Noboru said: I'm not interested in breasts, feet or hips, i'm interested in the whole form and aura.But you can still get used to them wearing Jeans or even a Business Suit and find them very attractive, if you can concentrate on as typically accentuated Parts like Breasts, Feet and Hips. ...And obviously their heart&soul. A person like https://myanimelist.net/character/379/Alicia_Florence would be outstandingly beautiful, even if she didn't have a nice body and pretty face, she's too pure and good. Nudity is nothing special for certain Areas where I'm from It's illegal here.I've seen plenty of them. There's several famously beautiful crossplayers in japan for example. I'm open for Proof. You can't avoid identity crisis. Gender and sexual orientations are not a choice, you're born that way. If you don't find out sooner, you'll find out later and bloody regret it. That's especially bad for trans, because they'll have their entire childhood lost. You can avoid Identity Crisis if there's nothing that can make it in the first Place. And the best Way for that to happen in Terms of Gender and sexual Orientation is when you are born the Way Nature has intended People to be to work completely functional by being able to produce Offspring the natural Way. It's when People stray away from the natural Purpose that Issues come, though to be fair, they cannot do anything against that natural Defect, so it's better imho if they are born without it, instead of having to accept their unnatural Selves. btw.: I have nothing against Homosexuals and Transsexuals and any other People that aren't straight and normal-gendered. I just wouldn't think of them as completely/perfectly/ "vollkommen" ("fullcome") normal and without any Defect. |
GenesisAriaNov 28, 2016 4:10 PM
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xxbrokensanityxx said: I could care less one way or the other. @sasalx Where have you been? You haven't even declared this a bait thread yet. You've been slacking, smh~ Oh I didn't see this one.Welp I think I will sacrifice her to satan I guess. But I don't think this is a bait. |
| There will be rules of course: 1. Her or her girlfriend cannot be butch, you're a fake lesbian if you're into that sorta shit. 2. Her or her girlfriend must be at least 7/10 on the hot scale. Yes, my daughter needs to be sexually attractive to me as well. 3. Every time they fuck, they must video tape it so I can use it for material later on. Then post it on the Internet for everyone else to fap to, I'll pretend they're 18... |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
GenesisAria said: Well true, but those Details help evaluating the whole Form and Aura. Also, how much you like them can of course also have an Influence.I'm not interested in breasts, feet or hips, i'm interested in the whole form and aura. ...And obviously their heart&soul. A person like https://myanimelist.net/character/379/Alicia_Florence would be outstandingly beautiful, even if she didn't have a nice body and pretty face, she's too pure and good. Nudity is nothing special for certain Areas where I'm from It's illegal here.I don't keep track of that shit, you can probably find loads just by google searching. I might be, but I was hoping to get some personal Recommendations.Sorry, but that's outrageously and objectively false. Gender identity has been an issue since forever, it's just not been such a popularized one until modern day. How you feel about what is within others is irrelevant. I've personal experience in this matter, and been around plenty others. That crap about "you should just be what you're naturally built for" is utterly horseshit. I didn't say nor implied what you quoted in your last Sentence. Again, People with those Issues can't do anything about them other than living with them and accepting the Flaws in their DNA, which is why I would prefer if my Daughter were completely heterosexual without any Gender Issues. That's the one Thing I don't understand. If you have personal Experience how bad it is, why would you wish to have your Child face a possibly similar Fate? Why is it better, if a Daughter is born Lesbian than if she is born straight? |
Noboru said: If she's born lesbian, you can't make her straight.Why is it better, if a Daughter is born Lesbian than if she is born straight? |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: Noboru said: If she's born lesbian, you can't make her straight.Why is it better, if a Daughter is born Lesbian than if she is born straight? She can't be born lesbian. It's her education and experiences in life that will decide whether she will become lesbian or straight. And this decision may eventually change with time. |
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pkKodama said: She can't be born lesbian. It's her education and experiences in life that will decide whether she will become lesbian or straight. And this decision may eventually change with time. life experience may possibly change sexual orientation, but that doesn't mean you can't be born with a predisposition. Also social conditioning is often based on factors that are basically determined at one's birth, so even if we remove genetics from consideration, it still makes sense to say that on was 'born gay' or rather 'born to be gay.' Like that sounds harsh but uh, it kinda makes sense. That's also an explanation of the theory of Karma xD (past lives would inform why key events in your life were lined up in such a fashion) |
