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Apr 23, 2017 9:17 AM
#301
Thrashinuva said: It's why some people are able to get fucking pixie to lvl 99. Money becomes trivial once you abuse confuse, and it's an amazing feeling.PeenusWeenusCaim said: What the fuck I heard it was high but that's ridiculous.KaiserNazrin said: Thrashinuva said: KaiserNazrin said: I am guessing some people grind more than others to get the best Personas. Trumpeter is my strongest Persona when I beat it. It feel incomplete considering I unlock bunch of ultimate Persona and never fuse them. Max out Strength to get the ability to pay yen to fuse higher leveled personas. Satan is level 92, but I was maybe nearly level 80 when I fused him. I used Shiki-Ouji for the majority of the game. Midway through I was unsatisfied and so I refused him, getting as many single target element spells on him as I could. The Persona's that really pulled their weight for me were, Shiki-Ouji, Arahabaki, and Seth, of which I really only specially fused Shiki-Ouji, but I also did make sure to cover every element which I couldn't do with Shiki-Ouji as I think he won't learn Nuclear. I also had Scathach with a variety of aoe elements, as well as Daisoujou with a near perfect Samsara setup. I also had Alice but didn't have her set up as well as Daisoujou. The price was friggin ridiculous. Unless you have nasty way to make money, its not really viable options. |
Apr 23, 2017 11:12 AM
#302
| I grinded all the way to Lvl 95 since I wanted to fuse all the Personas. I had the Strength arcana at max, but I didn't feel like paying extra to fuse higher-level Personas, since I need a great amount of money to fill up my Compendium. I was at 58% before I started the last dungeon and now I'm at 98% (only missing Vishnu and Satanael since the Fool Arcana is still Rank 9 for me). It cost me ¥3 million to fill out the rest of my Compendium, so paying extra to fuse higher-level Persona would've cost me a lot. |
Apr 23, 2017 11:59 AM
#303
GoldenDevilGamer said: I grinded about 20 levels at the end, and I felt like it was going to take too long to get to 95, not that you can fuse Satanael on the first playthrough anyways. I was using Daisoujou to insta-wipe enemies in the very last area of the game. Nidhogg wouldn't die to it but he usually begged for his life so I'd exploit him for yen.I grinded all the way to Lvl 95 since I wanted to fuse all the Personas. |
Apr 23, 2017 1:17 PM
#304
Apr 23, 2017 6:32 PM
#305
| I finally finished Persona 5 after over 110 hours, and it was worth it. Superb game, will play it again on my new game plus. |
Apr 23, 2017 6:54 PM
#306
| Finally finished Persona 5 and it took my total playtime was 116:44. I was able to do basically everything in my first playthrough (maxed out all Confidants, did all Mementos requests, read all books, watched all DVDs, played all video games, filled the Compendium to 99% (only missing Lucifer), and even caught the damn guardian fish, lol). Despite people complaining about Morgana forcing the player to go to sleep on every day where a story-even happens, there’s still more than enough time to do everything in the game. I had a couple of days left near the end of the game where I had nothing left to do, so all I did was train at the gym. There’s a lot of reasons why there’s more than enough time to do everything. The first one being that there’s an equal amount of day and night Confidants, so you’ll never have time periods where you have nothing good to do. Plus Fortune Rank 7 allows you to add points to a Confidant for 5000 yen without wasting time. It really, really helped me near the end of the game. Plus Temperance Rank 10 allowed me to do something on evenings even if I went to a palace on that day. As for the game itself, I absolutely loved it. My favorite game of all time used to be P4, but P5 took that spot for me and it ended up being my favorite SMT game. Besides its ending, P5 basically overshadows P3 and P4 in every category (for me at least). I’m not sure if I like P5’s story more than the story for both the P2 games. Persona 5’s greatest improvements were to the gameplay mechanics. Battles feel much more faster paced due to faster menus and every tactic being mapped to a specific button rather than scrolling down a list. Also, little additions like Shadow negotiations and the gun mechanic are really cool. But improvements were made to the social aspect of the game to. You can save anywhere when not in a palace and it’s way more efficient now. And ranking up Confidants adds a lot of extra perks besides just EXP boosts for its Arcana. My personal favorite Confidant Perks were: Fortune letting me boost up Confidant relationships without wasting time, Temperance letting giving me back my evenings, Star letting me swap my party member in battle, and Moon letting my backup members getting full EXP. At first I wasn’t sure if I liked the characters more than the P4 ones, but by the end of the game, I really prefer the P5 characters more. Yusuke was my personal favorite because he’s funny as hell. All the jokes related to his hunger issue made me laugh my ass off. Some of my favorite lines were in Mementos. I remember Yusuke saying something like “I started donating blood. It’s my new hobby” and Makoto replying back “You’re just donating blood because they give you free juice boxes”. Another time, Makoto said “Sweets taste better when you’re hungry” and Yusuke replying back “Everything tastes better when you’re hungry”. Lol, of course he would know. Also, Ryuji was a bro, but everyone treats him like shit. That one moment where… at the end of the Cruise palace when Ryuji presumably died, when the other guys found out that he was alive, they