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Feb 9, 2014 11:36 AM
#51
But Yoshino said something about the endless hallway is somewhat an animal is playing them(I don't have a screenshot sorry) (http://imgur.com/nDTXhbY), and I bet what he means is it's a familiar. Therefore, we can slightly assume that the endless hallway/corridor is the same as the city of stone. Another thing that I might think is, since it's a familiar, it's "playing with Kotarou's eyes/consciousness/mind/whatever" just like what Kagari can do. Meaning, it's not really endless. On Akane's route, the reason that it's not endless because they're aware of the city of stone while when there are times that Kotarou gets lost, it's because he's not aware of it so this familiar is "playing with him". Another possible answer is Kagari is the responsible for "everything" the whole time though that'll add an another question which is why is she doing that to Kotarou. I don't know if this answer explains the endless corridor/hallway thing but I'm not really sure on what Tanaka is doing when he's inserting this endless corridor/hallway(Since he's the main writer, he should be aware of this). I wouldn't be surprised if it's the another writer(Either Tonokawa or R07) who implemented it but... Naoki-Saten said: - it's super annoying because it randomly prevented Kotarou and Kotori from escaping at the end of Kotori route I don't remember this one... Can you enlighten me like giving me a screenshot or something? |
TennoujiFeb 9, 2014 12:09 PM
Feb 9, 2014 12:11 PM
#52
Tennouji_ said: Naoki-Saten said: - it's super annoying because it randomly prevented Kotarou and Kotori from escaping at the end of Kotori route I don't remember this one... Can you enlighten me like giving me a screenshot or something? Ok. We start at the point where Kotarou, Kotori, her parents and the Key are running away from Gaia and Guardian. They left Kazamatsuri and are going through a wide field. http://puu.sh/6Q1l6.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1mV.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1pm.jpg There, they find a small hut where they sit down to rest. Notice that Kotarou's phone is off so he can't check his positon via Mappie. So they might already have entered the endless corridor at this point. Anyway, they rest in the hut and Kotori laments her fate http://puu.sh/6Q1ro.jpg And then there's the epic parents scene http://puu.sh/6Q1xd.jpg So the group minus parents leaves the hut and continues running away, BUT: http://puu.sh/6Q1Nu.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1PO.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1Rc.jpg They arrive at the exact same hut they've been resting in earlier where the last hound attacks them and injures Kotarou -_- Some unrelated things I noticed while playing and taking the screenshots: I totally forgot that the Key transorms into a tree in this route, too http://puu.sh/6Q2zl.png Also, confirmed that the Key enables Kotori to access the energy of the power spot. http://puu.sh/6Q2KP.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q2Me.png http://puu.sh/6Q2Yl.png and should the planet notice that the Key is dead, the link to the power spot will be severed. http://puu.sh/6Q36I.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q37V.jpg I gotta say, Chiwa saito does some awesome voice acting as Kotori. In both happy and sad scenes. |
Naoki-SatenFeb 9, 2014 3:11 PM
Feb 9, 2014 9:18 PM
#53
Naoki-Saten said: Ok. We start at the point where Kotarou, Kotori, her parents and the Key are running away from Gaia and Guardian. They left Kazamatsuri and are going through a wide field. http://puu.sh/6Q1l6.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1mV.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1pm.jpg There, they find a small hut where they sit down to rest. Notice that Kotarou's phone is off so he can't check his positon via Mappie. So they might already have entered the endless corridor at this point. Anyway, they rest in the hut and Kotori laments her fate http://puu.sh/6Q1ro.jpg And then there's the epic parents scene http://puu.sh/6Q1xd.jpg So the group minus parents leaves the hut and continues running away, BUT: http://puu.sh/6Q1Nu.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1PO.jpg http://puu.sh/6Q1Rc.jpg They arrive at the exact same hut they've been resting in earlier where the last hound attacks them and injures Kotarou -_- But I think that's something like they went to the same place like it's looping. The endless corridor/hallway thing shows that the reason why it's endless is because it combined all the same corridors/hallways of Kazamatsuri on the same line(For instance, Kotarou and Yoshino weren't aware that they're currently walking on the a different floor yet they're walking on the 3rd or 4th floor on the whole time so it's like the hallways of 6th floor and 3rd/4th floor were combined). Still, I think that supports the idea that that one and the endless corridor are familiars(Hence, both are the City of Stone) and it's "playing tricks" to Kotarou. |
Feb 11, 2014 11:23 AM
#54
I agree. The song and the pictures diverge because they tell two different stories. The "epilogue" the song tells also summarizes the story of Rewrite - describing what was neccessary in order to find a possibility for life to continue. Thebuilding a tower and a ship is a metaphor on the character's struggle throughout the story. And then they inform you about the obvious fact that humanity is saved by relocating to a distant planet. The pictures, however, bring a closure to the story, showing how Kotarou's wish to visit Moon Kagari comes true (Though we don't know if she ever reverts back from a flower or not). I guess Kagari is seen as a ghost, so it's not really like she reverts back from a flower to her usual self, but because there is only little aurora on the Moon, she could get into a ghost-form. In the next pictures you see hints of Kagari being a ghost (both from the ED): http://i.imgur.com/4ZVFbDD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/L0HEjbg.jpg I think we can conclude the discussion about the ending song for now. We can say the lyrics tell us an important story to the ending of Rewrite. I'm happy that we could evaluate the lyrics! :) I don't remember at what point did Kotarou start using Aurora in Terra. It doesn't neccessarily need to be a plothole. Maybe he just used his knowledge from being both a summoner and a superhuman in order to manipulate Aurora. Maybe he got the power by rewriting himself. I mean, at the end of Terra, Kotarou begins to come apart and he sees the Aurora that made him up. He even discovers that comment made by Moon Kotarou of wanting to see Moon Kagari again. I remember that he used his Rewriting power in this early childhood to improve his athletique skills for school events. But I think I am confused by WHICH power Kagari granted him after Kotarou was saved by Kagari and Kotori. I'm confused by all the different powers Kotarou has... To be honest, I really want to know more about this issue to understand more about his powers. If you don't know, maybe could Tennouji_ help us with this? I would appreciate it because this is highly confusing for me, again. First and foremost, the house that got blown up sure as hell was NOT theirs. As if Guardian would mistake a house where the family left for a few hours for being vacant and just do random things there. I mean, wtf? Their actual house was still there, and Shizuru's parents continued living there after the