Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 17 Discussion

Jul 25, 2016 5:56 AM

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Why they had to kill Rem again :(
And Subaru, he will go insane if this keeps up ;-;
And puck at last, scaryyyy.

Jul 25, 2016 5:59 AM

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SigOpram said:

bacapo said:

She just did what Subaru wish, getting killed. By sending Subaru and Emilia to witch cult there no reason to massacre the village and mansion anymore.

@bacapo @kemix @On_the_Lam

I believe she knew that Puck would go rampage once Puck knew that Emilia was already dead. This would destroy the mansion and thus she teleported them out of the mansion. It's not that she knew where the witch cult were located. It was probably a coincidence and the fact that he's shouting out loud. The cult being around the vicinity is also not out of place since they're attack is more or less a day away.

Why didn't Beatrice get rid of Emilia's body the other times the massacre occurred, to prevent Puck from going berserk? Unless the cult was planning on killing everyone in the village, and not just Emilia...

In this episode, Beatrice's actions and behavior makes it seem as if she was aware what was going to happen all along. She wasn't shocked at all seeing Emilia die.

Jul 25, 2016 6:05 AM

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At this point i already feel like subaru needs a break. the suffering is too much that i literally teared up a bit during some parts of this ep. Also beetlejuice managed to creep me out in this episode, even more than his first introduction.

Jul 25, 2016 6:08 AM

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Jakez123 said:

Judgment526 said:

He wasn't even able to confirm Rem's death with his own eyes. Emilia, on the other hand, was indisputably stone cold dead. Moreover, hearing that even Emilia had forgotten about Rem was what triggered him to tell her his secret even if it killed him. You see what I'm getting at here? He was prepared to die at that point.

Precisely, unfortunately, if it isn't spelled out for people, they won't understand. Furthermore, keep in mind he also personally killed Emilia by accident after telling her his secret (which he was prepared to die for), of course he's going to be even more suicidal, he legit killed the person the loved by accident inadvertently. I mean, we can look at it like that, or we can just say "lel subaru is a flip-flop who can't make up his mind lelelelel, bad main character"

The end of the episode fucked him over even more when he inadvertedly helped the one he swore his revenge to.

Jul 25, 2016 6:15 AM

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Goddamn white whale and its best girl deleting techniques... I want to see Reinhard slay that bastard.

Shite. I didn't expect that to happen to Emilia at all. Subaru's heart molestation was like my first chest pain last night before watching this.

Ram and Beatrice are back. Yay. But their behaviors are nonchalant as usual, even with all the shit that's happened.

Papa Puck with the corpse defensive. I've got to hand it to Betelguese for managing to become creepier than usual. Ugh, the fingers.

Jul 25, 2016 6:16 AM

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so how did Betelgueuse recognize Subaru ? didn't he die and reappear to a moment before they met ?

Jul 25, 2016 6:16 AM

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Wow, this episode went by quickly before I knew it. Glad I binge-watched this series a few days ago :p

Still, this episode is damn creepy. In fact, this series went from very humorous to suddenly very, very dark. There are several things that I already figured out (like everyone forgetting about Rem after her existence was "erased" by the White Whale and Beatrice apparently knowing it all, something which I already got a hunch of when Subaru died the 1st time in Arc 2 and went into Beatrice's library), but there are also several things I didn't expect (like Emilia suddenly dying; I was like What the hell?)

Now, there are just a few questions that I will be curious to know the answers to in the next few episodes (don't answer them; I'm just thinking out loud). Things like how is it that Subaru can suddenly see the Unseen Hands (perhaps he "levelled" up or was powered up by the Witch or something?) and Puck calling Emilia its daughter (is Puck secretly Emilia's mother?).

And I foresee this arc will last all the way to the end of this season, because from what I heard, Arc 4 is even longer than this, and with only 8 episodes left, it's unlikely that Arc 4 will be in this season).

