| All of these "discussions" and all those "reviews" but none of those is talking about the message OPM tried to pass to the viewers. One punch man is a tale about a hero who is way too strong and how his strength is effecting his life.The message was that having too much strength is boring and even depressing(as stated by the main character in ep one). This concept was treated as a parody during the beginning, saitamas character was treated as a plain joke.But the true color were revealed after the boros fight,and that having too much power is in fact truly sad and lonely.Sad music during the boros final breath was sad for a reason you know. Writer could have made Boros equal to saitama,that way the final fight would actually look like a fight but thats not the point. Therefore OPM should be rated based on its premise. If you dont like its premise then thats your personal taste that should not effect your objective score.(that is if you want to rate it objectively) But all i hear is: "wowowow OPM is sooo funny' "meh jokes are so lame" "wowowwo the animation" "wtf is with this stupid art,where is muratas art?" "wtf why is he beating everyone with one punch sooo boriiing" "OMG WHY DOESNT SAITAMA GET ANY CREDIT GRRRR" "i cant enjoy this cuz the fans and their opinion ruined it for me" "omg why is this sooo overrated" 'lolol your opinion is stupid NO YOUR OPINION IS STUID11!!!" |
| All I hear is constant bait threads followed with "ok" |
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| Pretty deep stuff. I now look at life differently, thanks OPM. |
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| Its a show about a guy who punches things, there's not deep meaning in that and yes, people only watch it because "omg is so funny lol xdxdxd" |
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| I don't consider it a "deep meaning", but OP is right about the premise, which makes itself so apparent that one has to be an obliviously inattentive watcher to miss it. Where I disagree is on there being such a thing as an "objective score". |
| There's this thing called a different interpretation People may not see that based on what was shown to them; they may disagree with how that premise is executed as opposed to how they want it to be executed and that's alright |
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| Sure. It's still actually the premise, though. |
| Watch it and discover it for yourself. if you can't find any, your problem |
| It's also about Saitama finding his place in the hero world. A lot of people seem to gloss over the fact that Saitama's character evolved during the series. At first he cared for little more than wanting a thrill from fighting and achieving fame and recognition. He didn't even want to deal with other people (being so adamant about not wanting Genos as a disciple.) And as the series progresses, those selfish desires gave way to a side of Saitama he might not have even noticed he had. When Saitama said he didn't care about receiving recognition, that was a blatant contradiction of his frustration with no one knowing who he is or praising him. And the one chance he finally gets that, he casts it aside to maintain the integrity of heroes. Saitama's own interpretation of what kind of hero he is seems to change the more he's exposed to other people. Had he not met Genos or Mumen rider, he probably would have carried on being the same douche who just wanted a fanclub. |
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| The premise is about fisting. |
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| being the strongest thing in the world seems really sad characters like saitama tatsuya and kirito are very tragic indeed |
tsudecimo said: Pretty deep stuff. I now look at life differently, thanks OPM. ^ |
gabrielrroiz said: being the strongest thing in the world seems really sad characters like saitama tatsuya and kirito are very tragic indeed When the goal of your life is based on finding something worth challenging, yes it is pretty sad |
| got the message loud and clear saitama had 2 moves: gonna kill you punch, not gonna kill you punch |
Smetsys said: got the message loud and clear saitama had 2 moves: gonna kill you punch, not gonna kill you punch There are also flips, kicks, slaps, etc. |
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MightyM16 said: gabrielrroiz said: being the strongest thing in the world seems really sad characters like saitama tatsuya and kirito are very tragic indeed When the goal of your life is based on finding something worth challenging, yes it is pretty sad Change your fucking job, then |
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| It's a cartoon for children, what do you want? |
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: When the goal of your life is based on finding something worth challenging, yes it is pretty sad Change your fucking job, then lol |
| Pretty sure that's readily apparent to anyone with a brain. You also say premise and then say message. |
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: When the goal of your life is based on finding something worth challenging, yes it is pretty sad Change your fucking job, then Him being unhappy with "le normal salaryman life" is the reason he went to look for excitement as a hero in the first place why would he change back? |