incident. Secondly, Guardian was not doing training there. They've been battling some kind of enemy. As you can see in this screenshot, http://puu.sh/6Lmav.jpg they were supposed to give chase to those enemies (who probably caused the explosion in order to escape), but the team leader (Esaka) ordered the squad to save the civilians instead while leaving the task of pursuing the enemy to the pursuit team. Haha mate you made me laugh so hard. I won't ever truly trust the Rewrite wiki again. Those are some horrible mistakes about Shizuru's past. Thanks for this "warning". --------- As for your discussion between you and Tennouji_, I can't add much more. But Naoki, you said this: Another thing... the KEY might be able to either transport people to one of those or close off certain parts of the world similarly to the endless corridor. Because one night when Kagari came for a visit, Kotarou tried to escape his room, but he couldn't open the veranda door nor could he smash the glass. I can only say something about the Key be a possible cause of the endless corridor thingy. Like the loop in Kotori's route, you posted this picture: http://puu.sh/6Q1Nu.jpg "I shout to the heavens". "Should I have shouted at the Earth instead?" Why would they add the last line? I guess it implies the loop could be something done by the Earth, thus Kagari. The strange happenings, like the loop in the hallway, Kotori route and when Kotarou wanted to escape his room but couldn't are all (but one) happening when Kagari is arround. It is confirmed that Kotarou attracted Kagari, because of them sharing the same aurora. That's why Kagari broke into Kotarou's room in the common route. If it was Kagari's doing, she could also have done the endless hallway thing, because she was nearby Kotarou at the time. Only we don't know if she was nearby... |
Ruben_JbFeb 11, 2014 11:51 AM
Feb 11, 2014 8:02 PM
#55
Ruben_Jb said: As for your discussion between you and Tennouji_, I can't add much more. But Naoki, you said this: Another thing... the KEY might be able to either transport people to one of those or close off certain parts of the world similarly to the endless corridor. Because one night when Kagari came for a visit, Kotarou tried to escape his room, but he couldn't open the veranda door nor could he smash the glass. I can only say something about the Key be a possible cause of the endless corridor thingy. Like the loop in Kotori's route, you posted this picture: http://puu.sh/6Q1Nu.jpg "I shout to the heavens". "Should I have shouted at the Earth instead?" Why would they add the last line? I guess it implies the loop could be something done by the Earth, thus Kagari. The strange happenings, like the loop in the hallway, Kotori route and when Kotarou wanted to escape his room but couldn't are all (but one) happening when Kagari is arround. It is confirmed that Kotarou attracted Kagari, because of them sharing the same aurora. That's why Kagari broke into Kotarou's room in the common route. If it was Kagari's doing, she could also have done the endless hallway thing, because she was nearby Kotarou at the time. Only we don't know if she was nearby... About Kagari, actually I was thinking that same thing that Kagari might be the one who's playing Kotarou's mind so the endless corridor/hallway happens. It easily supports that because of the closed room. Not to mention she can play people's minds to hide herself. But thing is, nothing can support about the endless hallway since we can't tell if Kagari was there. Maybe we should assume that she's nearby for now. |
TennoujiFeb 11, 2014 8:26 PM
Feb 25, 2014 5:07 PM
#56
I found something interesting and this is kinda hard to neglect. http://i.imgur.com/UanCX9l.png?1 So what's this? Is Akane really aware of who's Tennouji Kotarou from 10 years ago and yet she gives in then fell in love with him? |
Feb 26, 2014 4:44 AM
#57
It wouldn't be too strange for her to know Kotarou's identity. After all, it is said that Akane was the one who woke him up from his comatose sleep 10 years after he attacked the key shortly after rescuing her. So it wouldn't be strange for her to try and monitor him and keep him away from the conflict (out of gratitude). Her questionnaire sheet might have served the same purpose. btw, which route is that from? |
Feb 26, 2014 5:32 AM
#58
Naoki-Saten said: Akane's RouteIt wouldn't be too strange for her to know Kotarou's identity. After all, it is said that Akane was the one who woke him up from his comatose sleep 10 years after he attacked the key shortly after rescuing her. So it wouldn't be strange for her to try and monitor him and keep him away from the conflict (out of gratitude). Her questionnaire sheet might have served the same purpose. btw, which route is that from? If I remember correctly, he was sleeping in the club room when she said that. |
Feb 26, 2014 7:08 AM
#59
Naoki-Saten said: It wouldn't be too strange for her to know Kotarou's identity. After all, it is said that Akane was the one who woke him up from his comatose sleep 10 years after he attacked the key shortly after rescuing her. So it wouldn't be strange for her to try and monitor him and keep him away from the conflict (out of gratitude). Her questionnaire sheet might have served the same purpose. btw, which route is that from? Well, like someone said, it's from Akane's route. And I was under the impression that Guardian are the ones who monitor Kotarou and anything else. After all, they're the ones who erased Kotarou's memories. Also, can you enlighten me about Akane is the one who awakes him from his coma? |
TennoujiFeb 26, 2014 7:19 AM
Feb 26, 2014 10:09 AM
#60
Tennouji_ said: Also, can you enlighten me about Akane is the one who awakes him from his coma? If I remember correctly, this is stated in Moon, when Kotarou think back on his past. There is a small flash of the young Akane and he say she woke him up. Not totally sure about it though. |
Feb 26, 2014 1:01 PM
#61
Tennouji_ said: And I was under the impression that Guardian are the ones who monitor Kotarou and anything else. After all, they're the ones who erased Kotarou's memories. On the other hand, Akane had acquired information on Inoue quite fast when she was found if I remember correctly. Tennouji_ said: Also, can you enlighten me about Akane is the one who awakes him from his coma? Unfortunately, I don't know any details about it, either. I merely remember a member of this club mentioning it somewhere. I believe it was around the time we were writing the route summaries for the characterization. |
Mar 11, 2014 9:30 AM
#62
I've read on the TV Tropes that Akane's is truly the one who wakes him from his coma though I'll still try to confirm this in the future. Anyway, does anyone know when it's stated that Lucia has telekinetic powers? I know that there are times that Lucia can seriously read Kotarou's mind(For instance, about writing the Earth Rep on the board and Happy Maid School Life). |
Mar 11, 2014 2:32 PM
#63
Like you, I have only heard about Akane awakening Kotarou on TV Tropes. I don't recall that at all from the VN. I don't recall the VN saying directly that Lucia has that power, more like it's understood implicitly since she broke lights and made a sign fall. It was along the line of "vibrating" objects than direct control over them. |
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Mar 12, 2014 4:00 AM
#64
Mar 12, 2014 5:05 AM
#65
