Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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May 29, 2016 10:51 AM
#251
Regarding the pacing: What volume and chapter does Rem transform into her Ogre form the first time in the forest in front of Subaru? |
May 29, 2016 11:25 AM
#252
Stark700 said: Regarding the pacing: What volume and chapter does Rem transform into her Ogre form the first time in the forest in front of Subaru? I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. |
May 29, 2016 11:31 AM
#253
DarklordVor said: Stark700 said: Regarding the pacing: What volume and chapter does Rem transform into her Ogre form the first time in the forest in front of Subaru? I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Ah thanks :p Do you know many chapters are there for volume 3? By this reply, it looks like arc 2 is the shortest so far. |
May 29, 2016 11:34 AM
#254
Stark700 said: DarklordVor said: Stark700 said: Regarding the pacing: What volume and chapter does Rem transform into her Ogre form the first time in the forest in front of Subaru? I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Ah thanks :p Do you know many chapters are there for volume 3? By this reply, it looks like arc 2 is the shortest so far. No problem :p There are 5 chapters + epilogue. Though there is a small interlude in between chapter 4 and 5. |
May 29, 2016 6:40 PM
#255
DarklordVor said: I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Wow, then episode 9 adapted so much. If they are giving fragment chapter as 9 volume bonus I think they are going to adapt everything before it, otherwise this would not make sense. Can you please explain what is the fragment chapter exactly? Is it an epilogue to arc3? Or a different ending to the arc? Or a continuous after arc 3? |
May 31, 2016 7:03 AM
#256
@Fappa @DarklordVor Hi there. Can you confirm this for me? Originally Posted by larethian View Post I won't judge which is 'better' or 'worse' in M-satisfaction, just that they are different I finally have time to go through this spoiler properly. I don't know how accurate this is for WN since I didn't read the parts supposedly covered by the LN, but it's vastly different from what I've read and it's a lot less brutal and less sadistic in the LN I'll briefly highlight the main differences: Spoiler for comparison with LN: Show volume 4: Setup for arc 3 focusing royal selection and introduction of new cast seems more or less the same volume 5: 1st iteration: - staying at Crush's residence is more or less the same - Rem senses from Ram (twin connection) that something is happening at the mansion - they rushed back but needed to take a detour due to the white whale fog - they stopped at a village to rest - while Subaru slept, Rem left for the mansion with a note saying that it's dangerous for Subaru to go back and asked him to stay - Subaru met Otto in this village and got him to take him to Roswaal domain - he made the final leg of the journey on foot, saw dead villagers, then saw dead body of Rem who appeared to be defending them - he found Ram dead in the mansion, then found the secret passageway - he did not see Emilia's body at all, and thinking she had escaped via the passageway, he went down as well, and as he reached the end before the door, he saw frozen people and then was frozen to death - this is completely different from the WN I presume; no torture took place 2nd iteration: - just as in the spoiler, he was in escapism mode - this time Rem and Subaru completed the journey to Roswaal domain together, since Rem couldn't leave Subaru alone, given that he was spacing out and acting retarded - met Betelgeuse and cultists; Rem fought and died from her wounds, no torture again - Betelguese and cultists left Subaru alone, who was shaken out of his escapism mode - Subaru reached the village while carrying Rem's body, and saw dead villagers - when he reached mansion, there were frozen bodies, he saw Puck's true form but did not know it then - he was then frozen to death again; in this iteration he died before entering the mansion if I remembered right volume 6: 3rd iteration: - Subaru was in vengeance mode and wanted to kill Betelguese - he tried to get Crush, Priscilla, Anastasia's help but failed in his negotiations because of idiocy - in this iteration, Otto was still in capital and he started to use his brains, got him and a band of merchants to move carriages to Roswaal domain so as to use those carriages to evacuate the villagers - this time he was proactive and decided not to take detour so as to rush back to the mansion (iirc) - as a result they encountered the mist and white whale - Rem bought them time to escape from the whale and mist, with Otto dragging Subaru along - when they got out of the mist, Subaru said 'fuck, how can they leave Rem' - Otto then asked who is Rem? - white whale pursued them, Subaru then realized because of his stench, he mumbled to himself it's his fault - Otto then asked him to die and tried to get away from him or something like that - can't remember all the details here, but Subaru managed to get away somehow, got to the village to find the people still alive, because he was early in this iteration - he got back to the mansion with wounds, met Ram, collapsed - after awaking, he learned that Emilia and Ram had forgotten about Rem - he then tried to ask the weary-looking Emilia to get away but was met with resistance and bewilderment - he gave up and revealed his Return by Death, but just as he continued to speak while ignoring the hand, not caring whether he died or not, the hand grabbed Emilia's heart and crushed it - Beatrice witnessed Subaru carrying Emilia's lifeless body, refused Subaru's request to kill him, then teleported them outside, knowing that Puck in his true form is on his way - the cultists finally arrived, then Puck also came and killed or froze all the cultists, Betelguese was perplexed by Puck's power even as a spirit, Puck hinted that it's linked to Dona-dona chan, I mean Ekidona - Puck then told Subaru his 3 mistakes and froze him - before Subaru was done dying, Puck said he would freeze the world and also mentioned that the only one who was above him in power was probably only the sword saint 4th iteration: - Subaru in total despair, wanted to give up, Rem got him back on his feet with her words - negotiated with Crush a 2nd time and offered to help her in her quest to slay the white whale, by offering her intel about the exact time and location of its appearance volume 7: 4th iteration (cont'd): - this volume is all about the white whale raid, with Subaru, Rem, Crush and her retainers (with Felis and Wilheim by her side of course), and Anastasia's mercenaries - Julius was not with them yet, because he was serving his punishment for beating up Subaru, and did not join the meeting which Subaru had organized with Crush and Anastasia; this appears different from the spoiler again - Anastasia assisted by lending her mercenaries because it's aligned with merchants' interests to slay the white whale due to it endangering trade routes, for Crush, it's an alliance with the Emilia faction - different from the spoiler, the white whale raid took only one try, though the whole expedition + preparation took one whole volume - flashback of Wilheim and Tereshia is more or less the same volume 8: 4th iteration (cont'd): - with the raid done, Subaru then revealed the danger approaching Roswaal mansion, and requested assistance to deal with the witch cultists - Julius linked up at this point, and together with the mercenaries of Anastasia faction, Felis, Wilheim, Subaru left for Roswaal domain - Crush and Rem left for the capital as Rem was injured and Subaru has enough backup - Subaru with his previous experience with Betelguese and his agents, came up with a plan to round every antagonizing factor up, protect the village and the mansion, and he did it by splitting his forces - they managed to kill Betelguese and his finger goons, but it was only after this, that Subaru learned about Betelguese possession ability as he was being possessed - he finally died in the 4th iteration at the end of volume 8 as he requested for Julius, Felis, Wilheim to kill him So up till this point, he only died 4 times, and the first 3 times were by Puck's hand. And I started reading the WN from this point, and realized some differences, as, in a similar scene in the WN from which I started, Emilia was witnessing possessed Subaru dying, but in the LN, this did not happen like I mentioned in one of my historical posts. The rest of comparisons would have to wait for the new LN releases, if I ever get around to reading them, since I'm also reading the WN now. https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=129355&page=36 |
May 31, 2016 8:00 AM
#257