Soufou27 said:
so how did Betelgueuse recognize Subaru ? didn't he die and reappear to a moment before they met ?

I don't think he recognizes him, really. He's just acting like he usually does (like when he said I've been waiting for you, I think he's just meant to say he's been looking forward to seeing another believer in love).

eplipswichJul 25, 2016 6:21 AM

Jul 25, 2016 6:19 AM

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Soufou27 said:
so how did Betelgueuse recognize Subaru ? didn't he die and reappear to a moment before they met ?

Indeed, but beteljuice is aware of Subaru due to his unique smell, or "Love" as he calls it. Even though this is his first time meeting Subaru in this loop, he's always been aware of him due to his smell.

Jul 25, 2016 6:27 AM

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was a great ep but my god the suffering is real in this series and it looks like it aint gonna stop any time soon either

not to mention what happened to Rem TmT

"one step at a time"

Jul 25, 2016 6:29 AM

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Man, just kills Subaru already. This loop is total hell. Rather than forgetting, the White Whale seems to delete people from existence, that's nuts.

Jul 25, 2016 6:35 AM

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What did Beatrice mean when she said that Subaru really doesn't know anything? I hope he asks that in the next loop.

For instance to Crusch

>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.

Jul 25, 2016 6:35 AM

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It seems My Speculation is Correct that Puck Really Is True Identity Of Satella The Witch Of Jealous Herself.

Jul 25, 2016 7:02 AM

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The mc is a legit dumb mf.
He's like this fucking friend who wanna play dark souls but keeps on getting roasted by the dragon at the beginning because he's too fucking stupid to find another path.

Jul 25, 2016 7:05 AM

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SeerHu said:
It seems My Speculation is Correct that Puck Really Is True Identity Of Satella The Witch Of Jealous Herself.

*Facepalms*

People are still taking the daughter thing literally. I'll just wait for the anime to prove you wrong.

Jul 25, 2016 7:06 AM

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Looks like Rem won't be REMembered anymore.

Sorry.

Jul 25, 2016 7:06 AM

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SeerHu said:
It seems My Speculation is Correct that Puck Really Is True Identity Of Satella The Witch Of Jealous Herself.

I don't buy this. I still believe she is actually the hand that appears whenever Subaru tells about his shinimodori.

Anyway, got the chills when I heard the ED OST. Great episode as always.

Jul 25, 2016 7:08 AM

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Maledict said:
Lmao, saw this on another site and just... well sums up the show nicely:

hahahahaha perfect.

sic mundus

Jul 25, 2016 7:13 AM

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NO BRAKES ON THE EDGE TRAIN! COMMENCE RANDOM DEATHS FOR SHOCK FACTOR!

Jul 25, 2016 7:43 AM

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How cool would it be to have Subaru overthrow the actual boss of the witch cult, be the next evil-crazy-cultist who try to reincarnate the witch into Emilia body and having Rem trying to save him (she is alive somewhere...right ? ).

With all the stuff he is going through i'm still waiting to see him 'accept' the witch power and going batshit crazy

Jul 25, 2016 7:43 AM

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SeerHu said:
It seems My Speculation is Correct that Puck Really Is True Identity Of Satella The Witch Of Jealous Herself.

wrong by a mile

Beatrice described Satella as someone who can't converse, nor doesn't know how to love. Puck obviously has words and he/she loves his/her daughter.

>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.

Jul 25, 2016 7:54 AM

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Shigure said:
Looks like Rem won't be REMembered anymore.

Sorry.

Who is Rem? I think you meant Ram.

Jul 25, 2016 7:55 AM

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What a crazy episode! I really have many questions now, the most important one is: how the heck did Emilia died? these black hands seems to attack the internal body (for Subaru at least), so how come there so much blood? well I just can't make a reasonable theory about it.

At the end scene I was expecting "the jealous witch" to save her, but Puck? and her saving her "daughter"? *sigh* what a cliffhanger...

despite being very crazy and annoying, I think I like him as an antagonist character.