beat the shit outta him. Like wth, the dude was close to death and saved all of your lives and you treat him like trash? As for the story, made it really special was the themes it focused on. Its main theme was about corruption in society and unbalance in power, but I loved how each palace focused on a certain issue in society. -The Castle palace focused on student stress and pressure with schools prioritizing their reputation over their students. -The Museum palace focused on Plagiarism and how the powerful can exploit others for their own benefit -The Bank palace was about how the rich can exploit the poor and how there’s a constant imbalance in society. -The Pyramid palace was about the death of a close one and the impact it can have on others… I guess -The Spaceport palace was about labor workers forced to work overtime while being underpaid. -The Casino palace was about the hunger for more power and prioritizing fame over morals. -The Cruiser palace was about corruption in politics and how people with power can manipulate others in believing their lies. Goro being a traitor was way too obvious, but the Phantom Thieves plan against him was kinda unexpected. Also, about that Igor twist… I guess I didn’t see it coming. And this game is so damn stylish. If you started the Tower Confidant, you get to learn Down Shot (use many bullets to knock an opponent down), which is the coolest move Joker will ever do in battle, lol. Talking about cool animations, the cut-ins, the critical hits, the follow up attacks, the backup attacks, the all-out finishers and the character portraits, are all fucking amazing. And the battle UI and the UI during normal gameplay is super cool. The only thing I didn’t like is that the borders start changing colors if your alert meter goes up, but it’s nothing too distracting. Even the loading screens were stylish, lol. Oh, and the OST in the game is my personal favorite. All of the songs sung by Lyn were amazing, but there a lot of great music outside of the dungeon, like “Tokyo Emergency”, “Phantom”, ‘Layer Cake”, “Tokyo Daylight”, and “Beneath the Mask”. All of the palace music were great except the fifth palace. It wasn’t bad per say, but it got really repetitive after a while. The final boss OST, “Jaldabaoth”, was really good, but not as memorable as the final boss themes in the previous games (like “The Battle for Everyone's Souls” in P3 or “The Fog” in P4). Only time will tell how memorable “Jaldabaoth” OST ends up being. But it does sound very SMT-y though. Even the final boss too. ...This post ended up being way longer than I wanted it to be... |
GoldenDevilGamerApr 23, 2017 7:03 PM
Apr 23, 2017 7:05 PM
#307
| this game is too good.. Got 46 hours in it since launch |
Apr 23, 2017 7:27 PM
#308
GoldenDevilGamer said: I REALLY have to disagree with this. Bropei, Brosuke, and Asubro, they are all clearly bros. I felt literally zero bro-ness from Ryuji.Also, Ryuji was a bro |
Apr 23, 2017 7:31 PM
#309
Thrashinuva said: GoldenDevilGamer said: I REALLY have to disagree with this. Bropei, Brosuke, and Asubro, they are all clearly bros. I felt literally zero bro-ness from Ryuji.Also, Ryuji was a bro Junpei is the only true bro. |
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Apr 23, 2017 7:39 PM
#310
| Also people are saying they thought the ending was bland. I disagree with that too, I thought the ending was fantastic. What I didn't like was the setup to the start of the game. |
Apr 23, 2017 8:16 PM
#311
Thrashinuva said: Ryuji is hot-headed, talkative and an idiot, but he's also the most passionate of the group. Plus, spending time with him on Sundays when he calls or when he comes over at Leblanc during the summer, was really fun. Plus, spending time with him during the Hawaii trip was worth it. He really appreciates Joker abilities and truly looks up to him... as supposed to Junpei, where he's a dickhead to the MC for 60% of the game. Most of P3, all Junpei ever does is show his jealousy towards the MC and how he's the leader and not him. Best friend aside, he didn't even feel like a real friend. Operation Babe Hunt and his moments with Chidori redeemed him a bit though. Yosuke is still my favorite bro I guess. GoldenDevilGamer said: I REALLY have to disagree with this. Bropei, Brosuke, and Asubro, they are all clearly bros. I felt literally zero bro-ness from Ryuji.Also, Ryuji was a bro |
Apr 23, 2017 8:27 PM
#312
GoldenDevilGamer said: Junpei grew up. Ryuji... Thrashinuva said: Ryuji is hot-headed, talkative and an idiot, but he's also the most passionate of the group. Plus, spending time with him on Sundays when he calls or when he comes over at Leblanc during the summer, was really fun. Plus, spending time with him during the Hawaii trip was worth it. He really appreciates Joker abilities and truly looks up to him... as supposed to Junpei, where he's a dickhead to the MC for 60% of the game. Most of P3, all Junpei ever does is show his jealousy towards the MC and how he's the leader and not him. Best friend aside, he didn't even feel like a real friend. Operation Babe Hunt and his moments with Chidori redeemed him a bit though. Yosuke is still my favorite bro I guess. GoldenDevilGamer said: Also, Ryuji was a bro Grew conceited throughout the whole game. At the start he was pretty cool as he spoke a lot about helping people. He kept losing track of what was important and reveled in the fame. He continually blew our cover and was often detrimental to our team. The icing on the cake was that he never showed any amount of compassion or self sacrifice. |
Apr 23, 2017 8:53 PM
#313
