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| The real answer is; Noble Phamtasms- Plot Armour Ex And Plot Powerup Ex |
Insertanamehere said: FxdThe real answer is; Noble Phamtasms- Plot Armour Ex And Plot Powerup Ex lolnasu |
astroprogs said: I think we all know it's because Nasu is too lazy to write the scene. |
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| From Aron's FB page: Aron said: the script nasu wrote for episode 25 had a scene where luvia reminisces about the time she first met Shirou she was attacked and shirou saved her with kanshou in one hand and a bag of groceries in the other I-is this real? If it was, WHY THE HELL DID THEY CUT THAT? |
SwiftKilla said: astroprogs said: From Aron's FB page: I-is this real? If it was, WHY THE HELL DID THEY CUT THAT? Yea, they could have totally made episode 25 2 episodes long, they cut out so much! They even fucked up the end of episode 25. Got botched reaalll bad. I really hate Miura after reading this. I really fucking do. This is a level of botching a source material unlike anything he ruined in the rest of the series. The fanservice director doesn't even know what real fanservice is if the he best he can do is show Rin's thighs when he had this gold mine of an episode. I can't believe the episode excited me that much when the end result was actually less than half what was originally there. Damn this adaptation for being the series of disappointments i can only remember it by. Thanks for posting this. It was great picturing it in my head despite feeling the disappointment of it not being animated. EDIT: Aaaaand this piece of information caused me to drop the score to an 8 instead of 9. I gave it a 9 in the first place because I thought they actually did the last episode pretty well as a fan service episode for the VN reader. Turns out, they fucking didn't. |
astroprogsOct 17, 2015 8:32 PM
| Yes because cutting out a funky lol cameo look funnies luvia hohohoho is relevant to the point of the episode? I can think of a few reasons to drop scores for it, cutting an overbloated script written for a double episode when they only had a single length one to work with isn't one. |
Insertanamehere said: Yes because cutting out a funky lol cameo look funnies luvia hohohoho is relevant to the point of the episode? I can think of a few reasons to drop scores for it, cutting an overbloated script written for a double episode when they only had a single length one to work with isn't one. i'd rather have that than 10 minutes footage of shirou eating or rin's ass. At least scenes like that make Shirou look like a freaking main character instead of last episode being "Rin's Daily Life epilogue for Rin(And the Dumb Ginger Idiot) The Show" |
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Insertanamehere said: Yes because cutting out a funky lol cameo look funnies luvia hohohoho is relevant to the point of the episode? I can think of a few reasons to drop scores for it, cutting an overbloated script written for a double episode when they only had a single length one to work with isn't one. Everything shown in the epilogue episode that's not not a part of the VN's epilogue was irrelevant in the first place. The episode's point was clearly fanservice for the VN readers seeing how the majority of anime onlies were bored of this episode and called it unnecessary, which it was. For them that is. As a VN reader, the end result compared to what was supposed to be there is just bad, and I'm not even talking about Luvia's cameo like it's the only thing that got botched. Time limit shouldn't be an issue when you can add all these scenes to BDs. I can't excuse the time limit when he says that, apparently, "There wasn't enough material to adapt". |
SwiftKilla said: astroprogs said: From Aron's FB page: I-is this real? If it was, WHY THE HELL DID THEY CUT THAT? Yea, they could have totally made episode 25 2 episodes long, they cut out so much! They even fucked up the end of episode 25. Got botched reaalll bad. I was wondering when someone would post this, lol. |
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| can someone link me nasu's blog about the end scene? |
| [quote=astroprogs] Insertanamehere said: The episode's point was clearly fanservice for the VN readers seeing how the majority of anime onlies were bored of this episode and called it unnecessary, which it was. And you know what majority thinks how? Pretending your opinion is shared by most of others, why? Clearly talking out of your ass. Nothing in this anime is just "fanservice for VN readers", lmao. |
Frozenkex said: And you know what majority thinks how? Pretending your opinion is shared by most of others, why? Clearly talking out of your ass. This was the opinion most anime-only viewers had in here, reddit discussions, various forums and countless Youtube videos with thousands of viewers and comments. There's no some hidden agenda here, so calm down a bit there. Frozenkex said: Nothing in this anime is just "fanservice for VN readers", lmao. Are you really arguing that Luvia, who had nothing to do with UBW's story whatsoever, was cameo'd here for the anime-only viewers? Or are you saying that ufo are giving a nod to Prillya? Because both of these arguments are equally absurd. |