machixmachi said: @Fappa @DarklordVor Hi there. Can you confirm this for me? Originally Posted by larethian View Post I won't judge which is 'better' or 'worse' in M-satisfaction, just that they are different I finally have time to go through this spoiler properly. I don't know how accurate this is for WN since I didn't read the parts supposedly covered by the LN, but it's vastly different from what I've read and it's a lot less brutal and less sadistic in the LN I'll briefly highlight the main differences: Spoiler for comparison with LN: Show volume 4: Setup for arc 3 focusing royal selection and introduction of new cast seems more or less the same volume 5: 1st iteration: - staying at Crush's residence is more or less the same - Rem senses from Ram (twin connection) that something is happening at the mansion - they rushed back but needed to take a detour due to the white whale fog - they stopped at a village to rest - while Subaru slept, Rem left for the mansion with a note saying that it's dangerous for Subaru to go back and asked him to stay - Subaru met Otto in this village and got him to take him to Roswaal domain - he made the final leg of the journey on foot, saw dead villagers, then saw dead body of Rem who appeared to be defending them - he found Ram dead in the mansion, then found the secret passageway - he did not see Emilia's body at all, and thinking she had escaped via the passageway, he went down as well, and as he reached the end before the door, he saw frozen people and then was frozen to death - this is completely different from the WN I presume; no torture took place 2nd iteration: - just as in the spoiler, he was in escapism mode - this time Rem and Subaru completed the journey to Roswaal domain together, since Rem couldn't leave Subaru alone, given that he was spacing out and acting retarded - met Betelgeuse and cultists; Rem fought and died from her wounds, no torture again - Betelguese and cultists left Subaru alone, who was shaken out of his escapism mode - Subaru reached the village while carrying Rem's body, and saw dead villagers - when he reached mansion, there were frozen bodies, he saw Puck's true form but did not know it then - he was then frozen to death again; in this iteration he died before entering the mansion if I remembered right volume 6: 3rd iteration: - Subaru was in vengeance mode and wanted to kill Betelguese - he tried to get Crush, Priscilla, Anastasia's help but failed in his negotiations because of idiocy - in this iteration, Otto was still in capital and he started to use his brains, got him and a band of merchants to move carriages to Roswaal domain so as to use those carriages to evacuate the villagers - this time he was proactive and decided not to take detour so as to rush back to the mansion (iirc) - as a result they encountered the mist and white whale - Rem bought them time to escape from the whale and mist, with Otto dragging Subaru along - when they got out of the mist, Subaru said 'fuck, how can they leave Rem' - Otto then asked who is Rem? - white whale pursued them, Subaru then realized because of his stench, he mumbled to himself it's his fault - Otto then asked him to die and tried to get away from him or something like that - can't remember all the details here, but Subaru managed to get away somehow, got to the village to find the people still alive, because he was early in this iteration - he got back to the mansion with wounds, met Ram, collapsed - after awaking, he learned that Emilia and Ram had forgotten about Rem - he then tried to ask the weary-looking Emilia to get away but was met with resistance and bewilderment - he gave up and revealed his Return by Death, but just as he continued to speak while ignoring the hand, not caring whether he died or not, the hand grabbed Emilia's heart and crushed it - Beatrice witnessed Subaru carrying Emilia's lifeless body, refused Subaru's request to kill him, then teleported them outside, knowing that Puck in his true form is on his way - the cultists finally arrived, then Puck also came and killed or froze all the cultists, Betelguese was perplexed by Puck's power even as a spirit, Puck hinted that it's linked to Dona-dona chan, I mean Ekidona - Puck then told Subaru his 3 mistakes and froze him - before Subaru was done dying, Puck said he would freeze the world and also mentioned that the only one who was above him in power was probably only the sword saint 4th iteration: - Subaru in total despair, wanted to give up, Rem got him back on his feet with her words - negotiated with Crush a 2nd time and offered to help her in her quest to slay the white whale, by offering her intel about the exact time and location of its appearance volume 7: 4th iteration (cont'd): - this volume is all about the white whale raid, with Subaru, Rem, Crush and her retainers (with Felis and Wilheim by her side of course), and Anastasia's mercenaries - Julius was not with them yet, because he was serving his punishment for beating up Subaru, and did not join the meeting which Subaru had organized with Crush and Anastasia; this appears different from the spoiler again - Anastasia assisted by lending her mercenaries because it's aligned with merchants' interests to slay the white whale due to it endangering trade routes, for Crush, it's an alliance with the Emilia faction - different from the spoiler, the white whale raid took only one try, though the whole expedition + preparation took one whole volume - flashback of Wilheim and Tereshia is more or less the same volume 8: 4th iteration (cont'd): - with the raid done, Subaru then revealed the danger approaching Roswaal mansion, and requested assistance to deal with the witch cultists - Julius linked up at this point, and together with the mercenaries of Anastasia faction, Felis, Wilheim, Subaru left for Roswaal domain - Crush and Rem left for the capital as Rem was injured and Subaru has enough backup - Subaru with his previous experience with Betelguese and his agents, came up with a plan to round every antagonizing factor up, protect the village and the mansion, and he did it by splitting his forces - they managed to kill Betelguese and his finger goons, but it was only after this, that Subaru learned about Betelguese possession ability as he was being possessed - he finally died in the 4th iteration at the end of volume 8 as he requested for Julius, Felis, Wilheim to kill him So up till this point, he only died 4 times, and the first 3 times were by Puck's hand. And I started reading the WN from this point, and realized some differences, as, in a similar scene in the WN from which I started, Emilia was witnessing possessed Subaru dying, but in the LN, this did not happen like I mentioned in one of my historical posts. The rest of comparisons would have to wait for the new LN releases, if I ever get around to reading them, since I'm also reading the WN now. https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=129355&page=36 Oh that post. Yeah this is certainly true. The editor alongside the author made some alterations for the LN version so that the overall story flow is better. It may sound "bad" at first because once scene is really shortened but if you look at this scene in the overall picture of the story then it's better the way the LN handles it. :) |
May 31, 2016 8:16 AM
#258
Fappa said: machixmachi said: @Fappa @DarklordVor Hi there. Can you confirm this for me? Originally Posted by larethian View Post I won't judge which is 'better' or 'worse' in M-satisfaction, just that they are different I finally have time to go through this spoiler properly. I don't know how accurate this is for WN since I didn't read the parts supposedly covered by the LN, but it's vastly different from what I've read and it's a lot less brutal and less sadistic in the LN I'll briefly highlight the main differences: Spoiler for comparison with LN: Show volume 4: Setup for arc 3 focusing royal selection and introduction of new cast seems more or less the same volume 5: 1st iteration: - staying at Crush's residence is more or less the same - Rem senses from Ram (twin connection) that something is happening at the mansion - they rushed back but needed to take a detour due to the white whale fog - they stopped at a village to rest - while Subaru slept, Rem left for the mansion with a note saying that it's dangerous for Subaru to go back and asked him to stay - Subaru met Otto in this village and got him to take him to Roswaal domain - he made the final leg of the journey on foot, saw dead villagers, then saw dead body of Rem who appeared to be defending them - he found Ram dead in the mansion, then found the secret passageway - he did not see Emilia's body at all, and thinking she had escaped via the passageway, he went down as well, and as he reached the end before the door, he saw frozen people and then was frozen to death - this is completely different from the WN I presume; no torture took place 2nd iteration: - just as in the spoiler, he was in escapism mode - this time Rem and Subaru completed the journey to Roswaal domain together, since Rem couldn't leave Subaru alone, given that he was spacing out and acting retarded - met Betelgeuse and cultists; Rem fought and died from her wounds, no torture again - Betelguese and cultists left Subaru alone, who was shaken out of his escapism mode - Subaru reached the village while carrying Rem's body, and saw dead villagers - when he reached mansion, there were frozen bodies, he saw Puck's true form but did not know it then - he was then frozen to death again; in this iteration he died before entering the mansion if I remembered right volume 6: 3rd iteration: - Subaru was in vengeance mode and wanted to kill Betelguese - he tried to get Crush, Priscilla, Anastasia's help but failed in his negotiations because of idiocy - in this iteration, Otto was still in capital and he started to use his brains, got him and a band of merchants to move carriages to Roswaal domain so as to use those carriages to evacuate the villagers - this time he was proactive and decided not to take detour so as to rush