full scale with it. If they were trying to get as much power as possible, they would be spreading humanity and other target species all over the place. And at least in the 'short' term, Dison swarms would be the way to go.
hazarddex said: Entropy doesn't destroy energy. you can't create or destroy energy.in thermodynamics entropy energy only changes form and disperses i.e is spread out it is not destroyed shouldn't his advance civilization be more focused on changing used energy back into a usable form? (instead of participating in the slaughter of children?)
and another thing. how is kyubeys species not extinct? if they don't have emotion how do they mate? how do they even feel curious enough to invent stuff or make new things? curiosity is an emotion. if you had literally 0 emotions you wouldn't feel fear which means you wouldn't feel the need to run hide or fight. his entire species should be dead.
anyway back on to the point the heat death of the universe is not the destruction of energy its just that energy turns into a state that unusable and we don't even know if the heat death is actually a thing. for all we know energy might change back into usable at some point.
Kyubey is not an idiot. Just an evil liar. He is literally a demon who feeds on the suffering it causes to both the magical girls, witches and the innocent victims. The whole saving the universe stuff is a lie and he causes much of the misery to the girls it chooses as victims. Isn't it strange how pressure is put on the girls it chooses whenever they try to back up from the deal? I would say the timing is way too perfect for coincidences.
anyway back on to the point the heat death of the universe is not the destruction of energy its just that energy turns into a state that unusable and we don't even know if the heat death is actually a thing. for all we know energy might change back into usable at some point.
"Usable"? You mean it becomes heat? Cos the amount of energy doesn't change no matter what you do, it just transitions between its forms (electricity, heat, etc i dunno any more examples). I thought heat death of the universe is when all the energy becomes homogeneously distributed across the universe so it can't take another form anymore.
Anyways, a wish coming true defies logic so it's only natural that the energy is actually produced (instead of transitioned). Bc it's a god damn magic...
He's dumb for another reason: if he doesn't care about the lives of girls then why doesn't he lie to them, we see him telling the truth to Madoka about how magical girls eventually become witches. Just why dahell would he do that if he doesn't care about them and they're just a form of livestock to him?
Incubators probably create and grow their newborns in incubating pods or something like this. Most humans research things out of curiosity, however, all incubators research and invent things for one purpose: prevent or stall the eventual heat death of the universe.
hazarddex said: if you had literally 0 emotions you wouldn't feel fear which means you wouldn't feel the need to run hide or fight
Incubators do not need to run or hide. Kyuubey was apathetic in being be shot by Homura in ep 8. Why? Because he never died in the first place. They are a hive mind species, meaning that all bodies of Kyuubey share the same consciousness. The moment he was killed, his other body ate himself like it was nothing, meaning that they have no care about themselves, as they can just replace each other. The only reason why they ran away from Homura episodes 1 and 10 was mentioned in ep 8, they do not want to unnecessarily waste energy by unnecessarily destroying bodies. It is also possible that they wanted to take advantage of Madoka's kindness: by running to Madoka all worn-down and injured, he appears as a gentle and sympathetic character. This would make Madoka trust him more, and will help him get her contracted faster.
I don't know much about entropy and physics and stuff, but this is what has been explained and implied in the anime:
Wikipedia said: The Incubators developed the technology to convert emotions into energy, which they use to counter entropy and prevent the impending heat death of the universe. Having evaluated countless races throughout the universe, the Incubators find ideal subjects among humans, specifically pubescent and prepubescent girls as they produce the most energy which reaches its zenith when a magical girl's soul gem turns into a grief seed. Kyubey claims his race lacks emotions (or, at least, that those in his race who have emotions are abnormal), with little understanding of mortality or the value of life, considering their actions simply utilitarian in nature despite appearing cruel to others. Despite this, Kyubey is a very skilled manipulator as he leaves out the vital aspects of the contracts and only reveals the truth when asked. According to Kyubey, the very existence of the Magi-Witch system is what allowed the evolution of mankind's civilization, as many of the main events in human history have had magical girls involved. Despite answering all questions posed to him, there is still much about the universe that Kyubey has not spoken of.
PuellaMagiWiki said: Kyubey is an Incubator, a member of an alien race dedicated to counteracting the effects of (and possibly negating) entropy: the principle that energy output is always less than energy input, a fact that is presently causing the universe to slowly die out. In order to achieve this, Kyubey collects raw energy from a source that seems to be excepted from entropy: the emotions of girls in their second growth stage (14-18). To harvest this energy, Kyubey forms contracts with teenage girls, trading one wish for their servitude as a Puella Magi, magical girls who use their powers to defeat the evil witches, who then drop grief seeds. The energy produced during this process is then harvested by Kyubey through unknown means. Kyubey does not reveal, however, that Puella Magi turn into witches after falling into despair, which are then fought by other Puella Magi, creating an endless cycle. Because of this, Kyubey is often seen as the true antagonist of the series, despite the fact that his justification is that he is saving countless other sectors of the universe in doing so. Kyubey's goal during the course of Madoka Magica is to turn Madoka into an incredibly powerful Puella Magi, who will then destroy Walpurgis Night and become the most powerful witch, Kriemhild Gretchen, a process which apparently produces obscene amounts of energy, at the expense of the human race (as there would be no Puella Magi able to defeat the most powerful witch).
Regarding the science and physics of it, a page was compiled here, but I haven't really read it yet.
TheDeathstormerOct 16, 2021 1:01 PM
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