astroprogsOct 19, 2015 7:51 PM
| [quote=Frozenkex] astroprogs said: lolwut dude?Insertanamehere said: The episode's point was clearly fanservice for the VN readers seeing how the majority of anime onlies were bored of this episode and called it unnecessary, which it was. And you know what majority thinks how? Pretending your opinion is shared by most of others, why? Clearly talking out of your ass. Nothing in this anime is just "fanservice for VN readers", lmao. |
stuff said: ty you wouldnt also have the link to the raw nasu blog do you?Maloghurst said: can someone link me nasu's blog about the end scene? If you mean the translated blog then here. |
stuff said: thank you someone was asking me about it and i wanted to link him the the source and the translations |
astroprogs said: This was the opinion most anime-only viewers had in here, reddit discussions, various forums and countless Youtube videos with thousands of viewers and comments. There's no some hidden agenda here, so calm down a bit there. Glad to see you being so very aware of everything and reading everything and everywhere and being the voice for communities across the world /s. Baseless statements all around, and it's not something I've read anywhere that"majority" of people are saying, quite the opposite in fact, take the episode 25 discussion on mal or reddit for instance- "majority" greatly enjoyed those episodes and say nothing like what you've said unless they're stuck up VN purists/miura-haters. What you're saying is absolutely ridiculous. Your agenda is monopoly on your "truth" and "facts" in the tiny anti-miura circle jerk you participate in. VN readers are also a minority - or does that assumption does not fit with your reality? Are you really arguing that Luvia, who had nothing to do with UBW's story whatsoever, was cameo'd here for the anime-only viewers? Or are you saying that ufo are giving a nod to Prillya? Because both of these arguments are equally absurd. I've heard VN purists going as far as saying entire UBW is fanservice for VN readers, you saying whole episode 25 episode is such... because of Luvia? Both equally absurd. Yes Luvia can totally be a nod to Prillya, and she is also a funny character, its easy to enjoy those scenes for someone who never seen her before. And if scene with luvia was aimed at F/HA VN readers, then thats that, rather than whole episode. Lack objectivity is astounding. And Weaver was fanservice for FZ, which many are familiar with. Rest is pretty sweet SoL and conclusion. Nowhere does that make the episode "fanservice for VN readers". |
FrozenkexOct 19, 2015 11:55 PM
| A "funny" character who appeared out of nowhere in the last episode without any explanation or introduction. In an episode that is filled with VN homages and feels like an OVA to anime onlies. In a show which is outright impossible to understand or "get the point" without information from VN(good luck understanding Shirou or his powers or anything about Illya or overall lore and how things work). Yes. It is fanservice for VN readers. It makes sense since the whole show is pretty much that. The only real things complete anime onlies would buy the BDs for are action scenes, "zero sequel" and shots of Rin's thighs. Deal with it. |
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Frozenkex said: astroprogs said: This was the opinion most anime-only viewers had in here, reddit discussions, various forums and countless Youtube videos with thousands of viewers and comments. There's no some hidden agenda here, so calm down a bit there. Glad to see you being so very aware of everything and reading everything and everywhere and being the voice for communities across the world /s. Baseless statements all around, and it's not something I've read anywhere that"majority" of people are saying, quite the opposite in fact, take the episode 25 discussion on mal or reddit for instance- "majority" greatly enjoyed those episodes and say nothing like what you've said unless they're stuck up VN purists/miura-haters. What you're saying is absolutely ridiculous. Your agenda is monopoly on your "truth" and "facts" in the tiny anti-miura circle jerk you participate in. VN readers are also a minority - or does that assumption does not fit with your reality? Sarcasm to a calm and respectful reply, eh? Well, you seem like a nice person who's a pleasure to talk to. You can argue your point without being an ass you know. I like how you're claiming my statements to be baseless without providing any counter argument aside from "no u". Enjoying it doesn't mean they view it as necessary. I've seen and read enough discussions to be sure of what I'm saying. At no point did i say that this opinion is "truth" or "fact". I said that this was what i able to see from the majority of people in a LOT of sites, forums and blogs. If you interpreted that as "I made a scientific survey", then your reading