Lucia was originally a Cutter-type Superhuman, like Esaka. She has the ability to generate vibrations in objects, and in addition to shattering glass can use this to make bladed weapons into chainsaws or something, it's not very well-explained. The experiments that were performed on her essentially gave her a second Polluter-type power, Polluters being about manipulation of chemicals and fluids within the body. Because of this, Lucia, like Kotarou, is considered a Double Holder, though one of her powers was artificially created. |
Mar 12, 2014 6:47 AM
#66
Mar 12, 2014 12:02 PM
#67
Looked at Lucia's entry in the Memory section of the VN: "A combat engineer for Guardian who uses super-vibrations to destroy objects and enhance her sword". There is no mention at all about her having telekinesis abilities, and like I said before, she never directly controlled an object. So if we limit telekinesis to "direct control over objects without physical contact", then no, she doesn't possess telekinesis. She is merely creative with her powers. EDIT: About Kotarou's awakening, I checked the bad ending of Terra and there is no mention of Akane or any hint of her being involved. It merely says "I wake up in a hospital. They told me I have slept for years". |
HunterTennoujiMar 12, 2014 12:09 PM
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Mar 12, 2014 12:33 PM
#68
HunterTennouji said: EDIT: About Kotarou's awakening, I checked the bad ending of Terra and there is no mention of Akane or any hint of her being involved. It merely says "I wake up in a hospital. They told me I have slept for years". If I remember correctly, the guy who said Akane was the one to awaken Kotarou said it was mentioned somewhere at the beginning of Moon. |
Mar 12, 2014 7:39 PM
#69
HunterTennouji said: "A combat engineer for Guardian who uses super-vibrations to destroy objects and enhance her sword". There is no mention at all about her having telekinesis abilities, and like I said before, she never directly controlled an object. So if we limit telekinesis to "direct control over objects without physical contact", then no, she doesn't possess telekinesis. She is merely creative with her powers. I'm confused on what you're trying to imply. And explain further about the last sentence because I couldn't tell if that's what it makes Lucia having telekinetic powers or not. Besides, the Memory section is mostly about what Kotarou knows. That means, there are some info that he isn't aware but we, readers, are. Naoki-Saten said: If I remember correctly, the guy who said Akane was the one to awaken Kotarou said it was mentioned somewhere at the beginning of Moon. Okay. Will try to re-browse Moon eventually. |
Mar 13, 2014 2:48 PM
#70
My thought process was this: Did Lucia actually move an object by thinking "move this object"? Like with the sign that fell down, it seems to me that she vibrated the stands (I believe is the word) that held the sign up rather than nudging the sign with her mind. However, I recently looked up telekinesis on Wikipedia where it defines telekineses as " psychic ability allowing a person to influence a physical system without physical interaction". So since Lucia can actually do that with her super-vibrations, she does qualify as having telekinetic power. I always thought it something like the Force, hence my misunderstanding. |
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Mar 16, 2014 5:01 AM
#71
About the Akane waking up Kotarou thing, here comes the proof : http://i.imgur.com/vtu1iNA.jpg?1 There is a quick flash of the young Akane with blood on her front (can't remember why though) at this moment, but I couldn't take it, way too quick. |
Mar 17, 2014 2:24 PM
#72
Well, then that is confirmed, though it still feels pretty vague. |
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Apr 15, 2014 10:44 PM
#73
Hello. So far I still need to finish Akane route and then moon and terra's. Yesterday I completed Lucia's route (IMO the best one in Rewrite), and there is one thing bothering my about Lucia's route... in the end does she knows that Kotarou altered his body just to be with her?? I remenber shizuru VS lucia, she tells lucia kotarou done this...but never again I remenber lucia mentioning or being aware of this, did I miss something?! |
Apr 16, 2014 2:00 AM
#74
Playcool said: Hello. So far I still need to finish Akane route and then moon and terra's. Yesterday I completed Lucia's route (IMO the best one in Rewrite), and there is one thing bothering my about Lucia's route... in the end does she knows that Kotarou altered his body just to be with her?? I remenber shizuru VS lucia, she tells lucia kotarou done this...but never again I remenber lucia mentioning or being aware of this, did I miss something?! I'm not sure, but isn't that made clear in times of the church scene, where you see the CG Kotarou holding Lucia? I thought that was the time he told her to be with her for allways and ever, because he altered himself as to make it possible. |
Apr 16, 2014 5:50 AM
#75
He said that?! I have seen it again, I didnt found anything about it. As a matter of fact after that scene, in the hospital, Lucia and everyone else are all surprised and amazed, stating that they didnt think anyway born into this world could naturally suport her poison! And later on after Lucia turns into a bomb and her poison spreads across kazamatsuri, when shizhuru and sensei come to pick up Kotarou, he finally tells them, much for their surprised, that he has the power to Rewrite is body and he done it for Lucia, so up to this point this was unkwnown for them, and later when shizuru tellls lucia this, I dont see any reactiong from it, and never more again anyway talks about this, it is like Lucia doesnt know it at all (didnt believed in shizuru), and that is sad, cuz it was just a great change kotarou done to himself for her, and she isnt even aware of this, she just thinks he was born with this resistence to hers poison... Update: I have seen again Lucia VS Shizuru, Lucia is enraged because she doesnt know what meaning her life has, and she does all that crazy stuff... then shizuru tells her that kotarou changed his body to acept her, that it wasnt a miracle he was born with, she doesnt believes it, but shizuru continues onto this, and after that, lucia becames speechless, eventually saying she doesnt need his sympathy... still it is sad this topic wasnt brought by lucia later on with kotarou, but she at least is aware of its existence. |
PlaycoolApr 16, 2014 6:10 AM
Apr 16, 2014 7:31 AM
#76
Playcool said: He said that?! I have seen it again, I didnt found anything about it. As a matter of fact after that scene, in the hospital, Lucia and everyone else are all surprised and amazed, stating that they didnt think anyway born into this world could naturally suport her poison! And later on after Lucia turns into a bomb and her poison spreads across kazamatsuri, when shizhuru and sensei come to pick up Kotarou, he finally tells them, much for their surprised, that he has the power to Rewrite is body and he done it for Lucia, so up to this point this was unkwnown for them, and later when shizuru tellls lucia this, I dont see any reactiong from it, and never more again anyway talks about this, it is like Lucia doesnt know it at all (didnt believed in shizuru), and that is sad, cuz it was just a great change kotarou done to himself for her, and she isnt even aware of this, she just thinks he was born with this resistence to hers poison... Update: I have seen again Lucia VS Shizuru, Lucia is enraged because she doesnt know what meaning her life has, and she does all that crazy stuff... then shizuru tells her that kotarou changed his body to acept her, that it wasnt a miracle he was born with, she doesnt believes it, but shizuru continues onto this, and after that, lucia becames speechless, eventually saying she doesnt need his sympathy... still it is sad this topic wasnt brought by lucia later on with kotarou, but she at least is aware of its existence. Well, I really thought he said that. But I guess you're right. Well then it's a shame to be honest. I'm actually glad this didn't bother me at that moment. I will reread Lucia at some point in the near future, so I guess I will confirm it myself then. :) |