MightyM16 said: Lollo36 said: Change your fucking job, then Him being unhappy with "le normal salaryman life" is the reason he went to look for excitement as a hero in the first place why would he change back? Yeah, because being a normal salaryman and being a hero are the only 2 choices available to us |
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Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: Him being unhappy with "le normal salaryman life" is the reason he went to look for excitement as a hero in the first place why would he change back? Yeah, because being a normal salaryman and being a hero are the only 2 choices available to us I don't know if you ever thought about this, but maybe, I don't know... he likes to be a hero over anything else. Just because you can't reach a certain goal for now(that is finding a good opponent in this case) it doesn't mean you should just give up on what you like and look for something else |
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: Him being unhappy with "le normal salaryman life" is the reason he went to look for excitement as a hero in the first place why would he change back? Yeah, because being a normal salaryman and being a hero are the only 2 choices available to us Wow, do you self insert yourself as Saitama? |
Veldin461 said: Lollo36 said: Yeah, because being a normal salaryman and being a hero are the only 2 choices available to us I don't know if you ever thought about this, but maybe, I don't know... he likes to be a hero over anything else. Just because you can't reach a certain goal for now(that is finding a good opponent in this case) it doesn't mean you should just give up on what you like and look for something else How can he like being a hero over anything else if he's bored of everything and he has a deadpan expression 24/7? Wasn't this fact the whole premise of this thread? What does he even know about "anything else" if all he did was applying for random jobs and being rejected for a while before he decided to become a hero? |
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Lollo36 said: Veldin461 said: I don't know if you ever thought about this, but maybe, I don't know... he likes to be a hero over anything else. Just because you can't reach a certain goal for now(that is finding a good opponent in this case) it doesn't mean you should just give up on what you like and look for something else How can he like being a hero over anything else if he's bored of everything and he has a deadpan expression 24/7? Wasn't this fact the whole premise of this thread? What does he even know about "anything else" if all he did was applying for random jobs and being rejected for a while before he decided to become a hero? You're forgetting the point that he had fun being a hero before it became some kind of boring hobby to him because he turned out to be too OP |
MightyM16 said: Lollo36 said: How can he like being a hero over anything else if he's bored of everything and he has a deadpan expression 24/7? Wasn't this fact the whole premise of this thread? What does he even know about "anything else" if all he did was applying for random jobs and being rejected for a while before he decided to become a hero? You're forgetting the point that he had fun being a hero before it became a boring hobby to him I'm not forgetting anything, FFS, how does this fact change anything? Am I meant to find it tragic that he can't let go of something he felt years ago, even though he only needs to try out literally any other job or hobby that isn't just based on physical prowess in order to feel challenged again? Holy shit, you guys... |
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Lollo36 said: Veldin461 said: I don't know if you ever thought about this, but maybe, I don't know... he likes to be a hero over anything else. Just because you can't reach a certain goal for now(that is finding a good opponent in this case) it doesn't mean you should just give up on what you like and look for something else How can he like being a hero over anything else if he's bored of everything and he has a deadpan expression 24/7? Wasn't this fact the whole premise of this thread? What does he even know about "anything else" if all he did was applying for random jobs and being rejected for a while before he decided to become a hero? then lets go back to your first post then and the "Change your fucking job, then" You do realise that the hero thing is just a hobby for him, right? You can earn a few money from that game you love but is not as fun as it was when you started cause it's to easy now, but you still have hope to find anyone that can compete against you someday, kinda thing. It's not really a "job" Note: Just read your last comment. I never once told you to find it to be tragic. I don't find it tragic. I found your answer to be a bit distorted anyway, just that =/ |
Veldin461Dec 22, 2015 1:45 PM
Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: You're forgetting the point that he had fun being a hero before it became a boring hobby to him I'm not forgetting anything, FFS, how does this fact change anything? Am I meant to find it tragic that he can't let go of something he felt years ago, even though he only needs to try out literally any other job or hobby that isn't just based on physical prowess in order to feel challenged again? Holy shit, you guys... You're supposed to understand that he is just trying to find what he lost he likes being a hero, it's what he wants...it's just boring for him compared to before Basically, look at Boros situation, he is an evil galaxy pirate but forever bored because he is too strong, that's why he made the trip to Earth but...did he stop being a pirate overlord because of it? No, he just kept hoping to find someone to challenge him |