comprehension is the one to blame here. VN readers are a minority in the west AKA where Japanese studios never focus on. Fate is a huge franchise in Japan where the majority of Bluray Boxes and merchandise buyers are long time fans due to being, you guessed it, VN readers. Focusing a lot of aspects in the show to your biggest demographic is the natural thing to do. Frozenkex said: Are you really arguing that Luvia, who had nothing to do with UBW's story whatsoever, was cameo'd here for the anime-only viewers? Or are you saying that ufo are giving a nod to Prillya? Because both of these arguments are equally absurd. I've heard VN purists going as far as saying entire UBW is fanservice for VN readers, you saying whole episode 25 episode is such... because of Luvia? Both equally absurd. Yes Luvia can totally be a nod to Prillya, and she is also a funny character, its easy to enjoy those scenes for someone who never seen her before. And if scene with luvia was aimed at F/HA VN readers, then thats that, rather than whole episode. Lack objectivity is astounding. And Weaver was fanservice for FZ, which many are familiar with. Rest is pretty sweet SoL and conclusion. Nowhere does that make the episode "fanservice for VN readers". No, UBW in its entirety is not just for VN readers. Episode 25, aside from the Waver cameo and the small bit at school, most definitely is. Shirou and Rin's life in London was a requested thing years and years ago, so it's not like expanding a very small epilogue to a whole episode and risking an ending fatigue like they did was exactly for the anime-only viewers benefit. That "pretty sweet SoL" that took the majority of the episode's runtime is fluff to the story of UBW. Again, enjoying it doesn't mean they view it as necessary. You seem to be mixing the two. Nasu, the VN author, wrote that final episode himself. I don't think he was using a character HE CREATED himself 10 years ago and was present in multiple popular media he wrote as a nod to another writer's very recent anime spin-off. |
astroprogsOct 20, 2015 6:45 AM
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Animestic said: Damn,some people take the porn game a bit too seriously. But on a serious note, No because |
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CookingPriest said: Animestic said: Damn,some people take the porn game a bit too seriously. But on a serious note, No because Uh....I am a bit hazy on details but what are the limitations then? |
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Animestic said: CookingPriest said: No because Uh....I am a bit hazy on details but what are the limitations then? |
AhenshihaelOct 26, 2015 12:19 PM
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CookingPriest said: Animestic said: Uh....I am a bit hazy on details but what are the limitations then? |
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| Yahallo! I've got some questions regarding the UBW anime. VN spoilers are okay too since I want to know where ufo fvcked up. 1. At episode 1 or prologue I think where Illya meets Shirou for the first time. How does Illya know that Shirou is a master? It wasn't outright said but but from her smirk, I guess it's safe to assume she knew about what was going to happen. During that time Shirou hasn't summoned Saber yet. 2. What does Archer mean by his imperfect summoning? Wasn't he summoned perfectly since Archer had a catalyst in him? 3. My memories of Zero are quite hazy but why was there a magic circle at Shirou's storage? I feel like Kerry's responsible but I still wanna know. 4. How was Shirou able to summon Saber without some kind of ritual like Rin did with Archer? Avalon was Saber's catalyst right? How did Shirou get Avalon? 5. How did Saber dodge Gae Bolg? Wasn't it supposed to be an undodgeable? Also, how does Gae Bolg actually work? I don't get the "Reverses cause and effect" part. I actually have a lot of questions but I'll keep it 5 at a time until all my questions have been answered. |
BebeCharlotte said: Yahallo! I've got some questions regarding the UBW anime. VN spoilers are okay too since I want to know where ufo fvcked up. 1. At episode 1 or prologue I think where Illya meets Shirou for the first time. How does Illya know that Shirou is a master? It wasn't outright said but but from her smirk, I guess it's safe to assume she knew about what was going to happen. During that time Shirou hasn't summoned Saber yet. 2. What does Archer mean by his imperfect summoning? Wasn't he summoned perfectly since Archer had a catalyst in him? 3. My memories of Zero are quite hazy but why was there a magic circle at Shirou's storage? I feel like Kerry's responsible but I still wanna know. 4. How was Shirou able to summon Saber without some kind of ritual like Rin did with Archer? Avalon was Saber's catalyst right? How did Shirou get Avalon? 5. How did Saber dodge Gae Bolg? Wasn't it supposed to be an undodgeable? Also, how does Gae Bolg actually work? I don't get the "Reverses cause and effect" part. I actually have a lot of questions but I'll keep it 5 at a time until all my questions have been answered. 