Jul 25, 2016 7:57 AM

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Whoa I thought for a sec there Subaru is finally going to tell Emilia about his Return by Death ability but I never expect that those hands kill Emilia ( I thought they would just warn or kill him).

Well now that Emilia is dead and Rem is gone, I guess he have to restart everything again !!

Jul 25, 2016 8:10 AM

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Benphyre said:

rather than taking it too seriously, the Emilia vs Rem waifu war is much more irritating. every fucking week you see these same people posting the same shit

Yap, i'm tired of seeing people arguing about "why our MC is so freaking dumb" and "emilia vs rem". I think Nisekoi forum is more suitable place for them to do that waifu war thing.

Jul 25, 2016 8:11 AM

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So now what? Remu is gone forever?.... damn it

Jul 25, 2016 8:21 AM

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i'm actually getting kinda tired of subaru being so useless now. up until this episode i was fine with it, mostly because it was believable - most of us would've been dead long before now. (i know he cheats with return by death, but y'know what i mean.)

i know he's always been pathetic, but this episode really... like, i brought this point up with a friend in private, but is he EVER gonna try and learn some survival skills? we saw him practice some swordsmanship a few episodes ago i guess... and don't get me wrong, i know that everything that's happening is pretty chaotic and would wreck havoc on anyone's emotions, so that's probably been the least of his worries right now...

i can justify it all i want but him blubbering during the white whale scene really didn't sit right with me for some reason. :/

and on top of that, the way he handled the situation with emelia. like, seriously?! are you FUCKING kidding me dude... this was the first time i got slapped in the face hard by 'anime logic' in this show (at least in terms of character interaction), which was really disappointing. i got so frustrated that he didn't just TELL her what was going to happen. sure, she wouldn't have believed him, and she would've died anyway, but that's besides the point. :|

i've been on the subaru defence squad this whole time and now even i'm getting fed up of him. -_-

on a positive note, i was ecstatic over the new things we learnt this episode!

there were a few things, but i'd like to concentrate on the final scene. (spoiler is just speculation, but, just in case y'know?)

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Jul 25, 2016 8:33 AM

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Jul 25, 2016 8:49 AM

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Nigami_Shin said:
all of those who say subaru doesn't know how many "restarts" he gets - that shows already how stupid he and the writing is.

it's very unlikely that the person who gave him this ability, did it just for fun and let's him die for no reason after x deaths - especially since he/she/it made sure subaru can't talk about it.
furthermore he could check after every rebirth if the curse is still active by talking about it ("ehm you know i can rebirt......")

the big problem, next to the bad mc, is that they don't use his ability in a smart way (bad writing). for example. instead of trying to safe emilia over and over again, he should invest the time to get this military lady (or one of the other candidates) to trust him and then ask her to share a secret with him (favorite toy as a child, ...) or memorize the clothes from her wardrobe, etc.
now he could use those information to his advantage the next time he needs help with the cult ("i can see the future....your favorite toy was x...you told me")

at the moment it's just him running against a wall

I believe others have said some of the stuff I wanted to say but the main thing is as far as testing his power goes or just learn by trial and error is pretty much a catch 22 at this point. He could be damned either way and one could say it is his pride in wanting to be the hero that leads him to ride out each life and hope for the best instead of testing it out each and every time. If the criticism on him being dumb for doing that, I can understand and somewhat agree with it.

Now as far as spending obscene amounts of time with each candidate ground hog style just to get there help is far more trouble than it's worth. It could take him more than the time limit to get them to help not to mention the amount of episodes needed to devote to that is too long. People barely can stand the main plot, I doubt they could stand critical but ultimately boring mini dates episodes each week. Also it just becomes ship porn at that point while the torture, as obsessively as it is, does serve a key point.

This also leads me to believe this show is far better suited to be binge watched in 1 go instead of waiting week to week judging from the "oh he is just doing the same shit this week too" criticisms.

