MightyM16 said: astroprogs said: No, Nasu didn't say it made him "unstable". He said that witnessing the consumerism of the modern world made him change his goals. His character should still be the same. If "All the Evil In The World" can't affect his mental stability, why do you think living in the modern world can? Because it did? Gilgamesh is a lot more unstable in F/SN than he is in GO, that is a fact. I remember reading that Gilgamesh being incarnated in FSN was also responsible for his more extreme and reckless nature. More precisely, due to his human nature (1/2 human blood) taking over, Gilgamesh was more receptive to the modern era. What do you think ? Was this similar (to some extent) to an inversion impulse ? Speaking of which, I'm still bummed that Ufotable didn't show Saber's inversion impulse in Zero. |
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| You cant show Saber's ugly side. Think of the fanboys. |
Frostbite_ said: ssjokg said: You cant show Saber's ugly side. Think of the fanboys. *cough* saber alter You mean the badass, edgy and too-cool-to-be-fully-corrupted side? |
| Finished Babylonia, finally. It wasn't really difficult. Well, it would've if the final battle didn't keep healing us each turn. |
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I found the quote from CCC. Quote from Tsukinoura Wordpress : Gilgamesh :: "If you think you’ll be getting close to me you’re a fool. In my present state my desires are lesser than in my normal state. And furthermore it is not your business in the first place. Were I incarnated to any extent, with blood that runs like a human’s, my nature might tend toward the human nature of the era in question, however — here there is no such influence. Therefore I’m only taking a small vacation here in the SE.RA.PH. I’ll give you secrets like this for my fare." *Sigh* A hero from the age of gods who lives only according to his own desires, fearing nothing. It seems that character hasn’t changed from his time on earth to his time here as a Servant. EDIT: Source > https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/entry-70-humans-gods-and-other-lessons/ Same quote from Anon : Gilgamesh :: "Fool. As if my affection points would rise. I am more indifferent now than I usually am. Most of what goes on is none of my business, after all. If I were, for example, to become incarnated, my blood as a human would stir and my nature would gravitate towards that of the humans of that era. However, there is no such alteration here. Thus, I shall simply tour SE.RA.PH as I please. Some trivial secret like this will do as fare." *Sigh* The hero who has known no fear since the Age of the Gods, and lived only according to his desires. It seems that his way of existence is no different now as a Servant from when he was alive. Basically, Gilgamesh's nature in FSN shifted toward that of humans of modern era, which led him to act in a more reckless and extreme manner, unlike in Fate/Zero or Fate/Extra CCC (especially) where he displayed his more neutral, yet still arrogant nature. ssjokg said: You cant show Saber's ugly side. Think of the fanboys. But I like Saber's ugly side more than her normal one ! |
VeryNicePersonDec 18, 2016 8:16 AM
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| Except that Gil is still a Servant in FSN.That is why Sakura is able to rekt him so badly. |
| That's because Gilgamesh is under the Grail System no matter what. He said "incarnated to any extent with blood that runs like a human’s". Since he gained a physical body (flesh and blood), this should be enough for his human blood to be predominant. Nasu: Regardless he was incarnated or not, as long as Gilgamesh was materialized under the Grail System, he could not resist the Grail itself - Black Sakura. |
VeryNicePersonDec 18, 2016 8:15 AM
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VeryNicePerson said: MightyM16 said: Because it did? Gilgamesh is a lot more unstable in F/SN than he is in GO, that is a fact. I remember reading that Gilgamesh being incarnated in FSN was also responsible for his more extreme and reckless nature. More precisely, due to his human nature (1/2 human blood) taking over, Gilgamesh was more receptive to the modern era. What do you think ? Was this similar (to some extent) to an inversion impulse ? Speaking of which, I'm still bummed that Ufotable didn't show Saber's inversion impulse in Zero. Yeah, that explains a little of it, it's basically what Nau said before about Gilgamesh being affected by the current era and becoming more unstable during F/SN compared to how he is presented in other works, I don't think that affected much of his personality though. I mean don't think Gil is that different from F/Z compared to F/SN after all he was still quite reckless in F/Z (as we've seen in the GO Zero event where he lost to Lancelot even with all of the power he is capable of) and he still wanted to rape Saber there too. ssjokg said: You cant show Saber's ugly side. Think of the fanboys. >Implying Alter is ugly |