back to the mansion (iirc) - as a result they encountered the mist and white whale - Rem bought them time to escape from the whale and mist, with Otto dragging Subaru along - when they got out of the mist, Subaru said 'fuck, how can they leave Rem' - Otto then asked who is Rem? - white whale pursued them, Subaru then realized because of his stench, he mumbled to himself it's his fault - Otto then asked him to die and tried to get away from him or something like that - can't remember all the details here, but Subaru managed to get away somehow, got to the village to find the people still alive, because he was early in this iteration - he got back to the mansion with wounds, met Ram, collapsed - after awaking, he learned that Emilia and Ram had forgotten about Rem - he then tried to ask the weary-looking Emilia to get away but was met with resistance and bewilderment - he gave up and revealed his Return by Death, but just as he continued to speak while ignoring the hand, not caring whether he died or not, the hand grabbed Emilia's heart and crushed it - Beatrice witnessed Subaru carrying Emilia's lifeless body, refused Subaru's request to kill him, then teleported them outside, knowing that Puck in his true form is on his way - the cultists finally arrived, then Puck also came and killed or froze all the cultists, Betelguese was perplexed by Puck's power even as a spirit, Puck hinted that it's linked to Dona-dona chan, I mean Ekidona - Puck then told Subaru his 3 mistakes and froze him - before Subaru was done dying, Puck said he would freeze the world and also mentioned that the only one who was above him in power was probably only the sword saint 4th iteration: - Subaru in total despair, wanted to give up, Rem got him back on his feet with her words - negotiated with Crush a 2nd time and offered to help her in her quest to slay the white whale, by offering her intel about the exact time and location of its appearance volume 7: 4th iteration (cont'd): - this volume is all about the white whale raid, with Subaru, Rem, Crush and her retainers (with Felis and Wilheim by her side of course), and Anastasia's mercenaries - Julius was not with them yet, because he was serving his punishment for beating up Subaru, and did not join the meeting which Subaru had organized with Crush and Anastasia; this appears different from the spoiler again - Anastasia assisted by lending her mercenaries because it's aligned with merchants' interests to slay the white whale due to it endangering trade routes, for Crush, it's an alliance with the Emilia faction - different from the spoiler, the white whale raid took only one try, though the whole expedition + preparation took one whole volume - flashback of Wilheim and Tereshia is more or less the same volume 8: 4th iteration (cont'd): - with the raid done, Subaru then revealed the danger approaching Roswaal mansion, and requested assistance to deal with the witch cultists - Julius linked up at this point, and together with the mercenaries of Anastasia faction, Felis, Wilheim, Subaru left for Roswaal domain - Crush and Rem left for the capital as Rem was injured and Subaru has enough backup - Subaru with his previous experience with Betelguese and his agents, came up with a plan to round every antagonizing factor up, protect the village and the mansion, and he did it by splitting his forces - they managed to kill Betelguese and his finger goons, but it was only after this, that Subaru learned about Betelguese possession ability as he was being possessed - he finally died in the 4th iteration at the end of volume 8 as he requested for Julius, Felis, Wilheim to kill him So up till this point, he only died 4 times, and the first 3 times were by Puck's hand. And I started reading the WN from this point, and realized some differences, as, in a similar scene in the WN from which I started, Emilia was witnessing possessed Subaru dying, but in the LN, this did not happen like I mentioned in one of my historical posts. The rest of comparisons would have to wait for the new LN releases, if I ever get around to reading them, since I'm also reading the WN now. https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=129355&page=36 Oh that post. Yeah this is certainly true. The editor alongside the author made some alterations for the LN version so that the overall story flow is better. It may sound "bad" at first because once scene is really shortened but if you look at this scene in the overall picture of the story then it's better the way the LN handles it. :) Thanks a lot. To be honest, I like WN version more than LN version at some torture&brutal scene, I've expected it :( |
May 31, 2016 8:27 AM
#259
machixmachi said: Thanks a lot. To be honest, I like WN version more than LN version at some torture&brutal scene, I've expected it :( Yeah at this point it's a matter of preference to detail. The impact is the same in the end it's just delivered differently. If we talk about the overall story an connectivity then the LN is definitely better as it puts Puck way more into the spotlight which is a clever thing to do for later on |
May 31, 2016 8:38 AM
#260
Fappa said: machixmachi said: Thanks a lot. To be honest, I like WN version more than LN version at some torture&brutal scene, I've expected it :( Yeah at this point it's a matter of preference to detail. The impact is the same in the end it's just delivered differently. If we talk about the overall story an connectivity then the LN is definitely better as it puts Puck way more into the spotlight which is a clever thing to do for later on Although I won't get that brutal/torture but now I'm fine with your infomation about LN, thanks again :) |
May 31, 2016 8:50 AM
#261
machixmachi said: Although I won't get that brutal/torture but now I'm fine with your infomation about LN, thanks again :) This wouldn't have made it into the anime anyway so instead of censored scenes a different, more story relevant take on this scene is a better option. If we talk about reading it then you will have to hope for a dedicated soul that translates the web novel. The only thing I can agree with is that The numerous tries in order to defeat the whale would have been nice but it doesn't matter really that much. This was a hit or miss anyway. Some people liked that, some thought it was tiring as they ( the group ) made slow progress through the various loops. The whale appears as dangerous and frightening which is the most important aspect :) |
May 31, 2016 9:09 AM
#262
Fappa said: machixmachi said: Although I won't get that brutal/torture but now I'm fine with your infomation about LN, thanks again :) The only thing I can agree with is that The numerous tries in order to defeat the whale would have been nice but it doesn't matter really that much. This was a hit or miss anyway. Some people liked that, some thought it was tiring as they ( the group ) made slow progress through the various loops. The whale appears as dangerous and frightening which is the most important aspect :) Yep. I also agree with that. |
May 31, 2016 2:09 PM
#263
Okay sorry for the late update guys, I just flew back to Indonesia on a 22 hours flight jeez... so tiring lol. Anyway, episode 9 is awesome muahaaha. Rem-rin is love, Rem-rin is life. But lol, so they ended it on Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Basically they adapted one whole chapter for this episode, which is slower than episode 8's two chapter pacing. See? I told you guys their pacing is random. 「死なないで、死なないで、死なないで――!」 It ends on chapter 41 of WN btw. machixmachi said: @Fappa @DarklordVor Hi there. Can you confirm this for me? Originally Posted by larethian View Post I won't judge which is 'better' or 'worse' in M-satisfaction, just that they are different I finally have time to go through this spoiler properly. I don't know how accurate this is for WN since I didn't read the parts supposedly covered by the LN, but it's vastly different from what I've read and it's a lot less brutal and less sadistic in the LN I'll briefly highlight the main differences: Spoiler for comparison with LN: Show volume 4: Setup for arc 3 focusing royal selection and introduction of new cast seems more or less the same volume 5: 1st iteration: - staying at Crush's residence is more or less the same - Rem senses from Ram (twin connection) that something is happening at the mansion - they rushed back but needed to take a detour due to the white whale fog - they stopped at a village to rest - while Subaru slept, Rem left for the mansion with a note saying that it's dangerous for Subaru to go back and asked him to stay - Subaru met Otto in this village and got him to take him to Roswaal domain - he made the final leg of the journey on foot, saw dead villagers, then saw dead body of Rem who appeared to be defending them - he found Ram dead in the mansion, then found the secret passageway - he did not see Emilia's body at all, and thinking she had escaped via the passageway, he went down as well, and as he reached the end before the door, he saw frozen people and then was frozen to death - this is completely different from the WN I presume; no torture took place 2nd iteration: - just as in the spoiler, he was in escapism mode - this time Rem and Subaru completed the journey to Roswaal domain together, since Rem couldn't leave Subaru alone, given that he was spacing out and acting retarded - met Betelgeuse and cultists; Rem fought and died from her