Thrashinuva said: Yeah, Junpei did grow (and it's more apparent in The Answer), but I feel like he grew up a bit too late. And about Ryuji...GoldenDevilGamer said: Junpei grew up. Ryuji... Thrashinuva said: GoldenDevilGamer said: I REALLY have to disagree with this. Bropei, Brosuke, and Asubro, they are all clearly bros. I felt literally zero bro-ness from Ryuji.Also, Ryuji was a bro Grew conceited throughout the whole game. At the start he was pretty cool as he spoke a lot about helping people. He kept losing track of what was important and reveled in the fame. He continually blew our cover and was often detrimental to our team. The icing on the cake was that he never showed any amount of compassion or self sacrifice. ...the only the he really pissed me off was during the Cruiser palace. Everyone tried their best to get the letters without any trouble, and Ryuji just kept on giving attitude to the targets. He did lose track of what was important, but so did everyone else (minus Haru since she came late). And honestly, there's nothing wrong with wanting fame. As someone who's kinda treated like trash in his school, being looked as a hero really got to him. But just like Junpei, Ryuji also grew up. He messages Joker, saying that being an unsung hero is pretty cool too. I wouldn't say that he never showed compassion. Sure, he's not the caring type, but he is the most motivated one. When Shiho tried to kill herself, Ryuji was the most pissed. And the guy showed plenty of self-sacrifice when he got the lifeboat down during the Cruiser palace. If anything, Ryuji's a character that has the initiative to do something without being dependent on someone else. |
GoldenDevilGamerApr 23, 2017 9:32 PM
Apr 23, 2017 8:59 PM
#314
| I think Ryuji's a bro, he's just incredibly retarded. |
Apr 23, 2017 9:19 PM
#315
GoldenDevilGamer said: When Shido tried to kill herself, Ryuji was the most pissed. And the guy showed plenty of self-sacrifice when he got the lifeboat down during the Cruiser palace. If anything, Ryuji's a character that has the initiative to do something without being dependent on someone else. Really though that's how it seems with Kamoshida, but afterwards you get to find out about all this bad blood in between him and Kamoshida, and it starts to seem like he did see the abuse as unacceptable, but it wasn't really what motivated him. His run to the life boat also didn't strike me as self sacrifice. If anything he was doing it to try and live too, and he didn't really seem like he had any intention of taking one for the team. You can say he has initiative, but I just think of it as he's too slow to think things through. What really bugged me the most about him was his attitude towards Morgana, actively telling him that he's useless when he's been far more useful to the team than Ryuji ever had been until the life boat. You could tell he was doing it because he wanted to feel better about his role in the team, he wanted to bring someone else down below him. |
Apr 23, 2017 9:59 PM
#316
Thrashinuva said: GoldenDevilGamer said: When Shido tried to kill herself, Ryuji was the most pissed. And the guy showed plenty of self-sacrifice when he got the lifeboat down during the Cruiser palace. If anything, Ryuji's a character that has the initiative to do something without being dependent on someone else. Really though that's how it seems with Kamoshida, but afterwards you get to find out about all this bad blood in between him and Kamoshida, and it starts to seem like he did see the abuse as unacceptable, but it wasn't really what motivated him. His run to the life boat also didn't strike me as self sacrifice. If anything he was doing it to try and live too, and he didn't really seem like he had any intention of taking one for the team. You can say he has initiative, but I just think of it as he's too slow to think things through. What really bugged me the most about him was his attitude towards Morgana, actively telling him that he's useless when he's been far more useful to the team than Ryuji ever had been until the life boat. You could tell he was doing it because he wanted to feel better about his role in the team, he wanted to bring someone else down below him. Sure, Shiho isn't the only reason why Ryuji took action, but it still doesn't change the fact that he took action. Same goes for the lifeboat too, as he's still the one that took action. If he really didn't have any intention of taking one for the team, he wouldn't have went in the first place. And he's the reason why the Phantom Thieves started in the first place because of his idea to change Kamoshida's heart. Yeah, he is slow to think things through, and he could be a hindrance at times, but his determination has also helped the group gain confidence at times too. Also, Ryuji didn't call Morgana useless. He simply said that Futaba was more useful than him. But he was an asshole when he was supposed to apologize to Morgana. And Ryuji has it way worse than Morgana did. Ryuji got beaten up by the others because he brought the lifeboat down for them... 'cause that makes sense... |
Apr 23, 2017 11:42 PM
#317
Major123 said: Hmm I didn't really fastforward it, I played on normal so I didn't have to grind too much so that probably cut a lot of time. Yeah right and Igor nose is normal. GoldenDevilGamer said: Finally finished Persona 5 and it took my total playtime was 116:44. I was able to do basically everything in my first playthrough (maxed out all Confidants, did all Mementos requests, read all books, watched all DVDs, played all video games, filled the Compendium to 99% I believe you, you must be the most efficient guy on Earth (or a master on safescumming).... (only missing Lucifer), and even caught the damn guardian fish, lol). ... Now I don't. Only Lucifer? If I remember you also must be missing Satanael, he is exclusive NG+. Reading all your post I must higlight some points: - Dude, no story can beat P3 is just that good. - The Confidants are a great upgrade form social link, overall they are indeed better than the ones from other games. But I am still waiting for that story that can up P3 Sun Arcana. I expected a Shiho SL that could top that. - YOU ARE RIGHT MY BOY!!! Yusuke is the superior Phantom Thief. I freaking love that guy, he is serious, cool and hilarious. That moment when he leaves you at the beach and comes with a freaking pair of lobster for their "beauty" killed me I like P5 waaaay better than P3, but it can't top the masterful story of P3 or the close party interaction of P4. |
