aa-dono said: @_Claire_ Do you have any reason for that grrr train besides testing your theory? Edit: Any other, I mean There are two theories actually. I am testing both. And I see that you are sort of defending grrr and leaning towards Jack, hm? @greenwillow can scums talk during the day? Or they can only talk at night? Sorry if this qtn has been answered before thanks. |
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_Claire_ said: Yes, they can talk during the day. It has been written under the "Clarification" section so if you have a question that you think might have been already answered then you can check in the main post first :)@greenwillow can scums talk during the day? Or they can only talk at night? Sorry if this qtn has been answered before thanks. |
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Gruffin said: Why would a mafia player predict mafia to win? Pretty gutsy if you ask me. Is Grrr known to do stuff like this as scum or town? Oh grrrr does plenty more than just this... But I must admit, him saying he predicts a mafia win this early in the game rubbed me the wrong way. It's still not really alignment indicative, since this grrr -_- You guys might be able to better analyze his actions since you won't be blinded by meta. Kit said: If memory serves me, two townies (holo and grave) predicted mafia win out of frustration in the last game I played. So it can make sense in context, given their reasoning. Yep but we didn't predict it a few hours into day 1. If you notice soren's post, he never said who'd win, he just predicted a time. Now this could be one of the things that soren does early game that helps him read people, or it could be one of many other things. @Soren, why did you make that prediction? Is this like the weird questions you ask on day 1 sometimes to get people talking? aa-dono said: grave_robber said: Why didn't you like this question?The only thing I didn't like was the way she asked aa-dono, "are you saying soren is town/mafia?". She asked what you were saying, you weren't saying anything, you were insinuating things, now this is still fresh in our memory so we know you didn't say soren was either faction but in a few phases when we're focused on other things, we might remember her interpretation of the actual post rather than the post itself. Mafia uses subtle forms of manipulation like that, for example, in the previous game, a mafia players said player x started the vote on someone when it was someone else and I went back and corrected them, and the person who had started that bad train was also mafia. So yeah.... I'm not letting my guard down. aa-dono said: Found the answer. grave_robber said: An example of that is her question to aa-dono, it can be interpreted as her putting words in awa's mouth or that she's trying to get a read on awa from that post. I think her question seemed harmless, since I didn't state what I was playing at (which is Soren's sign up post). It's not unusual that you don't remember what others said during their sign-up. Feels like you're either reading it too much or this is an attempt to shade Ruu. Either way, noted. I didn't object to her not remembering, now who's putting word into other people's mouths? I said the way she asked, the wording she used was what caught my attention. Because as you can see in my answer to her question, I had to reply in the same manner of speaking as her but then I changed it because that was not stating facts, it was putting words in your mouth. That's why it mattered to me. see my reply to previous post for more details. You can take note of it, just make that you don't mud fling me when you're accusing me of mud flinging. |
aa-dono said: Will be back later after my day duties~ That's all? you just mud flinged me, asked a few questions that give no read and didn't provide one on the situation yourself. #noted Gruffin said: @aa-dono I’ve gotten pretty good town vibes from Jack so far based on his responses to my questions, and I’m hesitant to read Grrr based on only a few posts. We’ll see more of them as the game goes on hopefully so I can get a better idea of their alignment. If I had to go with my gut, I’d say the interaction is town!Jack vs scum!Grrr. But again, I’d like to see more out of Grrr before handing out a scumread. He’ll stay neutral for now. Hmm, that's interesting. They're both at best neutral in my book. |
Jackrito said: How about you tell me your own thoughts on it, instead of flipping the question back. +1 aa-dono said: Jackrito said: I was actually waiting for someone to do this, though I thought Gruffin or someone not you is the one who would tell me that.How about you tell me your own thoughts on it, instead of flipping the question back. Anyway, I agree with grrr that it feels more scum than town. Your reaction to it, I mean. At first I shrugged it off thinking it wasn't anything, but then I realize you got townread/vibe from it. So I tried to see if it does lean towards town. What I get is "No, I don't see town posting that." I do agree that we should have faith in our ability and would love to catch scum by D3. But the way you wrote that feels so orchestrated. Like you're pleasing the ego of town. I know you plan your words regardless of alignment, so that post doesn't give me a red flag. It still makes your scale leans towards scum and less neutral. So Vote Change: Jackrito Why wait for someone to ask you for your analysis? What feels unnatural is the omgus vote on you from soren, almost all your posts so far and that fact that you are waiting for someone to tell you to give analysis. I'm inclined to vote grrr or you than Jack at this point, but I will wait and see how you react to this. aa-dono said: I kinda' want to vote Soren though. To break free of me usually avoid reading him, and because he didn't say RVS hated him = RVS loves him = he's scum. But if I follow this logic, then I have to ignore my suspicion on Jack since Jack said he hates RNG this time, and he love scum role = he got town :'D #ramble He hates RNG because RNG gets him killed every time a host runs it with Jack's life at stake. If you vote sore, I would follow that vote since he omgussed you and posted the prediction that has thrown shade over others but kept him safe. No one cared that Rinto said town either, what jack said doesn't is not out of he unusual for him, grrr too but I don't know Rinto so I can't tell if this is a post he made to look townie or if he's town. (I hope you're a guy, I keep saying him/he) greenwillow said: Morning, sweeties~ Good morning! btw, I'm currently talking to people in hopes of fining a replacement for myself, I don't have much time or energy to play and this cold is making it worse. Don't worry, I will try to stay active until a replacement is found |