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xrockxz89 said: pkKodama said: She can't be born lesbian. It's her education and experiences in life that will decide whether she will become lesbian or straight. And this decision may eventually change with time. life experience may possibly change sexual orientation, but that doesn't mean you can't be born with a predisposition. Also social conditioning is often based on factors that are basically determined at one's birth, so even if we remove genetics from consideration, it still makes sense to say that on was 'born gay' or rather 'born to be gay.' Like that sounds harsh but uh, it kinda makes sense. That's also an explanation of the theory of Karma xD (past lives would inform why key events in your life were lined up in such a fashion) Yeah. That's a good theory indeed. I was just referring to genetics, and I don't think a girl can be born with 'lesbian genes' or 'straight genes'. In my opinion, unless you're born with any kind of disability, babe=zero. Your personality(sexual orientation included) is changed little by little depending on your education, experiences, different people you meet, your image reflected in a mirror, etc. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
pkKodama said: xrockxz89 said: life experience may possibly change sexual orientation, but that doesn't mean you can't be born with a predisposition. Also social conditioning is often based on factors that are basically determined at one's birth, so even if we remove genetics from consideration, it still makes sense to say that on was 'born gay' or rather 'born to be gay.' Like that sounds harsh but uh, it kinda makes sense. That's also an explanation of the theory of Karma xD (past lives would inform why key events in your life were lined up in such a fashion) Yeah. That's a good theory indeed. I was just referring to genetics, and I don't think a girl can be born with 'lesbian genes' or 'straight genes'. In my opinion, unless you're born with any kind of disability, babe=zero. Your personality(sexual orientation included) is changed little by little depending on your education, experiences, different people you meet, your image reflected in a mirror, etc. No offence, but you guys are retarded. Gender identity and sexual orientation is NOT A CHOICE. The only choice is whether you acknowledge or deny that factor about yourself. You can't choose to be sexually attracted to one sex or the other, unless you're intrinsically bi/pan and want to stick with one or t'other. If guys turn you off and girls turn you on, and you're a girl, then that's just the way it is. Either have shitty relationships with guys you don't want to be with, or get together with other girls. Simple. There's no opinions involved, it's a studied fact. That's why it's such a prevalent problem today, because now we know it's a fact of life, people are demanding individuality rights. In the past, people were convinced it was just a mental illness, and even those that had deviant orientations convinced themselves of same. (Ofc, once there's activism, there's also a fad, and as a result there are numerous people who convince themselves of being deviants even if they're not naturally so, to fit in with some kind of community) |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 6:20 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: Yeah. That's a good theory indeed. I was just referring to genetics, and I don't think a girl can be born with 'lesbian genes' or 'straight genes'. In my opinion, unless you're born with any kind of disability, babe=zero. Your personality(sexual orientation included) is changed little by little depending on your education, experiences, different people you meet, your image reflected in a mirror, etc. No offence, but you guys are retarded. Gender identity and sexual orientation is NOT A CHOICE. The only choice is whether you acknowledge or deny that factor about yourself. Or at least that's what you think. Sexual orientation is a choice in my opinion. I would appreciate it if you could prove the contrary. And calling people 'retarded' is an offense. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| The same stuff I'd do if she was straight. |
pkKodama said: GenesisAria said: No offence, but you guys are retarded. Gender identity and sexual orientation is NOT A CHOICE. The only choice is whether you acknowledge or deny that factor about yourself. Or at least that's what you think. Sexual orientation is a choice in my opinion. I would appreciate it if you could prove the contrary. And calling people 'retarded' is an offense. No, it's stating an observation. Gender identity and sexual orientation are scientifically supported facts - both in correlative psychology and neuroscience - to not be choices. For example, it would be 100% impossible to make me attracted to guys, even if my life depended on it, because my brain ain't wired that way. Just like you can't fuck someone straight. You can fuck them into a pervert where they like something that they don't like - the naughtiness of it - doesn't mean it'll change their orientation. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: Yeah. That's a good theory indeed. I was just referring to genetics, and I don't think a girl can be born with 'lesbian genes' or 'straight genes'. In my opinion, unless you're born with any kind of disability, babe=zero. Your personality(sexual orientation included) is changed little by little depending on your education, experiences, different people you meet, your image reflected in a mirror, etc. No offence, but you guys are retarded. Gender identity and sexual orientation is NOT A CHOICE. The only choice is whether you acknowledge or deny that factor about yourself. You can't choose to be sexually attracted to one sex or the other, unless you're intrinsically bi/pan and want to stick with one or t'other. If guys turn you off and girls turn you on, and you're a girl, then that's just the way it is. Either have shitty relationships with guys you don't want to be with, or get together with other girls. Simple. There's no opinions involved, it's a studied fact. That's why it's such a prevalent problem today, because now we know it's a fact of life, people are demanding individuality rights. No, it's not a studied fact. You can't go into the body of another person to know how exactly they feel. Maybe all other girls who claim to be straight have the same sensations towards girls that you do, and still claim to be straight. It's impossible to know exactly if the way how you name your sensations is the same way how other people would name theirs. That makes all sexual orientations ambiguous. And some people change their sexual orientations all the time. Only because you feel like it's a fixed thing for you, that doesn't mean the same can be applied for other people. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: Or at least that's what you think. Sexual orientation is a choice in my opinion. I would appreciate it if you could prove the contrary. And calling people 'retarded' is an offense. No, it's stating an observation. Gender identity and sexual orientation are scientifically supported facts - both in correlative psychology and neuroscience - to not be choices. You haven't proved anything yet. Stop calling it a fact and accept that it's just your opinion. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
