Theories/Debates (Spoilers)

sunny-j said:
Stop the topics about any romance ok. Time for theories, questions without answers, endless debates... This contains heavy spoilers, please refrain from reading if you're going to shit on my face for spoiling.

1 - We know that the vampires have names such as Felid, Crowley, Lacus... then we have our kids, Yuichiro, Akane, Shinoa... MIKAELA. Mikaela has blue eyes and blonde hair, which doesn't seem like a recurring thing. So, what's up with Mikaela "Shindo" (his name before Hyakuya)? Was Mikaela 100% human (not including the Seraph experiment) before Krul made him a vampire? Thus, why were Yuu's parents calling Yuu a demon when he was a child? How did they know, before he actually get the Seraph?!

2 - HEAVY SPOILERS FROM THE LIGHT NOVEL


3 - Yu and Mika are the Seraph of the End, but what actually happens when Mika goes into Seraph mode since he is a vampire? Mika and Yuu are the only one left of the Hyakuya Seraph experiment (not sure?? the wikia says otherwise) so, is Mika the other half needed so that the Seraph of the End actually happens and
(LN spoiler)

Ok I'm stopping here because my mind is so troubled about Owari no Seraph. I do not read the Light Novel, but I read a few things about it and these few things are difficult to assimilate to the current context of MikaYu's Seraph. There's the Hiragi issue, the Mahiru issue, the 'taboo sorcery' issue...

But yeah talk to me about your theories I love these.

PS: Don't come to me like "NO THIS IS SO WRONG YOU'RE DUMB" yes I'm dumb and I tend to forget loads of things about the manga, bear with it!

This should be discussed int the LN sub-forum, but here we go :D

c) Yuu's parents were calling him a demon because he was a troublesome child.

Anything else you need to know?

sunny-j said:
Strangely, I was expecting you and your "all-mighty" answers. Don't take it bad, but idk I kind of want to debate about these questions rather than getting straight, cold answers. I still appreciate, thanks!

I do not read the Light Novel and many other people don't so I guess I prefered posting it there, and the Anim Forum is probably more active!

1 - For Mikaela, I wasn't talking about the fact that he has blue eyes as a vampire. I was talking about the fact that he has blue eyes and blonde hair in the middle of japanese kids and strangely, he is the only one. Name meanings are cool and all, but I'm pretty sure Michaela is this way for some reason. There has to be, or I'll be disappointed.

Oh dang I actually never thought of that but yeah seems legit.

2 - You can't say "there isn't a link between Guren and Krul" we have no idea. I may not read the LN, but I'm pretty sure we ignore tons of things like, Felid's motives? Seriously what is this guy, where is he going, what does he want to do (beside Mika)? Things are way too twisted for humans not thinking about siding with vampires at least once.

3 - Once again "Yeah, but what if?" What if Michaela runs out of Krul's blood somewhere on his way to a wonderful rainbow forest with Yuu? What if Mika has to drink Yuu's blood? Seraph + Seraph + Angels + Vampire + Shit + Demon = Who's gonna explode? Can, by any way, Mika gets rid of his vampire side? I'm not asking these questions to get answers, but rather assumptions so we can link all of them together and slowly untangle THE TRUUUUTH.

As for Mahiru's prediction, did the end of the world meant the virus spreading? I'm kind of confused about the timeline so I thought she literally meant either the human race coming to an end.

Thank you for the explanation in spoilers, I did ignore loads of things and my mind is a lot clearer now c:


Well, basically can you tell me how this serie is gonna end?
Jk. Do we know anything about the #1 and #2 Progenitors?

mira-nyan said:
Here, answers:

kawaii-despair said:


Oh,I didn't know these things,thank you. I assume they are from the LN,right?


And regarding the Michael and Lucifer thing,there is an explanation on Tumblr for whoever is curious.