| Catching up! grrr said: Jackrito said: I would rather win at the end of day 3. Not sure why you both have such little faith in town ability, or is this more what you both want. vote: Jackrito grrr said: What he wrote makes no sense. Only mafia person would post it to look townish. town person won't post that. The role set of the game is simple and given that I can't force claims I guess it will be just behavior reads + random for me. No any abilities to beware for. grrr said: SOREN's prediction has no reasoning. It is either obvious or obviously wrong depending on his answer to my question. He is the type of person who will post something random in the start like that no matter his alignment. Your posts are more productive and reasonable than usual. You're not just trolling us, you're analyzing people's posts. :o Not sure how I feel about that change, but for once I don't want to lynch you right away. Gruffin said: This inactivity is killing me, good lord. T-T I want us to get out of RVS before I go to bed at least. @Phraze @_Claire_ Where are you two? Could you catch up, give us your thoughts and maybe lay down a vote? @Luna Same as Phraze/Claire. Could you catch up and give us your thoughts? @Soren Thoughts on the discussion caused by your prediction? What do you think about the interaction between Jackrito and Grrr? @Coromandel Do you think there was any scum on the Claire train? (Between you, Grrr, Luna) I don't know. I like Grrr's posts so far, they seem town-ish. Luna hasn't posted anything outside of RVS yet, so she's neutral to me. And I'm town. |
grave_robber said: >__<Good morning! btw, I'm currently talking to people in hopes of fining a replacement for myself, I don't have much time or energy to play and this cold is making it worse. Don't worry, I will try to stay active until a replacement is found Luna has also requested a replacement due to being busy, I will try asking some people :/ |
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Gruffin said: Kit said: Unsure if you are pointing out that I'm lurking too or asking me to answer the question, but I can follow Grrr's thought process on that vote because Jack could be purposely trying to look town and oppose anti-town ideas, while also kind of accusing Soren and Grr. On the other hand I agree with Jack that it's kind of pessimistic to predict several mislynches happening/the game going on so long/a mafia win. It kind of bothers me when town predict mafia win cause it sounds like giving up... (but not necessarily like they are scum themselves) It's possible that both are town in this argument. Can't say I like Grrr's eagerness to vote for Jack, though. Why do you find his vote worse than others? |
greenwillow said: grave_robber said: >__<Good morning! btw, I'm currently talking to people in hopes of fining a replacement for myself, I don't have much time or energy to play and this cold is making it worse. Don't worry, I will try to stay active until a replacement is found Luna has also requested a replacement due to being busy, I will try asking some people :/ I'm sorry, I really like the game and wanted to play.  |
| @coromandel. have you played with Claire before? I like her bait, I want to bite since both grrr and Jack are hard for me to read especially early game. The thing is, I also like my vote on kit, it was just RVS but they've done little to make me want to unvote. Hmm, so the vote count was 3 for claire, then this "prediction" thing happened (soren started it then grrr replied and rinto and then jack commented on it) and now it's 3 for Jack and 3 for grrr and how many for claire? Is claire trying to get the train off of her and unto grrr? I can't remember if grrr claims when about to be lynched, but he's saying he won't. Which makes me wonder... what was he like during those wolf games we played when there was a jumper? once he was town and misunderstood and once he was mafia and was lynched D2 D1 because he had that ability that made him unable to speak. Who's messing around here? I need a good juicy target for this phase Who wants to vote soren or aa-dono with me? I'm up for voting Rinto too, unlike others, I didn't notice any posts that seemed game related in a productive way. RIP, no one is here but me and the crickets.... Edit: fixed the day he was lynched at |
grave_robberNov 26, 2016 3:06 AM
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_Claire_ said: People should also move from RVS and start building pressure instead of just leaving one vote in one person, you know it has no effect on that person whatsoever right? So yes, keep on moving. +1 _Claire_ said: It is just something I want to try, but I believe my vote isnt enough to test my theory or whatever you want to call it. It will work if a train is built up against grrr but I can see nobody will actually build a train now to avoid being suspicious. Also if I say it out loud it will beat the purpose of the theory, wont it? Not sure how I feel about this. Especially since you and grrr are currently the only players with more than 1 vote. At the same time, I'd expect you to be more subtle as scum, if you're trying to sway the votes. *hm* @Phraze Any thoughts so far? @Gruffin Why did you unvote? Wouldn't pressuring someone be better than not voting for anyone? |
~Unofficial Vote Count ~ grrr(3) // Ruu, _Claire_, Kit _Claire_(2) // Luna, coromandel Jackrito(2) // grrr, aa-dono Rinto-kun(1) // Jackrito Kit(1) // grave_robber Phraze(1) // logic340 Luna(1) // Rinto-kun aa-dono(1) // Soren Not voting: Phraze, Gruffin. TIMER So grrr was voting for claire before, which is why she chose him? now soren has 0 votes despite the fact that he started the predictions.... So Ruu was the 1st person to vote grr and claire sheeped it. who to vote for? Is grrr being setup or did he get caught? what was the vote count when the prediction incident happened? I'm pretty sure it was 3 for claire and just 1 for others *goes back to check* |