pkKodama said: GenesisAria said: No offence, but you guys are retarded. Gender identity and sexual orientation is NOT A CHOICE. The only choice is whether you acknowledge or deny that factor about yourself. You can't choose to be sexually attracted to one sex or the other, unless you're intrinsically bi/pan and want to stick with one or t'other. If guys turn you off and girls turn you on, and you're a girl, then that's just the way it is. Either have shitty relationships with guys you don't want to be with, or get together with other girls. Simple. There's no opinions involved, it's a studied fact. That's why it's such a prevalent problem today, because now we know it's a fact of life, people are demanding individuality rights. No, it's not a studied fact. You can't go into the body of another person to know how exactly they feel. Maybe all other girls who claim to be straight have the same sensations towards girls that you do, and still claim to be straight. It's impossible to know exactly if the way how you name your sensations is the same way how other people would name theirs. That makes all sexual orientations ambiguous. And some people change their sexual orientations all the time. Only because you feel like it's a fixed thing for you, that doesn't mean the same can be applied for other people. It's not just a feeling, it's neurological wiring. It's electrochemistry. This is not a new subject in the slightest, gender psychology has been a study since the origination of civilization and prior. pkKodama said: Do the research yourself, instead of having ignorant opinions that cause the world problems. Conflicts arise when people think they know shit and they don't.You haven't proved anything yet. Stop calling it a fact and accept that it's just your opinion. All of these "feelings" are detectable in an MRI machine. So yes, you can "know what they are feeling". |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 6:31 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: Or at least that's what you think. Sexual orientation is a choice in my opinion. I would appreciate it if you could prove the contrary. And calling people 'retarded' is an offense. No, it's stating an observation. Gender identity and sexual orientation are scientifically supported facts - both in correlative psychology and neuroscience - to not be choices. For example, it would be 100% impossible to make me attracted to guys, even if my life depended on it, because my brain ain't wired that way. Just like you can't fuck someone straight. You can fuck them into a pervert where they like something that they don't like - the naughtiness of it - doesn't mean it'll change their orientation. But there's no way to prove that your brain isn't aired that way. There's isn't a 'lesbian brain' or a 'straight brain'. You were born with a brain just like the brain of any other girl. Preferring girls or boys is basically just a fetish that can be changed with different experiences and education. You can definitely start liking a guy if you find one who is more attractive than all the girls you've met. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: No, it's not a studied fact. You can't go into the body of another person to know how exactly they feel. Maybe all other girls who claim to be straight have the same sensations towards girls that you do, and still claim to be straight. It's impossible to know exactly if the way how you name your sensations is the same way how other people would name theirs. That makes all sexual orientations ambiguous. And some people change their sexual orientations all the time. Only because you feel like it's a fixed thing for you, that doesn't mean the same can be applied for other people. It's not just a feeling, it's neurological wiring. It's electrochemistry. This is not a new subject in the slightest, gender psychology has been a study since the origination of civilization and prior. pkKodama said: Do the research yourself, instead of having ignorant opinions that cause the world problems. Conflicts arise when people think they know shit and they don't.You haven't proved anything yet. Stop calling it a fact and accept that it's just your opinion. All of these "feelings" are detectable in an MRI machine. So yes, you can "know what they are feeling". That's not an argument. I can easily turn it around and tell you to do the research yourself, instead of having ignorant opinions that cause the world problems. Conflicts arise when people think they know shit and they don't. And you can't know the name people give to those feelings. |
ColtBuntlineNov 29, 2016 6:38 AM
