| So many people say that Raditz wasn't that important or a good character, but he actually changed a lot for the series. If he never existed then Goku wouldn't have gone to King Kai's, so no kaioken or spirit bomb. That also means not getting stronger at that time, so Goku would have normal training to do instead of increased gravity. Also, Goku wouldn't have ever figured out he's a saiyan. Vegeta and Nappa wouldn't have gone to Earth, and that means the Z Warriors wouldn't have gone to Namek, and that means Goku wouldn't have gotten x100 gravity training. They probably wouldn't have thought of the gravity training if they never went to King Kai's, so Goku would be A LOT weaker than he was in the actual series at this time. This also means no Dende or Vegeta, and we don't get to meet Nappa, The Ginyu Force, King Cold, Frieza, all of his goons and such. No instant transmission either. All of this also means Piccolo wouldn't have bonded with Gohan, so they aren't friends, and Piccolo is still evil. This also means Gohan would never get his training, so he wouldn't be a fighter. Another thing, Krillin wouldn't have gotten his power boost from Guru, so he's weaker. Super saiyan won't be achieved for a while. Future Trunks wouldn't have been born, but he could be replaced by Bulma, but unlikely since she'll probably die without Trunks. This means nobody would have warned the Z Warriors about the upcoming androids, and that means time wouldn't have been messed up so no 16, 19, or 20. That also means the Z Warriors would die, but lets say they didn't die. The androids are probably when Piccolo joins their side to help. Goku will die by the heart virus. Without Goku, the Z fighters stand no chance, but again, lets say they somehow win. If they do defeat the androids, this means Krillin never marries 18, which also means no Marron. Kami will suggest Goku goes to King Kai's, and he does. Goku learns kaioken and spirit bomb, and attains SS2. Cell wouldn't come for another 24 years since there would be no time machine for him to go back in, so the only Cell that could harm them is the one in Gero's lab; which in the manga it says he will be released 24 years later. So, Cell will come after Buu, and will likely be stronger since Piccolo would have never destroyed the spy bug. So, I'll come back to Cell. Hercule wouldn't be as famous since he didn't "defeat" Cell. One thing about this arc, Goten will never be born since Goku died before impregnating Chi Chi. The Buu arc will be really short, since Buu won't be hatched at all. Vegeta wouldn't be there, so that means Buu wouldn't have been hatched. The only problem they face is Dabura, since he is as strong as Perfect Cell. They would have probably wished Goku back by now, so he would easily kill Dabura with SS2 and years of King Kai's training. No Vegito, by the way. More things, there would be no Great Saiyaman or Golden Fighter, and this means that Gohan likely won't get together with Videl. This means no Pan. Also, no Trunks or Gotenks, and Hercule will take credit for defeating Dabura somehow. Frieza's resurrection would never happen since he would never die. Now, lets get back to the Cell arc. 17 years after the now Dabura arc is when Cell will finally be released. Yeah, I know what you're thinking, Beerus would have come already, but he actually wouldn't. He would come much later in the timeline since Goku would be way weaker at this point than he was in Battle of Gods. Now, back to Cell. Cell would come, likely be stronger since the spy bug caught SS2, but since Cell would be in his imperfect form he would easily be defeated. Again, Hercule would take credit. Other things: Frieza would have likely killed off Vegeta by now, and he would rule even more planets. Goku and Frieza would likely cross paths one day, but Goku would easily win since Frieza never trains and would be in his first form, and Goku has SS2. . . . If I missed anything then tell me in the comments. |
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They would have still gone to Earth but the Z warriors would all die if Raditz didn't exist. |
xNinjo said: They would have still gone to Earth but the Z warriors would all die if Raditz didn't exist. They would have never found out about the dragon balls, and they don't know about Goku, and even if they did I don't think they would care enough to go to Earth for him since their only reason in the show for going is dragon balls |
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| Akira knowed what he was doing when he introduced new characters like Raditz, every single enemy made Goku stronger and contributed in making DBZ one of the best anime out there. |
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illivinni said: I call this "Butterfly Effect". If you apply this to other characters from any medium, you will end up with a conclusion that every character will be impactful to its respective title. Actually, if you take Yamcha out then not much happens. I mean, Bulma is single for a while longer, but that's really about it. |