coromandel said: Catching up! grrr said: What he wrote makes no sense. Only mafia person would post it to look townish. town person won't post that. The role set of the game is simple and given that I can't force claims I guess it will be just behavior reads + random for me. No any abilities to beware for. grrr said: SOREN's prediction has no reasoning. It is either obvious or obviously wrong depending on his answer to my question. He is the type of person who will post something random in the start like that no matter his alignment. Your posts are more productive and reasonable than usual. You're not just trolling us, you're analyzing people's posts. :o Not sure how I feel about that change, but for once I don't want to lynch you right away. Gruffin said: This inactivity is killing me, good lord. T-T I want us to get out of RVS before I go to bed at least. @Phraze @_Claire_ Where are you two? Could you catch up, give us your thoughts and maybe lay down a vote? @Luna Same as Phraze/Claire. Could you catch up and give us your thoughts? @Soren Thoughts on the discussion caused by your prediction? What do you think about the interaction between Jackrito and Grrr? @Coromandel Do you think there was any scum on the Claire train? (Between you, Grrr, Luna) I don't know. I like Grrr's posts so far, they seem town-ish. Luna hasn't posted anything outside of RVS yet, so she's neutral to me. And I'm town. Precisely. I have actually formed a bit of my thought, based on half people being online and what they think of my "theory". grave_robber said: @coromandel. have you played with Claire before? I like her bait, I want to bite since both grrr and Jack are hard for me to read especially early game. The thing is, I also like my vote on kit, it was just RVS but they've done little to make me want to unvote. Hmm, so the vote count was 3 for claire, then this "prediction" thing happened (soren started it then grrr replied and rinto and then jack commented on it) and now it's 3 for Jack and 3 for grrr and how many for claire? Is claire trying to get the train off of her and unto grrr? I can't remember if grrr claims when about to be lynched, but he's saying he won't. Which makes me wonder... what was he like during those wolf games we played when there was a jumper? once he was town and misunderstood and once he was mafia and was lynched D2 D1 because he had that ability that made him unable to speak. Who's messing around here? I need a good juicy target for this phase Who wants to vote soren or aa-dono with me? I'm up for voting Rinto too, unlike others, I didn't notice any posts that seemed game related in a productive way. RIP, no one is here but me and the crickets.... Edit: fixed the day he was lynched at I think it is best to move your vote, them doing nothing does not mean that it is enough reason to leave your vote on Kit. Bite my bait. You will help me in my experiment ;> |
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grave_robber said: @coromandel. have you played with Claire before? I like her bait, I want to bite since both grrr and Jack are hard for me to read especially early game. I like how upfront she is about wanting people to vote for grrr + how she said that she has two theories. People will expect her to explaiin these theories later, and I'm thinking scum would rather not "promise" something like this. But I'm not having a clear town-read on her, it's neutral-town-ish right now. And my current reads on Jack and grrr are more neutral-ish. They're both players I tend to observe for a few phases before actually voting for them. Grrr, I'm actually getting slight town vibes from. (Shocking, I know >.>) grave_robber said: The thing is, I also like my vote on kit, it was just RVS but they've done little to make me want to unvote. I was about to ask you about your RVS vote. ^^ Kit isn't all that scummy, but you're right that he hasn't done a whole lot so far. grave_robber said: Hmm, so the vote count was 3 for claire, then this "prediction" thing happened (soren started it then grrr replied and rinto and then jack commented on it) and now it's 3 for Jack and 3 for grrr and how many for claire? I think only dono and grrr are voting for Jack right now. Luna and I are voting for Claire, Ruu, Claire and Kit are voting for grrr. I'll try to make an overview of these vote changes later. grave_robber said: Is claire trying to get the train off of her and unto grrr? I can't remember if grrr claims when about to be lynched, but he's saying he won't. Which makes me wonder... what was he like during those wolf games we played when there was a jumper? once he was town and misunderstood and once he was mafia and was lynched D2 because he had that ability that made him unable to speak. uff.. I don't really remember these games. >.< Do you know which WW game it was exactly? grave_robber said: Who's messing around here? I need a good juicy target for this phase Who wants to vote soren or aa-dono with me? I'm up for voting Rinto too, unlike others, I didn't notice any posts that seemed game related in a productive way. RIP, no one is here but me and the crickets.... I wouldn't mind pressuring Soren. I like that dono is asking questions and is also going against the current flow by voting for Jack instead of grrr. Rinto has been scummy in every game I've played with him. although that doesn't mean we should ignore him. |