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pkKodama said: GenesisAria said: It's not just a feeling, it's neurological wiring. It's electrochemistry. This is not a new subject in the slightest, gender psychology has been a study since the origination of civilization and prior. Do the research yourself, instead of having ignorant opinions that cause the world problems. Conflicts arise when people think they know shit and they don't. All of these "feelings" are detectable in an MRI machine. So yes, you can "know what they are feeling". That's not an argument. I can easily turn it around and tell you to do the research yourself, instead of having ignorant opinions that cause the world problems. Conflicts arise when people think they know shit and they don't. And you can't know the name people give to those feelings. I don't have opinions, i don't believe anything, i know or i don't know. And sure it is. I have done the research, extensively, and it's long in the past. I don't have convenient brainwashy citations just to tickle your fiddle because i stored the information and put it behind me. You're some poster on a forum, i'm not obligated to do any work for you. All of your claims are contradictory to the facts, thus they're emotionally founded opinions. You're welcome to your opinions, but opinions have no place in science and fact. I say brainwashy because you can literally convince anyone of anything given enough information backing, but that doesn't make it true. Even if i were to cite a bunch of studies, it wouldn't change the truth of what i said. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: That's not an argument. I can easily turn it around and tell you to do the research yourself, instead of having ignorant opinions that cause the world problems. Conflicts arise when people think they know shit and they don't. And you can't know the name people give to those feelings. I don't have opinions, i don't believe anything, i know or i don't know. And sure it is. I have done the research, extensively, and it's long in the past. I don't have convenient brainwashy citations just to tickle your fiddle because i stored the information and put it behind me. You're some poster on a forum, i'm not obligated to do any work for you. All of your claims are contradictory to the facts, thus they're emotionally founded opinions. You're welcome to your opinions, but opinions have no place in science and fact. I say brainwashy because you can literally convince anyone of anything given enough information backing, but that doesn't make it true. Even if i were to cite a bunch of studies, it wouldn't change the truth of what i said. If you don't have opinions, and if you don't believe anything, you're not a human being. You're a computer. A human being is made of feelings. There's nothing certain in the world. It's all relative, since what something is can change depending on the point of view of different people, giving different meanings for the things they see. And even the meanings of the most basic things can easily change completely with new studies. You do have opinions and you do believe in things. You can tell me that my claims are contradictory to the facts, just like I can tell you that your claims are contradictory to what I believe to be the actual facts. I don't want you to show proofs. I'm telling you that there's no way for you to prove it. It's a relative thing that can change with different experiences. No one is born with a 'lesbian brain'. That has nothing to do with genetics. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
pkKodama said: I'm a scientist. Just because i don't believe things, doesn't mean i don't have feelings or preferences or desires. Believing something, means you choose to acknowledge something that is unproven hypothesis. If it is fact, you don't believe it, you know it (or don't).If you don't have opinions, and if you don't believe anything, you're not a human being. You're a computer.. There's nothing certain in the world. It's all relative This is empirically false. For a system to be relative it must be certain. A relative system cannot self-affirm it's own existence without ananke(necessity,certainty). If it wasn't certain it would have no form and thus not exist. That is why QM probability and relativity are incompatible. I'm an expert in that area of study, so don't try and argue with me there.I don't want you to show proofs. I'm telling you that there's no way for you to prove it. It's a relative thing that can change with different experiences. No one is born with a 'lesbian brain'. That has nothing to do with genetics. It's not genetics, you don't get family lines of certain sexual orientations. There is plenty proof, and it's been studied for thousands of years. Since the advent of MRI's and so on, we can actually tell what people are thinking and in relation to what, basically putting a cap on the subject. Again, it wouldn't be such a prominent rights movement in modern day if it was a choice. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: I'm a scientist. Just because i don't believe things, doesn't mean i don't have feelings or preferences or desires. Believing something, means you choose to acknowledge something that is unproven hypothesis. If it was proven, you don't believe it, you know it.If you don't have opinions, and if you don't believe anything, you're not a human being. You're a computer.. There's nothing certain in the world. It's all relative This is empirically false. For a system to be relative it must be certain. A relative system cannot self-affirm it's own existence without ananke(necessity,certainty). If it wasn't certain it would have no form and thus not exist. That is why QM probability and relativity are incompatible. I'm an expert in that area of study, so don't try and argue with me there.I don't want you to show proofs. I'm telling you that there's no way for you to prove it. It's a relative thing that can change with different experiences. No one is born with a 'lesbian brain'. That has nothing to do with genetics. It's not genetics, you don't get family lines of certain sexual orientations. There is plenty proof, and it's been studied for thousands of years. Since the advent of MRI's and so on, we can actually tell what people are thinking and in relation to what, basically putting a cap on the subject. Again, it wouldn't be such a prominent rights movement in modern day if it was a choice.Then you confess that you lied? You said that you don't have