 its a interesting topic i always felt that the three different factions represent Order, balance, and chaos. the jedi while paragon of vertue in the eyes of meny i allways felt that they were to controlling. everything had to be controlled emotions, change etc. they represent a state of stability and stagnation in some ways it was this control that was there downfall. as restricting the ability to love and be happy was one of there no no's. the sith while technically the opposite of jedi have there own issues. while i agree with there emotions give you strength. i also feel that they lack the ability to reign it in when its not needed. which often leads to them making horrible mistakes that end up being there undoing. they seem to represent the state of change and anarchy. there so much undermining of each other that they can't unite to achive stuff even the rule of two was flawed. as if there can only be two sith this would mean that if both die the entire sith are doomed and that happened as we all know. and in the end its often there over us of passion and emotions that are there downfall. the gray jedi are by far my favorite. they represent the better parts of both usually. instead of being completely bound to everything must stay the same or everything needs to allways change they find the balance between both sides. they don't try to deny that darkness is part of life or that learning to reel in emotions can be good. in many stories of the star wars universe they are often hated by both sith and jedi. jedi find them to diffrent while the sith find them to tame. anyway what do you think? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| The Sith use the stagnation of the Jedi to bring about anarchy and change. To foment true peace and happiness in the form of sprawling successful Empires. The Sith have only ever defended themselves from the aggression Jedi, who see it as their duty to exterminate the Sith. Obviously they will become militant and embrace the martial side of the force. Also, let us not forget, that without the jedi order spreading their cancerous stagnating teachings, there would be no Sith... |
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Soverign said: The Sith use the stagnation of the Jedi to bring about anarchy and change. To foment true peace and happiness in the form of sprawling successful Empires. The Sith have only ever defended themselves from the aggression Jedi, who see it as their duty to exterminate the Sith. Obviously they will become militant and embrace the martial side of the force. Also, let us not forget, that without the jedi order spreading their cancerous stagnating teachings, there would be no Sith... true peace and happiness? for who exactly? they became a class based nation. where racism was a large part of it. not to mention the allowed corrupt groups like the huts to spread. and committed large amount of genocide. not to mention slavery. the last part i always found ironic since Darth vader was a slave and promised to free all the slaves but instead increased the amount of slavery. actually one of the only few people i respected in the empire was Thrawn but that because he was so different from the rest of the empires government. treated everyone with respect and as equals. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Soverign said: The Sith use the stagnation of the Jedi to bring about anarchy and change. To foment true peace and happiness in the form of sprawling successful Empires. The Sith have only ever defended themselves from the aggression Jedi, who see it as their duty to exterminate the Sith. Obviously they will become militant and embrace the martial side of the force. Also, let us not forget, that without the jedi order spreading their cancerous stagnating teachings, there would be no Sith... true peace and happiness? for who exactly? they became a class based nation. where racism was a large part of it. not to mention the allowed corrupt groups like the huts to spread. and committed large amount of genocide. not to mention slavery. For the men and women of the Empire who was tired of the endless conflicts, oppression and stagnation of the Republic. Of course the old guard wasn't to happy about being ousted from their complete dominance of the galaxy and conducted a PR campaign, whilst they murder countless innocents across the galaxy and undermine the legitimate government. There was no racism. You cannot be racist to an alien species . The Empire allowed the Hutts to rule their own planets as they see fit. They was doing their thing long before the Empire came to be. What did your precious Republic do about them? |
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Soverign said: hazarddex said: true peace and happiness? for who exactly? they became a class based nation. where racism was a large part of it. not to mention the allowed corrupt groups like the huts to spread. and committed large amount of genocide. not to mention slavery. For the men and women of the Empire who was tired of the endless conflicts, oppression and stagnation of the Republic. Of course the old guard wasn't to happy about being ousted from their complete dominance of the galaxy and conducted a PR campaign, whilst they murder countless innocents across the galaxy and undermine the legitimate government. There was no racism. You cannot be racist to an alien species . The Empire allowed the Hutts to rule their own planets as they see fit. They was doing their thing long before the Empire came to be. What did your precious Republic do about them? who said i liked the republic in starwars? i liked nether the empire or the republic. but i found the empire far worse. i'm more interested in what came after the fall of the empire. then again its not like we know much yet maybe we will learn more in the next movie :) so no comment on the children kidnapping, genocide,and slavery part? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| I tend to prefer sith. What you said about them not withholding their emotion/anger when needed is typically true, but there are certainly some sith who can. Like palpatine, or the many brilliant sith characters from the expanded universe, like Darth Krayt, or Nihl. |