Jul 25, 2016 8:49 AM

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Jakez123 said:
Reading some of these posts lel.

I see many people saying "Why don't you tell Emilia that the Witch's cult is coming?"

Like really? The second he says to Emilia that the witch's cult is coming, she's obviously going to say "How do you know that?" and from there, it's checkmate, Subaru can't say how he knows, and even if he made some bullshit reason "I can see the future", I doubt Emilia will believe him, especially after the crazed argument they had like 4 episodes ago. She'll most likely throw it off as ramblings and an excuse for Subaru to be with her, and then she'll be like "Why are you doing this for me?" and of course Subaru can't answer again, because he can't mention Arc 1 loop 1.

I mean when he tried it with Crusch, she didn't believe him, hell, even Rem didn't fully believe Subaru and she's obedient as fuck, and you believe Emilia, who just had an argument with Subaru a few days ago is going to drop everything for her royal candidacy to run away with Subaru until the ordeal is over? What world are we living in?

And this is all based on the assumption that him saying something like "I can see the future" won't trigger the black hands, it's pretty evident that it's aware of it's surroundings, considering it only comes when he specifically mentions his powers, and the way it stroked his heart. There's no saying that it won't just be like "Nope", and instagib Emilia.

Me and my friends discussed this before, we thought about why Subaru doesn't just go into an isolated area, and just write a letter/Record a voice message on his phone, then hand that to Emilia/Rem, tell them to read/listen to it in approx 10 minutes, whilst he walks away, and see what happens after 10 minutes or so.

Slightly unrelated, but that's one reason why I liked Code Geass, Lelouch properly tested his Geass to get all the information he could (Range of his Geass, length, how many questions he can ask, how many times he can use it, if it reflects off surfaces etc.). But then again, Subaru can't really do that, he may think he'll get perma-killed if he speaks, nor does he know how many times he can reset.

Long post, but eh.

Couldn't he have come up with a white lie that he overheard a member of the cult?

Jul 25, 2016 9:05 AM

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Jakez123 said:

Judgment526 said:

He wasn't even able to confirm Rem's death with his own eyes. Emilia, on the other hand, was indisputably stone cold dead. Moreover, hearing that even Emilia had forgotten about Rem was what triggered him to tell her his secret even if it killed him. You see what I'm getting at here? He was prepared to die at that point.

Precisely, unfortunately, if it isn't spelled out for people, they won't understand. Furthermore, keep in mind he also personally killed Emilia by accident after telling her his secret (which he was prepared to die for), of course he's going to be even more suicidal, he legit killed the person the loved by accident inadvertently. I mean, we can look at it like that, or we can just say "lel subaru is a flip-flop who can't make up his mind lelelelel, bad main character"

LOL at people saying he Abandoned rem , dude he didn't want to let her go but she gone on her own anyway
after that he wanted to go back but otto didn't let him , he was pushed and meted the whale face to face it would be scary as f*ck the dude lost him mind , after he wake up the first thing he search for is rem , in the end the gultey eat him until he say "screw it i will kill myself and done with it " but emillia dies in his place

you have a lot of reason to hate subaru and the way he treat him isn't one of them

Jul 25, 2016 9:07 AM

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atsushi-kunn said:
So now what? Remu is gone forever?.... damn it

Not yet i would say

Jul 25, 2016 9:08 AM

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Devil_Slayer said:

Jakez123 said:

Precisely, unfortunately, if it isn't spelled out for people, they won't understand. Furthermore, keep in mind he also personally killed Emilia by accident after telling her his secret (which he was prepared to die for), of course he's going to be even more suicidal, he legit killed the person the loved by accident inadvertently. I mean, we can look at it like that, or we can just say "lel subaru is a flip-flop who can't make up his mind lelelelel, bad main character"

LOL at people saying he Abandoned rem , dude he didn't want to let her go but she gone on her own anyway
after that he wanted to go back but otto didn't let him , he was pushed and meted the whale face to face it would be scary as f*ck the dude lost him mind , after he wake up the first thing he search for is rem , in the end the gultey eat him until he say "screw it i will kill myself and done with it " but emillia dies in his place

you have a lot of reason to hate subaru and the way he treat him isn't one of them

What I'm trying to figure out is if at that point he went screw it, why did he give one last attempt at trying to get Emilia out? He didn't even use a planned white lie. Was it just because a small part of him still wanted to get her out while most of himself wanted to just die?