May 31, 2014 2:29 PM
#77
I was thinking (again), what purpose did Midou and his group have? I do remember them being some kind of extremists in Gaia but it doesn't really explain what they were trying to do. |
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May 31, 2014 4:12 PM
#78
HunterTennouji said: I was thinking (again), what purpose did Midou and his group have? I do remember them being some kind of extremists in Gaia but it doesn't really explain what they were trying to do. They purpose as extremisrts was nothing but to cause harm to others. I don't know if they were seriously after Kagari, but they were serious about killing alot of people, since Midou went as far as to burn down the school... they didn't really have a goal in mind, I think, |
May 31, 2014 7:52 PM
#79
About Lucia knowing Kotarou's powers, in fact, it's best for Lucia to not know about it. She'll easily think that he did that because of sympathy. Well, Kotarou actually did that because of sympathy but it's because he didn't realize his own feelings on that time during the church scene. HunterTennouji said: I was thinking (again), what purpose did Midou and his group have? I do remember them being some kind of extremists in Gaia but it doesn't really explain what they were trying to do. Simple, they'll just follow orders and nothing more and the only obvious order that they're following is to find the Key. They don't have actually a goal, well except if you want to take destroying the peace of Kazamatsuri is a goal but THAT'S ONLY Midou's(And the other two too) desire. |
Jun 1, 2014 1:57 AM
#80
Which begs the question which faction in Gaia they belonged to. In Chihaya's route, Akane actively works against the faction Midou belongs too, but in her own route, it is more apparent that the disciples' faction are more radical. So from that, I can only conclude that they belonged to Suzaki's faction. Am I wrong? |
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Jun 1, 2014 2:56 AM
#81
Jun 1, 2014 6:45 AM
#82
Does Suzaki's faction strike you as extremists and radicals, based on what you see of them in Akane's route and Terra? While I can see Suzaki employing Midou and co. for their purposes, the view of Suzaki's faction is horribly biased in Chihaya's faction. At first I thought it was a different faction entirely, since Akane beat them in Chihaya's route, something she had great difficulty with in her own route. |
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Jun 1, 2014 7:19 AM
#83
If I had to guess, I'd say that Tonokawa only had the info that 'There are two factions within Gaia', and didn't have any details on that. That's why they seem different in Chihaya's and Akane's routes. |
Jun 1, 2014 1:12 PM
#84
That is actually a plausible explanation, since the stories in Rewrite are already quite disjointed. |
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Jun 1, 2014 9:57 PM
#85
Naoki-Saten said: If I had to guess, I'd say that Tonokawa only had the info that 'There are two factions within Gaia', and didn't have any details on that. That's why they seem different in Chihaya's and Akane's routes. I don't think he didn't get any details. HunterTennouji said: While I can see Suzaki employing Midou and co. for their purposes, the view of Suzaki's faction is horribly biased in Chihaya's faction. Explain further. I can only see Suzaki ordered Midou, Tenjin, and Tenma to search the Key and nothing more. Whatever actions on they'll make besides finding the Key are just their desires(Killing people, etc), in which Suzaki has nothing to do with their desires. So Suzaki wanting to capture the Key and that means he'll order his summoners to find her on Akane's route and Terra is no different on Chihaya's route. HunterTennouji said: At first I thought it was a different faction entirely, since Akane beat them in Chihaya's route, something she had great difficulty with in her own route. That's because, on Akane's route, Kotarou gets involved on their political problems so things get easily complicated. That's just simple. It's like how Shizuru easily managed to fix Chihaya and Lucia's friendship(If you're not aiming Lucia's route) while the case is different if Kotarou is the one who tries it(If you're aiming Lucia's route). |
TennoujiJun 1, 2014 10:14 PM
Jun 2, 2014 12:46 AM
#86
Tennouji_ said: HunterTennouji said: While I can see Suzaki employing Midou and co. for their purposes, the view of Suzaki's faction is horribly biased in Chihaya's faction. Explain further. I can only see Suzaki ordered Midou, Tenjin, and Tenma to search the Key and nothing more. Whatever actions on they'll make besides finding the Key are just their desires(Killing people, etc), in which Suzaki has nothing to do with their desires. So Suzaki wanting to capture the Key and that means he'll order his summoners to find her on Akane's route and Terra is no different on Chihaya's route. I don't argue with the fact that they went rogue. In fact, Suzaki ordering a powerful group of summoners is plausible since most summoners on his side aren't that powerful. However, both Akane and Sakuya calls his faction 'extremists', which carries the connotation that they desperately wish to fulfill Gaia's ambitions, which should instead be applied to Kashima Sakura. I remember Sakuya and Kotarou discussing at length about this (something about lunch lady) but I couldn't find the particular scene. Tennouji_ said: HunterTennouji said: At first I thought it was a different faction entirely, since Akane beat them in Chihaya's route, something she had great difficulty with in her own route. That's because, on Akane's route, Kotarou gets involved on their political problems so things get easily complicated. That's just simple. It's like how Shizuru easily managed to fix Chihaya and Lucia's friendship(If you're not aiming Lucia's route) while the case is different if Kotarou is the one who tries it(If you're aiming Lucia's route). It's different between conflict between friends and political power games. In Chihaya's route, Akane secured the Key early by some means while in her own, Kotarou does it. The difference I see is that Guardian meddled in the latter route by killing the Key. However, I see no factor in either route that would had adversely affected Suzaki's standing. Simplest explaination would be that Tonokawa merely glossed over Suzaki's faction since they weren't the central antagonists. |
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Jun 2, 2014 1:38 AM
#87