wounds, no torture again - Betelguese and cultists left Subaru alone, who was shaken out of his escapism mode - Subaru reached the village while carrying Rem's body, and saw dead villagers - when he reached mansion, there were frozen bodies, he saw Puck's true form but did not know it then - he was then frozen to death again; in this iteration he died before entering the mansion if I remembered right volume 6: 3rd iteration: - Subaru was in vengeance mode and wanted to kill Betelguese - he tried to get Crush, Priscilla, Anastasia's help but failed in his negotiations because of idiocy - in this iteration, Otto was still in capital and he started to use his brains, got him and a band of merchants to move carriages to Roswaal domain so as to use those carriages to evacuate the villagers - this time he was proactive and decided not to take detour so as to rush back to the mansion (iirc) - as a result they encountered the mist and white whale - Rem bought them time to escape from the whale and mist, with Otto dragging Subaru along - when they got out of the mist, Subaru said 'fuck, how can they leave Rem' - Otto then asked who is Rem? - white whale pursued them, Subaru then realized because of his stench, he mumbled to himself it's his fault - Otto then asked him to die and tried to get away from him or something like that - can't remember all the details here, but Subaru managed to get away somehow, got to the village to find the people still alive, because he was early in this iteration - he got back to the mansion with wounds, met Ram, collapsed - after awaking, he learned that Emilia and Ram had forgotten about Rem - he then tried to ask the weary-looking Emilia to get away but was met with resistance and bewilderment - he gave up and revealed his Return by Death, but just as he continued to speak while ignoring the hand, not caring whether he died or not, the hand grabbed Emilia's heart and crushed it - Beatrice witnessed Subaru carrying Emilia's lifeless body, refused Subaru's request to kill him, then teleported them outside, knowing that Puck in his true form is on his way - the cultists finally arrived, then Puck also came and killed or froze all the cultists, Betelguese was perplexed by Puck's power even as a spirit, Puck hinted that it's linked to Dona-dona chan, I mean Ekidona - Puck then told Subaru his 3 mistakes and froze him - before Subaru was done dying, Puck said he would freeze the world and also mentioned that the only one who was above him in power was probably only the sword saint 4th iteration: - Subaru in total despair, wanted to give up, Rem got him back on his feet with her words - negotiated with Crush a 2nd time and offered to help her in her quest to slay the white whale, by offering her intel about the exact time and location of its appearance volume 7: 4th iteration (cont'd): - this volume is all about the white whale raid, with Subaru, Rem, Crush and her retainers (with Felis and Wilheim by her side of course), and Anastasia's mercenaries - Julius was not with them yet, because he was serving his punishment for beating up Subaru, and did not join the meeting which Subaru had organized with Crush and Anastasia; this appears different from the spoiler again - Anastasia assisted by lending her mercenaries because it's aligned with merchants' interests to slay the white whale due to it endangering trade routes, for Crush, it's an alliance with the Emilia faction - different from the spoiler, the white whale raid took only one try, though the whole expedition + preparation took one whole volume - flashback of Wilheim and Tereshia is more or less the same volume 8: 4th iteration (cont'd): - with the raid done, Subaru then revealed the danger approaching Roswaal mansion, and requested assistance to deal with the witch cultists - Julius linked up at this point, and together with the mercenaries of Anastasia faction, Felis, Wilheim, Subaru left for Roswaal domain - Crush and Rem left for the capital as Rem was injured and Subaru has enough backup - Subaru with his previous experience with Betelguese and his agents, came up with a plan to round every antagonizing factor up, protect the village and the mansion, and he did it by splitting his forces - they managed to kill Betelguese and his finger goons, but it was only after this, that Subaru learned about Betelguese possession ability as he was being possessed - he finally died in the 4th iteration at the end of volume 8 as he requested for Julius, Felis, Wilheim to kill him So up till this point, he only died 4 times, and the first 3 times were by Puck's hand. And I started reading the WN from this point, and realized some differences, as, in a similar scene in the WN from which I started, Emilia was witnessing possessed Subaru dying, but in the LN, this did not happen like I mentioned in one of my historical posts. The rest of comparisons would have to wait for the new LN releases, if I ever get around to reading them, since I'm also reading the WN now. https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=129355&page=36 Yeah what Fappa said. The LN is actually doing a good job on "polishing" it and the result is what we're seeing in the anime. The WN is gorier from the start like making Elsa's kills even gorier. |
May 31, 2016 2:14 PM
#264
IMTLD said: DarklordVor said: I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Wow, then episode 9 adapted so much. If they are giving fragment chapter as 9 volume bonus I think they are going to adapt everything before it, otherwise this would not make sense. Can you please explain what is the fragment chapter exactly? Is it an epilogue to arc3? Or a different ending to the arc? Or a continuous after arc 3? Not really much, episode 9 only adapted one chapter of LN while episode 8 adapted 2 chapters. Although the WN chapters are basically the same in the range of 7-8 WN chapters. (Note that LN are the polished version of the WN). The fragment chapter is an "alternate ending" epilogue since it took like lots of years in the future. Itt is also the one and true ending of Re:Zero that I have accepted. Yup, there is no such things as arc 4+ as they're all fanfictions. |
May 31, 2016 2:51 PM
#265
DarklordVor said: Okay sorry for the late update guys, I just flew back to Indonesia on a 22 hours flight jeez... so tiring lol. Yeah what Fappa said. The LN is actually doing a good job on "polishing" it and the result is what we're seeing in the anime. The WN is gorier from the start like making Elsa's kills even gorier. Oh I know that. Had to fly 23 hours to the maledives once *sigh*. If you look only at arc 3 it's arguable what's better but if we take the whole story into consideration then the changes made it definitely more convenient to read/ for an anime to adapt. Imagine the anime adapting multiple runs at the white whale where with baby step progress The thing about the toned down gore, well that depends on your taste. The only thing that I maybe don't like about the changes is that the cult and Betelgeuse doesn't seem as frightening and bat shit crazy but maybe the author adds this portion of "holy sh*t" with Regulus in arc 5 On the other side I love how much focus the whole deal with Puck gets, it doesn't feel as random as in the WN that Puck kills him. I also believe that Tappei maybe wants to draw new connections within the story when he missed the chance to do so in the WN. It's been 2-3 years since he wrote that after all. I can imagine that an author wants to redesign some events according to his liking. I also believe arc 3 in the WN was Tappei having some really bad days in a row LOL |
May 31, 2016 8:28 PM
#266
Fappa said: DarklordVor said: Okay sorry for the late update guys, I just flew back to Indonesia on a 22 hours flight jeez... so tiring lol. Yeah what Fappa said. The LN is actually doing a good job on "polishing" it and the result is what we're seeing in the anime. The WN is gorier from the start like making Elsa's kills even gorier. Oh I know that. Had to fly 23 hours to the maledives once *sigh*. If you look only at arc 3 it's arguable what's better but if we take the whole story into consideration then the changes made it definitely more convenient to read/ for an anime to adapt. Imagine the anime adapting multiple runs at the white whale where with baby step progress The thing about the toned down gore, well that depends on your taste. The only thing that I maybe don't like about the changes is that the cult and Betelgeuse doesn't seem as frightening and bat shit crazy but maybe the author adds this portion of "holy sh*t" with Regulus in arc 5 On the other side I love how much focus the whole deal with Puck gets, it doesn't feel as random as in the WN that Puck kills him. I also believe that Tappei maybe wants to draw new connections within the story when he missed the chance to do so in the WN. It's been 2-3 years since he wrote that after all. I can imagine that an author wants to redesign some events according to his liking. I also believe arc 3 in the WN was Tappei having some really bad days in a row LOL Yup exactly. He probably take a lot more time for publishing another chapter to polish the story even further to connect the plot holes and missing details in his story. Hence why his 1-2 months per volume pace changes to 6 months per volume. Hopefully he can end volume 9 tearfully... make LN reader even feels than the WN readers who have read the epilogue of arc 3. |