1. He's Kiritsugu's son and one of the very few mages who lives in Fuyuki. From what she heard from Acht, there's no way Kiritsugu's son wouldn't be a Master. 2. He lied to cover his identity. 3. Iri had Saber draw it there to give her a bit more time before totally collapsing as the 4th war approaches the end. 4. Shirou had his work cut out for him because he had a CS, the hero's catalyst, a magic circuit drawn by that same hero and an extreme surge in survival instinct due to the situation. He had Avalon because Kiritsugu used it to save his life at the end of the last war. 5. A-rank luck. Yeah, Luck is actually a thing that determines outcomes in the Fate universe. Gae Bolg reverses cause and effect meaning that the opponent's heart wasn't pierced because Lancer threw it (cause > effect), he threw it because it already pierced the heart (effect > cause). Hope that answers these questions. Edit: Damn phone autocorrect. |
astroprogsNov 14, 2015 12:40 AM
astroprogs said: BebeCharlotte said: Yahallo! I've got some questions regarding the UBW anime. VN spoilers are okay too since I want to know where ufo fvcked up. 1. At episode 1 or prologue I think where Illya meets Shirou for the first time. How does Illya know that Shirou is a master? It wasn't outright said but but from her smirk, I guess it's safe to assume she knew about what was going to happen. During that time Shirou hasn't summoned Saber yet. 2. What does Archer mean by his imperfect summoning? Wasn't he summoned perfectly since Archer had a catalyst in him? 3. My memories of Zero are quite hazy but why was there a magic circle at Shirou's storage? I feel like Kerry's responsible but I still wanna know. 4. How was Shirou able to summon Saber without some kind of ritual like Rin did with Archer? Avalon was Saber's catalyst right? How did Shirou get Avalon? 5. How did Saber dodge Gae Bolg? Wasn't it supposed to be an undodgeable? Also, how does Gae Bolg actually work? I don't get the "Reverses cause and effect" part. I actually have a lot of questions but I'll keep it 5 at a time until all my questions have been answered. 1. He's Kiritsugu's son and one of the very few mages who lives in Fuyuki. From what she heard from Acht, there's no way Kiritsugu's son wouldn't be a Master. 2. He lied to cover his identity. 3. Iri had Saber draw it there to give her a bit more time before totally collapsing as the 4th war approaches the end. 4. Shirou had his work cut out for him because he had a CS, the hero's catalyst, a magic circuit drawn by that same hero and an extreme surge in survival instinct due to the situation. He had Avalon because Kiritsugu used it to save his life at the end of the last war. 5. A-rank luck. Yeah, Luck is actually a thing that determines outcomes in the Fate universe. Gae Bolg reverses cause and effect meaning that the opponent's heart wasn't pierced because Lancer threw it (cause > effect), he threw it because it already pierced the heart (effect > cause). Hope that answers these questions. Edit: Damn phone autocorrect. 4. What's a CS and how did he get it? What I understood from what you said is that Shirou had a magic circuit drawn by Saber herself. Is that right? Also what does survival instinct have to do with summoning a servant? 5. I still don't get how Saber could've dodged an undodgeable blow with luck. Doesn't that contradict with Gae Bolg's ability? Even Archer said that the only way to defend himself from Gae Bolg was to take it directly which he did using Rho Aias. Thanks to the other guy who answered although he had different answers. I still appreciate it. |
| He had command seals to summon a HS is what he means. Plural, not singular. FZ 4.He means he had the survival instinct to run to is workshop, I guess? Idk though, he didnt plan on summoning Saber or know the circle was there or anything. 5.Archer has E rank luck so thats his only way of surviving it, yeah. Fate/EXTRA said: What is needed to dodge Gae Bolg isn’t high agility but the power to reverse fate before the activation of Gae Bolg: high luck. Fate/side said: In order to evade Gae Bolg, one would require Noble Phantasms that automatically resurrected the target after death like that of Berserker's, or a high degree of Luck sufficient to negate the curse of the spear. "Luck" isnt just being lucky, it can let you avoid "fate" at a high enough rank. |
Insertanamehere said: He had command seals to summon a HS is what he means. Plural, not singular. FZ 4.He means he had the survival instinct to run to is workshop, I guess? Idk though, he didnt plan on summoning Saber or know the circle was there or anything. 5.Archer has E rank luck so thats his only way of surviving it, yeah. Fate/EXTRA said: What is needed to dodge Gae Bolg isn’t high agility but the power to reverse fate before the activation of Gae Bolg: high luck. Fate/side said: In order to evade Gae Bolg, one would require Noble Phantasms that automatically resurrected the target after death like that of Berserker's, or a high degree of Luck sufficient to negate the curse of the spear. "Luck" isnt just being lucky, it can let you avoid "fate" at a high enough rank. How did he get Command Seals before even summoning a servant? If luck is such a powerful thing that could even reverse destiny then isn't it unfair for other classes that have the worst luck? I now understand what he meant by a magic circuit drawn by the same hero. I thought magic circuits are those that are inside mages where mana flows. |