opinions, and you said you don't believe in things. But now you're saying that you do have feelings or preferences or desires. That's all your opinion. You prefer one thing to other based on your own experiences that made you prefer one thing to the other. Maybe you think this character: is better than this character: And yet I can tell you that I think the second character is better than the first. Even though we can't mathematically prove that one is in fact better than the other, we can have our own preferences based on our own experiences that led us to decide that one is better than the other. That's our opinion. No facts here. And it's all relative because as I said before, all that was proven to be something before can eventually be proven to be something else with new studies. There's nothing certain in the world. I'm an expert in that area of study, so don't try and argue with me there. There isn't plenty proof. Lesbian girls are born with brains just like the brains of straight girls. Only because you haven't ever changed from lesbian to straight, that doesn't mean another girl can't change from lesbian to straight, and straight to lesbian, and lesbian to straight again. It's not just about choice, I'll agree that you can't just choose if you like girls or boys and that's why it's such a prominent rights movement in modern day, but it's something that is defined and changed depending on your experiences and the people you meet. It just happens that all the girls you met in real life were more attractive to you than the boys. But you can never be sure that you won't ever meet a man who is more attractive to you than all the girls you've met, due to his appearance and personality. |
ColtBuntlineNov 29, 2016 7:59 AM
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pkKodama said: Woah, twisting my words! I said the subject is not a matter of opinion. I don't express opinions as facts, and i don't express facts as opinions.Then you confess that you lied? You said that you don't have opinions, and you said you don't believe in things. But now you're saying that you do have feelings or preferences or desires. That's all your opinion. You prefer one thing to other based on your own experiences that made you prefer one thing to the other. Even though we can't mathematically prove that one is in fact better than the other Mathematics can't prove anything; they're a human contrivance that can easily deceive the mind. Only reality (nature), experimentation, and arithmetic retroduction can prove anything via self-defining systems.And it's all relative because as I said before, all that was proven to be something before can eventually be proven to be something else with new studies. There's nothing certain in the world. When you study time and causality, and incommensurability like i do, uncertainty flies out the window: it's objectively impossible. You need to learn what the word "relative" means. A self-similar (fractal) system which is the denotation of "relative", requires all elements be able to distinguish all other elements, as they're all values comparable to neutrality: 0 or 1. Don't give me that Einstein relativity bunk, because i work with stuff that came from people way smarter than a guy who plagiarized most of his work and doubted everything he did later in life.There isn't plenty proof. Lesbian girls are born with brains just like the brains of straight girls. Only because you haven't ever changed from lesbian to straight, that doesn't mean another girl can't change from lesbian to straight, and straight to lesbian, and lesbian to straight again. A: no 2 humans have brains alike so that statement is invalid. Orientation doesn't mean your whole brain is different, it means the aspect that defines orientation is different.B: if you can change then you were never lesbian/gay to begin with, you were a bi/pan who changes preferences. To be lesbian or gay it means you CANNOT have an honest love relationship with the opposite sex/gender. Just as a straight person CANNOT have an honest love relationship with the same sex/gender. If you step outside of the bounds, then you were never straight or homo; you just didn't realize what you were (you merely had straight or homo tendencies for a period of time, but that doesn't mean you ARE straight or homo). The meanings are in the original denotations of the terms, thus counterarguments are invalid. ANYWAYS Point is: if your daughter is a lesbian, then make sure she is able to be herself, and not try to become something she is not. |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 8:30 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: Woah, twisting my words! I said the subject is not a matter of opinion. I don't express opinions as facts, and i don't express acts as opinions. I'm not twisting your words. You said this: GenesisAria said: I don't have opinions, i don't believe anything, i know or i don't know. That's exactly what you said. You said you don't have opinions. GenesisAria said: Mathematics can't prove anything. Only reality (nature), experimentation, and arithmetic retroduction can. You know well enough what I meant with 'mathematically'. Mathematics, reality (nature), experimentation, and arithmetic retroduction can prove things. Only to be proven wrong afterwards with new studies. GenesisAria said: When you study time and causality, and incommensurability like i do, uncertainty flies out the window: it's objectively impossible. You need to learn what the word "relative" means. A self-similar (fractal) system which is the denotation of "relative", requires all elements be able to distinguish all other elements, as they're all values comparable to neutrality: 0 or 1. That's the definition you are giving to the word 'relative'. That's clearly not what I'm talking about in my reply. You're missing the point and changing the subject to look smart and avoid what you can't argue with. This is what I said: And it's all relative because as I said before, all that was proven