MightyM16 said: Lollo36 said: I'm not forgetting anything, FFS, how does this fact change anything? Am I meant to find it tragic that he can't let go of something he felt years ago, even though he only needs to try out literally any other job or hobby that isn't just based on physical prowess in order to feel challenged again? Holy shit, you guys... You're supposed to understand that he is just trying to find what he lost he likes being a hero, it's what he wants...it's just boring for him compared to before Basically, look at Boros situation, he is an evil galaxy pirate but forever bored because he is too strong, that's why he made the trip to Earth but...did he stop being a pirate overlord because of it? No And I'm telling you that he just needs to find a different job or hobby to find what he lost, there is nothing tragic about his situation (unless he's just addicted to violence) |
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Lollo36 said: MightyM16 said: You're supposed to understand that he is just trying to find what he lost he likes being a hero, it's what he wants...it's just boring for him compared to before Basically, look at Boros situation, he is an evil galaxy pirate but forever bored because he is too strong, that's why he made the trip to Earth but...did he stop being a pirate overlord because of it? No And I'm telling you that he just needs to find a different job or hobby to find what he lost, there is nothing tragic about his situation (unless he's just addicted to violence) v he likes being a hero, it's what he wants...it's just boring for him compared to before I never said it was tragic btw, just sad |
SS2_Vegeto said: Sure. It's still actually the premise, though. omfgplzstop said: No, the premise is about a guy who can kill anything in one punch, his desire to be a hero for fun, and his experiences in a world full of monsters and heroesThere's much more to the show than just action and comedy, and I find it absurd that people can't actually realize this. I get the whole different interpretation thing, but yeah, like the guy above said, it's still the premise. What's mentioned in the OP is likely the message ONE is trying to convey, but that doesn't stop alternate perceptions from existing |
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omfgplzstop said: OhBy 'find it absurd that people are not realizing this' I meant people treating the comedy/action as the only elements of the show worth mentioning, which I still fail to wrap my head around. That makes a lot more sense Although I'm pretty sure most people still acknowledge it, most of the actual material shown lies in the comedy/action and the implications of the premise are significantly more subtle |
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MightyM16 said: gabrielrroiz said: being the strongest thing in the world seems really sad characters like saitama tatsuya and kirito are very tragic indeed When the goal of your life is based on finding something worth challenging, yes it is pretty sad so we are supposed to be sad for saitama for him being the best and have this laughble goals in life with his strenght he can become a hero known and loved by anyone but we are supposed to fell sad for him because he never achieve his selfish goal in life |
omfgplzstop said: gabrielrroiz said: being the strongest thing in the world seems really sad characters like saitama tatsuya and kirito are very tragic indeed why do so many people miss the point like this? were SAO and Mahouka executed the same way as OPM? he is handled awfully the author loves to victimizing him the best example is when he saves everyone from the sea king and the the author think it is a good idea to make people hate him for some contrived reason |
| Yes I did know it, it was blatantly said somewhere in the manga, I don't remember if they did in the anime but it's pretty easy to see. I'm more surprised some people didn't know about it. |
omfgplzstop said: gabrielrroiz said: so we are supposed to be sad for saitama for him being the best and have this laughble goals in life with his strenght he can become a hero known and loved by anyone but we are supposed to fell sad for him because he never achieve his selfish goal in life gabrielrroiz said: he is handled awfully the author loves to victimizing him the best example is when he saves everyone from the sea king and the the author think it is a good idea to make people hate him for some contrived reason REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE i hate dumb people we all do |