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Fuchsia said: I tend to prefer sith. What you said about them not withholding their emotion/anger when needed is typically true, but there are certainly some sith who can. Like palpatine, or the many brilliant sith characters from the expanded universe, like Darth Krayt, or Nihl. i consider palaptine a failure he was to content to let others do what he could not. and he was very foolish if he ruled more wisely (i.e/ abolished slavery and didn't comit mass amounts of genocide. and forcing children to join the army at a young age.) they would not have had a rebellion on there hands. is darth Krayt still canon? i know for a fact that Nihl got the ax XD i to like some of the sith form the expanded universe. Reven is probably my most favorite but he became a gray jedi Kel'eth Ur is another interesting one to bad although canon EA won't give us that much more about him. the rule of two is what i consider to be the ultimate failure of the sith teachings |
GrimAtramentOct 22, 2017 7:05 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Fuchsia said: I tend to prefer sith. What you said about them not withholding their emotion/anger when needed is typically true, but there are certainly some sith who can. Like palpatine, or the many brilliant sith characters from the expanded universe, like Darth Krayt, or Nihl. i consider palaptine a failure he was to content to let others do what he could not. and he was very foolish if he ruled more wisely (i.e/ abolished slavery and didn't comit mass amounts of genocide. and forcing children to join the army at a young age.) they would not have had a rebellion on there hands. is darth Krayt still canon? i know for a fact that Nihl got the ax XD i to like some of the sith form the expanded universe. Reven is probably my most favorite but he became a gray jedi Kel'eth Ur is another interesting one to bad although canon EA won't give us that much more about him. the rule of two is what i consider to be the ultimate failure of the sith teachings He was ultimately a failure, but he was certainly quite cunning and intelligent albeit somewhat arrogant. Krayt and Nihl are both from Legends, which I believe isn't considered cannon anymore, a real fucking shame because it's one of the best in the expanded universe imo. I agree, the rule of two is ridiculous, though it ensures each generation grows in strength, it far limits the actual capability of the sith to achieve anything. Darth Krayt's rule of one is far superior imo. |
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| "There is no emotion" yeah I'll go with the Sith on this one The Jedi want emotionless robots in their ranks, no wonder they got wiped out by the empire LOL |
| @hazarddex I hope the Sith finally win for once in the new movie. Valaskjalf said: "There is no emotion" yeah I'll go with the Sith on this one The Jedi want emotionless robots in their ranks, no wonder they got wiped out by the empire LOL It is a fact the Sith and the Empire systematically attempted to destroy the Jedi teachings and history from the universe. For the greater good, Palpatine and Vader would have been the last when they passed or destroyed each other for dominance. Instead Luck Bumblefuck Skywalker came around and just couldn't leave the past in the past. After preying on his Father's Paternal instincts to destroy his own adoptive Father. Bumblefuck decided to resurrect the metastasizing cancer of the Jedi Order and you know, start the cycle of vicious destruction over again. Then retreat to isolation, just like his Daddy Yoda. These things are not coincidental. |
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Soverign said: @hazarddex I hope the Sith finally win for once in the new movie. Valaskjalf said: "There is no emotion" yeah I'll go with the Sith on this one The Jedi want emotionless robots in their ranks, no wonder they got wiped out by the empire LOL It is a fact the Sith and the Empire systematically attempted to destroy the Jedi teachings and history from the universe. For the greater good, Palpatine and Vader would have been the last when they passed or destroyed each other for dominance. Instead Luck Bumblefuck Skywalker came around and just couldn't leave the past in the past. After preying on his Father's Paternal instincts to destroy his own adoptive Father. Bumblefuck decided to resurrect the metastasizing cancer of the Jedi Order and you know, start the cycle of vicious destruction over again. Then retreat to isolation, just like his Daddy Yoda. These things are not coincidental. the order in the new star wars movie were confirmed not to be sith. sith died with the death of palatine. also luke looks like hes going the way of the gray jedi |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Soverign said: @hazarddex I hope the Sith finally win for once in the new movie. It is a fact the Sith and the Empire systematically attempted to destroy the Jedi teachings and history from the universe. For the greater good, Palpatine and Vader would have been the last when they passed or destroyed each other for dominance. Instead Luck Bumblefuck Skywalker came around and just couldn't leave the past in the past. After preying on his Father's Paternal instincts to destroy his own adoptive Father. Bumblefuck decided to resurrect the metastasizing cancer of the Jedi Order and you know, start the cycle of vicious destruction over again. Then retreat to isolation, just like his Daddy Yoda. These things are not coincidental. the order in the new star wars movie were confirmed not to be sith. sith died with the death of palatine. also luke looks like hes going the way of the gray jedi  Anger and rage. Totally not darkside or Sith. The complete anathema to the Lightside. I hope the genocidal Jedi Luke finally dies. |