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Tolnin said: but vegeta and nappa would still have gone because they needed goku's to help take over a planet which was the reason raditz went in the first placexNinjo said: They would have still gone to Earth but the Z warriors would all die if Raditz didn't exist. They would have never found out about the dragon balls, and they don't know about Goku, and even if they did I don't think they would care enough to go to Earth for him since their only reason in the show for going is dragon balls |
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TheHolyDonger said: Tolnin said: but vegeta and nappa would still have gone because they needed goku's to help take over a planet which was the reason raditz when in the first placeThey would have never found out about the dragon balls, and they don't know about Goku, and even if they did I don't think they would care enough to go to Earth for him since their only reason in the show for going is dragon balls They don't know Goku is there, though. Nobody told them, and they don't have Goku's brother or any family of his to tell them. Frieza doesn't even know where Goku is before the Namek arc; Frieza doesn't even know there is a Goku, just like Vegeta and Nappa don't. |
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| If Raditz didn't exist Nappa and Vegeta would have still came to Earth. Raditz had come to Earth to recruit Goku to help with an invasion. Without training from King Kai Goku would have been beaten easily by Nappa and taken away but I'm not sure if Vegeta and Nappa would have cared enough to wipe out Earth or kill Piccolo. Non of the human z fighters would have been wiped out as well because they wouldn't have known about the saiyans coming and challenge them. This scenario would be interesting because it could lead to storyline where Goku has to escape and try to make it back to Earth or Goku becoming like Vegeta and Nappa after being among them for years because he can't get back home. Then you have Gohan growing up to fill Goku's shoes and possibly face him in battle when he finds him since Goku could have become evil after all those years. Tolnin said: They would have found him with their scouters.Nobody told them, and they don't have Goku's brother or any family of his to tell them. |
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DrGeroCreation said: If Raditz didn't exist Nappa and Vegeta would have still came to Earth. Raditz had come to Earth to recruit Goku to help with an invasion. Without training from King Kai Goku would have been beaten easily by Nappa and taken away but I'm not sure if Vegeta and Nappa would have cared enough to wipe out Earth or kill Piccolo. Non of the human z fighters would have been wiped out as well because they wouldn't have known about the saiyans coming and challenge them. This scenario would be interesting because it could lead to storyline where Goku has to escape and try to make it back to Earth or Goku becoming like Vegeta and Nappa after being among them for years because he can't get back home. Then you have Gohan growing up to fill Goku's shoes and possibly face him in battle when he finds him since Goku could have become evil after all those years. Tolnin said: They would have found him with their scouters.Nobody told them, and they don't have Goku's brother or any family of his to tell them. For the last time, Nappa and Vegeta don't even know Goku exists. |
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illivinni said: Tolnin said: Actually, if you take Yamcha out then not much happens. I mean, Bulma is single for a while longer, but that's really about it. No Yamcha, no his death pose, therefore no the best Dragon Ball meme of all time. The meme isn't that funny anymore, honestly. |
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DrGeroCreation said: If Raditz didn't exist Nappa and Vegeta would have still came to Earth. Raditz had come to Earth to recruit Goku to help with an invasion. Without training from King Kai Goku would have been beaten easily by Nappa and taken away but I'm not sure if Vegeta and Nappa would have cared enough to wipe out Earth or kill Piccolo. Non of the human z fighters would have been wiped out as well because they wouldn't have known about the saiyans coming and challenge them. This scenario would be interesting because it could lead to storyline where Goku has to escape and try to make it back to Earth or Goku becoming like Vegeta and Nappa after being among them for years because he can't get back home. Then you have Gohan growing up to fill Goku's shoes and possibly face him in battle when he finds him since Goku could have become evil after all those years. Tolnin said: They would have found him with their scouters.Nobody told them, and they don't have Goku's brother or any family of his to tell them. I doubt they would, and even if the did, by the time their scouters picked up something that far away, Goku would be way stronger than them. |