May 31, 2016 11:05 PM
#267
DarklordVor said: Okay sorry for the late update guys, I just flew back to Indonesia on a 22 hours flight jeez... so tiring lol. Anyway, episode 9 is awesome muahaaha. Rem-rin is love, Rem-rin is life. But lol, so they ended it on Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Basically they adapted one whole chapter for this episode, which is slower than episode 8's two chapter pacing. See? I told you guys their pacing is random. 「死なないで、死なないで、死なないで――!」 It ends on chapter 41 of WN btw. machixmachi said: @Fappa @DarklordVor Hi there. Can you confirm this for me? Originally Posted by larethian View Post I won't judge which is 'better' or 'worse' in M-satisfaction, just that they are different I finally have time to go through this spoiler properly. I don't know how accurate this is for WN since I didn't read the parts supposedly covered by the LN, but it's vastly different from what I've read and it's a lot less brutal and less sadistic in the LN I'll briefly highlight the main differences: Spoiler for comparison with LN: Show volume 4: Setup for arc 3 focusing royal selection and introduction of new cast seems more or less the same volume 5: 1st iteration: - staying at Crush's residence is more or less the same - Rem senses from Ram (twin connection) that something is happening at the mansion - they rushed back but needed to take a detour due to the white whale fog - they stopped at a village to rest - while Subaru slept, Rem left for the mansion with a note saying that it's dangerous for Subaru to go back and asked him to stay - Subaru met Otto in this village and got him to take him to Roswaal domain - he made the final leg of the journey on foot, saw dead villagers, then saw dead body of Rem who appeared to be defending them - he found Ram dead in the mansion, then found the secret passageway - he did not see Emilia's body at all, and thinking she had escaped via the passageway, he went down as well, and as he reached the end before the door, he saw frozen people and then was frozen to death - this is completely different from the WN I presume; no torture took place 2nd iteration: - just as in the spoiler, he was in escapism mode - this time Rem and Subaru completed the journey to Roswaal domain together, since Rem couldn't leave Subaru alone, given that he was spacing out and acting retarded - met Betelgeuse and cultists; Rem fought and died from her wounds, no torture again - Betelguese and cultists left Subaru alone, who was shaken out of his escapism mode - Subaru reached the village while carrying Rem's body, and saw dead villagers - when he reached mansion, there were frozen bodies, he saw Puck's true form but did not know it then - he was then frozen to death again; in this iteration he died before entering the mansion if I remembered right volume 6: 3rd iteration: - Subaru was in vengeance mode and wanted to kill Betelguese - he tried to get Crush, Priscilla, Anastasia's help but failed in his negotiations because of idiocy - in this iteration, Otto was still in capital and he started to use his brains, got him and a band of merchants to move carriages to Roswaal domain so as to use those carriages to evacuate the villagers - this time he was proactive and decided not to take detour so as to rush back to the mansion (iirc) - as a result they encountered the mist and white whale - Rem bought them time to escape from the whale and mist, with Otto dragging Subaru along - when they got out of the mist, Subaru said 'fuck, how can they leave Rem' - Otto then asked who is Rem? - white whale pursued them, Subaru then realized because of his stench, he mumbled to himself it's his fault - Otto then asked him to die and tried to get away from him or something like that - can't remember all the details here, but Subaru managed to get away somehow, got to the village to find the people still alive, because he was early in this iteration - he got back to the mansion with wounds, met Ram, collapsed - after awaking, he learned that Emilia and Ram had forgotten about Rem - he then tried to ask the weary-looking Emilia to get away but was met with resistance and bewilderment - he gave up and revealed his Return by Death, but just as he continued to speak while ignoring the hand, not caring whether he died or not, the hand grabbed Emilia's heart and crushed it - Beatrice witnessed Subaru carrying Emilia's lifeless body, refused Subaru's request to kill him, then teleported them outside, knowing that Puck in his true form is on his way - the cultists finally arrived, then Puck also came and killed or froze all the cultists, Betelguese was perplexed by Puck's power even as a spirit, Puck hinted that it's linked to Dona-dona chan, I mean Ekidona - Puck then told Subaru his 3 mistakes and froze him - before Subaru was done dying, Puck said he would freeze the world and also mentioned that the only one who was above him in power was probably only the sword saint 4th iteration: - Subaru in total despair, wanted to give up, Rem got him back on his feet with her words - negotiated with Crush a 2nd time and offered to help her in her quest to slay the white whale, by offering her intel about the exact time and location of its appearance volume 7: 4th iteration (cont'd): - this volume is all about the white whale raid, with Subaru, Rem, Crush and her retainers (with Felis and Wilheim by her side of course), and Anastasia's mercenaries - Julius was not with them yet, because he was serving his punishment for beating up Subaru, and did not join the meeting which Subaru had organized with Crush and Anastasia; this appears different from the spoiler again - Anastasia assisted by lending her mercenaries because it's aligned with merchants' interests to slay the white whale due to it endangering trade routes, for Crush, it's an alliance with the Emilia faction - different from the spoiler, the white whale raid took only one try, though the whole expedition + preparation took one whole volume - flashback of Wilheim and Tereshia is more or less the same volume 8: 4th iteration (cont'd): - with the raid done, Subaru then revealed the danger approaching Roswaal mansion, and requested assistance to deal with the witch cultists - Julius linked up at this point, and together with the mercenaries of Anastasia faction, Felis, Wilheim, Subaru left for Roswaal domain - Crush and Rem left for the capital as Rem was injured and Subaru has enough backup - Subaru with his previous experience with Betelguese and his agents, came up with a plan to round every antagonizing factor up, protect the village and the mansion, and he did it by splitting his forces - they managed to kill Betelguese and his finger goons, but it was only after this, that Subaru learned about Betelguese possession ability as he was being possessed - he finally died in the 4th iteration at the end of volume 8 as he requested for Julius, Felis, Wilheim to kill him So up till this point, he only died 4 times, and the first 3 times were by Puck's hand. And I started reading the WN from this point, and realized some differences, as, in a similar scene in the WN from which I started, Emilia was witnessing possessed Subaru dying, but in the LN, this did not happen like I mentioned in one of my historical posts. The rest of comparisons would have to wait for the new LN releases, if I ever get around to reading them, since I'm also reading the WN now. https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=129355&page=36 Yeah what Fappa said. The LN is actually doing a good job on "polishing" it and the result is what we're seeing in the anime. The WN is gorier from the start like making Elsa's kills even gorier. Thanks! I fret about the emotionals/the feels in LN compare to WN version, which is better? |
Jun 1, 2016 4:03 AM
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machixmachi said: Thanks! I fret about the emotionals/the feels in LN compare to WN version, which is better? Well we're really biased since the version you read at first will always have a bigger emotional impact ( simply because a lot of it comes from the surprise effect which leads to a feeling of being overwhelmed ) If we talk about the narrative and the changed scenes then I'd say...for people who have read the WN first it will probably be still the WN but for people who have started with the LN and then hear the version of the WN, they'll say that the LN made it way more emotional. If you're new to the series you'll definitely like the LN version more since it doesn't draw out events as much and it alters some events so that it involves more characters you have a bond with An example would be Puck. Never would have I imagined that Puck would kill him no everyone like that |
Jun 1, 2016 9:09 AM
#269
DarklordVor said: Stark700 said: DarklordVor said: Stark700 said: Regarding the pacing: What volume and chapter does Rem transform into her Ogre form the first time in the forest in front of Subaru? I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Ah thanks :p Do you know many chapters are there for volume 3? By this reply, it looks like arc 2 is the shortest so far. No problem :p There are 5 chapters + epilogue. Though there is a small interlude in between chapter 4 and 5. What do you mean by small interlude? Like an extra chapter or something? Why would it be put in between chapter 4 and 5? And holy shit... Rem is scary. Way scarier than Kotori you know, but that's kinda awesome too. Hopefully we'll see more of it. |