| Vote count 1.1: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48707768 grrr votes claire: (13 minute after the vote count) https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48707964 she has 3 now Logic asks why ppl are voting claire since now there's amini train on her: (Luna, Coromandel, grrr) https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48708049 soren votes aa-dono and makes a prediction: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48708119 grrr makes his own prediction (11 minutes later and with some posts from several players in between, waiting to make look casual or just back reading?) https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48708221 This struck me as dumbtelling: I really hate the expresssion dumb tell btw https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48708272 Is rinto pretending not know what gruffin was asking him? Jack's reaction to the predictions: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=50#msg48708320 Note: gruffin asks others for their interpretation of this but hasn't offered hers yet. grrr, votes for Jackrito: (37 minutes after he votes for claire and logic had asked why ppl were voting for her) https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=100#msg48708357 I can see why claire would wanna go after grrr if she were town, but I'm still not sure about this. I rarely see grrr playing like this, it could be him just saving you, his scum buddy by creating this whole prediction mess and switching focus to jack and himself -_- (assuming he's scum) I wanna vote for so many ppl right now.... ================================================== I just noticed this: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1571860&show=100#msg48708394 Um, why do you think you sound scummy? and why did you ignore me and gruffin when we told you that you're being asked for analysis not for a prediction? why did you disappear after that? Vote change: Rinto-kun You want pressure votes, here's one, I think I caught a mafioso you guys =O Edit: ridiculous amount of typos.... |
grave_robberNov 26, 2016 4:03 AM
| @_Claire_ I'm leaning towards you being town, but I still don't want to "bite your bait". x3 Vote change: Soren What are your thoughts, now that we've moved out of RVS? |
coromandel said: _Claire_ said: People should also move from RVS and start building pressure instead of just leaving one vote in one person, you know it has no effect on that person whatsoever right? So yes, keep on moving. +1 _Claire_ said: It is just something I want to try, but I believe my vote isnt enough to test my theory or whatever you want to call it. It will work if a train is built up against grrr but I can see nobody will actually build a train now to avoid being suspicious. Also if I say it out loud it will beat the purpose of the theory, wont it? Not sure how I feel about this. Especially since you and grrr are currently the only players with more than 1 vote. At the same time, I'd expect you to be more subtle as scum, if you're trying to sway the votes. *hm* @Phraze Any thoughts so far? @Gruffin Why did you unvote? Wouldn't pressuring someone be better than not voting for anyone? I thought you knew how I played scum. I didnt play like this, did I? Also I am wary of you Coro, knowing how you played in Kaitou's Favourite Mafia. I will observe you a bit more before thinking you are overly doing your play. Also Jack has two votes with me, and I dont think we are gonna lynch Jack Day 1. An asset as town but an assassin as mafia. |
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_Claire_ said: coromandel said: +1 Not sure how I feel about this. Especially since you and grrr are currently the only players with more than 1 vote. At the same time, I'd expect you to be more subtle as scum, if you're trying to sway the votes. *hm* @Phraze Any thoughts so far? @Gruffin Why did you unvote? Wouldn't pressuring someone be better than not voting for anyone? I thought you knew how I played scum. I didnt play like this, did I? Also I am wary of you Coro, knowing how you played in Kaitou's Favourite Mafia. I will observe you a bit more before thinking you are overly doing your play. Also Jack has two votes with me, and I dont think we are gonna lynch Jack Day 1. An asset as town but an assassin as mafia. How do you play as scum? I thought you were doing an excellent job at blending in, that's how I remember your play. It's okay if you're wary of me. I'm wary of you too. :3 |
coromandel said: _Claire_ said: I thought you knew how I played scum. I didnt play like this, did I? Also I am wary of you Coro, knowing how you played in Kaitou's Favourite Mafia. I will observe you a bit more before thinking you are overly doing your play. Also Jack has two votes with me, and I dont think we are gonna lynch Jack Day 1. An asset as town but an assassin as mafia. How do you play as scum? I thought you were doing an excellent job at blending in, that's how I remember your play. It's okay if you're wary of me. I'm wary of you too. :3 Oh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. |
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coromandel said: grave_robber said: @coromandel. have you played with Claire before? I like her bait, I want to bite since both grrr and Jack are hard for me to read especially early game. I like how upfront she is about wanting people to vote for grrr + how she said that she has two theories. People will expect her to explaiin these theories later, and I'm thinking scum would rather not "promise" something like this. But I'm not having a clear town-read on her, it's neutral-town-ish right now. And my current reads on Jack and grrr are more neutral-ish. They're both players I tend to observe for a few phases before actually voting for them. Grrr, I'm actually getting slight town vibes from. (Shocking, I know >.>) grave_robber said: Is claire trying to get the train off of her and unto grrr? I can't remember if grrr claims when about to be lynched, but he's saying he won't. Which makes me wonder... what was he like during those wolf games we played when there was a jumper? once he was town and misunderstood and once he was mafia and was lynched D2 because he had that ability that made him unable to speak. uff.. I don't really remember these games. >.