| Yep, as said above, I meant Command Seals by CS. The grail chooses seven masters before the war starts and marks them with the Command Seals. Remember how Rin and Shirou had CSs traces before they summon their Servants. Luck is determined mostly by the Master and the compatibility with the Servant, or at least that's what it seems like. It's not really that big a factor as it'll give a chance to avert a fatal blow maybe once and weapons that affect causality are hardly that common. Saber's luck won't do jack if she got Enuma Elish'd in the face. They are, that was my bad. I meant 'circle' not 'circuit'. |
| 1. Can servants remember their past masters? What happened to Saber and all her crap with chivalry and the likes? She seems nothing like she was from Zero. 2. I've been wondering for a while. What happens to all the damage that Servants cause? During episode 3, there was some flashy fights with Berserker especially when Archer used Caladbolg. Do normal people see those lights and explosions? 3. Archer once said that even though he has incredible vision, he still can't detect other masters. Do all servants lack the ability to trace masters or is this exclusive only to Archer? 4. Caster broke the rule by summoning her own servant since she's still a mage. Are there no consequences to this? Are the rules to the war not that important? 5. How was Shinji able to supply Rider with mana when he can't even use magecraft? |
BebeCharlotte said: 1. Can servants remember their past masters? What happened to Saber and all her crap with chivalry and the likes? She seems nothing like she was from Zero. No they can't since what is summoned is a copy and when they die the copy is erased. Saber is an exception due to her circumstances of AS for her personality in Zero - Zero writer did not know how to write her character. Chivalry is not her defining factor and she defied that idea thousands of times in her lifetime to do what's necessary for her country. 2. I've been wondering for a while. What happens to all the damage that Servants cause? During episode 3, there was some flashy fights with Berserker especially when Archer used Caladbolg. Do normal people see those lights and explosions? Caladbolg's explosion should not have been on that level of flashy(but still similar scope). Anime exaggerated it. Either way the church covers it up. As is explained near the start of the story(but removed in anime for w/e reason), Kirei's job an overseer is to cover up what is going on and majority of Fuyuki City authorities are on either Church's or Mage Association's paycheck, made to look the other way. Most of magi can perform things like erasing someone's memory. 3. Archer once said that even though he has incredible vision, he still can't detect other masters. Do all servants lack the ability to trace masters or is this exclusive only to Archer? Detecting a master is not dependent on vision. He can see people and would know if they are magi, but is incapable of telling if they are masters tho(command seals on the arm of a master react to other masters nearby sometimes, but if one can mask oneself well enough the only way to find out is to find a command seal on their body) 4. Caster broke the rule by summoning her own servant since she's still a mage. Are there no consequences to this? Are the rules to the war not that important? What rules? They mainly mean its impossible. There's nobody to actually enforce them beyond the MA and the Church. so while basic things they established like "no revealing yourselves to public"(which applies to all magi and not just the war), shit like what Caster does is simply thought impossible overall. There are no written rules of sorts beyond the basic rules of how magi have to behave which go beyond grail war and basic rules set by the MA and church for the war(the whole sanctuary at the church, etc). 5. How was Shinji able to supply Rider with mana when he can't even use magecraft? Everything about that will be answered in Heaven's Feel. Short nonspoiler answer: he had Rider's CS placed on a magic book and he used the school to feed her magic energy. BebeCharlotte said: I now understand what he meant by a magic circuit drawn by the same hero. I thought magic circuits are those that are inside mages where mana flows. They are. Well at least represented that way with Shirou's mind. They are more like an additional system in magus biology(like nervous system or cardiovascular system) that manages mana flow through the body and allows them to shape it into what they want. BebeCharlotte said: If luck is such a powerful thing that could even reverse destiny then isn't it unfair for