Jul 25, 2016 9:16 AM

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fishpun said:

[spoiler]i wonder if the witch is 'breaking him in', so to speak. like a new saddle. if we're to believe subaru really IS sloth, then maybe each sin/ner began as a normal (i use this term loosely considering humanoid animals are roaming this place...) person, but the witch twisted their minds into thinking that she was blessing them with 'love'? basically, i think what we're looking at is the homucifer syndrome working its magic again lol

This theory makes a lot of sense. Like don't you think the hands that grasp his heart are similar to sloth's (beetleguise's) invisible hands or whatever. And they always appear to come from him and this episode basically confirmed that they are able to interact with physical things outside his body. Seems a lot like that sloth guy's powers

Jul 25, 2016 9:20 AM

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Buck_Wade said:

What I'm trying to figure out is if at that point he went screw it, why did he give one last attempt at trying to get Emilia out? He didn't even use a planned white lie. Was it just because a small part of him still wanted to get her out while most of himself wanted to just die?

I think it was pretty clear at that point that he was loosing his mind and his ability to think rationally. He was probably just desperate to do anything to change the coarse of time(make it better). Seemed like he was having major self confidence issues too.

Jul 25, 2016 9:23 AM

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Buck_Wade said:

Devil_Slayer said:

Jakez123 said:

Judgment526 said:

hpsthemaskedman said:

Judgment526 said:

hpsthemaskedman said:
I still do not understand the storyline of this anime,The MC never wanted to know what was going on. better to save them by not knowing what happened. The characteristics Subaru is too plain and frequently changing. In the previous episode subaru willing to die in order to know who killed them, but now he begged for his life. From the beginning I did not know of this anime is the reason why subaru get there? What is its purpose? Who caused it? And what the problem is happening there? Everything that happens does not lead to a conclusion.

It took a lot of determination and self-persuasion on Saburu's part before he summoned up the courage to suicide that one time.

The natural reaction when faced with imminent death is to be afraid, and cling desperately to life. Once everything that has come to pass has had time to sink in, it's likely that Subaru would welcome death. Emilia dying because of him was the last straw for Subaru, which is why it was only then that he asked to be killed.

After all what happened she did not want to die for Rem? Very silly when he asked to die when he saw emilia dead. Subaru just a jerk, I do not know why he was so interested in emilia even when he saw Rem died many times in front of him.

He wasn't even able to confirm Rem's death with his own eyes. Emilia, on the other hand, was indisputably stone cold dead. Moreover, hearing that even Emilia had forgotten about Rem was what triggered him to tell her his secret even if it killed him. You see what I'm getting at here? He was prepared to die at that point.

Precisely, unfortunately, if it isn't spelled out for people, they won't understand. Furthermore, keep in mind he also personally killed Emilia by accident after telling her his secret (which he was prepared to die for), of course he's going to be even more suicidal, he legit killed the person the loved by accident inadvertently. I mean, we can look at it like that, or we can just say "lel subaru is a flip-flop who can't make up his mind lelelelel, bad main character"

LOL at people saying he Abandoned rem , dude he didn't want to let her go but she gone on her own anyway
after that he wanted to go back but otto didn't let him , he was pushed and meted the whale face to face it would be scary as f*ck the dude lost him mind , after he wake up the first thing he search for is rem , in the end the gultey eat him until he say "screw it i will kill myself and done with it " but emillia dies in his place

you have a lot of reason to hate subaru and the way he treat him isn't one of them

What I'm trying to figure out is if at that point he went screw it, why did he give one last attempt at trying to get Emilia out? He didn't even use a planned white lie. Was it just because a small part of him still wanted to get her out while most of himself wanted to just die?