HunterTennouji said: I don't argue with the fact that they went rogue. In fact, Suzaki ordering a powerful group of summoners is plausible since most summoners on his side aren't that powerful. However, both Akane and Sakuya calls his faction 'extremists', which carries the connotation that they desperately wish to fulfill Gaia's ambitions, which should instead be applied to Kashima Sakura. I remember Sakuya and Kotarou discussing at length about this (something about lunch lady) but I couldn't find the particular scene. Gaia's ambition is to revitalize the world but they have different ways on how do they revitalize it. And by that, that means both factions are so-called "extremists" in the first place. Also, I don't think they really mean the term extremists "literally" or it's the translation's fault. Anyway, on my part, I never took the term they used, which is extremists, seriously and I think some or most people didn't too. HunterTennouji said: It's different between conflict between friends and political power games. In Chihaya's route, Akane secured the Key early by some means while in her own, Kotarou does it. The difference I see is that Guardian meddled in the latter route by killing the Key. However, I see no factor in either route that would had adversely affected Suzaki's standing. Seems you don't get it. Also, Akane has the brain so it's no wonder to me that she found the Key easily and Rewrite is already about full of possibilities to begin with(I'm referring to the Key and her actions, whereabouts, etc) so Akane bet that the Key must be hiding on the part of the forest which is filled of barriers made by Kotori. If you're going to argue about this, then please explain about about how come the Key isn't on Kotori's hideout on Akane's route(Remember that Kotori's route is also written by Tanaka) and not only Akane's route but the rest of the routes too. And none of Kotarou's or Akane's(Or whoever or whatever you're referring to) actions on either of the routes affect Suzaki's standing so I don't know what are you talking about and besides, I was referring to Akane and not Suzaki in the first place. HunterTennouji said: Simplest explaination would be that Tonokawa merely glossed over Suzaki's faction since they weren't the central antagonists. Are you sure that isn't a baseless assumption? |
TennoujiJun 2, 2014 5:49 AM
Jun 2, 2014 1:09 PM
#88
Tennouji_ said: Gaia's ambition is to revitalize the world but they have different ways on how do they revitalize it. And by that, that means both factions are so-called "extremists" in the first place. Also, I don't think they really mean the term extremists "literally" or it's the translation's fault. Anyway, on my part, I never took the term they used, which is extremists, seriously and I think some or most people didn't too. Gaia's goal is to let the Earth pass judgement on humanity, which, in many of the routes, will be the extinction of humanity to let another intelligent lifeform evolve. However, Suzaki wishes to capture the Key, use it as a leverage to force the world's powers to undergo change, thereby ensuring humanity's continued survival. There is no indication that either Gaia or Guardian knew that the Key actually wanted to save the humans. So why would Suzaki be called extremist if he defies the will of the planet, which is Gaia's purpose? Tennouji_ said: HunterTennouji said: It's different between conflict between friends and political power games. In Chihaya's route, Akane secured the Key early by some means while in her own, Kotarou does it. The difference I see is that Guardian meddled in the latter route by killing the Key. However, I see no factor in either route that would had adversely affected Suzaki's standing. Seems you don't get it. Also, Akane has the brain so it's no wonder to me that she found the Key easily and Rewrite is already about full of possibilities to begin with(I'm referring to the Key and her actions, whereabouts, etc) so Akane bet that the Key must be hiding on the part of the forest which is filled of barriers made by Kotori. If you're going to argue about this, then please explain about about how come the Key isn't on Kotori's hideout on Akane's route(Remember that Kotori's route is also written by Tanaka) and not only Akane's route but the rest of the routes too. And none of Kotarou's or Akane's(Or whoever or whatever you're referring to) actions on either of the routes affect Suzaki's standing so I don't know what are you talking about and besides, I was referring to Akane and not Suzaki in the first place. I am not sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that the Key was not in Kotori's hideout in Akane's route but she did in the rest? Kotarou found the Key when he was wandering around in the city and then pursued her. The Key does have a habit of wandering carelessly, believing that no one will detect her and no one can harm her. What I mean about Suzaki's standing is that, if we assume it's him they talk about in Chihaya's route, how did he get defeated by Akane's faction so quickly behind the scenes? In Akane's route, he perservered til the very end. In Terra, Guardian had to take him down. What was the deciding factor in Chihaya's route that made a major villain/anti-hero become so insignificant? Tennouji_ said: HunterTennouji said: Simplest explaination would be that Tonokawa merely glossed over Suzaki's faction since they weren't the central antagonists. Are you sure that isn't a baseless assumption? Yes, it is, hence why I said it's the simplest explanation. As I said before, Rewrite is disjointed and it wouldn't surprise me if they did shove Suzaki aside. They did so with every other heroine (even Chihaya) besides Akane in her route. Just to review: My "problem" is that A) Suzaki's faction (if it's Suzaki) is called extremists and B) Suzaki's faction is taken down easily when thet are a major problem otherwise. |
Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
Jun 2, 2014 1:53 PM
#89
HunterTennouji said: Gaia's goal is to let the Earth pass judgement on humanity, which, in many of the routes, will be the extinction of humanity to let another intelligent lifeform evolve. However, Suzaki wishes to capture the Key, use it as a leverage to force the world's powers to undergo change, thereby ensuring humanity's continued survival. There is no indication that either Gaia or Guardian knew that the Key actually wanted to save the humans. So why would Suzaki be called extremist if he defies the will of the planet, which is Gaia's purpose? And why you should take Akane(Or is she really the one who calls her that way?) calling him extremist seriously? There are lots of possibilities like she might be brainwashing Kotarou by making him to think that he's on the better side of Gaia. Like I said, I never take it seriously since I figured that she might be brainwashing him, just being sarcastic, etc. Another possible thing is that's just Akane and her faction's point of view so that's why she calls Suzaki and his faction extremists. Suzaki wants absolute power by using the Key after all and that makes both factions of Gaia are extremists on anyone's perspective. HunterTennouji said: I am not sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that the Key was not in Kotori's hideout in Akane's route but she did in the rest? Kotarou found the Key when he was wandering around in the city and then pursued her. The Key does have a habit of wandering carelessly, believing that no one will detect her and no one can harm her. No and I did never imply that the Key stayed on Kotori's hideout on the rest of the routes(Except Kotori's route and Chihaya's route). Yes she has a habit of wandering carelessly but then again, no one knows if Kotori managed to keep Kagari on her hideout on Chihaya's route until Akane found her. You can assume she's being careful on keeping the Key the moment she found her first. HunterTennouji said: Yes, it is, hence why I said it's the simplest explanation. As I said before, Rewrite is disjointed