other classes that have the worst luck? Because its not tied to a class. The basic "stats" that servants are ranked by can be used beyond servants(but usually are not since most humans are unranked in most of stats) Because even with high luck as Saber's, stuff like her surviving Gae Bolg is still extremely rare(in her case it was Luck combined with her own precognitive abilities and its still like one in a million chance to evade). BebeCharlotte said: 5. I still don't get how Saber could've dodged an undodgeable blow with luck. Doesn't that contradict with Gae Bolg's ability? Even Archer said that the only way to defend himself from Gae Bolg was to take it directly which he did using Rho Aias. Archer did NOT survive teh same gaebolg that Saber did. Gae Bolg: Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death is something that defies causality and requires very high luck to even have a chance to evade. It is the close range attack with Lancer stabbing his spear. IT is something Lancer himself created after acquiring the spear in his life. Gae Bolg: The Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death is a ranged variation which does NOT have the whole causality effect. Its the original spear's function, an attack of the thorns, that releases countless thorns all seeking the target's heart. It is impossible to block but it has no causality reversal. |
AhenshihaelNov 14, 2015 8:10 AM
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| 4. I just assumed that there were rules since Archer stated that Caster broke the "rule" by summoning her own servant. If it's something to do with doing what's thought to be impossible then I guess Caster was the first one servant to be able to summon another servant since the past HGWs and that other Casters didn't attempt to do such? So Gae Bolg has other forms as well? Why didn't lancer just use the barbed spear that pierces with death to kill Archer if the other form is inferior to it? |
BebeCharlotte said: 1. Can servants remember their past masters? What happened to Saber and all her crap with chivalry and the likes? She seems nothing like she was from Zero. Well going through the events of Zero like she did surely didn't help her keep her ideas of chivalry. Of course, they're also written by different authors with different purposes. 4. Caster broke the rule by summoning her own servant since she's still a mage. Are there no consequences to this? Are the rules to the war not that important? There would be, if there was an overseer who saw it as a problem and cared to address it. BebeCharlotte said: 4. I just assumed that there were rules since Archer stated that Caster broke the "rule" by summoning her own servant. If it's something to do with doing what's thought to be impossible then I guess Caster was the first one servant to be able to summon another servant since the past HGWs and that other Casters didn't attempt to do such? Other Casters wouldn't have the specific skillset and abilities she has to do it. Though Apocrypha So Gae Bolg has other forms as well? Why didn't lancer just use the barbed spear that pierces with death to kill Archer if the other form is inferior to it? Archer engaged him in melee whenever he was close enough to pull it off and didnt give him the chance to use it, which is Archers whole fighting shtick-keep the opponent from using their finishing moves on him (until they overpower him anyway) since he's a pretty weak servant. |
| 1. When Rin and Shirou were at the school's rooftop, how did Rin not notice the barrier(?) that Shinji/Rider set up at the school while Shirou did? 2. Why is Gil often shown together with Sakura? 3. Also, if Kirei became a master again why didn't he just form a contract again with Gil? 4. How did Archer survive when Gil pierced him with his NPs? It was clear as day that Archer's remains faded away. 5. How did Saber even defeat Sasaki? |
| 1.Shirou has some sort of natural talent which makes him a natural at detecting barriers iirc. 2.He isn't?It's just that one scene in the prologue.You get to see what he tells her in HF,but it's basically 3.His contract with Gil never vanished. 4.Plot.there are lots of excuses but it's not worth going through all of them,since it's just that 5.When they swordlocked,his blade broke and his technique became imperfect,which she exploited thanks to her Instinct skill. Also the luck stat does not depend solely on your Master's compatibility with you,since there are servants who aren't compatible at all,yet still have high luck,and vice versa those who are very compatible yet have bad luck. And Saber is still chivalrous in F/SN,you see that quite often.Just not to the same extent as in F/Z. |