Apr 24, 2017 12:08 AM
#318
| I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. |
Apr 24, 2017 12:25 AM
#319
KaiserNazrin said: It's about the themes. Memento mori. No plot is going to look good if you're only looking at it on a surface level.I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. |
Apr 24, 2017 1:03 AM
#320
KaiserNazrin said: I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. When I read Makoto I started thinking on the P5 waifu, not in the P3 Messiah. I use the Minato name. Is waaay better for me. The plot is so well tied all along and the Social Links are all about the Memento Mori. Also all the protagonist had issues with death to deal in the game: Yukari with his dad, Akihiro with his sister, Ken with his mother, Koromaru with his owner, Minato with his parents; Mitsuru, Aegis, Shinjiro and Junpei Mitsuru with his father, Aegis with Death itself and Minato's parents, Shinjiro killed Ken's mom and Junpei with Chidori respectivly Then you go to the Social Link's list and the shit goes even further even suggesting some other kinds of "death" (it would be more precise call that ends): first love (the magician), a son (the hierophant), a parents marriage (hanged man), himself (the sun), an online friendship (the hermit), and lots and lots of different storylines that were built to convey a message: Memento Mori. Remember that the SL is a system that was designed to work only for P3 to enfatizase the importance of time management and relationships in our lives. But it was so succesful that they decided to keep it for the franchise. PS.- Were do you get all the GET SMOKED profile pictures? I want a couple of them for Haru and Chihaya my couple of underrated waifus. |
SilverDioApr 24, 2017 1:19 AM
Apr 24, 2017 2:03 AM
#321
SilverDio said: KaiserNazrin said: I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. When I read Makoto I started thinking on the P5 waifu, not in the P3 Messiah. I use the Minato name. Is waaay better for me. The plot is so well tied all along and the Social Links are all about the Memento Mori. Also all the protagonist had issues with death to deal in the game: Yukari with his dad, Akihiro with his sister, Ken with his mother, Koromaru with his owner, Minato with his parents; Mitsuru, Aegis, Shinjiro and Junpei Mitsuru with his father, Aegis with Death itself and Minato's parents, Shinjiro killed Ken's mom and Junpei with Chidori respectivly Then you go to the Social Link's list and the shit goes even further even suggesting some other kinds of "death" (it would be more precise call that ends): first love (the magician), a son (the hierophant), a parents marriage (hanged man), himself (the sun), an online friendship (the hermit), and lots and lots of different storylines that were built to convey a message: Memento Mori. Remember that the SL is a system that was designed to work only for P3 to enfatizase the importance of time management and relationships in our lives. But it was so succesful that they decided to keep it for the franchise. PS.- Were do you get all the GET SMOKED profile pictures? I want a couple of them for Haru and Chihaya my couple of underrated waifus. I have a whole folder of GET SMOKED. Can't find one of Chihaya though, and I imagine we'll never get one since the giant headband she wears messes with the hat. |
Apr 24, 2017 2:05 AM
#322
KaiserNazrin said: I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. I like that it didn't have a saccharine ending like 4 and 5. |
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Apr 24, 2017 2:09 AM
#323
PeenusWeenusCaim said: Can't find one of Chihaya though, and I imagine we'll never get one since the giant headband she wears messes with the hat. 5000 hours in ms paint |
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Apr 24, 2017 2:10 AM
#324
PeenusWeenusCaim said: I have a whole folder of GET SMOKED. Can't find one of Chihaya though, and I imagine we'll never get one since the giant headband she wears messes with the hat. You are my hero. It's funny a baseball hat can't hide his forehead only THAT HAT can hide it. Chihaya should sell those headbands, I would totally use one just for her. PS.- THANK YOU NARMYYY!!!! |
Apr 24, 2017 2:20 AM
#325