Jun 1, 2016 9:33 AM
#270
@machixmachi yeah what Fappa said. It depends on which you read first, but I think the WN is more gorier and it actually makes it worse to imagine Subaru's suffering condition than the LN. However, because it is after all the polished version of the WN, it did become polished. Like for example, on episode 7, Subaru was supposed to be attacked by a beast before Beatrice found him in the WN. I think if they had put the beast to the story at that moment, it would derail the feels we'll feel about Rem's death or Ram's anger to seeing Subaru getting attacked. So there are goods and bad in between them. DarkingDawning said: DarklordVor said: Stark700 said: DarklordVor said: Stark700 said: Regarding the pacing: What volume and chapter does Rem transform into her Ogre form the first time in the forest in front of Subaru? I haven't watch the episode so I can't confirm about the pacing in episode 9, but that scene should be around Volume 3 chapter 3 part 8. Ah thanks :p Do you know many chapters are there for volume 3? By this reply, it looks like arc 2 is the shortest so far. No problem :p There are 5 chapters + epilogue. Though there is a small interlude in between chapter 4 and 5. What do you mean by small interlude? Like an extra chapter or something? Why would it be put in between chapter 4 and 5? And holy shit... Rem is scary. Way scarier than Kotori you know, but that's kinda awesome too. Hopefully we'll see more of it. Hmm the small interlude is something like an interlude. I don't know how to say it other than that lol. It's like an extra chapter being shoved in between chapter 4 and 5 to explain something. After all, the LN is the polished version of the WN. In the WN, it was put under chapter 47 instead of being an interlude chapter. Hehehe... Rem is awesome. Kotori is less scarier than Rem because she's a fire goddess and not a demon :p her craziness is burning stuffs with her megiddo canon. Hmm... about that DarkingDawning said: Hopefully we'll see more of it. I edited this myself, sorry if it's bad quality lol. I don't know when OneTimeScans will reach to this place since they haven't even translate chapter 16 of dainishou. |
Jun 1, 2016 9:38 AM
#271
^ Holy shit! That face....... :D |
Jun 1, 2016 10:39 AM
#272
DarklordVor said: Hmm... about that DarkingDawning said: Hopefully we'll see more of it. I edited this myself, sorry if it's bad quality lol. I don't know when OneTimeScans will reach to this place since they haven't even translate chapter 16 of dainishou. whew, I guess arc 3 really is good as they said huh? I bet you're liking every moment of it lol |
Jun 1, 2016 10:51 AM
#273
DarkingDawning said: DarklordVor said: Hmm... about that DarkingDawning said: Hopefully we'll see more of it. I edited this myself, sorry if it's bad quality lol. I don't know when OneTimeScans will reach to this place since they haven't even translate chapter 16 of dainishou. whew, I guess arc 3 really is good as they said huh? I bet you're liking every moment of it lol Fufufu.. chapter 12-13 manga is among my favorite chapters of arc 3. But it's not Re:Zero without sufferings.. *sigh* Also the manga is on volume 5 of the LN so far. I have to enjoy every moment from here on out... |
Jun 1, 2016 11:05 AM
#274
DarkingDawning said: whew, I guess arc 3 really is good as they said huh? I bet you're liking every moment of it lol In comparison to arc 1 and 2, yes arc 3 is crazy good. So much happens, so much is revealed, the stakes are higher, overall everything is just...better. That's why source material readers like me and Darklord are so stoked for it :D |
Jun 1, 2016 11:32 AM
#275
Fappa said: If you're new to the series you'll definitely like the LN version more since it doesn't draw out events as much and it alters some events so that it involves more characters you have a bond with An example would be Puck. Never would have I imagined that Puck would kill him no everyone like that Wait.......WAT? |
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Jun 1, 2016 11:34 AM
#276
Your heard right. Arc 3 my friend...arc 3 :D |
Jun 1, 2016 12:24 PM
#277
From arc 2 i thought always will puk do it once by any chance (never read original)you just confirmed it |
Jun 1, 2016 1:07 PM
#278
The amount of hype for Arc 3 is rising by the day. |
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Jun 1, 2016 1:09 PM
#279
The funny thing is this is only one of many "Whaaaat" moments. Now that I think about it in arc 3 happens easily 2-3 times more than in arc 1 and 2 combined. Personally I see it as the actual start of the story while arc 1 and 2 were the mere set up for that. |
Jun 1, 2016 1:13 PM
#280
Fappa said: The funny thing is this is only one of many "Whaaaat" moments. Now that I think about it in arc 3 happens easily 2-3 times more than in arc 1 and 2 combined. Personally I see it as the actual start of the story while arc 1 and 2 were the mere set up for that. Well based of the LN, Arc 1 is 1 volume, Arc 2 is 2 volumes, and Arc 3 is about to be 6 volumes? So that's double the amount on volumes for 1 Arc so I'm fully expecting a good amount of "oh shit" moments and plot twists. Plus I'm looking forward to the world building. Sigh...longest prologue ever. |
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Jun 1, 2016 1:22 PM
#281
bobzanny said: Well based of the LN, Arc 1 is 1 volume, Arc 2 is 2 volumes, and Arc 3 is about to be 6 volumes? So that's double the amount on volumes for 1 Arc so I'm fully expecting a good amount of "oh shit" moments and plot twists. Plus I'm looking forward to the world building. Sigh...longest prologue ever. A long and detailed prologue is necessary for a really long story. If it would be a 10 volume story then yeah this would be really weirdly paced but we're talking about the prologue taking about 1/30 of the entire content. Oh yeah this will be very good in arc 3, a lot of things you wish from a fantasy story Royalty, Economy, different Kingdoms, mythological beasts, war, alliances, elections, history, fanatics that gathered into organizations etc. etc. |
FappaJun 1, 2016 1:25 PM
Jun 1, 2016 1:47 PM
#282
Fappa said: bobzanny said: Well based of the LN, Arc 1 is 1 volume, Arc 2 is 2 volumes, and Arc 3 is about to be 6 volumes? So that's double the amount on volumes for 1 Arc so I'm fully expecting a good amount of "oh shit" moments and plot twists. Plus I'm looking forward to the world building. Sigh...longest prologue ever. A long and detailed prologue is necessary for a really long story. If it would be a 10 volume story then yeah this would be really weirdly paced but we're talking about the prologue taking about 1/30 of the entire content. Oh yeah this will be very good in arc 3, a lot of things you wish from a fantasy story Royalty, Economy, different Kingdoms, mythological beasts, war, alliances, elections, history, fanatics that gathered into organizations etc. etc. Are we talking about ongoing wars that are discussed and analyzed that impact the country or like Subaru is on the battlefield and it's up close and personal war? |
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Jun 1, 2016 1:54 PM
#283
bobzanny said: Are we talking about ongoing wars that are discussed and analyzed that impact the country or like Subaru is on the battlefield and it's up close and personal war? Both. There was a race war going on ca 30-40 years prior to the happenings of the anime. A little bit light is shone on that in a flashback of the former sword saint and figure of revolution Theresia who ended this war but its consequences are still present in these days. So yes former historical events are being addressed and the story goes a bit in depth on them. The side stories are extremely good if you want to know more about that. If we talk about a current war then yes Subaru will be part of one. It's really small scaled for this arc but a lot of people are gathered together for one common cause so you could call it an expedition followed by a small war. An actual big war against the witch's cult involving troops etc will happen in the future but the anime won't get to that point in this season |
Jun 1, 2016 2:33 PM
#284
I'm personally not hyped for episode 25. You guys can have episode 25 as the end of Re:Zero, as for me, I'm taking the "what if" chapter lol. Though yeah, I'm gonna enjoy most of those arc 3 episodes. So hype for arc 3, but not hyped for its end ;_; |
Jun 1, 2016 2:34 PM
#285
DarklordVor said: I'm personally not hyped for episode 25. You guys can have episode 25 as the end of Re:Zero, as for me, I'm taking the "what if" chapter lol. Though yeah, I'm gonna enjoy most of those arc 3 episodes. So hype for arc 3, but not hyped for its end ;_; We don't know what happens in volume 9 yet so Tappei could literally do anything with "that". Maybe he will do it somewhat more tolerable for people like you :3 |
Jun 1, 2016 2:40 PM
#286
Fappa said: DarkingDawning said: whew, I guess arc 3 really is good as they said huh? I bet you're liking every moment of it lol In comparison to arc 1 and 2, yes arc 3 is crazy good. So much happens, so much is revealed, the stakes are higher, overall everything is just...better. That's why source material readers like me and Darklord are so stoked for it :D Interesting. But it doesn't seem that @DarklordVor is hyped for its ending lol. I guess that's understandable since he's obsessed with that girl. I mean Emilia looked better and kinder than Rem, but he did say he like crazy girls like Kotori. By crazy good, do you mean more crazy Rem? From the chapter 13 manga @DarklordVor posted, it seems that we'll see at least once more. Also it seems to be related to the Witch Cult, which Rem somehow hated so much. Then there's a higher stake, I'm thinking of more deaths for our best car Subaru. |