and it wouldn't surprise me if they did shove Suzaki aside. They did so with every other heroine (even Chihaya) besides Akane in her route. Just to review: My "problem" is that A) Suzaki's faction (if it's Suzaki) is called extremists and B) Suzaki's faction is taken down easily when thet are a major problem otherwise. To be honest, saying Rewrite is disjointed so it wouldn't surprise you yet you ask some questions which those lead to your problem is like you're contradicting yourself. A) I've stated on the first paragraph. B) Like I said once again, it's plausible that Kotarou didn't interfere on Gaia's political problem so she had less problems to worry about unlike when Kotarou did interfere(By being Akane's side) and he went deeper so Akane got more problems to worry than what she expected when dealing with Suzaki. If you want some example, try to remember about Suzaki's complaint on Akane hiring Kotarou and what happens afterwards, especially when they go on an argument, Suzaki will always talk about her hiring her lover on every argument since Suzaki never accepted Kotarou until salvation. I believe anyone, even you, can see that. Besides, even Rewrite is disjointed because just because of different authors, I still tried my best to find some reasons and possibilities that there's an explanation behind and not just plot-holes or some sort of contradiction like what I did on explaining Aurora flame recently. And honestly, this Midou whatever faction he belonged is just a small issue to care about. Even Suzaki calling extremist and easily get brought down on Chihaya's route. |
TennoujiJun 2, 2014 2:05 PM
Jun 2, 2014 2:12 PM
#90
HunterTennouji said: B) Suzaki's faction is taken down easily when thet are a major problem otherwise. This is just a wild guess, but many things along the line of "Why did even X from Route Y not happen in Route Z?" can easily be explained by saying "The circumstances were different". In this particular example, while in Akane's route, the Key was 'dead' and there was no intense fighting afterwards, Akane had to deal with Suzaki politically. However, in Chihaya's route, the Key was alive and on the run. The fights were going on and there was lots of chaos. Akane could've used that opportunity to do stuff like sending an assassin after Suzaki, luring Suzaki's main forces into a trap or leaking vital information on Suzaki to Guardian to have them deal with him. In short, she had SOME kind of opportunity to deal with him quickly that she didn't get during her own route due to different circumstances. |
Jun 2, 2014 3:06 PM
#91
Tennouji_ said: And why you should take Akane(Or is she really the one who calls her that way?) calling him extremist seriously? There are lots of possibilities like she might be brainwashing Kotarou by making him to think that he's on the better side of Gaia. Like I said, I never take it seriously since I figured that she might be brainwashing him, just being sarcastic, etc. Another possible thing is that's just Akane and her faction's point of view so that's why she calls Suzaki and his faction extremists. Suzaki wants absolute power by using the Key after all and that makes both factions of Gaia are extremists on anyone's perspective. Sakuya did so as well, calling them extremists. My point is that they were biased, I didn't say they were right, and it didn't fit the image Suzaki's faction, hence why I did not my make the connection until much later. Tennouji_ said: HunterTennouji said: Yes, it is, hence why I said it's the simplest explanation. As I said before, Rewrite is disjointed and it wouldn't surprise me if they did shove Suzaki aside. They did so with every other heroine (even Chihaya) besides Akane in her route. Just to review: My "problem" is that A) Suzaki's faction (if it's Suzaki) is called extremists and B) Suzaki's faction is taken down easily when thet are a major problem otherwise. A) I've stated on the first paragraph. B) Like I said once again, it's plausible that Kotarou didn't interfere on Gaia's political problem so she had less problems to worry about unlike when Kotarou did interfere(By being Akane's side) and he went deeper so Akane got more problems to worry than what she expected when dealing with Suzaki. If you want some example, try to remember about Suzaki's complaint on Akane hiring Kotarou and what happens afterwards, especially when they go on an argument, Suzaki will always talk about her hiring her lover on every argument since Suzaki never accepted Kotarou until salvation. I believe anyone, even you, can see that. Could very well be, could very wel bel other stuffs that Naoki-Saten mentioned. I guess it's my own personal belief that the, what I see is, most competent faction get almost no mention at all. However, Kotarou did stay out of that conflict so no account of the struggle was given. Tennouji_ said: To be honest, saying Rewrite is disjointed so it wouldn't surprise you yet you ask some questions which those lead to your problem is like you're contradicting yourself. Besides, even Rewrite is disjointed because just because of different authors, I still tried my best to find some reasons and possibilities that there's an explanation behind and not just plot-holes or some sort of contradiction like what I did on explaining Aurora flame recently. And honestly, this Midou whatever faction he belonged is just a small issue to care about. Even Suzaki calling extremist and easily get brought down on Chihaya's route. I took the liberty to group this together. I don't mind at all Rewrite being disjointed. As you are well aware, I quite like Rewrite as a whole. Really, if you try to make explanation for everything, I assume it's for your own personal satisfaction unless you are planning for some fictional work and need to make heads or tails of it. I believe this discussion started from the fact that I said the 'extremist' faction referred in Chihaya's route is Suzaki's faction, which I disliked the label on them for reasons above, and merely asked for confirmation. Naoki-Saten's answer was actually enough. You never disagreed with me. More like you questioned why I placed value in biased description (which I told from the beginning are biased) and that I couldn't accept that Suzaki got no screentime in Chihaya's route, which I am more inclined to believe that Tonokawa didn't concetrate on Suzaki but Midou. Chihaya's route is the shounen route after all and it's easier with a straight-up villain. However, that is my personal belief. Tennouji_ said: And honestly, this Midou whatever faction he belonged is just a small issue to care about. Even Suzaki calling extremist and easily get brought down on Chihaya's route. Yes it is, but you did decide to dive headlong into a discussion. Plus, I don't see other stuffs happening around here. |
Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
Aug 10, 2014 1:06 AM
#92