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Soverign said: hazarddex said: the order in the new star wars movie were confirmed not to be sith. sith died with the death of palatine. also luke looks like hes going the way of the gray jedi Anger and rage. Totally not darkside or Sith. The complete anathema to the Lightside. I hope the genocidal Jedi Luke finally dies. dark side =/= sith night sisters were dark side but not Sith. just as using dark side powers is not necessarily make you a sith or evil. as the gray jedi teach they dark side and light side powers are just tools its the user that defines them. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Soverign said: Anger and rage. Totally not darkside or Sith. The complete anathema to the Lightside. I hope the genocidal Jedi Luke finally dies. dark side =/= sith night sisters were dark side but not Sith. just as using dark side powers is not necessarily make you a sith or evil. as the gray jedi teach they dark side and light side powers are just tools its the user that defines them. Oh whatever! With your lightside apologist equivocating. I hope they bring that motherfucker Darth Revan back.  And Mandalore. |
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Soverign said: hazarddex said: dark side =/= sith night sisters were dark side but not Sith. just as using dark side powers is not necessarily make you a sith or evil. as the gray jedi teach they dark side and light side powers are just tools its the user that defines them. Oh whatever! With your lightside apologist equivocating. I hope they bring that motherfucker Darth Revan back. And Mandalore. ya i love Revan also Revan was a gray jedi in the end you do know that right? also the Mandalores are back have you seen star wars rebels (which is canon by the way.) |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Soverign said: Oh whatever! With your lightside apologist equivocating. I hope they bring that motherfucker Darth Revan back. And Mandalore. ya i love Revan also Revan was a gray jedi in the end you do know that right? also the Mandalores are back have you seen star wars rebels (which is canon by the way.) Psh. More propaganda. Revan was a master Jedi strategist, who through the realities of war. Perpetuated by Jedi aggression no less, he learned the true nature of things and set out on his own. Where he (or she ,whatever) became a Sith Lord and returned as a conqueror. His apprentice turned on him/her when he was defeating the Jedi in glorious battle, single handedly, as he (the lowly false Sith) saw his one and only chance to strike, not through power or martial arms. Betraying the Sith code and his Master. It was only fate that revan should be brainwashed by the Jedi once more to destroy his apprentice and false Sith Lord. before resuming his mantle as a true Sith Lord. Who then, learns of a greater danger to the Universe than the Jedi and leaves to find a way to stop it. |
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Soverign said: hazarddex said: ya i love Revan also Revan was a gray jedi in the end you do know that right? also the Mandalores are back have you seen star wars rebels (which is canon by the way.) Psh. More propaganda. Revan was a master Jedi strategist, who through the realities of war. Perpetuated by Jedi aggression no less, he learned the true nature of things and set out on his own. Where he (or she ,whatever) became a Sith Lord and returned as a conqueror. His apprentice turned on him/her when he was defeating the Jedi in glorious battle, single handedly, as he (the lowly false Sith) saw his one and only chance to strike, not through power or martial arms. Betraying the Sith code and his Master. It was only fate that revan should be brainwashed by the Jedi once more to destroy his apprentice and false Sith Lord. before resuming his mantle as a true Sith Lord. Who then, learns of a greater danger to the Universe than the Jedi and leaves to find a way to stop it. propaganda from who? the people who made Revans story in the first place? you do know that star wars is not real right? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: Soverign said: Psh. More propaganda. Revan was a master Jedi strategist, who through the realities of war. Perpetuated by Jedi aggression no less, he learned the true nature of things and set out on his own. Where he (or she ,whatever) became a Sith Lord and returned as a conqueror. His apprentice turned on him/her when he was defeating the Jedi in glorious battle, single handedly, as he (the lowly false Sith) saw his one and only chance to strike, not through power or martial arms. Betraying the Sith code and his Master. It was only fate that revan should be brainwashed by the Jedi once more to destroy his apprentice and false Sith Lord. before resuming his mantle as a true Sith Lord. Who then, learns of a greater danger to the Universe than the Jedi and leaves to find a way to stop it. propaganda from who? the people who made Revans story in the first place? you do know that star wars is not real right? NO STAR WARS IS REAL!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! |
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| I've always felt the Jedi were kind of limited, like how they can't marry and stuff, how is that obeying the Force? Which is why I like Qi-gon: Yoda be like, let me check the future, but Qi-gon is like, there is only the Force. Lots of people consider him a Grey. Ahsoka leaving the Order also shows the shortcomings of the Old Jedi. But if you consider the Grey code, is sounds half-baked and irresponsible. Like it's impossible as an individual to know what is good for balance (as your scope is too small) except if you relie on the Force. But the Force is influenced by the will, if you surrender that, you don't realise your full potential and become a sort of tool. Guess I'm probably jedi after all. |
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razor39999 said: I'll just leave this here: Kreia and the Exile are the true reaction to the Force. Breaking free completely of that thing is something never again explored in SW media. Say no to the Force! The Empire functioned much better in the strategy game Empire at War.  If only the movie Empire had invested in a cruiser that stopped the Rebels from running away all the time. Oh and using the Death Star to actually destroy the planets that constructed their capital class ships. like those hideous fish people and wookies. Seriously. |
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