astroprogs said: ...But i DID make a proper rebuttal to your points. *sigh* The one thing i didn't comment on was the bit from CCC because it was irrelevant as i said multiple time that i was talking about his demeanor, not his goals. Clearly neither of us are going to change their minds on this, so let's just drop it. I don't think a discussion is about changing each other minds, it's about comparing ideas and thoughts in order to reach a conclusion that satisfies both parties involved, even if this outcome is not always possible or viable However instead of discussing properly you kept trying to discredit my arguments by, for example, claiming that SF characterization just isn't canon (when you know that in the Nasuverse almost everything Nasu approved is canon) or something of the such because you had no other argument. The correct thing to do here would be to recognize it and adapt your argument to it. Another thing, the CCC excerpt I posted talks about hsi demeanor and role as a king in general, not just his goals. But if you want to drop this discussion, by all means do so. I just brought it up because it's clear that what Nasu is doing isn't really a retcon, both Archer Gilgamesh and Caster Gilgamesh just represent different aspects of his original legend |
| I said I wouldn't do it. |
| I've just seen this Dissidia mod. Can we have that as an alternative for Gilgamesh's NP ? Come to think of it, Gilgamesh using his weapons in a KH2/FF15-ish manner could be pretty neat. Now I want to see him using his golden swords from CCC like Enki... |
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| Got my 400th days login rewards along with 10 quartz from Twitter rewards. 30 more quartz from upcoming event. Wow, I never have gotten so much quartz in a month. |
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| I'm at chapter 20 of Babylonia ATM. Is it just me, or is it way easier than Camelot? Granted, they're a bit more annoying, especially the Ushi fights, but the regular enemies seem to have way shorter HP bars compared to the ones in Camelot. |
| It's about to get even easier next chapter. |
| Muh raid battles. |
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The Final Battle Starts Here Time: 22nd December 14:00 ~ 19:00 JST Compensation: 5 quartz New version update: 1.17.2 Game updates: Start of the Final Battle Battle sprite update for: Gorgon End of 7th Order Clear Support Campaign Game changes: Battle animation changes for: Ozymandias NPC support NP animation changes. This may actually end up being of use, seeing how Babylonia normally gives 1500+ bond EXP and the fact that lvl 10 bond Servants has been confirmed to be more effective in the final battle somehow. |
astroprogsDec 20, 2016 6:15 AM
| Changing battle animations for Ozy huh? I'm guessing they're speeding them up since they're quite lengthy. Where's the Saber Alter update though? And yeah, I think bond level raises your servant's attack power. It might be 100% at level 10. |
| It's gonna be a fun week. Merry Christmas everyone. |
ShinsoPriest said: I'm actually very surprised by Ozy animation changes so soon. I main him, and enjoy them quite a bit. I'll have faith that they will be just as epic though.Changing battle animations for Ozy huh? I'm guessing they're speeding them up since they're quite lengthy. Where's the Saber Alter update though? And yeah, I think bond level raises your servant's attack power. It might be 100% at level 10. |
ShinsoPriest said: Probably new years, along with the other FSN servants.Changing battle animations for Ozy huh? I'm guessing they're speeding them up since they're quite lengthy. Where's the Saber Alter update though? And yeah, I think bond level raises your servant's attack power. It might be 100% at level 10. |
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gratz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 30 quartz... man.. I hope that 10 roll is blessed! I want to get my hands on merlin. Btw, what do you guys think of DW? They just practically killed nightingale and jeanne with merlin lol. |
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| I bet 10 quartz, they nerf Merlin really really bad. |
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| I think DW's thought process went something like this: "We made Waver too overpowered. We have to do something to even things out" "Make an even more broken caster?" "BRILLIANT!" |
