| I've been thinking about this since I last finished Sakamichi no Apollon (not the best example of this, but it got me wondering. Maybe Ping Pong the Animation is a better example?) To clarify, I mean like, Japanese people with black hair/black eyes, hooded eyes and accurate average heights. I've seen people complain about these traits being a result of basic character design but I was curious if it really does hurt an anime's chances of being liked if it's visually accurate. |
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| Well for what anime has become, it does, anime is a genre to itself and has creates a type of look. People want this colorful, strange and cewl look, it makes things more diverse. it would be kinda bland to have a mecha anime with bland realistic characters, I mean animes that are a bit more accurate are like Apollo very low key and sweet, meant to feel real. But most anime... Not that |
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Rick4life said: Well for what anime has become, it does, anime is a genre to itself and has creates a type of look. People want this colorful, strange and cewl look, it makes things more diverse. it would be kinda bland to have a mecha anime with bland realistic characters, I mean animes that are a bit more accurate are like Apollo very low key and sweet, meant to feel real. But most anime... Not that Oh yeah, I see what you mean. That makes a lot of sense, I don't know why I haven't thought of it before. |
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touichirou said: Rick4life said: Well for what anime has become, it does, anime is a genre to itself and has creates a type of look. People want this colorful, strange and cewl look, it makes things more diverse. it would be kinda bland to have a mecha anime with bland realistic characters, I mean animes that are a bit more accurate are like Apollo very low key and sweet, meant to feel real. But most anime... Not that Oh yeah, I see what you mean. That makes a lot of sense, I don't know why I haven't thought of it before. AH is cewl... I have brain farts often... I don't think of anything XD |
On_the_Lam said: Unlike Ping Pong, Apollon actually has decent character design. I'm not a fan of the moe look either anime is famous for, but I'd rather they have their own style than have characters look like real life human beings just for the sake of realism. I see what you're saying, but this leads me back to my original point: Does realistic looking designs equate bad character design? Why is that? It's a realistic show, shouldn't they... look real? |
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| Hunter x Hunter is well-received. SSY is well-received. Let me guess: You think realism = realistic? |
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Mikasa said: Hunter x Hunter is well-received. SSY is well-received. Let me guess: You think realism = realistic? Oh, I meant with the art style, not the plot? Sorry, I honestly have no idea what you mean here. |
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touichirou said: Mikasa said: Hunter x Hunter is well-received. SSY is well-received. Let me guess: You think realism = realistic? Oh, I meant with the art style, not the plot? Sorry, I honestly have no idea what you mean here. Well I meant the plot myself. What do you consider to be "realistic art style" Death Note and Monster are quite well-received. |
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Mikasa said: touichirou said: Oh, I meant with the art style, not the plot? Sorry, I honestly have no idea what you mean here. Well I meant the plot myself. What do you consider to be "realistic art style" Death Note and Monster are quite well-received. Oh, well like I said, japanese characters with black/brown hair and black/brown eyes. I kinda just mean like, if the characters don't have technicolored hair will people still like it, or does the "look" anime have at the moment make people not enjoy it, simply from artistic point of view. |
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touichirou said: Mikasa said: Well I meant the plot myself. What do you consider to be "realistic art style" Death Note and Monster are quite well-received. Oh, well like I said, japanese characters with black/brown hair and black/brown eyes. I kinda just mean like, if the characters don't have technicolored hair will people still like it, or does the "look" anime have at the moment make people not enjoy it, simply from artistic point of view. Well my point stands. Monster looks realistic, and DN too despite having eccentric characters. (and out-worldly ones as well) |
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| then you should try jin roh ,the characters are very japanese looking but they wear those badass gears. |
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bigmustache93 said: then you should try jin roh ,the characters are very japanese looking but they wear those badass gears. woah it looks awesome! not my usual cup of tea but i'll definitely check it out! thanks man :u |