< Do you know which WW game it was exactly? grave_robber said: Who's messing around here? I need a good juicy target for this phase Who wants to vote soren or aa-dono with me? I'm up for voting Rinto too, unlike others, I didn't notice any posts that seemed game related in a productive way. RIP, no one is here but me and the crickets.... I wouldn't mind pressuring Soren. I like that dono is asking questions and is also going against the current flow by voting for Jack instead of grrr. Rinto has been scummy in every game I've played with him. although that doesn't mean we should ignore him. 1) So you're saying she's kind of timid as a mafioso? but why did grrr unvote her so fast? just because logic asked why ppl were voting for claire? and why did no one give much attention to Rinto during that exchange over the predictions? Now claire could be town since the train formed quickly, and imo, your vote on her would be the most suspicious so why would grr unvote her if he was mafia and she was town? just to avoid answering a question? doesn't sound like grrr at all to me. Why must you be like this grrr? -_- 2) Is it how he "caught" Jack that made you think of him as town-ish? 3) I don't remember the version number, but it was the ww game hosted by mafia-host iirc (not the ones hosted by lupa), it was in the forums games board, and it was my 1st time playing with you grrr and conqy. Bryn too I think. The other game where he was mafia, was also hosted by mafia host in the forums games and he was lynched D1 because the inability to speak had more probability of being a mafia skill that being a townie skill. He was indeed mafia. this was back in 2014, maybe if you check mafia-host's profile? she had the links there iirc 4) Looking back at the events around that prediction thing, I'm not sure soren's bad but I wouldn't mind pressuring him. Though he did say he would be AFK most of the phase because he has this volunteer work thing. >_> 5) So Rinto's playstyle is scummy... I still think it's weird that he said he wanted to pressure players, but never did that, he only voted for Luna, avoided giving an analysis when asked for it and just disappeared after that. I like my vote on him. |
I know this is directed at coromandel, but why do you say that? Did she not present the right image of you as mafia? How would you describe your playstyle as mafia then? Also, if you want me to bite, make the target juicy, show my why grrr should be the D1 lynch. |
_Claire_ said: Oh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. Hmm so you answer here, it's not really helpful since you can be bluffing. You see the thing is, Soren said it wasn't an omgus vote, which means he thinks aa-dono's vote on him wasn't purely RVS. This is why I want to vote for either of them, something is wrong here, either they're both town and being strange by going after seemingly innocent gestures or at least 1 of them is anti-town. However, I still remember last game when gruffin (mafia) voted for crossbell (mafia) on day 1 in the exact same way. I don't ever recall soren making an omgus vote, he did set me straight and question gruffin on her analysis of Ruu. I'm neutral on both but I wouldn't mind pressuring them. I still think Rinto is a viable lynch, do you think what I said about him is true? was he slipping through the cracks here while watching grr and jack go after each other? Edit: more typos.... can I just ignore them?! we can blame it on the cold |
grave_robberNov 26, 2016 4:07 AM
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grave_robber said: _Claire_ said: Oh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. Hmm so you answer here, it's not really helpful since you can be bluffing. You see the thing is, Soren said it wasn't an omgus vote, which means he thinks aa-dono's vote on him wasn't purely RVS. This is why I want to vote for either of them, something is wrong here, either they're both town and being strange by going after seemingly innocent gestures. However, I still remember last game when gruffin (mafia) voted for crossbell (mafia) on day 1 in the exact same way. I don't ever recall soren making an omgus vote, he did set me straight and question gruffin on her analysis on Ruu. I'm neutral on both but I wouldn't mind pressuring them. I still think Rinto is a viable lynch, do you think what I said about is true? was he slipping through the cracks here while watching grr and jack go after each other? grave_robber said: _Claire_ said: Oh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. Hmm so you answer here, it's not really helpful since you can be bluffing. You see the thing is, Soren said it wasn't an omgus vote, which means he thinks aa-dono's vote on him wasn't purely RVS. This is why I want to vote for either of them, something is wrong here, either they're both town and being strange by going after seemingly innocent gestures. However, I still remember last game when gruffin (mafia) voted for crossbell (mafia) on day 1 in the exact same way. I don't ever recall soren making an omgus vote, he did set me straight and question gruffin on her analysis on Ruu. I'm neutral on both but I wouldn't mind pressuring them. I still think Rinto is a viable lynch, do you think what I said about is true? was he slipping through the cracks here while watching grr and jack go after each other? Mafia voting for his own scum buddy is not new idea, I have seen it before (they got caught in first two days..) Also it is funny why you think I can be bluffing when Soren can be bluffing as well. Also isnt it more likely for Soren to be bluffing? It was kind of obvious he was bluffing, actually. Him pushing for a lynch was not like that IIRC. Also I refuse to say anything, since he has not shown up yet but it is unlikely I will change my vote to someone else unless something drastic happened. Rinto has not provided enough info for me to analyze, but I will rather you bite my bait :> Talking about slipping through many are not posting as much as I like them to be, so yes. Tbh I read grrr as pushing something out of nothing just for the sake of pushing but you guys read it as "townie" which I cannot comprehend.. Also I like @aa-dono to come out more often please, I like reading you :> |
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_Claire_ said: Tbh I read grrr as pushing something out of nothing just for the sake of pushing but you guys read it as "townie" which I cannot comprehend.. Also I like @aa-dono to come out more often please, I like reading you :> Actually, I never read grrr as town, I clearly said I had a neutral read on him and Jack at best. But he's always been an easy mislynch for mafia in games I've played where people didn't know him well and I don't want to see this happen again. Again, present a case against grrr that would make me want to lynch him over others and I will gladly "bite". I'm not gonna follow the "I have a theory to test" thing. less than 6 hours left.... where is everyone? it's Saturday you guys -_- |