Zeando said:
^ speculations require imagination, facts require none

"Time for theories, questions without answers, endless debates..."
seems clear

"is Mika the other half needed so that the Seraph of the End actually happens"
can already see the YuuxMika shippers going crazy about that
"yaoi will end the world" xD

mira-nyan said:
2) Actually, Ferid's motive are pretty simply hinted at. He hangs around Krul because she is powerful. He wants that power. However, what he wants it for is unknown. Ayyy, he's a sadist so he might want it so he can do this and that to everyone else( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Well, the Seraph only activates with the pills, and Ashuramaru will help to stop it by possessing Yu, anyways. So Yu might transform into a demon, but God knows what'll happen to Mika.

No, not really. But, speculating here, if Krul, a third progenitor, is the ruler of a country, then the #2 Progenitors could be rulers of the continents, and the #1 could be a powerful vampire who controls all the ones in the world? Idk, lol, just speculating.

sunny-j said:
Also that tumblr post is really great. We just need to wait to see if the author will totally follow the Bible and the theory in which Mika slays Yu. That'll be some horrible end (in quite a long time though) but then, what happens to Mika? MICHAELA STOP BEING SO MYSTERIOUS.
I'm just starting to assimilate the concept of vampires being on the bright side and the humans being the bad ones. Yay for ageless people with pointy ears.

sunny-j said:



Damn Felid is an ass. I can't wait to know his goals. I'd like it if he turns out to be kind and a traitor to the vampires or something like that. Also Crowley kind of stands out with his sweet personnality and probably never saying as many shit about humans as other vampires do. I'm keeping an eye on these two and an eventual plottwist.

Mika has 5 paths, doesn't he?
1. Becoming a full vampire by drinking human blood
2. Turning back into a human who knows how.
3. Turning into a demon by stopping drinking blood
4. Turning into a Cursed Gear like Asuramaru did?
5. Activating his Seraph or smth like that?

Now, what's the best for him? I think he could actually just drink Yuu's blood ( is he even considered human?! ), become a super powerful vampire and then run away to the rainbow forest.

Also that tumblr post is really great. We just need to wait to see if the author will totally follow the Bible and the theory in which Mika slays Yu. That'll be some horrible end (in quite a long time though) but then, what happens to Mika? MICHAELA STOP BEING SO MYSTERIOUS.

I'm just starting to assimilate the concept of vampires being on the bright side and the humans being the bad ones. Yay for ageless people with pointy ears.

I don't think the 2 first progenitors could be so important, otherwise they would have erased japanese humans already. It's probably better if we don't know about them or so shit would really go down once again. Some human must be still over vampire somewhere in the world.

P.S: Was the thread moved? I received a message about it but isn't it still in the same forum?

kawaii-despair said:
The author has put a pretty good base and I hope he will get into the religious stuff more. OnS has much potential and I honestly hope it won't be ruined by shounen cliches in the end.

mira-nyan said:
*4
Becoming a demon and turning into a cursed gear are essentially the same thing.

The latter is because, if he became Yu's cursed gear, they won't be separated. And he can take control if he thinks the humans are doing any harm to him.

sunny-j said:


Can't they transform into demons without being sealed in a weapon?

This is so cute. So perfect. As a weapon Michaela would be a great long white shiny sword with the red thorns from his own sword and and and---- or he can be a cute trumpet idk. But even if Mika becomes Yu's weapon, I don't quite see how things could go on after this... Krul and Felid would have failed in using Michaela, right?

Ok another problem I've been thinking about.
Where does Asuramaru side?
He doesn't want Yuu get with the angels, so he doesn't want Yuu to kill humans, right? (I've read somewhere that humans were the sinners because of the virus shit but I might just be saying bullshit.) But he also doesn't want Yuu to side with humans. So does Asura wants to guide Yuu towards the vampires (Krul)?

He seems more like a guy to work in the shadows, on his own, scheming.