to be something before can eventually be proven to be something else with new studies. There's nothing certain in the world. If you want to argue with it, argue with it. Don't change the point of the argument. GenesisAria said: A: no 2 humans have brains alike so that statement is invalid. Orientation doesn't mean your whole brain is different, it means the aspect that defines orientation is different. What? That has nothing to do with what I was referring to. I'm talking about genetics. You can be born as a boy, you can be born as a girl, you can be born with a brain disorder. But you can't be born gay or lesbian. GenesisAria said: B: if you can change then you were never lesbian/gay to begin with, you were a bi/pan who changes preferences. To be lesbian or gay it means you CANNOT have an honest relationship with the opposite sex/gender. To be lesbian or gay it means you cannot have an honest relationship with the opposite sex/gender. But you can stop being lesbian/gay with different experiences, education, etc. And then you can have an honest relationship with the opposite gender. Because you're not lesbian/gay anymore. If it's not due to genetics, and due to your personality, then you can definitely change it. And even if you usually prefer girls, you definitely can eventually find an exception. |
ColtBuntlineNov 29, 2016 8:33 AM
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GenesisAria said: ANYWAYS Point is: if your daughter is a lesbian, then make sure she is able to be herself, and not try to become something she is not. Is that message to me? If I ever have a daughter and a son, I would love it if they become a yuri loli and a trap shota. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| Uuuuh support?I don't like being a dick sometimes. |
pkKodama said: GenesisAria said: ANYWAYS Point is: if your daughter is a lesbian, then make sure she is able to be herself, and not try to become something she is not. Is that message to me? If I ever have a daughter and a son, I would love it if they become a yuri loli and a trap shota. ship'em, you'd be in the right way son |
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pkKodama said: ...on this subject.GenesisAria said: I don't have opinions, i don't believe anything, i know or i don't know. That's exactly what you said. You said you don't have opinions. GenesisAria said: Mathematics can't prove anything. Only reality (nature), experimentation, and arithmetic retroduction can. You know well enough what I meant with 'mathematically'. Mathematics, reality (nature), experimentation, and arithmetic retroduction can prove things. Only to be proven wrong afterwards with new studies. For example: a magnet through a copper coil will always cause electrical currents relative to the amount of relative motion between the coil and the magnet. No amount of time in the universe will ever disprove that fact, because it's a fact. GenesisAria said: When you study time and causality, and incommensurability like i do, uncertainty flies out the window: it's objectively impossible. You need to learn what the word "relative" means. A self-similar (fractal) system which is the denotation of "relative", requires all elements be able to distinguish all other elements, as they're all values comparable to neutrality: 0 or 1. That's the definition you are giving to the word 'relative'. That's clearly not what I'm talking about in my reply. You're missing the point and changing the subject to look smart and avoid what you can't argue with. This is what I said: And it's all relative because as I said before, all that was proven to be something before can eventually be proven to be something else with new studies. There's nothing certain in the world. If you want to argue with it, argue with it. Don't change the point of the argument. But you can't be born gay or lesbian. You're born with your potential orientation. Like a mould, you can either fill the mould, or pour out of it an live a lie, that's your choice. You'll be happier if you just accept what you naturally are.But you can stop being lesbian/gay with different experiences, education, etc. And then you can have an honest relationship with the opposite gender. Because you're not lesbian/gay anymore. If it's not due to genetics, and due to your personality, then you can definitely change it. And even if you usually prefer girls, you definitely can eventually find an exception. No, you can't, this is all false. If you truly were a lesbian/gay you would never change. If you changed it means you never were homosexual in the first place, you just thought you were. Use the proper denotations for state of being, instead of false connotative references to behaviours.You don't "feel lesbian" you ARE or AREN'T lesbian. If someone does lesbian-like things, then they are acting in accordance with things that are of lesbianism; it doesn't make them BE lesbian. Just give it up. |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 10:48 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: Maybe somewhen in the Future, but the Question was: If she's born lesbian, you can't make her straight. Why would you wish for your possible Daughter to become a Lesbian? @pkKodama: Bisexuality is something else than being homosexual or being straight. You cannot become homosexual and then straight or first straight and then homosexual. If you do, that means that you were born with the Disposition to react to both Sexes. Your Preferences may change or be fixated on one Type for a certain Period of your Life or even till the End of it, but that doesn't make you straight or homosexual, but rather a Bisexual with a Preference for one particular Sex. Also, Girls tend to experiment more with the same Sex, so the Number of People that are at least slightly bisexual may be easier to find out with Females than with Males. |