| Fine.... I'm going to have lunch, I'll be back later. People who show up until then, vote! As you can see there's plenty of suspects here. |
_Claire_ said: More on Jack leaning scum than grr is not, but since I did use their interaction for my read, then yeah, I'm sort of defending grrr :/aa-dono said: And I see that you are sort of defending grrr and leaning towards Jack, hm? grave_robber said: I see.aa-dono said: Why didn't you like this question? She asked what you were saying, you weren't saying anything, you were insinuating things, now this is still fresh in our memory so we know you didn't say soren was either faction but in a few phases when we're focused on other things, we might remember her interpretation of the actual post rather than the post itself. Mafia uses subtle forms of manipulation like that, for example, in the previous game, a mafia players said player x started the vote on someone when it was someone else and I went back and corrected them, and the person who had started that bad train was also mafia. So yeah.... I'm not letting my guard down. aa-dono said: Found the answer. I think her question seemed harmless, since I didn't state what I was playing at (which is Soren's sign up post). It's not unusual that you don't remember what others said during their sign-up. Feels like you're either reading it too much or this is an attempt to shade Ruu. Either way, noted. I didn't object to her not remembering, now who's putting word into other people's mouths? I said the way she asked, the wording she used was what caught my attention. Because as you can see in my answer to her question, I had to reply in the same manner of speaking as her but then I changed it because that was not stating facts, it was putting words in your mouth. That's why it mattered to me. see my reply to previous post for more details. You can take note of it, just make that you don't mud fling me when you're accusing me of mud flinging. Though Ruu is right, whether that was her observation or just question, I was calling Soren scum. It was RVS, so it was based on non-game (maybe a little -since RNG) reason, but it's still a reason. grave_robber said: I was busy with chores so I couldn't post continuously. But usually when I make those lone post, only some of those observation turned out to make sense. And most of the time, it gets ignored. Also, last game, Gruffin was mafia and gave his opinions everywhere. So at the time, I was thinking if mafia were active this time, they should pick on scummy behaviours. Like just observing and bidding time (what I tried to do) but I didn't expect Jack was the one who would ask for my read on his interaction.Why wait for someone to ask you for your analysis? What feels unnatural is the omgus vote on you from soren, almost all your posts so far and that fact that you are waiting for someone to tell you to give analysis. I'm keeping my vote on him, but depending on how it goes, he might be town for me. @_Claire_ @grave_robber What about Soren OMGUS vote that was off? Edit: Quote bubble |
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_Claire_ said: I think I can townread you better than scumread you. So if you're not on my townlist later, you're scum :Pcoromandel said: How do you play as scum? I thought you were doing an excellent job at blending in, that's how I remember your play. It's okay if you're wary of me. I'm wary of you too. :3 Oh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. |
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aa-dono said: _Claire_ said: I think I can townread you better than scumread you. So if you're not on my townlist later, you're scum :POh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. It is okay I am confident that you will townread me :> So you are calling Soren scum? Because of the omgus vote? It just seems unlike Soren to do that but knowing you two friendship I can sorta get the.. gesture if you want to call it or... Mafia interaction? *cough* and no that isnt an accusation. |
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| @grave_robber @coromandel as I've played in the last game, as replacement, since no one has died yet I'll just start from here. did some backreading tho @logic340 why did u RVS me? and ur posts this game has not been resourceful. u seem to be holding back on ur opinions, any reason? some other interesting stuff I want to answer xD --------- @Jackrito Meta can be good though and should be used with a mix of behavior the i issue with meta is a person can become aware of their own meta and use it to their adv. Just something to point out a townie is more likely to do scummy posts at times, since they normally don't worry about what they say as much. A scum will be more careful and constructive to avoid posts that can be used on them later. 1. I'm a freeform player. reading meta is like my ticket to winning since I can use it on everyone but me so I detest it...or prefer to use it as a last resort. 2. town/mafia are equally able to do this imo. I seem to be a good target for mislynches, so I'm always making constructive posts. @Gruffin I'm also pretty curious about those three for similar reasons, but I'd add Phraze to the list. I've been snooping in on other ongoing games and she's confused me so many times. I think Phraze and Grrr are two players we have to look out for. If they're town, then scum may try to spin a mislynch on them, but there's also the chance that one or both are scum that could walk free because we're scared to lynch them. Logic's too town for his own good sometimes. x) I hope he's town here, but he'll have to prove himself to me. I'll say this now(as I've said since Camp Crystal) u cannot read me. nice to know u watch my games tho :P this will be my 4th game overall since the last '2nd games' are over for me xD hmm 4 different strategies? |