Lol, Yu can blow Mika when he goes into battle, if he were a trumpet. xD

Well As(h)uramaru used to be Asura Tepes. It'd make sense for him to know more about his family than everyone else. He probably sees Krul as a much more reliable person than the humans. Plus, Krul is like the Guren of Mika.

sunny-j said:

What do you mean "Krul is like the Guren of Mika"?

sunny-j said:
I see. I don't remember the second page so yeah I tend to forget loads of details about the manga. Thanks!
It's not like Mika sides with either the humans or the vampires...

mira-nyan said:


He hates both. But he seems to be fond of Krul and, obviously, he loves Yu. >u<

Random Trivia:

Crowley Eusford - Has the same name as Aleister Crowley, the wickedest man in the word^

Ferid Bathory - Elizabeth Bathory. Pretty obvious link.

Krul/Kururu Țepeș - (One I found really interesting). Kururu means 'round and round' in Japanese and we see her perform a roundhouse kick against Ferid. Plus she spins in the OP. :p
Țepeș is the Romanian for 'the impaler' and goes with the name Vlad Țepeș.

Asura Țepeș - Asura/Ashura is/are the name(s) of certain Buddhist and Hindi deities.

Mikaela Shindo - Mikaela means God-like/ Gift from God. Shindo means child prodigy.

Yuuichirou Amane - Amane means 'heavenly sound' and his name, written, can be translated as 'superior first son' and or 'gentle first son'


Yu and Mika's names also accent them being Micheal and Lucifer^

Man, that author.

sunny-j said:

I agree on that but seeing how Yuu grew, loads of cliches have yet to come. I'm already tired of his "I can't abandon my family" speeches.
Manga spoiler about last chapter:

mira-nyan said:
Random Trivia:

Crowley Eusford - Has the same name as Aleister Crowley, the wickedest man in the word^

Ferid Bathory - Elizabeth Bathory. Pretty obvious link.

Krul/Kururu Țepeș - (One I found really interesting). Kururu means 'round and round' in Japanese and we see her perform a roundhouse kick against Ferid. Plus she spins in the OP. :p
Țepeș is the Romanian for 'the impaler' and goes with the name Vlad Țepeș.

Asura Țepeș - Asura/Ashura is/are the name(s) of certain Buddhist and Hindi deities.

Mikaela Shindo - Mikaela means God-like/ Gift from God. Shindo means child prodigy.

Yuuichirou Amane - Amane means 'heavenly sound' and his name, written, can be translated as 'superior first son' and or 'gentle first son'


Yu and Mika's names also accent them being Micheal and Lucifer^

Man, that author.

mira-nyan said:
Krul/Kururu Țepeș - (One I found really interesting). Kururu means 'round and round' in Japanese and we see her perform a roundhouse kick against Ferid. Plus she spins in the OP. :p

kawaii-despair said:
I'd like to see in the end Yuu being the bad guy that needs to be saved.

sunny-j said:

Oooh this is actually super cute. Her dancing is awkward in the OP though.
Mika's name is beautiful, as well as Yu's. I didn't expect both of them to mean good things. "Superior first son" though! Can it be revealing something about Yu's parents? His father?

He's actually trying to be saved by three sides, isn't he?
1. By Mika from the humanns
2. By Shinoa (and her squad eventually) from?? Guren?
3. By Asuramaru from both humans and angels?
Both Mika's and Yu's futures are so unsure this is disturbing.

fst said:
Here's a question for you:

Is mika a yandere little bitch just because, or do vampires still go through puberty?

mira-nyan said:
No, Shinoa is trying to save them from
1) Vampires
2) Hiirags

They've actually decided to follow Guren no matter what happens(in the manga).

I wonder how they're gonna adapt the second cour. I mean, the first will reach to about Chapter 15-16.

fst said:
Here's a question for you:

Is mika a yandere little bitch just because, or do vampires still go through puberty?

sunny-j said:


Well I'm not sure if Shinoa is going to follow Guren all along since she knows what he does in his little basement. I can see her rebelling a way or another. And if it's not her, it's Yu.

fst said:
k next question:

how does Guren beat the beaver if

mira-nyan said:


He just does. I bet Mahiru joins in in her own little worl( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

mira-nyan said:
Actually, they already decided to follow him since Chapter 23 :P


And Guren's hiding it from her for her own sake. I'm sure she wouldn't want to know that

sunny-j said:


jfc i really did forget everything for the manga. i knew reading it in one go wasn't a good idea. though, for the sake of the story i like to think that some betrayal is going to happen anyway, eitherway everything is way too soft and fishy. plottwists are clichey but i don't even care at this point.
anyway could you sum up what we actually know about shinoa? her goals? her thoughts of her family? etc etc. pretty please? ( it sounds like i don't even know this serie istg )

fst said:
k next question

Who wears the pants in their relationship?

mira-nyan said:



Mahiru. Obvs.

mira-nyan said:

It seems he's still planning, even after all these years. In one of the pages a few back from the ones I posted, it says he's 'probably picking a fight with the higher ups'. Which implies that he's still holding back his power and is still after all these years.

fst said:

so when they be doin their thing, Guren's the one with the sparkly pink strap-on in his ass?

AnonymousID said:
Damn, my man Guren is rank as Lieutenant Colonel and yet he is leading two squad members Mito and Norito both who are one rank above him as Colonels. Gotta admit it, Guren is a freaking pimp if he was able to have a squad with two colonels under his control as oppose to how he is ranked lower than them put together. ;O This guy doesn't use honorifics for his superiors just like Shinya have stated somewhere around ch20-25s.

mira-nyan said:


No, Guren should be as high, in ranks, as Kureto and Seishirou Hiiragi. But his family left the [Emperor's Demon] and made their own [Emperor's Moon] long before the world ended. Ofc, he was still leading the Moon Demon Army, but he doesn't have much worth in the Japanese Imperial Demon Army.

But he is

Hence why Micchan(Mitsuba) said he was 'probably picking a fight with the higher ups'.

Even Kureto, this episode called him 'lower branch scum'. Ofc, Guren's makes sense, but why is Mistuba, an elite, under the command of Shinoa, a mere Sergeant? :^)

AnonymousID said:


If Kureto is the manipulative one, does this make Guren the calculative one? I mean it has already been 9 years thus far that Kureto might not be fooled by Guren's hidden motives as his plans always sometime failed?

On second thought, since Mitsuba is an elite, which branch of the family did she served? I'm guessing the Hiragii Family in which Mito followed too.

mira-nyan said:


Mito is part of the Jujo. Micchan is part of the Sanguu. Both families supposedly serve the Hiiragis. But it's clear that they're leaning more towards Guren. As well as Goshi Norito.

And, yes, Guren is the calculative one. Very calculative, in fact. Most to all of Gurens plans have gone successfully. Kureto doesn't know Guren's plans, as he asks him in chapter 22.

mira-nyan said:


Where'd you get Volume 2 translated from?

Also, he said he had a plan. I wonder what it is. :/

Gahhh, patience. >n<

AnonymousID said:

I message it to you.

AnonymousID said:
If any of y'all saw the Owari no Seraph fanbook, it was confirmed that Guren has a harem that lasted for 9 years straight so far. This would include Sayuri, Shigure, and Mito. Without a doubt, I will give both Sayuri and Mito credit for confessing their love to Guren despite knowing he likes Mahiru the most out of the three. Guren's harem is so unrequited love....

ChickenFry said:
Mira, you are really knowledgeable about this. @@

AnonymousID said:
After reading the first chapter of Volume 2, I actually begun to shipped GurenxMito together because of their complicated relationship.

mira-nyan said:


This should be discussed int the LN sub-forum, but here we go :D

1) a)Mikaela has blue eyes because he's nt fully a vampires. It probably has something to do with blood being red that their eyes turn that colour. Ofc, scientifically, it's pigments, but Mika hasn't drank human blood yet so eh.

b)Also, Mika has the Seraph gene, so no, he's not 100% human before he was turned into a vamp.

c) Yuu's parents were calling him a demon because he was a troublesome child. The same thing happens to the boy MC from Kodomo no Omocha. Shindo means 'child prodigy'. He's most likely half Japanese and half English/American.