SilverDio said: KaiserNazrin said: I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. When I read Makoto I started thinking on the P5 waifu, not in the P3 Messiah. I use the Minato name. Is waaay better for me. The plot is so well tied all along and the Social Links are all about the Memento Mori. Also all the protagonist had issues with death to deal in the game: Yukari with his dad, Akihiro with his sister, Ken with his mother, Koromaru with his owner, Minato with his parents; Mitsuru, Aegis, Shinjiro and Junpei Mitsuru with his father, Aegis with Death itself and Minato's parents, Shinjiro killed Ken's mom and Junpei with Chidori respectivly Then you go to the Social Link's list and the shit goes even further even suggesting some other kinds of "death" (it would be more precise call that ends): first love (the magician), a son (the hierophant), a parents marriage (hanged man), himself (the sun), an online friendship (the hermit), and lots and lots of different storylines that were built to convey a message: Memento Mori. Remember that the SL is a system that was designed to work only for P3 to enfatizase the importance of time management and relationships in our lives. But it was so succesful that they decided to keep it for the franchise. PS.- Were do you get all the GET SMOKED profile pictures? I want a couple of them for Haru and Chihaya my couple of underrated waifus. Yeah, I remember like almost everyone has to deal with people dying. I guess the theme just doesn't interest me. Depressing much. Wasn't fan of the cast either(I am pretty sure I dislike almost all of them). I enjoy later series a lot more. Narmy said: KaiserNazrin said: I can't help but wonder what make people think P3's story is so good. I mean I beat the game and watched the movie but it just doesn't seems all that special to me. Makoto appears Makoto beat bunch of shadows and meet new people Major Shadows defeated and Nyx appears Makoto seals Nyx. Makoto ded. I like that it didn't have a saccharine ending like 4 and 5. Considering how much shit, P5 MC went through, I think he deserved that. |
Apr 24, 2017 2:34 AM
#326
Narmy said: That headband thoughPeenusWeenusCaim said: Can't find one of Chihaya though, and I imagine we'll never get one since the giant headband she wears messes with the hat. 5000 hours in ms paint |
Apr 24, 2017 4:05 AM
#327
KaiserNazrin said: Yeah, I remember like almost everyone has to deal with people dying. I guess the theme just doesn't interest me. Depressing much. Wasn't fan of the cast either(I am pretty sure I dislike almost all of them). I enjoy later series a lot more. Well, the game launched in 2006. In that times the emo stuff was in his peak, it was a game made to hit right in the spot. Just like in 2008 the identity stuff were all over the place and now with P5 and all the drama with the media and social networks. You have helped not once but twice but I shall ask for your help once more: Do you have a picture of the Velvet Family? Margaret, Elizabeth, Theo, Caroline & Justine (Lavenza would be better) and if you think it Morgana is the VelvetCat |
SilverDioApr 24, 2017 7:26 AM
Apr 24, 2017 7:27 AM
#328
| So far, more grinding for me. It's fun in it's own way. |
Apr 24, 2017 8:57 AM
#329
SilverDio said: Well for one I thought the story of P5 is the best out of the 3 of them. It makes the most sense and the pacing holds up throughout the whole game. P4 does have more party interactions but P5 excelled at individual development and I thought that P5's group had a stronger bond because of the problems they overcame together. The severity of the problems were much greater than the ones in P4. Major123 said: Hmm I didn't really fastforward it, I played on normal so I didn't have to grind too much so that probably cut a lot of time. Yeah right and Igor nose is normal. GoldenDevilGamer said: Finally finished Persona 5 and it took my total playtime was 116:44. I was able to do basically everything in my first playthrough (maxed out all Confidants, did all Mementos requests, read all books, watched all DVDs, played all video games, filled the Compendium to 99% I believe you, you must be the most efficient guy on Earth (or a master on safescumming).... (only missing Lucifer), and even caught the damn guardian fish, lol). ... Now I don't. Only Lucifer? If I remember you also must be missing Satanael, he is exclusive NG+. Reading all your post I must higlight some points: - Dude, no story can beat P3 is just that good. - The Confidants are a great upgrade form social link, overall they are indeed better than the ones from other games. But I am still waiting for that story that can up P3 Sun Arcana. I expected a Shiho SL that could top that. - YOU ARE RIGHT MY BOY!!! Yusuke is the superior Phantom Thief. I freaking love that guy, he is serious, cool and hilarious. That moment when he leaves you at the beach and comes with a freaking pair of lobster for their "beauty" killed me I like P5 waaaay better than P3, but it can't top the masterful story of P3 or the close party interaction of P4. If I had to rank the games it would be like this P5>P4>P3 P3 has a better story then P4 but the social links and the dungeons(Well just Tartarus) aren't as strong as the other two. Edit: The romance aspect was handled much better as well. Having a nice conclusion for your respective partner near the end too really made it feel worth it. There isn't a single bad girl in this game so anyone you pick works out well. |
Major123Apr 24, 2017 9:18 AM
Apr 24, 2017 9:32 AM
#330
Apr 24, 2017 11:40 AM
#331
Major123 said: Well for one I thought the story of P5 is the best out of the 3 of them. It makes the most sense and the pacing holds up throughout the whole game. P4 does have more party interactions but P5 excelled at individual development and I thought that P5's group had a stronger bond because of the problems they overcame together. The severity of the problems were much greater than the ones in P4. If I had to rank the games it would be like this P5>P4>P3 P3 has a better story then P4 but the social links and the dungeons(Well just Tartarus) aren't as strong as the other two. Edit: The romance aspect was handled much better as well. Having a nice conclusion for your respective partner near the end too really made it feel worth it. There isn't a single bad girl in this game so anyone you pick works out well. I were thinking the same at mid-game the first 4 Palaces had a strong story (the 3rd was a little weak but still ok) then the 5th