Just some random thoughts I had: 1) The voice heard in Akane's route is either Kotori or Moon Kagari. The voice don't match Kotori's personality at all but she could had changed in all those years. She at least is capable of communicating with him telepathically, as she has done so in Shizuru's route. She is also almost certainly alive as Kotarou would had felt something if she was dead due to their link. The other option is Moon Kagari. Given the voice's knowledge and things that it said, this makes the most sense. Akane's route is also very similar to the Terra route and one of the few routes where "the end" was reach so that might be why this is the route that Kagari chooses to talk to him. This also coincide with the fact that the voice tells him to choose her next time. The one single thing that separated the Terra timelime from the rest was that he choose Kagari over all else, especially during that important turning point when he first meet her. His strange infatuation with her most likely has to do with his relationship with Moon Kagari. 2) The 2nd point has to do with issues that I have with the Terra route. From what I understand, what Kagari wants is not to directly save the Earth, she don't care about environmentalism cuz its will only delay the inevitable. What she wants is for humanity to stop fighting (such as the Gaia vs Guardian conflict) and focus their efforts and resources towards advancing humanity towards the stars, even if it meant killing the Earth. Like it was said in the game itself, its like a mother watching proudly as her children grow strong, getting the fuck out of the house, and stop leeching off her. That's great and all but I don't see how Kotarou efforts accomplished this. At the end, humanity was pushed back a few thousands years but that isn't gonna solve any of the conflicts or problems that they had. Once they able to expand across the globe again, the same thing is gonna happen. One of his greatest accomplishments, apparently, was revealing the secrets of familiars to the world but this was what Suzuki was trying to do anyways. Why didn't they just adopt Suzuki's plan rather than push humanity back to the Ice Age? His plan lowers the burden on the Earth by shortening lifespans and helps advance humanity through world-wide usage of familiars. I remember I had more reasons to adopt his plans but unfortunately I've forgotten them. The only point I got from Terra route's ending is that it gave humanity a 2nd chance. Its not a reboot like "re-evolution," where pretty much the same thing just play out again, but a true 2nd chance where humanity is allowed to continue and try again. I suppose this the whole message of the route but didn't Akane's and Shizuru's ending do a similar thing? Not to mention that adopting Shizuki's plan is still the better choice. 3) The 3rd issue concerns Kagari and her role as main heroine. For the "main heroine" she doesn't have much development, especially when compared to the other heroine. Does Kotarou even really loves her? Its seems more like his infatuation for her stems from his love for Moon Kagari, which materializes in Terra's Kotarou as an explained infatuation with her Terra counterpart. He himself admits he has no clue why he's so infatuated with her. Moon Kagari's existence is very confusing. We're told that numerous Key's has appeared throughout history and each one looks different from the last but Moon Kagari looks exactly like the current Key. Does this mean that when the Earth Key is born or dies, the Moon one does as well and this is why the two will always look the same? But it is suggested that Moon Kagari exist outside of time and space and has been continuously researching for bagillions of years. Does this mean that her appearance depends on who is perceiving her? Or does it have something to do with the current Terra Kagari being the final Key and therefor she takes on the final Key's form? Lastly, if she exist outside of space and time then does she even live on the moon? |
Aug 16, 2014 3:32 PM
#93
MrNTR said: Moon Kagari's existence is very confusing. We're told that numerous Key's has appeared throughout history and each one looks different from the last but Moon Kagari looks exactly like the current Key. Does this mean that when the Earth Key is born or dies, the Moon one does as well and this is why the two will always look the same? But it is suggested that Moon Kagari exist outside of time and space and has been continuously researching for bagillions of years. Does this mean that her appearance depends on who is perceiving her? Or does it have something to do with the current Terra Kagari being the final Key and therefor she takes on the final Key's form? Lastly, if she exist outside of space and time then does she even live on the moon? I would simply assume that the Auroras that took root on the Earth and the Moon have the same origin, therefore their 'Keys' will look the same. This is how I see the situation: A long long time ago, before the moon existed, a load of Aurora landed on the Earth and took root there. Then, a part of the earth broke off (through collision with a different planet. This is a legit scientific theory, btw) and the moon was formed. Either that, or the load of Aurora came at a later time, and part of it landed on the moon as well. Then, the Aurora on both the earth and the Moon began creating life. Unfortunately, the 'soil' of the moon was bad and it only sufficed for one single living creature: Moon Kagari. She then watched the Earth from afar. I don't think that Moon Kagari actually exists outside of time and space. They merely gave a vague description because, well, the time frame where Moon takes place is very hard to describe. Moon Kagari has been on the moon all the time. Meanwhile, for billions of years, there were several repetitions of the same process on the Earth: Life was born, it evolved, then got resetted via the Key's 'salvation'. Lastly, during Kotarou's era, all parallel worlds on the earth reached the same ending: The earth exhausted its Aurora until there was not enough for re-evolution while the 'soil' of the Earth has gone bad and couldn't produce new Aurora. The remaining Aurora then flew to the Moon and waited for the earth's soil to 'renew'. (There should be more detailed explanations to this somewhere in this thread). That is when Moon route happened. And after that, the earth was reborn. The same people have been born AGAIN during that new cycle. So if you're one of those people living on the Earth, how would you describe the time frame when Moon route happened? It's like it happened 'before' your time, 'after your time' or even 'never' depending on how you look at it. It's hard to describe the time 'after the Earth died' in human terms without spoilering everything. The fact they were on the moon has also been kept a secret until the very end, too. Also, we don't know how LONG the Moon route was. It may have happened over the course of several million years. So it's not that Moon Kagari exists outside of time and space. It's just that the time and space of Moon route was kept hidden, and even then it's hard to describe. |
Jul 23, 2015 6:43 AM
#94
I still think Moon Kagari acually exit outside space and time.I mean she actually manipulate the timeline, parallel world, create the entire multivere of rewrite.She literaly a God in Rewrite.She is the "KEY" after all. |
Sep 3, 2015 7:43 AM
#95
Well, that was a sad ending. Not only did kotarou not get Mooon Kagari, he didn't get any of the other girls either since he became a familiar in the end. A tragic life with a tragic conclusion. Ending was a bit short and cut though. Would have loved to see Kotori and Akari remember him. Well, Kotori might somewhat dislike him though for killing her familiar parents and shouting her off, but Akane is different. |
Sep 28, 2015 1:45 PM
#96