2) a) We find out about Ashuramaru later on in another volume of the LN
b) These two are correct. If you look at the sword Mahiru holds in the next episode preview, you can see that it is Ashuramaru.
c) No there isn't a link between Guren and Krul. Guren was happy to see the Seraph because


3) Mika can't go into Seraph mode because he hasn't taken the drug. If he went into Seraph mode, he'd most likely get white wings. The world has already come to an end, btw. Mahiru has already predicted that.


Here, answers:



Anything else you need to know?

Also, I'm speculating that Mika is Michael and Yu is Lucifer. It makes sense in a way cos
1) Mikaela is a holy name; latin for 'God's gift' or 'Gift from God'. It also looks alot like the name Michael.

2) Yu has a black wing, so it's likely he's a fallen angel. E.g Lucifer.

Jonesy974 said:

Building on that a bit, I'm going to speculate that Ferid's probably in collaboration with the Hiiragi family as well.

The manga and anime always bounce back and fourth with Guren, making him look like an awesome guy, and then a piece of shit. The first time they did this to the extreme was where Guren was talking about being ok with human experiments, and then you see Ferid talking to an unknown human about research data. Everyone automatically assumed it was Guren.

Though after stepping back and looking at it, it seems highly unlikely.
- When the apocalypse started, the vampires came and dominated the humans. Krul Tepes and the progenitor council are a part of this large vampire faction.

- The vampire faction doesn't believe its doing anything wrong. They want to rule the world, and they are willing to let humans live as long as they are livestock. They find that fair. Humans too think they're side is right. They think of vampires as monsters trying to wipe out humanity and are willing to go to extremes to be on equal footing.

- Ferid is a solitary vampire who seeks power, and seems to have an agenda of his own. Given the chance, he would definitely try to eliminate Krul since he sees her as a threat.

- The Hiiragi family has 2 objectives: to unite the entire world under the ruling thumb of the family, and 2 exterminate vampires. The Hiragi family even gathered angels in the manga to use as weapons against the vampire army.

- Given both of these facts, it wouldn't be far fetched to see someone in the Hiragi family working with Ferid. Suppose Ferid keeps giving a Hiragi research data and info about vampires, which allow for more power human experiments and better methods to fight vampires. If Ferid gives them this info, they can make stronger soldiers and eventually wipe out Krul and the majority of her supporters, and the Progenitor Council. If this happens, then Ferid could get a massive rise in power.

- He could've then worked out a deal with the Hiragis, where they kill his competition, giving him dominant power over the remaining vampires. In return, the vampires stay away from humanity and the Hiragi's attempts at global rule, and the Hiragi family can take any humans who oppose them and send them off to Ferid's kingdom to be livestock.

sunny-j said:
Stop the topics about any romance ok. Time for theories, questions without answers, endless debates... This contains heavy spoilers, please refrain from reading if you're going to shit on my face for spoiling.

1 - We know that the vampires have names such as Felid, Crowley, Lacus... then we have our kids, Yuichiro, Akane, Shinoa... MIKAELA. Mikaela has blue eyes and blonde hair, which doesn't seem like a recurring thing. So, what's up with Mikaela "Shindo" (his name before Hyakuya)? Was Mikaela 100% human (not including the Seraph experiment) before Krul made him a vampire? Thus, why were Yuu's parents calling Yuu a demon when he was a child? How did they know, before he actually get the Seraph?!

2 - HEAVY SPOILERS FROM THE LIGHT NOVEL


3 - Yu and Mika are the Seraph of the End, but what actually happens when Mika goes into Seraph mode since he is a vampire? Mika and Yuu are the only one left of the Hyakuya Seraph experiment (not sure?? the wikia says otherwise) so, is Mika the other half needed so that the Seraph of the End actually happens and
(LN spoiler)

Ok I'm stopping here because my mind is so troubled about Owari no Seraph. I do not read the Light Novel, but I read a few things about it and these few things are difficult to assimilate to the current context of MikaYu's Seraph. There's the Hiragi issue, the Mahiru issue, the 'taboo sorcery' issue...

But yeah talk to me about your theories I love these.

PS: Don't come to me like "NO THIS IS SO WRONG YOU'RE DUMB" yes I'm dumb and I tend to forget loads of things about the manga, bear with it!