Palace was the bummer,not for the Palace itself but for the PTH approach to it. And even worse is that moment when the bad guys got to monologue his evil plans just for the lulz...for God's sake that part was straight out of a Scooby Doo movie (and that's P4 domain). Still what P3 does so freaking well is that it sells you uncertainity, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT UNTIL IS ALMOST TOO LATE. You awaken a new power and you are special, they tell you to climb a tower almost every night without knowing when it will end, you start being visited by a strange boy, then you start fighting super strongs enemies without almost no warning, then... You are targeted by a assasin group just beacuse you are bad for bussiness, then one of your partners die on your back, then you are betrayed by the guy that told you to climb that tower and this shit is only midgame.... If P3 did something amazing was how well thought was his story I didn't see any of the twists coming and they were all pretty good... and the ending... oh THE ENDING DAMMMIT... My favorite ending in any game and almost all media (only Stone Ocean and SBR can compare to this). In Persona 5 are 2 pretty good twists... and that's it. What I agree with you is that the P5 romance is far superior, still I think that it doesn't live up to the P4 romances. And character development although more easy to understand in P3 (They almost go from 20 to 100 in a couple of days at the end) still think it was better of what we got in P5 (amazing for the awaken of the Persona and pretty litlle trough the story except for Morgana, sad thing the Confidant doesn't tie into the story for example reducing Ryuji stupidity or his mean demeanor to Morgana or Makoto being more lax with the Thieves). |
SilverDioApr 24, 2017 11:43 AM
Apr 24, 2017 1:59 PM
#332
SilverDio said: Not really, it's very easy to do everything in a playthrough as long as you're doing something useful everyday. That being said, I failed to do all of the S-Links in P3 on my first playthrough :/GoldenDevilGamer said: Finally finished Persona 5 and it took my total playtime was 116:44. I was able to do basically everything in my first playthrough (maxed out all Confidants, did all Mementos requests, read all books, watched all DVDs, played all video games, filled the Compendium to 99% I believe you, you must be the most efficient guy on Earth (or a master on safescumming).... (only missing Lucifer), and even caught the damn guardian fish, lol). ... Now I don't. Only Lucifer? If I remember you also must be missing Satanael, he is exclusive NG+. - Dude, no story can beat P3 is just that good. P3's story was amazing, no doubt about that. But the pacing of the game really hindered it. The first half doesn't have much going on, and it wasn't until the second half the story started picking up. I do get the fact that it was done purposely like this so the sense of suddenness adds tension, but I still find the first half of the game to be lacking. Also, the way some party members get introduced feels underwhelming. Like, how Akihiko randomly found Junpei during the Dark Hour (who is coincidentally the same guy the P3 MC meets in school). But everything prior to the Nyx fight was amazing. The intensity and the fear everyone had in their minds was well presented. - The Confidants are a great upgrade form social link, overall they are indeed better than the ones from other games. But I am still waiting for that story that can up P3 Sun Arcana. I expected a Shiho SL that could top that. Ugh, the feels... You just reminded me of Akinari, and now I feel emotional. But yeah, his story was great and is still my personal favorite S-Link story. - YOU ARE RIGHT MY BOY!!! Yusuke is the superior Phantom Thief. I freaking love that guy, he is serious, cool and hilarious. Lol, what's even funnier is that the dude spends his money on useless stuff, and then starves because he doesn't have food. He buy lobsters and he won't eat them, lol. That moment when he leaves you at the beach and comes with a freaking pair of lobster for their "beauty" killed me |
GoldenDevilGamerApr 24, 2017 7:42 PM
Apr 24, 2017 2:52 PM
#333
SilverDio said: Man I'm like the only one that actually likes the 5th palace. Also P4 romance is no where near as good as P5, it didn't even feel like I was helping them much and all of a sudden they like you. P5 explores flaws of each character and you feel like you helped them improve themselves as a person. Major123 said: Well for one I thought the story of P5 is the best out of the 3 of them. It makes the most sense and the pacing holds up throughout the whole game. P4 does have more party interactions but P5 excelled at individual development and I thought that P5's group had a stronger bond because of the problems they overcame together. The severity of the problems were much greater than the ones in P4. If I had to rank the games it would be like this P5>P4>P3 P3 has a better story then P4 but the social links and the dungeons(Well just Tartarus) aren't as strong as the other two. Edit: The romance aspect was handled much better as well. Having a nice conclusion for your respective partner near the end too really made it feel worth it. There isn't a single bad girl in this game so anyone you pick works out well. I were thinking the same at mid-game the first 4 Palaces had a strong story (the 3rd was a little weak but still ok) then the 5th Palace was the bummer,not for the Palace itself but for the PTH approach to it. And even worse is that moment when the bad guys got to monologue his evil plans just for the lulz...for God's sake that part was straight out of a Scooby Doo movie (and that's P4 domain). Still what P3 does so freaking