I have received some questions via messages, but I figured I might as well use them to liven up the forum a bit, since now is a good time to do so, so I'll answer them here instead. 1. In Chihaya's route Sakuya said he wouldn't be able to stick around forever and had to disappear eventually, and he does. What makes "Pochi" at the end of Terra any different? He's the same as Sakuya at that point. I'm actually currently replaying Rewrite and I'm about to enter Chihaya's route, so I'm not at that scene yet, but... "Pochi" is the name Kotarou got from the 5 girls, right? Anyway, he has only just awakened. We know nothing about how long he can stick around, but seeing how Sakuya could stay for a couple of years, Kotarou should be fine for a while as well. More importantly, he only has one mission left now that he has awakened again: To take humanity along to a faraway planet where the human race, as well as aurora, can take root and where life can flourish once again. Once he's done with that, his job is over. 2. When did Kotarou have the time to confess to Kotori if he was in a coma for so long. Did he wake up when Kotori was in middle-school and they went together? If so why was he still weak in high-school enough to be given special treatment? It's not like the common route starts on the day Kotarou is discharged from the hospital after his coma. All we know is that Kotarou had received a fatal injury from Earth Kagari about 10 years before common route. At some point in time, Kotarou woke up and was discharged, went to middle school with Kotori (for a few months?), graduated and then went to high school. I don't see a problem with that, it sounds ok to me. On a side note, in that scene in Kotori's route where it was revealed that Kotarou had confessed and got turned down by Kotori, it was never stated that they both were going to middle school. We are shown a CG with Kotori in her middle school uniform and she says it was "right before we started high school". Maybe Kotarou never entered middle school and just moved into high school right from the hospital. Then again, he also said that back when he confessed, "We've been such good friends for so long. It's almost weird that we aren't going out. I know some people thought we were. That's how close we've been." So it's been suggested that Kotarou did spend a long period of time, I'd say several months, with Kotori before confessing. About the special treatment: Kotarou had been in a coma for almost a decade due to a brain injury. When he woke up, he had lost some of his memories. He acted differently from back before the injury, too. Everyone knew that. What most people didn't know was that his memory loss was not caused by the injury, but by a drug made by Guardian, to ensure he forgets about the organization. So when he left hospital, everyone assumed he was a sick person (since his lost memories didn't return) and gave him special treatment. But he wasn't actually weak. He still had superhuman strength and reflexes and he knew he could "rewrite" himself. He just didn't remember his training in Guardian or his transmuter ability to control his blood. So when he started acting like Kotori was "just a classmate", everyone assumed it's because of his brain injury, while it was probably due to a "command" by Kotori. |
Sep 28, 2015 3:50 PM
#97
Maybe we can get this thread moved to the anime section now, so that we can have a bigger audience that isn't just in the club. Obviously put a spoiler warning on the topic title too so curious anime-only's are prepared. |
この世界には。。。秘密がある |
Sep 28, 2015 6:19 PM
#98
Naoki-Saten said: I have received some questions via messages, but I figured I might as well use them to liven up the forum a bit, since now is a good time to do so, so I'll answer them here instead. Hey, thanks for the answers. I thought this thread was pretty much dead so that's why I didn't post them here. So he's not any different from Sakuya and will disappear as well after 10 years (give or take), or after he finishes his job. Naoki-Saten said: So when he started acting like Kotori was "just a classmate", everyone assumed it's because of his brain injury, while it was probably due to a "command" by Kotori. This is also why Kotori didn't visit Kotarou in the hospital at the end of her route. She wanted to make sure he didn't love her just because she may have "commanded" him to right? She wanted to see if his feelings wouldn't change after losing the contract. Which makes a nice segway into: Why did Kotarou lose not only his ability to rewrite, but also every rewrite he did before after Kagari is killed by Shizuru and he breaks the remaining contract with Kotori? This doesn't happen in any other route with Lucia's being the clearest example. At first I thought it was because that's how he got his powers in the first place (via Kagari's ribbon/contract with Kotori), but Terra taught me otherwise. Also, I'll take the obvious "that's how closed space works bro" answer, but I'll ask anyway in case there's one that makes more sense. Why does he lose his powers while in the city of stone at the end of Akane's route? I read your explanation to how Sakuya got to the Moon and I can't say I'm convinced. While we don't see him physically in Terra (and he's not by Chihaya's side as shown near the end), he does have a talk with Kotarou when he tries to rewrite himself the very last time with his last ounce of his life. So he's not completely gone? Idk man Moon is one big pile of what for me. The earth is literally dead and somehow Kashima summons legions of familiars through space and time? |
Sep 28, 2015 6:30 PM
#99
itachirulz said: Idk man Moon is one big pile of what for me. The earth is literally dead and somehow Kashima summons legions of familiars through space and time? I thought that was kind of weird too yeah. It's probably one of those things where we aren't supposed to question it. Like Gaia has methods of doing this and they just left it at that. I don't know. |
この世界には。。。秘密がある |
Sep 30, 2015 2:59 AM
#100
itachirulz said: Why did Kotarou lose not only his ability to rewrite, but also every rewrite he did before after Kagari is killed by Shizuru and he breaks the remaining contract with Kotori? This doesn't happen in any other route with Lucia's being the clearest example. At first I thought it was because that's how he got his powers in the first place (via Kagari's ribbon/contract with Kotori), but Terra taught me otherwise. Also, I'll take the obvious "that's how closed space works bro" answer, but I'll ask anyway in case there's one that makes more sense. Why does he lose his powers while in the city of stone at the end of Akane's route? Yeah, it's kinda strange. But Kotori's and Akane's routes were written by the same author, so there's gotta be some kind of explanation. We should assume that Kotarou loses his powers in Akane's route for a similar reason: because the key (and Kotori?) died, thus the contract ended. itachirulz said: I read your explanation to how Sakuya got to the Moon and I can't say I'm convinced. The moon? Did your question have anything to do with moon route? Maybe I misunderstood. Could you try rewording your question then? itachirulz said: While we don't see him physically in Terra (and he's not by Chihaya's side as shown near the end), he does have a talk with Kotarou when he tries to rewrite himself the very last time with his last ounce of his life. So he's not completely gone? That we don't see him physically is the important part. He appeared "somehow", in some vague form, for a short moment, but due to his sacrifice in Moon, he can't exist as a part of the world post-moon, so he probably wasn't really there as a person. When Kotarou high-fived that Sakuya, he said his own hand was perfectly human, so the entire scene might have happened in his head. |
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