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Mikasa said: touichirou said: Oh, well like I said, japanese characters with black/brown hair and black/brown eyes. I kinda just mean like, if the characters don't have technicolored hair will people still like it, or does the "look" anime have at the moment make people not enjoy it, simply from artistic point of view. Well my point stands. Monster looks realistic, and DN too despite having eccentric characters. (and out-worldly ones as well) Oh, Monster is definitely something that describes what I'm talking about. Although it's older, I really wonder if something like that would be popular in today's market...? |
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On_the_Lam said: touichirou said: I see what you're saying, but this leads me back to my original point: Does realistic looking designs equate bad character design? Why is that? It's a realistic show, shouldn't they... look real? No, I don't believe it does. Character designs can be realistic and ugly, or realistic and beautiful. However, it also depends on what you define as "realistic". Is it more on the lines of Death Note, Berserk, and Ghost in the Shell, or something like Aku no Hana, Ping Pong? The anime industry plays it as safe as possible, with most anime produced in the last 15 years almost exclusively featuring variants of moe designs. Oh okay, I see what you mean now. Although I want to know what makes the Ping Pong character designs "bad" to you? |
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touichirou said: bigmustache93 said: then you should try jin roh ,the characters are very japanese looking but they wear those badass gears. woah it looks awesome! not my usual cup of tea but i'll definitely check it out! thanks man :u no problem bro,make sure to watch it and pay attention to some conversations cuz it is very important to understand the twist in the end . |
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On_the_Lam said: touichirou said: Oh okay, I see what you mean now. Although I want to know what makes the Ping Pong character designs "bad" to you? Would it be racist if I said they're too asian? Also... http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/pingpong-ep6.gif this. Well... I'm not Asian but I would say yeah, it is racist? I don't know what else you'd expect? It's a Japanese show, so the characters are going to be Japanese. If they're going to make a realistic anime, then they're not going to make the characters white. That's just absurd and is self-centered to think, honestly. |
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| I don't think Ping Pong is a good example of realistic visuals. I love the show more than almost any other anime but realistic visuals is not what I'd contribute that too. That makes me think more of shows like Nodame Cantabile and whatnot, shows that aren't stylized in any way. Also anything animated by Hiroyuki Okiura. I don't think I've seen any japanese animator having a more realistic style. |
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Pullman said: I don't think Ping Pong is a good example of realistic visuals. I love the show more than almost any other anime but realistic visuals is not what I'd contribute that too. That makes me think more of shows like Nodame Cantabile and whatnot, shows that aren't stylized in any way. Also anything animated by Hiroyuki Okiura. I don't think I've seen any japanese animator having a more realistic style. Oh, that's an interesting comparison. A quick google has me agreeing with you on Nodame Cantabile (it definitely gives me a Sakamichi no Apollon vibe), but in terms of comparing anime to real life, Ping Pong is for sure my definition of realistic, with it's art style and almost rotoscope-like animation. I dunno, I feel like there's almost two categories with what I'm thinking of: anime art style realism and actual characters that look Asian realism. |
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Yes. This was really a decent movie, but it's score is on the lower end: Paul said: Yea, when you add a nose to the character design, the score value gets deducted by 1 point. Poor Kaiji...  |
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MortalMelancholy said: Yes. This was really a decent movie, but it's score is on the lower end: Paul said: Yea, when you add a nose to the character design, the score value gets deducted by 1 point. Poor Kaiji... i'm not sure if you're joking or not but either way that movie's got some real uncanny valley stuff happening |
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touichirou said: MortalMelancholy said: Yes. This was really a decent movie, but it's score is on the lower end: Poor Kaiji... i'm not sure if you're joking or not but either way that movie's got some real uncanny valley stuff happening I don't understand what you're trying to say? It looks realistic, and it was pretty good, particularly for 2001 CGI. |
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| It has to actually be realistic and not "everybody is ugly". Monster is a good example of that |