Jun 1, 2016 2:48 PM
#287
Fappa said: DarklordVor said: I'm personally not hyped for episode 25. You guys can have episode 25 as the end of Re:Zero, as for me, I'm taking the "what if" chapter lol. Though yeah, I'm gonna enjoy most of those arc 3 episodes. So hype for arc 3, but not hyped for its end ;_; We don't know what happens in volume 9 yet so Tappei could literally do anything with "that". Maybe he will do it somewhat more tolerable for people like you :3 Hopefully he makes it less painful... or he will just went full sadist mode and be destroy and hope to the readers. *scream internally* DarkingDawning said: Interesting. But it doesn't seem that @DarklordVor is hyped for its ending lol. I guess that's understandable since he's obsessed with that girl. I mean Emilia looked better and kinder than Rem, but he did say he like crazy girls like Kotori. By crazy good, do you mean more crazy Rem? From the chapter 13 manga @DarklordVor posted, it seems that we'll see at least once more. Also it seems to be related to the Witch Cult, which Rem somehow hated so much. Oi oi, I didn't say I like crazy girls in general. Rem and Kotori went crazy "unconsciously" like Kotori's Efreet mode and Rem's Oni mode. Rem's feature is not only her craziness you know :3 |
Jun 1, 2016 3:00 PM
#288
DarkingDawning said: Interesting. But it doesn't seem that @DarklordVor is hyped for its ending lol. I guess that's understandable since he's obsessed with that girl. I mean Emilia looked better and kinder than Rem, but he did say he like crazy girls like Kotori. By crazy good, do you mean more crazy Rem? From the chapter 13 manga @DarklordVor posted, it seems that we'll see at least once more. Also it seems to be related to the Witch Cult, which Rem somehow hated so much. Then there's a higher stake, I'm thinking of more deaths for our best car Subaru. Well he loves Rem and his reason for him not liking the ending is because something really really really bad happens to her. If you aren't overly crazy about her then you'll love that ending, not because of what happens to whom but how it ends. It's a testament for what this story is and it's a crazy good ending for a season. Crazy good as in more crazy Rem, more best girl Rem, more everything. If you like the suffering, the psychological destruction of characters, the world building, the sad but heartwarming moments, the feeling that your root for that poor guy and the overall emotional impact then arc 3 will surpass any expectations of yours. It's like the author introduced all these aspects in a really tame version and then goes all serious from arc 3 onwards. It's almost like he intentionally held back just to raise the bar so incredibly high with the start of the actual story. Well more deaths are a given but the reasons why he is killed, the way he is killed, the impact it leaves on him is just way more intense. |
Jun 1, 2016 3:05 PM
#289
Fappa said: bobzanny said: Are we talking about ongoing wars that are discussed and analyzed that impact the country or like Subaru is on the battlefield and it's up close and personal war? Both. There was a race war going on ca 30-40 years prior to the happenings of the anime. A little bit light is shone on that in a flashback of the former sword saint and figure of revolution Theresia who ended this war but its consequences are still present in these days. So yes former historical events are being addressed and the story goes a bit in depth on them. The side stories are extremely good if you want to know more about that. If we talk about a current war then yes Subaru will be part of one. It's really small scaled for this arc but a lot of people are gathered together for one common cause so you could call it an expedition followed by a small war. An actual big war against the witch's cult involving troops etc will happen in the future but the anime won't get to that point in this season Oh fuck yea that is what I'm talking about, I love the scale that this anime is heading into. Too often with these Isekai anime it's just a limited scope, knowing that we'll be getting a broad picture of international politics and war is just amazing. I can only imagine the amount of deaths that are coming Subaru's way. DarklordVor said: I'm personally not hyped for episode 25. You guys can have episode 25 as the end of Re:Zero, as for me, I'm taking the "what if" chapter lol. Though yeah, I'm gonna enjoy most of those arc 3 episodes. So hype for arc 3, but not hyped for its end ;_; Just as boobs are fake asses, episode 25 is a fake ending. We both know what is the real ending of Re:Zero. |
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Jun 1, 2016 3:19 PM
#290
bobzanny said: Oh fuck yea that is what I'm talking about, I love the scale that this anime is heading into. Too often with these Isekai anime it's just a limited scope, knowing that we'll be getting a broad picture of international politics and war is just amazing. I can only imagine the amount of deaths that are coming Subaru's way. The thing is this story uses the Isekai theme only as a stepping stone instead of defining trait. Hell later on the Isekai aspect completely disappears once Subaru says his farewell to his former life by cutting all his ties with it. From that point onward he lives completely within this world and this includes its kingdoms, races, authorities, historical events and so on. But yes I also love that especially since the deaths in arc 3 involve way more people, their life, their future and overall the stakes are way higher. In these deaths Subaru really can't fail or go on without a perfect ending otherwise he sends a lot of people to their doom...well if he manages to achieve that is another story. I mean right now the loops are mainly about him surviving his fate of dying on "Day X" and maybe the death of other people instead of Subaru but imagine what toll it will take if his actions can change the fate of a massive amount of people. bobzanny said: Just as boobs are fake asses, episode 25 is a fake ending. We both know what is the real ending of Re:Zero. Ah I actually like that ending of arc 3 but maybe that's because I look at it as a part of the bigger picture :D. I love the MAJOR development Subaru gets through that ending and all the things he does in order to somehow change it although its close to impossible |
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Jun 1, 2016 3:25 PM
#291
Jun 1, 2016 3:34 PM
#292
ColdBreeze said: I ... don't want to wait any longer.. That ending is probably a love-hate moment lol I believe the majority of people will have a love-hate-relationship with the ending. They hate it because of what happens, not in a "that's bullshit" kind of way but in a "the feels" kind of way. They will also love it because the ending leaves you with such a certain feeling that is incredible. You feel like the arc has been resolved and we came to a conclusion but at the same time you don't want to accept that this is the conclusion because of your emotions and it feels like someone punched you in the face and...You. Crave. For. More. I'm sick of these endings where our cast stands on top of a hill, staring at the sunset, hair waving in the wind and we get a subtle hint as "but we knew that was only the start of our adventure". This is so unsatisfying. Re:Zero on the other side makes it storm like hell and dark as the night and kicks this entire cast in the face. I see a lot of people already being so emotionally attached to the characters, especially Subaru. The ending will just destroy them. |
Jun 1, 2016 3:40 PM
#293
Fappa said: bobzanny said: Oh fuck yea that is what I'm talking about, I love the scale that this anime is heading into. Too often with these Isekai anime it's just a limited scope, knowing that we'll be getting a broad picture of international politics and war is just amazing. I can only imagine the amount of deaths that are coming Subaru's way. The thing is this story uses the Isekai theme only as a stepping stone instead of defining trait. Hell later on the Isekai aspect completely disappears once Subaru says his farewell to his former life by cutting all his ties with it. From that point onward he lives completely within this world and this includes its kingdoms, races, authorities, historical events and so on. But yes I also love that especially since the deaths in arc 3 involve way more people, their life, their future and overall the stakes are way higher. In these deaths Subaru really can't fail or go on without a perfect ending otherwise he sends a lot of people to their doom...well if he manages to achieve that is another story. I mean right now the loops are mainly about him surviving his fate of dying on "Day X" and maybe the death of other people instead of Subaru but imagine what toll it will take if his actions can change the fate of a massive amount of people. bobzanny said: Just as boobs are fake asses, episode 25 is a fake ending. We both know what is the real ending of Re:Zero. Ah I actually like that ending of arc 3 but maybe that's because I look at it as a part of the bigger picture :D. I love the MAJOR development Subaru gets through that ending and all the things he does in order to somehow change it although its close to impossible Fappa confirmed sadist. Loves seeing @DarklordVor and all Rem fans in pain. Since it seems like Arc 3 begins on episode 12, when do Subaru and Emilia have their split? Because IIRC you said that Subaru and Emilia had a bit of a conflict which resulted in their separation. |