| @GenesisAria We are just nitpicking our replies, and that's all irrelevant and pointless. What really matters is that I think people can't be born lesbian, they become lesbian because of their experience, education, etc. And you think people are born lesbian or straight. You can say how many times you want that it's a 'fact', that you're a scientist, and that you're an expert, but it won't change the relevance of your arguments at all as long as you don't prove it, and you can't prove it. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Noboru said: GenesisAria said: Maybe somewhen in the Future, but the Question was: If she's born lesbian, you can't make her straight. Why would you wish for your possible Daughter to become a Lesbian? @pkKodama: Bisexuality is something else than being homosexual or being straight. You cannot become homosexual and then straight or first straight and then homosexual. If you do, that means that you were born with the Disposition to react to both Sexes. Your Preferences may change or be fixated on one Type for a certain Period of your Life or even till the End of it, but that doesn't make you straight or homosexual, but rather a Bisexual with a Preference for one particular Sex. Also, Girls tend to experiment more with the same Sex, so the Number of People that are at least slightly bisexual may be easier to find out with Females than with Males. That's incorrect. You can't be born bisexual. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| I think you guys who say orientation can't change are downplaying how much crazy shit can happen to a person in their lives lol |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
pkKodama said: You aren't bisexual right away when you're born, but you will develop as such, if you have the Disposition for it. The only Question is whether or not you will find out about it.That's incorrect. You can't be born bisexual. edit: xrockxz89 said: Preferences may change, Orientations cannot. I think you guys who say orientation can't change are downplaying how much crazy shit can happen to a person in their lives lol |
| @pkKodama Now i think you're just trolling. Noboru said: The word i was looking for but never rolled off my tongue.Disposition |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
Noboru said: xrockxz89 said: Preferences may change, Orientations cannot. I think you guys who say orientation can't change are downplaying how much crazy shit can happen to a person in their lives lol well often times what happens is that people become so sexualized overall that a mere preference is enough for them to do something gay lol, and from there they can actually become gay. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
Why? Because I disagree with you? Noboru said: pkKodama said: You aren't bisexual right away when you're born, but you will develop as such, if you have the Disposition for it. The only Question is whether or not you will find out about it.That's incorrect. You can't be born bisexual. edit: xrockxz89 said: Preferences may change, Orientations cannot. I think you guys who say orientation can't change are downplaying how much crazy shit can happen to a person in their lives lol Your sexual orientation is defined through your experiences, education, the people you meet, etc. So yes, it can always be changed. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
pkKodama said: No, because you are a hypocrite...Why? Because I disagree with you? pkKodama said: Again, confusing state of being with state behaviour. Go back and study the verb "to be".Your sexual orientation is defined through your experiences, education, the people you meet, etc. So yes, it can always be changed. |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 11:56 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
And why do you think I'm a hypocrite? My point is just that you can't prove it and therefore what you call a 'fact' is not any more relevant than someone's opinion. So it's just your opinion. Not a fact. GenesisAria said: pkKodama said: Again, confusing state of being with state behaviour. Go back and study the verb "to be".Your sexual orientation is defined through your experiences, education, the people you meet, etc. So yes, it can always be changed. No I'm not confusing anything. You're not reading my replies properly. I'm saying that all you have experienced in life will define your choices. There's no confusion at all here. Stop nitpicking my comments and just accept that we have different opinions. |
ColtBuntlineNov 29, 2016 12:16 PM
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
GenesisAria said: No, you can't, this is all false. If you truly were a lesbian/gay you would never change. If you changed it means you never were homosexual in the first place, you just thought you were. Use the proper denotations for state of being, instead of false connotative references to behaviours. You don't "feel lesbian" you ARE or AREN'T lesbian. If someone does lesbian-like things, then they are acting in accordance with things that are of lesbianism; it doesn't make them BE lesbian. Just give it up. People do change you know, in small and big ways. Now it's not like a gay girl is going to all of a sudden want to get fucked by a guy, that probably wouldn't happen. It would be some sort of exceptional circumstance, and yeah it's probably super rare for someone's sexual orientation to change. So it's always weird to make a whole argument about a special case and that's why i wouldn't want to by too forceful in favor of it. I do think it's possible though. If you think that means I'm in favor of reconversion therapy though, you're dead wrong. Sounds like a completely horrible idea, totally sick ;) |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| @pkKodama http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IrrelevantThesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi "That's just your opinion" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativist_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToIgnorance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence Fallacies you've