| 1. You mean the sigils? Shirou's magic allows him to analyze any material making him detect such abnormalities. If you're talking about the barrier itself, Rin DID detect the barrier. She even comments about it's creator being a third-rate magus. She just didn't realize that Shinji is the one behind it since he flat out can't use magic, let alone set up a bounded field. 2. Wait for Heaven's Feel. 3. Gil was still Kirei's Servant. 4. Gil has the aim of a stormtrooper. Archer was actually hit with very few swords that didn't hit his core, so he used the explosion to go into his spirit form. What you saw was that animation. AKA UBW's biggest asspull. 5. In the VN, his Katana, not suited for exchanging blows with a heavy western-crafted sword, bent under the weight, leaving a very small opening in the otherwise perfect Swallow Reversal. Saber took that tiny opening to escape the attack and deliver her own. In the anime, not clear. His sword handle was broken, but that doesn't really show how that affected his technique since his perfectly straight sword was able to do the move with no apparent issues. Insertanamehere said: There would be, if there was an overseer who saw it as a problem and cared to address it. Kirei: What? You're breaking the rules? And it's making more and more people suffer? Good Job! Need a hand? |
astroprogsNov 14, 2015 9:38 AM
BebeCharlotte said: 4. I just assumed that there were rules since Archer stated that Caster broke the "rule" by summoning her own servant. If it's something to do with doing what's thought to be impossible then I guess Caster was the first one servant to be able to summon another servant since the past HGWs and that other Casters didn't attempt to do such? It was never done before. Grail system was not designed that way. Archer is angry more at the prospect that Caster most likely killed her own master since a master would never allow such things to happen. So Gae Bolg has other forms as well? Why didn't lancer just use the barbed spear that pierces with death to kill Archer if the other form is inferior to it? Because It requires to be close and because Archer goaded him into using the other one because Archer knew he would die if the causality one was used. Still, if not for Caster's ridiculous amount of mana, even that version would have left Archer dying. BebeCharlotte said: 1. When Rin and Shirou were at the school's rooftop, how did Rin not notice the barrier(?) that Shinji/Rider set up at the school while Shirou did? Rin noticed the barrier when it went up. She knew it was there since she was putting countermeasures ever since First episode rooftop scene(since she can't erase it completely and can just delay its activation). Shirou is better at detecting stuff like that though. 2. Why is Gil often shown together with Sakura? Once. And that will be explained in HF. 3. Also, if Kirei became a master again why didn't he just form a contract again with Gil? Because the whole point of his plan was to convince others he is NOT a master. And Lancer's original master was a threat to Kirei, so it was killing two birds with one stone. 4. How did Archer survive when Gil pierced him with his NPs? It was clear as day that Archer's remains faded away. Servant body consists mainly of mana surrounding a spiritual core(Brain and heart). AS long as the core is not damaged, any wound no matter how grotesque can be survived. 5. How did Saber even defeat Sasaki? Pure coincidence: 1. Sasaki's sword was bent from clashing with excalibur(since that katana is just a completely normal sword) 2. Sasaki wanted to lose to Saber to get a honorable death so even knowing about the damage to the sword he still let the fight go how it went in order to attain it. If none of those conditions were there, Saber would be dead the moment tsubame gaeshi hits, since all three hits version is impossible to survive. Tldr: Saber won because Sasaki allowed her to and wanted her to. DamnThatsTheSpot said: 3.His contract with Gil never vanished. No? Gil is essentially masterless. He does not need a contract because of having attained a body and he gains mana through the basement. astroprogs said: She just didn't realize that Shinji is the one behind it since he flat out can't use magic, let alone set up a bounded field. That's not the reason why she did not entertain possibility Of Shinji doing it. Rin is just dumb and prideful like that, with the tendency of underestimating others at the worst possible moment. Its less of "Shinji can't do that" nad more of "NO way this looser would be able to or want to since he clearly is all talk". In fact even when she found out that Shinji is a master, the first thing she did was to humiliate and goad him because of that line of thought(which in itself was the cause of Shinji activating the barrier) astroprogs said: 4. Gil has the aim of a stormtrooper. Archer was actually hit with very few swords that didn't hit his core, so he used the explosion to go into his spirit form. What you saw was that animation. AKA UBW's biggest asspull. Gil's aim is great. He simply did not bother to give courtesy of even aiming at Archer. He just threw shit in his general direction to get rid of a maggot. UfoUBW's biggest asspull is two UBWs in a row from a masterless Archer. And everything Shirou does. And end of Gil/Shirou fight where protag plot power kicks in to save Shirou. astroprogs said: Insertanamehere said: There would be, if there was an overseer who saw it as a problem and cared to address it. Kirei: What? You're breaking the rules? And it's making more and more people suffer? Good Job! Need a hand? Also the safeguards only make sense when the one breaking the rules is a human. As I said before, MA and Church has ways of punishing magi and creatures who break the rules. They have absolutely no way of dealing with a servant level opponent doing that. It never happened before because of many reasons: 1) "demonic"/"Antiheroic" servants like Caster or Rider would not be possible to be summoned in a grail war under normal circumstances. 2) Troll Overseer. 3) The combination of 1 and 2 leading to an ancient magus being summoned in a ritual that looks like child's play from her level of knowledge. |