well is that it sells you uncertainity, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT UNTIL IS ALMOST TOO LATE. You awaken a new power and you are special, they tell you to climb a tower almost every night without knowing when it will end, you start being visited by a strange boy, then you start fighting super strongs enemies without almost no warning, then... You are targeted by a assasin group just beacuse you are bad for bussiness, then one of your partners die on your back, then you are betrayed by the guy that told you to climb that tower and this shit is only midgame.... If P3 did something amazing was how well thought was his story I didn't see any of the twists coming and they were all pretty good... and the ending... oh THE ENDING DAMMMIT... My favorite ending in any game and almost all media (only Stone Ocean and SBR can compare to this). In Persona 5 are 2 pretty good twists... and that's it. What I agree with you is that the P5 romance is far superior, still I think that it doesn't live up to the P4 romances. And character development although more easy to understand in P3 (They almost go from 20 to 100 in a couple of days at the end) still think it was better of what we got in P5 (amazing for the awaken of the Persona and pretty litlle trough the story except for Morgana, sad thing the Confidant doesn't tie into the story for example reducing Ryuji stupidity or his mean demeanor to Morgana or Makoto being more lax with the Thieves). I agree with everything else you said about P3, I just wish Tartarus wasn't such a tedious task to do. Like going back to play it now after P5 is asking a lot. |
Apr 24, 2017 3:28 PM
#334
| Out of the three games, I'd say P4 has the weakest social links. While many of P3 and P5's social links relate to Memento Mori or fighting against "the man", P4's theme of embracing who you really are is hardly emphasized. I found Dojima's social link to be very enjoyable for example, but I'd be hard pressed to see how it relates to the overall theme of the game. |
PeenusWeenusCaimApr 24, 2017 3:32 PM
Apr 24, 2017 3:52 PM
#335
Dragonage2ftw said: I don't like how the party members in this game don't feel like a group of friends. It makes it difficult to care about them as a group. They didn't feel like friends in P4 either. Just a bunch of sycophants sucking Yu's dick all day. :^) |
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Apr 24, 2017 5:26 PM
#336
PeenusWeenusCaim said: I thought it would be tough to beat out the Dojima's and Naoto's social links. Iwai and Yoshida are the two that made me think "Okay this game has the best social links." Really impressed with how involved I got with their stories.Out of the three games, I'd say P4 has the weakest social links. While many of P3 and P5's social links relate to Memento Mori or fighting against "the man", P4's theme of embracing who you really are is hardly emphasized. I found Dojima's social link to be very enjoyable for example, but I'd be hard pressed to see how it relates to the overall theme of the game. |
Apr 24, 2017 7:26 PM
#337
Dragonage2ftw said: I think thats because there was less "fun and carefree" moments and what they were doing as the Phantom Thieves always became the main topic of conversation. So naturally things always stayed seriously, I do get what your saying but I still feel the group has a strong bond because of all the things they do together. I did want another King's Game scene though, it made me miss some of the sillier moments that P4 had.I don't like how the party members in this game don't feel like a group of friends. It makes it difficult to care about them as a group. |
Apr 24, 2017 9:12 PM
#338
Major123 said: Man I'm like the only one that actually likes the 5th palace. Also P4 romance is no where near as good as P5, it didn't even feel like I was helping them much and all of a sudden they like you. P5 explores flaws of each character and you feel like you helped them improve themselves as a person. I agree with everything else you said about P3, I just wish Tartarus wasn't such a tedious task to do. Like going back to play it now after P5 is asking a lot. You probably are. I did like that the villain's look was a weird fusion of Darth Vader and Buzz Lightyear. Well, when I think in romance in P4 is in the valentines date and the ""harem route" That shit was tough on the feels. While in P5 is played mostly for the laughs.... yeah, I would have liked the P4 treatment to that situation. And yeah, P3 grinding and lame dungeon design are the only things that keep me to rate that as a perfect game. |
Apr 24, 2017 9:34 PM
#339
| If I were to rank my favorite palaces, they would be: 1. Pyramid – Great mix of platforming and fin puzzles, without being overly long or too short. I liked how the treasure room is basically the starting room and you slowly opening up your path to the treasure. Plus it’s the prettiest looking palace. Also, the music for the dungeon is fantastic! But the final boss was way too damn easy. 2. Casino – Very unique as it relies on more than just battles. I liked the whole gambling aspect to the palace, plus “Whims of Fate” adds so much to the palace. Also, the final boss battle really reminded me of the Fortune boss battle in P3. 