KaiserNazrin said: I bet 10 quartz, they nerf Merlin really really bad. Right now we have confirmation that the instant HP heal from his NP is gone so we'll have to wait till merlin is released. ShinsoPriest said: I think DW's thought process went something like this: "We made Waver too overpowered. We have to do something to even things out" "Make an even more broken caster?" "BRILLIANT!" They should nerf some of his skills. This is just too unfair for nightingale and jeanne. There's actually no reason to use jeanne at this point. Merlin does everything better. Her only advantage right now is that she is in the ruler class but even then, it's not enough for the meta fights that we might be getting in the future. Plus her NP interlude that got datamined long time ago seems wack, you only gain 5% def and that's it. I really hope she gets something good whenever DW decides to buff her. 2 of her skills needs to go as well. |
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| They should like make Jeanne's NP heal 5k at level 1. Her stun need to work on non-servants too. Make Ruler have auto NP charge like Avenger because fuck you. |
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| Managed to clear the Babylonia story in the nick of time. Shit escalated from 0 to 100 really quickly. Still think Camelot has a stronger story overall, but the characters in this singularity were really charming. Now to figure out whether to hoard the reward quartz for Bro Hassan or just spend it trying to get Merlin. Btw is there a reason why we can actually summon Queso? Ishtar had to borrow Rin's body, and Artemis basically tagged along with Orion. |
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KingOfSherous said: http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/6031-Fate-Grand-Order-Story-and-Lore?p=2563501&viewfull=1#post2563501Btw is there a reason why we can actually summon Queso? Ishtar had to borrow Rin's body, and Artemis basically tagged along with Orion. The manifestation of a highest existence (by means of a bunrei). Thanks to this abnormal circumstances, Quetzalcoatl drew a new face that nobody knows. South American gods greatly differ from other mythologies, for it has been said that they would take action by “transferring from one human to another”. And the answer as to why she's female:Just like how Quetzacoatl was perceived in many different ways according to the region, maybe some female body turned into Quetzacoatl in some era. Originally a male deity. Upon its manifestation, it obtained an existence as a female deity. Maybe she ended up being pulled towards the image of Venus = the goddess of beauty (Aphrodite), due influence of the existence of the planet Venus, which she was regarded on the same light as for a long time - or so she herself says. |
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belatkuro said: KingOfSherous said: http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/6031-Fate-Grand-Order-Story-and-Lore?p=2563501&viewfull=1#post2563501Btw is there a reason why we can actually summon Queso? Ishtar had to borrow Rin's body, and Artemis basically tagged along with Orion. The manifestation of a highest existence (by means of a bunrei). Thanks to this abnormal circumstances, Quetzalcoatl drew a new face that nobody knows. South American gods greatly differ from other mythologies, for it has been said that they would take action by “transferring from one human to another”. And the answer as to why she's female:Just like how Quetzacoatl was perceived in many different ways according to the region, maybe some female body turned into Quetzacoatl in some era. Originally a male deity. Upon its manifestation, it obtained an existence as a female deity. Maybe she ended up being pulled towards the image of Venus = the goddess of beauty (Aphrodite), due influence of the existence of the planet Venus, which she was regarded on the same light as for a long time - or so she herself says. Interesting. So this Quetz is one of many different avatars of the original Quetz. Seems I've got a bit of lore to read up on. |
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| PSA: Latest Update fixes compatibility issue with Xperia/Pixel/Android phones on Android 7+ OS @Frostbite_ |
| Where is genkii? i need his Scathash to oneshot the archer tentacle :p |
| bruh |
| Spent 90 quartz, got dust. I hate this game so much. *throw phone to the walls* *Pick it up again and continue playing* |