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Jun 1, 2016 3:43 PM
#294
No...no..n...okay you're right :D! bobzanny said: Since it seems like Arc 3 begins on episode 12, when do Subaru and Emilia have their split? Because IIRC you said that Subaru and Emilia had a bit of a conflict which resulted in their separation. If episode 12 will go as far as I think then Subaru and Emilia should split in episode 14. |
Jun 1, 2016 3:48 PM
#295
Fappa said: No...no..n...okay you're right :D! bobzanny said: Since it seems like Arc 3 begins on episode 12, when do Subaru and Emilia have their split? Because IIRC you said that Subaru and Emilia had a bit of a conflict which resulted in their separation. If episode 12 will go as far as I think then Subaru and Emilia should split in episode 14. Ok, so it seems like Arc 3 hits the ground running and I can only imagine what that does to Subaru's psyche. In the recent Arcs, like 5/6, are they pretty close romantically? Or is there still some lingering resentment? |
Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
Jun 1, 2016 3:51 PM
#296
Fappa said: No...no..n...okay you're right :D! bobzanny said: Since it seems like Arc 3 begins on episode 12, when do Subaru and Emilia have their split? Because IIRC you said that Subaru and Emilia had a bit of a conflict which resulted in their separation. If episode 12 will go as far as I think then Subaru and Emilia should split in episode 14. Yes, I found another sadist. Grab the popcorn and enjoy the ending of arc 3 with a bright smile or an evil laugh. :3 (DarklordVor hates me now) |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jun 1, 2016 4:00 PM
#297
Fappa said: Exactly. That's why I think Re:Zero will leave a really good impression for most people after ep.25. I believe the majority of people will have a love-hate-relationship with the ending. They hate it because of what happens, not in a "that's bullshit" kind of way but in a "the feels" kind of way. They will also love it because the ending leaves you with such a certain feeling that is incredible. You feel like the arc has been resolved and we came to a conclusion but at the same time you don't want to accept that this is the conclusion because of your emotions and it feels like someone punched you in the face and...You. Crave. For. More. I'm sick of these endings where our cast stands on top of a hill, staring at the sunset, hair waving in the wind and we get a subtle hint as "but we knew that was only the start of our adventure". This is so unsatisfying. Re:Zero on the other side makes it storm like hell and dark as the night and kicks this entire cast in the face. I see a lot of people already being so emotionally attached to the characters, especially Subaru. The ending will just destroy them. And Subaru's suffering so far is ... you know it already. It's just the beginning. I'm sure he will break some (more) hearts. ^^ Btw. I see it's already the most favored series of the season. It's quite impressive because almost nobody heard of this before. Now imagine it after arc 3.. :D |
Jun 1, 2016 4:06 PM
#298
bobzanny said: Ok, so it seems like Arc 3 hits the ground running and I can only imagine what that does to Subaru's psyche. In the recent Arcs, like 5/6, are they pretty close romantically? Or is there still some lingering resentment? Yes he undergoes various developments. One of them is being at the lowest of low, left alone by basically everybody plunged into depression and from that tossed into hell. Compared to what arc 3 does to Subaru's psyche and mental state, arc 2 is "having a bad day" lol. After the end of arc 3 Emilia trusts him completely and becomes way more attached to him. Eventually he confesses to her and with the little bit of understanding she has about romance she more or less accepts. At first they a mere pillar of supports for each other. Especially after what happened to our lovely Oni maid Subaru is in a really difficult emotional state. It almost feels like he can't allow himself to be happy and laid back because of that and this slows down the romantic progress between the two. Later on Emilia more and more understands her feelings and they become actual lovers that interact with each other in a romantic way. But it's never your happy go lucky romance as Subaru is a branded person with Rem and well the situation they are in doesn't allow it. Personally I love their relationship because it really feels like two people who have to shoulder a large burden struggle to stay alive in this world and in the end they have each other...on the other side it makes it even sadder when Subaru has to watch how his girl get brutally slaughtered and he has to move on getting the information he wants |
Jun 1, 2016 4:17 PM
#299
Fappa said: bobzanny said: Ok, so it seems like Arc 3 hits the ground running and I can only imagine what that does to Subaru's psyche. In the recent Arcs, like 5/6, are they pretty close romantically? Or is there still some lingering resentment? Yes he undergoes various developments. One of them is being at the lowest of low, left alone by basically everybody plunged into depression and from that tossed into hell. Compared to what arc 3 does to Subaru's psyche and mental state, arc 2 is "having a bad day" lol. After the end of arc 3 Emilia trusts him completely and becomes way more attached to him. Eventually he confesses to her and with the little bit of understanding she has about romance she more or less accepts. At first they a mere pillar of supports for each other. Especially after what happened to our lovely Oni maid Subaru is in a really difficult emotional state. It almost feels like he can't allow himself to be happy and laid back because of that and this slows down the romantic progress between the two. Later on Emilia more and more understands her feelings and they become actual lovers that interact with each other in a romantic way. But it's never your happy go lucky romance as Subaru is a branded person with Rem and well the situation they are in doesn't allow it. Personally I love their relationship because it really feels like two people who have to shoulder a large burden struggle to stay alive in this world and in the end they have each other...on the other side it makes it even sadder when Subaru has to watch how his girl get brutally slaughtered and he has to move on getting the information he wants "Arc 2 is like having a bad day." Lol nothing is every easy for Subaru. God I can't wait just to see a glimpse of Arc 3 and all of its glory. And I really can't wait to see the turn of events that create the distrust between Subaru and Emilia and what causes Rem to go with Subaru plus all the reactions. Once thing I've noticed upon rewatching this show, is that there's a lot of subtle foreshadowing that pays off in big ways. Like it feels every scene is contextually important. White Fox is truly outdoing themselves this year. |
Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
Jun 1, 2016 4:18 PM
#300
ColdBreeze said: Exactly. That's why I think Re:Zero will leave a really good impression for most people after ep.25. And Subaru's suffering so far is ... you know it already. It's just the beginning. I'm sure he will break some (more) hearts. ^^ Btw. I see it's already the most favored series of the season. It's quite impressive because almost nobody heard of this before. Now imagine it after arc 3.. :D Definitely. Oh yes he will and others too. Hell certain characters managed to win my heard immediately and seeing their fate unfolding in front of my eyes just hurt me so much. Exactly and that's why the "overrated" or "overhyped" argument absolutely doesn't work in my opinion. This show didn't have an army of manga reader hyping the hell out of it. The source material was close to completely unknown here in the west. It didn't ride on any obvious success of a show because the majority deemed it as your generic fantasy harem show. The show earned its popularity ( and its rating, at least here on MAL ) through the content it delivered week by week so in other words, by itself. To me that's a sign for a legitimately good show. I can only say it again and again, week after week. I'm baffled that this show has already seen such a positive reception and popularity despite being at its weakest point in the entire story and this 2-cour season. The real meat of these 25 episodes lies in the second cour, the author knows that, the source material know that and even White Fox themselves know that. What I recognized is that they seem to hold back in various areas. Soundtrack wise we have heard a considerably low amount of different OST throughout these 9 episodes. The opening and ED visuals also seemed to hold back as they were really careful to only depict what lies in arc 1+2. I believe that once we hit arc 3 they go full throttle and a lot of eyes will be on this show despite the arrival of a new season. |
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