AhenshihaelNov 14, 2015 9:52 AM
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CookingPriest said: since all three hits version is impossible to survive. I play you Avalon. |
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mira-nyan said: CookingPriest said: since all three hits version is impossible to survive. I play you Avalon. Which is not part of her as a servant and which she cant use because this is not fate route so get out |
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CookingPriest said: mira-nyan said: I play you Avalon. Which is not part of her as a servant and which she cant use because this is not fate route so get out Well you said it was impossible. You didn't specify why, or for who. Therefore I'm in the right. >.> |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| 3. I got mixed answers so I'll try to address to both. @DamnThatsTheSpot and astroprogs If Gil's contract with Kirei never vanished then how can Kirei control two servants at a time? Wasn't he Lancer's master? @Priest Didn't the Grail already chose Bazette as a master? So it's okay for outsiders to participate in the HGW without being chosen originally by the Grail itself? I'm assuming yes since Soichirou became one but I still wanna clear this one out. 4. If Archer's core wasn't destroyed by Gil and he went into spirit form then wouldn't Gil still be able to see him? Servants can detect other servants right? So Lancer couldn't use the Barbed Spear because he needs to be close to Archer? Weren't they fighting in melee from the start? |
CookingPriest said: That's not the reason why she did not entertain possibility Of Shinji doing it. Rin is just dumb and prideful like that, with the tendency of underestimating others at the worst possible moment. Its less of "Shinji can't do that" nad more of "NO way this looser would be able to or want to since he clearly is all talk". In fact even when she found out that Shinji is a master, the first thing she did was to humiliate and goad him because of that line of thought(which in itself was the cause of Shinji activating the barrier) Well, it's not like she can be blamed for having this view of Shinji. The dude is harmless and incompetent as a water flea with a huge inferiority complex and tendency to always talk big to boot. Why didn't she think it could possibly be his Servant, however, is indeed a fuck up on her part. BebeCharlotte said: 3. I got mixed answers so I'll try to address to both. @DamnThatsTheSpot and astroprogs If Gil's contract with Kirei never vanished then how can Kirei control two servants at a time? Wasn't he Lancer's master? @Priest Didn't the Grail already chose Bazette as a master? So it's okay for outsiders to participate in the HGW without being chosen originally by the Grail itself? I'm assuming yes since Soichirou became one but I still wanna clear this one out. 4. If Archer's core wasn't destroyed by Gil and he went into spirit form then wouldn't Gil still be able to see him? Servants can detect other servants right? So Lancer couldn't use the Barbed Spear because he needs to be close to Archer? Weren't they fighting in melee from the start? 3. I get where CookingPriest is coming from with his interpretation, but both theories can easily be argued for or against. Kirei can control two Servants if he had the means to provide mana to two extremely mana draining familiars, and he did. Having a body doesn't mean that he didn't need a contract anymore since he's still a familiar, a Servant. Having a body just meant that he doesn't need the Grail to exist anymore. He can survive without a master for a really long time thanks to his A+ Independent Action class-skill, anyway, so it's not like it really matters if he had one or not. Hollow Ataraxia spoilers: 4. You're absolutely correct. It's explained officially by Archer being so weak from being hit and Gil focusing on the more prominent Servant, Saber, he avoided detection, and yes, it's as flimsy as it sounds. About Lancer, it's not that he couldn't, it's that he was provoked by Archer to use the other more destructive move. Lancer didn't want to kill him, he wanted to utterly annihilate him, and it's not like Archers have the means to block Noble Phantasms anyway, little does he know. |
astroprogsNov 15, 2015 6:11 AM
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