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_Claire_ said: ????aa-dono said: I think I can townread you better than scumread you. So if you're not on my townlist later, you're scum :P It is okay I am confident that you will townread me :> So you are calling Soren scum? Because of the omgus vote? It just seems unlike Soren to do that but knowing you two friendship I can sorta get the.. gesture if you want to call it or... Mafia interaction? *cough* and no that isnt an accusation. Anyway, no I'm not calling him scum because of the OMGUS vote. I asked why you thought it was off. I was calling him scum in rvs :P Both you and grave seems to think that the vote was weird but to me it seems like a simple rvs. I don't want to dismiss it, so was wondering why you thought it was off. |
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Gruffin said: logic340 said: I've only been town and only have my grave if reference but this seems like something I'd like to eventually add to my game. I want to take the invitative and not be do worried about the scrutiny. #80 it's just a wild prediction and it les to grrr-Jack. I see it a sort of bait post, it could be scummy but it's something that got people taking and looking at each other. As I said I can see a townie mindset but that's not to say there couldn't be other motives at work. Hm. Yeah, I can see how that could be a town post, but I'd like to see more out of him before phase change. What do you think of Claire's #176? You see it as a bait post I don't really see it as that, it comes off to me as a joke comment for him to try and ease into the game perhaps, I think you saying it had a town mindset is a push, and it moved the game foward is a hell of a push |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: I was actually waiting for someone to do this, though I thought Gruffin or someone not you is the one who would tell me that.How about you tell me your own thoughts on it, instead of flipping the question back. Anyway, I agree with grrr that it feels more scum than town. Your reaction to it, I mean. At first I shrugged it off thinking it wasn't anything, but then I realize you got townread/vibe from it. So I tried to see if it does lean towards town. What I get is "No, I don't see town posting that." I do agree that we should have faith in our ability and would love to catch scum by D3. But the way you wrote that feels so orchestrated. Like you're pleasing the ego of town. I know you plan your words regardless of alignment, so that post doesn't give me a red flag. It still makes your scale leans towards scum and less neutral. So Vote Change: Jackrito lol both people I called out have voted me ok then, the amount of criticism I'm getting off a joke comment to Grr and Soren is strange to me, remind me never to not be serious in a mafia game again. I don't do my posts for town rep or whatever at this point in my playing carrear I have hit a point where I will comment on what I want, if this does not fit in with peoples ideal views so be it. |
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aa-dono said: I kinda' want to vote Soren though. To break free of me usually avoid reading him, and because he didn't say RVS hated him = RVS loves him = he's scum. But if I follow this logic, then I have to ignore my suspicion on Jack since Jack said he hates RNG this time, and he love scum role = he got town :'D #ramble I said I hate RVS, don't try to make out I said something different, I don't comment on RNG when it comes to role, because that can lead to later problems of early death or mislynched. |
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aa-dono said: Ruu said: What makes you think Jack respond was townish?Also I think that Jack respond is townish. Saying that town has more chances of winning and that we should trust more in our town abilities seemed pro-town. But now everybody is saying that, that is what a scum would said to get towncred so idk anymore ;-; I don't know if I should listen to the veterans or not... For now I will see Jack as neutral but more townish than scum. Let's see if the senpais are right or my read was correct xD |
Jackrito said: Oh- Sorry ><aa-dono said: I kinda' want to vote Soren though. To break free of me usually avoid reading him, and because he didn't say RVS hated him = RVS loves him = he's scum. But if I follow this logic, then I have to ignore my suspicion on Jack since Jack said he hates RNG this time, and he love scum role = he got town :'D #ramble I said I hate RVS, don't try to make out I said something different, I don't comment on RNG when it comes to role, because that can lead to later problems of early death or mislynched. I just noticed that I mixed them both. |
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Ruu said: I'd like to tell you to hold your ground, but I held my ground before and turned out to be completely wrong so I know what it feels like to want to listen to everyone else's opinion.aa-dono said: What makes you think Jack respond was townish? Saying that town has more chances of winning and that we should trust more in our town abilities seemed pro-town. But now everybody is saying that, that is what a scum would said to get towncred so idk anymore ;-; I don't know if I should listen to the veterans or not... For now I will see Jack as neutral but more townish than scum. Let's see if the senpais are right or my read was correct xD But you should still hold your ground. If everyone think differently from you, then just read why they think differently and sort out whether their opinions match their behaviour or not. (Don't ask me how to do that though, I still have to learn lots on that ;-; ) Anyway, the people who think differently is grrr and me. And I'm not a veteran :P The rest either see it as town move or neutral. |