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Frostbite_ said: astroprogs said: PSA: Latest Update fixes compatibility issue with Xperia/Pixel/Android phones on Android 7+ OS @Frostbite_ I was never on 7+ tho -.- I can dream I guess but I don't think I'll get it back. At least you won't have to live in this hell anymore. You're free. |
| Hell. |
| 210 qtz got me shit, bought 4 10 rolls afterwards and pulled Modered and got spooked by Nitocris. All in all, not a complete failure. |
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| I am not rolling. Back on saving for Sakura. |
KaiserNazrin said: Spent 90 quartz, got dust. I hate this game so much. *throw phone to the walls* *Pick it up again and continue playing* -Mahesvara said: 210 qtz got me shit, bought 4 10 rolls afterwards and pulled Modered and got spooked by Nitocris. All in all, not a complete failure. Same. Rolled 90 quartz to get Gorgon, got a 3* Medusa and 3 Taigas. So, pretty pissed right now. *sigh* Back to farming, i guess. |
| I ten rolled twice and got spooked by Nitocris twice. I don't mind though. I'm not really interested in Merlin. |
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KaiserNazrin said: They should like make Jeanne's NP heal 5k at level 1. Her stun need to work on non-servants too. Make Ruler have auto NP charge like Avenger because fuck you. I agree plus PLZ, for the god of love, take that self-stun away. It's really sucks when you use her NP and the next turn she has 3/5 cards... jeez. |
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Umineko said: KaiserNazrin said: They should like make Jeanne's NP heal 5k at level 1. Her stun need to work on non-servants too. Make Ruler have auto NP charge like Avenger because fuck you. I agree plus PLZ, for the god of love, take that self-stun away. It's really sucks when you use her NP and the next turn she has 3/5 cards... jeez. I'd take an increase in NP gen over removing the stun TBH. The stun balances Jeanne's ability to utterly nullify the enemy's NP, so it makes sense. What doesn't make sense, however, is her extremely low NP gen and her first skill. Fix those and equip her with "Vessel of the Saint" and she should be way more viable. |
astroprogs said: Umineko said: I agree plus PLZ, for the god of love, take that self-stun away. It's really sucks when you use her NP and the next turn she has 3/5 cards... jeez. I'd take an increase in NP gen over removing the stun TBH. The stun balances Jeanne's ability to utterly nullify the enemy's NP, so it makes sense. What doesn't make sense, however, is her extremely low NP gen and her first skill. Fix those and equip her with "Vessel of the Saint" and she should be way more viable. That works, how much % NP gain do you think it's best for jeanne? They also have to buff that miserable HP heal from her NP. 1K is non-existent. |
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 How did i not know that finishing Babylonia before 22/12 gives you 30 quartz. I was literally at the final node >:( Umineko said: astroprogs said: I'd take an increase in NP gen over removing the stun TBH. The stun balances Jeanne's ability to utterly nullify the enemy's NP, so it makes sense. What doesn't make sense, however, is her extremely low NP gen and her first skill. Fix those and equip her with "Vessel of the Saint" and she should be way more viable. That works, how much % NP gain do you think it's best for jeanne? They also have to buff that miserable HP heal from her NP. 1K is non-existent. Hmmm. They either need to increase her NP gen to at least 1.2% or 0.9% if they increase the hits on her art to 3 or 4 hits. She already has very low star gen, so increasing the hits wouldn't matter much on that front. If they fix her NP gen and her first skill, i think they won't even need to increase her HP heal because you'll be able to spam her NP much more often, so you'll get even more chances to negate attacks and heal. |
astroprogsDec 22, 2016 4:45 PM
| Of course the node that I really needed to farm on is already taken care of smh |
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| Barbatos was too pure for this world. |
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astroprogs said: KaiserNazrin said: Spent 90 quartz, got dust. I hate this game so much. *throw phone to the walls* *Pick it up again and continue playing* -Mahesvara said: 210 qtz got me shit, bought 4 10 rolls afterwards and pulled Modered and got spooked by Nitocris. All in all, not a complete failure. Same. Rolled 90 quartz to get Gorgon, got a 3* Medusa and 3 Taigas. So, pretty pissed right now. *sigh* Back to farming, i guess. I rolled 67 quartz. Only notable thing I got is the Kiara CE. I wonder if it's more useful than CE that raise NP attack by 20-60%? Like say for Gilgamesh's NP. |
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