Screw it mean he doesn't give a shit anymore after he came to accept rem's death he was he was guilty as fuck and said since he is here he must do something for Rem's sake "which is saving emilia " when nobody doesn't even remember rem he said screw it so he was more like "I want someone to understand me " more than "i want to save emillia " since he didn't even killed himself after she died ...there is when he really said i am done with this shit

next ep will be about him not giving shit about anyone

Jul 25, 2016 9:24 AM

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Baka-man said:

Buck_Wade said:

What I'm trying to figure out is if at that point he went screw it, why did he give one last attempt at trying to get Emilia out? He didn't even use a planned white lie. Was it just because a small part of him still wanted to get her out while most of himself wanted to just die?

I think it was pretty clear at that point that he was loosing his mind and his ability to think rationally. He was probably just desperate to do anything to change the coarse of time(make it better). Seemed like he was having major self confidence issues too.

Damn, at this point I feel like I'm trying to study the human psyche. I'm guessing that another reason why he decided to tell Emilia even though from his perspective everything would reset is that he became so frustrated that he just wanted to let it all out, even though it wouldn't matter in the long run.

Jul 25, 2016 9:25 AM

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Too much hype for ep 18 please don't do this to us studio ....

Jul 25, 2016 9:26 AM

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Devil_Slayer said:

Buck_Wade said:

Devil_Slayer said:

Jakez123 said:

Judgment526 said:

hpsthemaskedman said:

Judgment526 said:

hpsthemaskedman said:
I still do not understand the storyline of this anime,The MC never wanted to know what was going on. better to save them by not knowing what happened. The characteristics Subaru is too plain and frequently changing. In the previous episode subaru willing to die in order to know who killed them, but now he begged for his life. From the beginning I did not know of this anime is the reason why subaru get there? What is its purpose? Who caused it? And what the problem is happening there? Everything that happens does not lead to a conclusion.

It took a lot of determination and self-persuasion on Saburu's part before he summoned up the courage to suicide that one time.

The natural reaction when faced with imminent death is to be afraid, and cling desperately to life. Once everything that has come to pass has had time to sink in, it's likely that Subaru would welcome death. Emilia dying because of him was the last straw for Subaru, which is why it was only then that he asked to be killed.

After all what happened she did not want to die for Rem? Very silly when he asked to die when he saw emilia dead. Subaru just a jerk, I do not know why he was so interested in emilia even when he saw Rem died many times in front of him.

He wasn't even able to confirm Rem's death with his own eyes. Emilia, on the other hand, was indisputably stone cold dead. Moreover, hearing that even Emilia had forgotten about Rem was what triggered him to tell her his secret even if it killed him. You see what I'm getting at here? He was prepared to die at that point.

Precisely, unfortunately, if it isn't spelled out for people, they won't understand. Furthermore, keep in mind he also personally killed Emilia by accident after telling her his secret (which he was prepared to die for), of course he's going to be even more suicidal, he legit killed the person the loved by accident inadvertently. I mean, we can look at it like that, or we can just say "lel subaru is a flip-flop who can't make up his mind lelelelel, bad main character"

LOL at people saying he Abandoned rem , dude he didn't want to let her go but she gone on her own anyway
after that he wanted to go back but otto didn't let him , he was pushed and meted the whale face to face it would be scary as f*ck the dude lost him mind , after he wake up the first thing he search for is rem , in the end the gultey eat him until he say "screw it i will kill myself and done with it " but emillia dies in his place

you have a lot of reason to hate subaru and the way he treat him isn't one of them

What I'm trying to figure out is if at that point he went screw it, why did he give one last attempt at trying to get Emilia out? He didn't even use a planned white lie. Was it just because a small part of him still wanted to get her out while most of himself wanted to just die?