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| @Tolnin Without dying and training with King Kai Goku would not be stronger than them even if they take a while to arrive. True but they would have still guessed that some saiyans could have survived Planet Vegeta's destruction and would be looking for one to help them with the invasion. |
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I don't know, Super is making some pretty funny memes. |
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DrGeroCreation said: @Tolnin Without dying and training with King Kai Goku would not be stronger than them even if they take a while to arrive. The first time Goku's power went far out into space where the namekians could sense it was when he went SS3, and if he's going SS3 then Vegeta and Nappa don't stand a chance. |
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Tolnin said: vegeta, nappa and raditz all knew about goku albeit frieza had no clue who tf goku was nor would he have caredTheHolyDonger said: but vegeta and nappa would still have gone because they needed goku's to help take over a planet which was the reason raditz when in the first place They don't know Goku is there, though. Nobody told them, and they don't have Goku's brother or any family of his to tell them. Frieza doesn't even know where Goku is before the Namek arc; Frieza doesn't even know there is a Goku, just like Vegeta and Nappa don't. |
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TheHolyDonger said: Tolnin said: vegeta, nappa and raditz all knew about goku albeit frieza had no clue who tf goku was nor would he have caredThey don't know Goku is there, though. Nobody told them, and they don't have Goku's brother or any family of his to tell them. Frieza doesn't even know where Goku is before the Namek arc; Frieza doesn't even know there is a Goku, just like Vegeta and Nappa don't. The only reason Vegeta and Nappa knew is because Raditz told them, but if he never existed then that wouldn't have happened. |
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Tolnin said: How would he even get to SSJ3 without achieving SSJ1 on Namek? Nappa killing Piccolo and the human z fighters is what lead Goku to Namek and inevitably to fight Frieza and become ssj1. Also without training from King Kai Goku would be killed easily on Namek by the likes of Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon.DrGeroCreation said: @Tolnin Without dying and training with King Kai Goku would not be stronger than them even if they take a while to arrive. The first time Goku's power went far out into space where the namekians could sense it was when he went SS3, and if he's going SS3 then Vegeta and Nappa don't stand a chance. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Tolnin said: How would he even get to SSJ3 without achieving SSJ1 on Namek? Nappa killing Piccolo is what lead Goku to Namek and inevitably to fight Frieza and become ssj1. Also without training from King Kai Goku would be killed easily on Namek by the likes of Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon.The first time Goku's power went far out into space where the namekians could sense it was when he went SS3, and if he's going SS3 then Vegeta and Nappa don't stand a chance. If you read the original post, you'll know that they never go to Namek, and he achieves SS1 while he's at King Kai's after he died to the androids. |
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Tolnin said: ok look if we are going with things not explicitly said then who told raditz like what would dragon ball be without them. TheHolyDonger said: vegeta, nappa and raditz all knew about goku albeit frieza had no clue who tf goku was nor would he have cared The only reason Vegeta and Nappa knew is because Raditz told them, but if he never existed then that wouldn't have happened. |
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Tolnin said: If he died from the heart disease then he would not have been able to be wished back because that is a natural cause of death and he wouldn't have been strong enough to reach SSJ 1 after training with King Kai. The zenkai boosts he got on Namek plus his rage at Frieza are what allowed him to turn SSJ1.DrGeroCreation said: How would he even get to SSJ3 without achieving SSJ1 on Namek? Nappa killing Piccolo is what lead Goku to Namek and inevitably to fight Frieza and become ssj1. Also without training from King Kai Goku would be killed easily on Namek by the likes of Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon. If you read the original post, you'll know that they never go to Namek, and he achieves SS1 while he's at King Kai's after he died to the androids. |
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| Vegeta and Nappa will eventually hit Earth. It's a matter of WHEN. Their job consists of going planet to planet and decimating whatever is in their way of conquest. You don't need Raditz for the job, but the protagonists needed Raditz to stand a chance of defending Earth. The only way you can argue Vegeta and Nappa might not reach Earth is if they become powerful enough for Freiza to start wanting to kill them before Frieza's life is threatened |
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