gabrielrroiz said: so we are supposed to be sad for saitama for him being the best and have this laughble goals in life with his strenght he can become a hero known and loved by anyone but we are supposed to fell sad for him because he never achieve his selfish goal in life Not really, feeling sad for him is not mandatory though it helps if you at least understand his situation which looks like you don't, in fact it also seems like you didn't watch the series at all Saitama could care less for fame, praise or fortune ( it's in the opening translated lyrics even), what he really wants is to have a hot blooded shounen fight which is impossible for him because he is just too OP, it's a different concept and premise from other series, it's refreshing IMO gabrielrroiz said: he is handled awfully the author loves to victimizing him the best example is when he saves everyone from the sea king and the the author think it is a good idea to make people hate him for some contrived reason lol, you didn't really watched the series did you? No one was talking shit about him because of what he did with the sea king, it was only one person, one single troll, that was talking shit about the other heroes; Saitama did what he did to save face for these other heroes because a) he doesn't really cares about praise or fame b) he understands what a true hero must do, which is why he respects Mumen Rider The author is merely reflectign how RL works, there will always be haters, trolls, and disbelievers since people are skeptical by nature |
MightyM16 said: gabrielrroiz said: so we are supposed to be sad for saitama for him being the best and have this laughble goals in life with his strenght he can become a hero known and loved by anyone but we are supposed to fell sad for him because he never achieve his selfish goal in life Not really, feeling sad for him is not mandatory though it helps if you at least understand his situation which looks like you don't, in fact it also seems like you didn't watch the series at all Saitama could care less for fame, praise or fortune ( it's in the opening translated lyrics even), what he really wants is to have a hot blooded shounen fight which is impossible for him because he is just too OP, it's a different concept and premise from other series, it's refreshing IMO gabrielrroiz said: he is handled awfully the author loves to victimizing him the best example is when he saves everyone from the sea king and the the author think it is a good idea to make people hate him for some contrived reason lol, you didn't really watched the series did you? No one was talking shit about him because of what he did with the sea king, it was only one person, one single troll, that was talking shit about the other heroes; Saitama did what he did to save face for these other heroes because a) he doesn't really cares about praise or fame b) he understands what a true hero must do, which is why he respects Mumen Rider The author is merely reflectign how RL works, there will always be haters, trolls, and disbelievers since people are skeptical by nature first he should care about fame his only reason to join the heroes association was to get famous and he forgots that in the next episodes for no reason and no after he made that stupid speech aboutr him using other heroes everybody starts hating him for cheating and that is manupulation from the author that constantly try to avoid saitama to get to the s class where he clearly belong |
gabrielrroizDec 23, 2015 7:03 AM
gabrielrroiz said: MightyM16 said: Not really, feeling sad for him is not mandatory though it helps if you at least understand his situation which looks like you don't, in fact it also seems like you didn't watch the series at all Saitama could care less for fame, praise or fortune ( it's in the opening translated lyrics even), what he really wants is to have a hot blooded shounen fight which is impossible for him because he is just too OP, it's a different concept and premise from other series, it's refreshing IMO lol, you didn't really watched the series did you? No one was talking shit about him because of what he did with the sea king, it was only one person, one single troll, that was talking shit about the other heroes; Saitama did what he did to save face for these other heroes because a) he doesn't really cares about praise or fame b) he understands what a true hero must do, which is why he respects Mumen Rider The author is merely reflectign how RL works, there will always be haters, trolls, and disbelievers since people are skeptical by nature first he should care about fame his only reason to join the heroes association was to get famous and he forgots that in the next episodes for no reason and no after he made that stupid speech aboutr him using other heroes everybody starts hating him for cheating and that is manupulation from the author that constantly try to avoid saitama to get to the s class He obviously developed within the story, he truly began the story feeling rather annoyed for the fact that some of his exploits were not recognized but with time he obviously developed out of that and came to represent what the opening says about him. This is specially clear on episodes 7 when he plainly tells everyone that were saying shit about him that he was being hero for his own sake and episode 9 when he bonds with Mumen Rider and helps out the fallen heroes instead of basking in the glory of defeating the Sea King Saitama could care less about class and ratings as long as he is not in C class being held back by daily quotas, I don't see why you should care as well in fact this whole class paramater is a huge parody of other series power ratings, you'll only notice that in season 2 though |
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