Screw it mean he doesn't give a shit anymore after he came to accept rem's death he was he was guilty as fuck and said since he is here he must do something *for Rem's sake* "which is saving emilia " when nobody doesn't even remember rem he said screw it so he was more like "I want someone to understand me " more than "i want to save emillia " since he didn't even killed himself after she died ...there is when he really said i am done with this shit

next ep will be about him not giving shit about anyone

Yeah, I should rewatch whatever scene he said that in. But yes, he was already at the suicidal point before confronting Emilia. Most likely, once even she forgot, THAT'S when he realized that NOBODY would remember Rem. With that hope gone, he breaks...
I don't think I've ever felt this bad for a fictional character before.

Wait, if next ep is Subaru not giving a shit about anyone, he's going to have a badass moment?!

Jul 25, 2016 9:28 AM

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Red_Ranger_Wien said:

NoobSoul48 said:

starting to wonder this myself with all the "mc is dumb and stupid" posts despite numerous explanations of why the mc is the way he is and what is actually going on. Starting to feel like the white whale visited their reading comprehension skills too.

on another note, where is this glorious translated LN? Need to throw ample amounts of money at the author.

Because Subaru acts stupidly even when you take his situation into account.

Oh, and if you're looking for official English it got licensed by Yen Press and the first volume's out sometime in 2017. Have fun waiting half a year for each volume after that.

I am curious to know how is he suppose to not act stupid at this point, because keep in mind he is still on the save file where he asked for help and got rejected.
Was he acting stupid during his talk with emilia? Sure but he resolved to tell her even if he died just to change something because he saw the conversation was going the same way as when he told the other candidates. The story doesn't bother showing pointless attempts to tell her in other ways because they can be rational explained why it will fail in earlier posts in this thread and instead introduced information that let's us know the witch is not only watching, but she is more than capable in making sure he can't tell anyone. The season is quickly running out of episodes and it seems it is doing it's best to weed out pointless information. In the LN, I have no idea but to me, the information the mc knows is very little and is in a constant state of panic to bother finding out.

We the audience have more information that he does, while he has more information than the people he interacts with that he cannot explain for non-suspicious reasons. However they key here is the people's perception and what they know. That is the one thing the mc and the audience don't know. We don't know how their world and politics work with absolute certainty. We don't know how big of a deal it is that someone like him can "rub elbows" with the nations next ruler. So based on that, even if he doesn't act stupid he can still appear stupid depending on how the people around him react despite his attempts to act better/smarter. Because so far, the mc has tried different more logical ways to fix this but keeps failing due to things we do not fully understand.

1. The candidates will not help just because some guy has info that they shouldn't and even then it's for a rival.

2. He tries to hire caravans to evacuate the town but white whale shows up and basically ruins that plan.

3. Can't stop rem from dying because she is stronger than him and can just knock him out while going off to die. words don't matter to a lovesick girl committed to save her precious senpai.

4. Quickly realized his talk with emilia was going no where and decides to tell her why she should trust him. Oops! now she is dead because the witch don't play that shit.

5. Only then he realizes shit has gone way too south to fix and needs to die. Problems is he prefers someone to quickly kill him instead of doing it himself because he pretty much knows his natural instinct to live will keep kicking in to prevent him from offing himself.

Again, this is all happening in one save file. I cannot see anyone in the same situation acting smart.

@ LN:, dammit! I really want to read and find out more. oh well thanks for the info guys

NoobSoul48Jul 25, 2016 9:32 AM

Jul 25, 2016 9:30 AM

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IMO after steins gate, this is the best show that is able to portray the loneliness that accompanies time travel. The part where Subaru loses his mind while talking to emilia was just damn.

Jul 25, 2016 9:31 AM

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