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MortalMelancholy said: touichirou said: i'm not sure if you're joking or not but either way that movie's got some real uncanny valley stuff happening I don't understand what you're trying to say? It looks realistic, and it was pretty good, particularly for 2001 CGI. ahhh my bad! i'm just like, super wary of people on this site because everyone's kinda mean >.< but also yeah it does look really good for it's time (2001???) but i'm more thinking in the context of 2d animation! |
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| Since people are talking about the old FF movie here I have to bring up Kingslglaive (the FFV movie). That was really on another level in terms of realistic designs. In some scenes I really thought they were using real actors. touichirou said: Pullman said: I don't think Ping Pong is a good example of realistic visuals. I love the show more than almost any other anime but realistic visuals is not what I'd contribute that too. That makes me think more of shows like Nodame Cantabile and whatnot, shows that aren't stylized in any way. Also anything animated by Hiroyuki Okiura. I don't think I've seen any japanese animator having a more realistic style. Oh, that's an interesting comparison. A quick google has me agreeing with you on Nodame Cantabile (it definitely gives me a Sakamichi no Apollon vibe), but in terms of comparing anime to real life, Ping Pong is for sure my definition of realistic, with it's art style and almost rotoscope-like animation. I dunno, I feel like there's almost two categories with what I'm thinking of: anime art style realism and actual characters that look Asian realism. Yeah that's what I was going for. Designs being realistic in the sense of not having exaggerated hair colors and other features and them being realistic in terms of proportions and overall artstyle are two different things. Ping Pong is very stylized so while the characters themselves are realistic I wouldn't call the artstyle in general realistic. I remember a bunch of scenes where proportions were all over the place in that show, and while it enhanced the experience in particular scenes I have trouble calling it realistic in the strict sense. |
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Pullman said: Since people are talking about the old FF movie here I have to bring up Kingslglaive (the FFV movie). That was really on another level in terms of realistic designs. In some scenes I really thought they were using real actors. touichirou said: Oh, that's an interesting comparison. A quick google has me agreeing with you on Nodame Cantabile (it definitely gives me a Sakamichi no Apollon vibe), but in terms of comparing anime to real life, Ping Pong is for sure my definition of realistic, with it's art style and almost rotoscope-like animation. I dunno, I feel like there's almost two categories with what I'm thinking of: anime art style realism and actual characters that look Asian realism. Yeah that's what I was going for. Designs being realistic in the sense of not having exaggerated hair colors and other features and them being realistic in terms of proportions and overall artstyle are two different things. Ping Pong is very stylized so while the characters themselves are realistic I wouldn't call the artstyle in general realistic. I remember a bunch of scenes where proportions were all over the place in that show, and while it enhanced the experience in particular scenes I have trouble calling it realistic in the strict sense. Not to mention this guys hairstyle  Not my idea of realistic. |
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| It usually scores higher because "muh realism". And Ping Pong the animation is not realistic, either in presentation or writing. |
| That happens usually in Shoujo and Josei... Shounen is a little more different. Creators wish to have characters that stand out in the anime culture not only in the anime universe. Realist or simple art style is not a very good ideea trough. I had read a bunch of manga where I had dificulties in distinguishing the characters due to the simple/realist designs. Asians are very different from each other (design wise) in real life... what makes you belive that it would better in 2D animation? |
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| Well, fancy looks is a plus in general. It is fiction after all, you can create any kind of person, and it is nice to watch beautiful characters in different colors. That said, I think, as long as an anime had an interesting plot, likeable characters, a sufficient amount of character development, the design does not matter. Personally I like realistic anime, and definitely enjoyed Kids on rhe Slope a lot! It's much better than some of the unrealistic shows that portray beautiful characters. Content is more important than form. |
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| Whether it is an anime or a manga I just don't mind as long as the animation/drawings is well made and the plot is good! I may even like it more sometimes. Some say realistic looking characters are too similar and hardly recognizable, but it is so just if they are badly animated/drawed.. forr istance in 20th Century Boys I think the characters were quite recognizable..  |
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