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grave_robber said: _Claire_ said: Oh really xD I thought I was pretty obvious as scum. Lets not give away how I play as scum, coz you can use it against me later on ;D Actually Soren's omgus on Aa-dono is a bit off. Hmm so you answer here, it's not really helpful since you can be bluffing. You see the thing is, Soren said it wasn't an omgus vote, which means he thinks aa-dono's vote on him wasn't purely RVS. This is why I want to vote for either of them, something is wrong here, either they're both town and being strange by going after seemingly innocent gestures or at least 1 of them is anti-town. However, I still remember last game when gruffin (mafia) voted for crossbell (mafia) on day 1 in the exact same way. I don't ever recall soren making an omgus vote, he did set me straight and question gruffin on her analysis of Ruu. I'm neutral on both but I wouldn't mind pressuring them. I still think Rinto is a viable lynch, do you think what I said about him is true? was he slipping through the cracks here while watching grr and jack go after each other? Edit: more typos.... can I just ignore them?! we can blame it on the cold On Soren and Dono, I need more from Soren to get a read, the early stuff in my view was strange and not great, I know he is busy though, so I won't get that today so will leave them for now, and I know a bit of their scum game like I said eariler. On Dono they are my top suspect at the moment, the way they flipped Gruffin question back annoys me, and I don't think they were waiting for it to be pointed out what does that achieve, their vote on me when pointing it out seemed weak and in my view came from annoyance at been called out. Their reason is pretty bad they even said themselves the post can come from me as town or scum. I also don't like how they misquoted me to make out I said I hate RNG to make me look bad, and they misquoted you to shade as well. Rinto is a risky vote since they are pretty bad as town and scum, they are playing similar to how they played in last game, when I was scum with them though, strangely enough I also was scum with grr in that game both were pretty inactive and added little. I would consider voting Rinto, but with their playstyle it is a easy mislynch for scum to pull off same as wth grr. As others have said Grr seems a lot more on point this game and trying to analyse, hard for me to tell if this is from a town mindset or him wanting to make up for a poor scum game with a good one. Either way I doubt I will vote Grr for today at least, I want more time to work him out. Vote aa-dono |
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Rinto-kun said: Pressure claim?Well, as long as we pressure-claim, we will get to that. :D |
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Jackrito said: There is a reason why I waited it out. Else I'll be filling a page with my lone posts that would tire some people. Plus, I was gonna get back to it, so I don't see how waiting it out is scummy.On Soren and Dono, I need more from Soren to get a read, the early stuff in my view was strange and not great, I know he is busy though, so I won't get that today so will leave them for now, and I know a bit of their scum game like I said eariler. On Dono they are my top suspect at the moment, the way they flipped Gruffin question back annoys me, and I don't think they were waiting for it to be pointed out what does that achieve, their vote on me when pointing it out seemed weak and in my view came from annoyance at been called out. Their reason is pretty bad they even said themselves the post can come from me as town or scum. I also don't like how they misquoted me to make out I said I hate RNG to make me look bad, and they misquoted you to shade as well. That misquotemis-word was a mistake. As for shading, that was intentional. I don't know how else to get a read on people unless I shade them for a reaction first. |
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aa-dono said: Ruu said: I'd like to tell you to hold your ground, but I held my ground before and turned out to be completely wrong so I know what it feels like to want to listen to everyone else's opinion.Saying that town has more chances of winning and that we should trust more in our town abilities seemed pro-town. But now everybody is saying that, that is what a scum would said to get towncred so idk anymore ;-; I don't know if I should listen to the veterans or not... For now I will see Jack as neutral but more townish than scum. Let's see if the senpais are right or my read was correct xD But you should still hold your ground. If everyone think differently from you, then just read why they think differently and sort out whether their opinions match their behaviour or not. (Don't ask me how to do that though, I still have to learn lots on that ;-; ) Anyway, the people who think differently is grrr and me. And I'm not a veteran :P The rest either see it as town move or neutral. I did that on my first game in MS and got @Phraze mislynch - she hasn't forgive me yet ;-; - and I did the same in Clow Mafia with grrr and he turn out to be scum. So I think I will go 50/50 . Keep my vote on someone I think is mafia and also read everything other people have to say about them to see if my reads are correct or not. I don't want to use meta but it's hard not too xD |
grave_robber said: I played one game with Claire as scum. We were scumbuddies there. In her previous scum-game, people said that they caught her because she was less pressuring players, and more defense & comments.I know this is directed at coromandel, but why do you say that? Did she not present the right image of you as mafia? But while we were scum together, she did nothing like that. She led the mislynches, iirc. She even won the game for us. So I wouldn't describe her scum-game as timid. |
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So, you dont have reasons why voting for me except that I am the other "possible" train? Seems like you are trying to defend Grrr or...? You need to realize my train was sorta build when I havent even posted right? *scummy alert on* |
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Phraze said: @aa-dono "Why Claire over grrr?" answer is simple, I want to start a counterwagon. @Ruu consider this meta pressure~ I'm motivated whenever u are around :3 but not in a bad way ofc ahaha I guess that's good? xD I want to be on your good side again >///< Still our interactions are always entertaining :3 |
| You didn't really start it...... But you tied it. If I'm not mistaken, grrr was the counter wagon to Claire's. What I meant to ask was, why do you want to counter grrr's train? Do you think he's town? Or do you find Claire scummy? What do you think of everyone else? |
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