committed. Alas you are hypocritical. None of what i've said on the subject of being or not being homosexual has had opinions in it. It has all been precise to the definitions of states of beings in which define people's dispositions. Denotation is linguistic fact. I don't care what your opinion or interpretation (connotation) of the words are, i'm telling you what the english language says they are. English says you be wrong. You're telling me you can "become homosexual" or "become straight", but for you to be able to change, you must already have a predisposition for that to be possible in your brain, thus making it a preferential phase in your bisexuality. @xrockxz89 Read my message not my words. See what Noboru said about dispositions. People can change, but that means they were ignorant to, or exploring a new facet of their true state of being. |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 12:27 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| nothing its her life choices... why would you care by the time shes old enough to marry and stuffyou no longer have authority or the right to control her actions |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
GenesisAria said: @pkKodama http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IrrelevantThesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi "That's just your opinion" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativist_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToIgnorance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence Fallacies you've committed. Alas you are hypocritical. None of what i've said on the subject of being or not being homosexual has had opinions in it. It has all been precise to the definitions of states of beings in which define people's dispositions. Denotation is linguistic fact. I don't care what your opinion or interpretation (connotation) of the words are, i'm telling you what the english language says they are. English says you be wrong. Invalid argument. You just keep trying to insult me for whatever reason, and that changes absolutely nothing. If anything, it only shows how rude you are. All you have said so far are nothing but just your opinions. And you haven't replied to this yet: pkKodama said: @GenesisAria We are just nitpicking our replies, and that's all irrelevant and pointless. What really matters is that I think people can't be born lesbian, they become lesbian because of their experience, education, etc. And you think people are born lesbian or straight. You can say how many times you want that it's a 'fact', that you're a scientist, and that you're an expert, but it won't change the relevance of your arguments at all as long as you don't prove it, and you can't prove it. And oh yeah, you do care for my opinion. That's why you keep reading my replies and replying to me. And I say your English is the wrong one if you can't understand what I mean with my sentences. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| @pkKodama Why would i insult? Completely pointless action. All i do is state observations and share information. I don't, i'm just obsessed with the objective truth, and benefiting others, so i fight until either they get their head outa their ass or i give up because they're obstinate beyond repair. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: @pkKodama Why would i insult? Completely pointless action. All i do is state observations and share information. GenesisAria said: No offence, but you guys are retarded. GenesisAria said: Now i think you're just trolling. GenesisAria said: No, because you are a hypocrite... And you call me hypocrite? ........................ |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
GenesisAria said: @xrockxz89 Read my message not my words. See what Noboru said about dispositions. People can change, but that means they were ignorant to, or exploring a new facet of their true state of being. uh huh... well, there's nothing as vast as one's soul... maybe it's all in there somewhere~ hahah ^____^ |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| @xrockxz89 That's quite possible. I dunno about other people, but i've dug pretty deep into myself, and there's some pretty scary shit mixed in with the rest. Maybe everyone has everything, maybe most people just have most things but not all. I never claimed that most people were straight or bi, as if everything is in most people, it means that most are bi/pan, and that homo/hetero are rare. |
GenesisAriaNov 29, 2016 1:02 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: @xrockxz89 That's quite possible. I dunno about other people, but i've dug pretty deep into myself, and there's some pretty scary shit mixed in with the rest. Maybe everyone has everything, maybe most people just have most things but not all. I never claimed that most people were straight or by, as if everything is in most people, it means that most are bi/pan and homo/hetero are rare. maybe. there sure are a lot of homo's on mal though yeah actually i do think most people these days are kinda bi. or maybe just most people that i talked to. there's always that other half of america that you like never hear from >_> |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
GenesisAria said: @xrockxz89 That's quite possible. I dunno about other people, but i've dug pretty deep into myself, and there's some pretty scary shit mixed in with the rest. Maybe everyone has everything, maybe most people just have most things but not all. I never claimed that most people were straight or by, as if everything is in most people, it means that most are bi/pan and homo/hetero are rare. Have we been discussing all this time for nothing? That's pretty much my point too. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| You're welcome, though to be honest, I wasn't sure which of the Translations to pick, so I just recalled having read that Word somewhere and used it. Also: Let'em talk |
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