3. Museum – This palace had some really cool level designing and it really made the characters feel like thieves. And I liked the laser traps (even if holding R2 makes everything easier). Also, the boss battle was fun. 4. Cruiser – I really liked the idea of having multiple targets and taking them all down one-by-one, but this palace was way too damn long. It kinda overused the whole mice puzzle, even if they were kinda fun. But it was the most interesting palace story-wise. 5. Castle – This was a good starting dungeon, but it feels very basic due to obvious reasons. The art design for this palace was really good though. I really struggled with conserving SP in this palace since I was trying to do everything in a day. 6. Mementos – Though it was a bit too short, the puzzles were really fun in this one (even if they were easy). Also, the art design for this palace was impressive. But when you go back after the whole Velvet Room thing, the whole bridge thing was kinda lame. And the mini-bosses prior to the final boss were too easy. 7. Bank – The first half was really fun, but the whole vault part felt like a drag. The combination puzzles were kinda fun, but getting to them got a bit boring. 8. Spaceport – Yeah, easily my least favorite palace and I’m not looking forward to replaying this one. It’s not bad per se, but the art design was distracting, the music got too repetitive, the puzzles were irritating, and the whole “get a higher-level security card” was annoying. I guess it’s because the Pyramid palace really brought up my expectations. P5's palaces are definitely much better than P4's dungeons and way, way better than P3's Tartarus. Making the dungeons hand-made as supposed to randomly generated, really improved the gameplay. It makes them much more memorable imo. |
GoldenDevilGamerApr 24, 2017 9:37 PM
Apr 25, 2017 4:27 AM
#340
| Okay, we may disagree on certain thing but this is without a doubt the best dungeon's BGM. |
Apr 25, 2017 4:45 AM
#341
KaiserNazrin said: Okay, we may disagree on certain thing but this is without a doubt the best dungeon's BGM. Too repetitive. Pyramid and spaceport are better. |
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Apr 25, 2017 5:21 AM
#342
SilverDio said: I didn't care much for the bad guy in the 5th palace either but I thought the design of the dungeon was fun to explore. Also the harem route should always be a joke route, so I prefer how they handled it in P5. Ryuji's comedic timing is godtier. P5's Valentine's Day was also Major123 said: Man I'm like the only one that actually likes the 5th palace. Also P4 romance is no where near as good as P5, it didn't even feel like I was helping them much and all of a sudden they like you. P5 explores flaws of each character and you feel like you helped them improve themselves as a person. I agree with everything else you said about P3, I just wish Tartarus wasn't such a tedious task to do. Like going back to play it now after P5 is asking a lot. You probably are. I did like that the villain's look was a weird fusion of Darth Vader and Buzz Lightyear. Well, when I think in romance in P4 is in the valentines date and the ""harem route" That shit was tough on the feels. While in P5 is played mostly for the laughs.... yeah, I would have liked the P4 treatment to that situation. And yeah, P3 grinding and lame dungeon design are the only things that keep me to rate that as a perfect game. the farewell scene too |
Apr 25, 2017 7:14 AM
#343
Major123 said: I didn't care much for the bad guy in the 5th palace either but I thought the design of the dungeon was fun to explore. Also the harem route should always be a joke route, so I prefer how they handled it in P5. Ryuji's comedic timing is godtier. P5's Valentine's Day was also the farewell scene too Cheating on Futaba or Haru should never be a joke. :'( Ryuji did a good job indeed, but a little of Yusuke in there would be godly. |
Apr 25, 2017 8:27 AM
#344
SilverDio said: Ooo that could of been really good. You just get bombarded with a bunch of texts from all your loner friends.Major123 said: I didn't care much for the bad guy in the 5th palace either but I thought the design of the dungeon was fun to explore. Also the harem route should always be a joke route, so I prefer how they handled it in P5. Ryuji's comedic timing is godtier. P5's Valentine's Day was also the farewell scene too Cheating on Futaba or Haru should never be a joke. :'( Ryuji did a good job indeed, but a little of Yusuke in there would be godly. |
Apr 25, 2017 11:24 AM
#345
| Still gets me in the kokoro Always considered Heaven to be one of my top dungeons but the Pyramid topped it. |
PeenusWeenusCaimApr 25, 2017 11:29 AM
Apr 25, 2017 11:36 AM
#346
| Only finished the first dungeon, but I heard you can fuck the adults in this one. Hope they aren't just shallow afterthoughts compared to the obvious romantic choices and schoolgirls. |
QuattroVaginasApr 25, 2017 11:48 AM
| Sieg Zeon! |
Apr 25, 2017 4:31 PM
#347
| 60 hours later and I just realized I needed to seek out and find makoto for her social link I.. I am so upset the game didn't auto give it to me I wanted to date her |
Apr 25, 2017 6:59 PM
#348
KurobaHime said: 60 hours later and I just realized I needed to seek out and find makoto for her social link I.. I am so upset the game didn't auto give it to me I wanted to date her Dude... I think that at one point they say to you that she is always outside the library/student council room. |
Apr 25, 2017 7:24 PM
#349
QuattroVaginas said: I believe you won't be disappointed.Only finished the first dungeon, but I heard you can fuck the adults in this one. Hope they aren't just shallow afterthoughts compared to the obvious romantic choices and schoolgirls. |
Apr 25, 2017 7:36 PM
#350
SilverDio said: When you miss your chance to get with best girl #feelsbadmanKurobaHime said: 60 hours later and I just realized I needed to seek out and find makoto for her social link I.. I am so upset the game didn't auto give it to me I wanted to date her Dude... I think that at one point they say to you that she is always outside the library/student council room. |
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