Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Episode 12 Discussion

Favorite character : Accelerator LOL XD

Tatsuya is an Alpha he doesn't want stupid Beta feggits around him and btches come to him not the other way around ;)

MagicianX26 said:

MagicianX26 said:
Mentally Handicapped?

Titans have quite weak physicques actually, their main power comes from the enormous sizes.

When does being weaker become mental handicaps? Remember, Tatsuya is a LIEUTANANT, and he has gone through training since 6.

jakkubus said:

Comparing his abilities to MMORPG, they would be not best moves, but hacks and cheats allowed by admin only for him. Why would he need Active Air Mine or Nilfheim when he can desintegrate enemies with Mist Dispersion or nuke them with his strategic Material Burst? Also Gram Dispersion gives him a big adavantage over rest of magicians. Not to mention his supreme "healing" abilities. And yet you consider it as flaw?

Titans are strong even for their size (well, Eren may be a bit stronger than typical Titan, but, in titan form, he lifted rock that was much bigger and heavier than him).
And all evil organisations shown in anime are composed or ruled of idiots (Blanche, No Head Dragon). Only one exeption was attack on Mari and rest of their actions are actions of mentally handicaped people.

jakkubus said:

Comparing his abilities to MMORPG, they would be not best moves, but hacks and cheats allowed by admin only for him. Why would he need Active Air Mine or Nilfheim when he can desintegrate enemies with Mist Dispersion or nuke them with his strategic Material Burst? Also Gram Dispersion gives him a big adavantage over rest of magicians. Not to mention his supreme "healing" abilities. And yet you consider it as flaw?

Titans are strong even for their size (well, Eren may be a bit stronger than typical Titan, but, in titan form, he lifted rock that was much bigger and heavier than him).
And all evil organisations shown in anime are composed of or ruled by idiots (Blanche, No Head Dragon). Only one exeption was attack on Mari and rest of their actions are actions of mentally handicaped people.

ichii_1 said:

Doesn't matter if it's fictional, jealous is jealous :p

Case in point-

Jelly? XD

^ An example of an Alpha <3

MagicianX26 said:


Also, he can't have any strong feelings. He can like, but not love, smile but not laugh, etc etc. Imagine not able to use them. Also, any villian can use his 'love' towards Miyuki against him, especially if its unexpected. Remember, Tatsuya may be good at sensing dangers and a front line fighter, but he's not clairvoyant. If Miyuki is manipulated into a dangerous situation, he will no choice but follow the villians demand. (Other than kidnapping of course.)

Also, someone is trying to manipulate the events of the 9SC for obvious reasons. Think next lvl Match-fixing.

MagicianX26 said:

Truth be told, the weapons that Blanche uses are actually quite effective against Magicians, able to punch through magic-based shielding (Phalanx is exception due to its method). The tactic that Blanche uses would be effective against normal high-school students, but like I said earlier, Tatsuya's a lieutanant, in the most elite of the magic battalions, so Blauche didn't think a military-grade magician would be attacking.

No Head Dragon... well, you just have to wait and see.

Orix said:
And in the end, Tatsuya won against them because that's how it is, isn't it? (Not a spoiler to clarify, rather a random thought of someone who watched Mahouka.)

Also, Eren is a bad example in the topic. For one, he had to become the enemy to even match up against the Titans, which basically destroys the nuance of "the survival of the human race" that was introduced in the series.

forgiuse said:


It's so effective that they thought they could win by using swords. Guns are too mainstream, afterall.

MagicianX26 said:
Read my earlier posts.

forgiuse said:



Because liking fictionous Alpha characters mean you're an Alpha yourself. I can't call that a kid's way of thought, but more like an infant.
In case you accuse another for being Beta, I like my BETA like this:

wrenchbread said:


http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120428175331/muvluv/images/thumb/2/26/Muv-Luv_Alternative_-_A-10_Thunderbolt_II.jpg/640px-Muv-Luv_Alternative_-_A-10_Thunderbolt_II.jpg

I like my BETA dead

MagicianX26 said:


AHAHAHHHA

Depends on who the beta is.

If its someone like Yukki or Shinji, its ok cause they have pretty horrible back stories and horrible situations.

If its Shu......FK THAT ASSHOLE TO HELL

MagicianX26 said:
The fact that he has such a limited moveset can be used against him. There are counters against Mist Dispersal and Self-Restoration. When his main combat abilities are compromised, things will get... tough, as he will have to find different ways to stop his enemies.

MagicianX26 said:
Truth be told, the weapons that Blanche uses are actually quite effective against Magicians, able to punch through magic-based shielding (Phalanx is exception due to its method). The tactic that Blanche uses would be effective against normal high-school students, but like I said earlier, Tatsuya's a lieutanant, in the most elite of the magic battalions, so Blauche didn't think a military-grade magician would be attacking.

MagicianX26 said:
I did not say that. Blauche would be dangerous if released, but remember, Tatsuya is from the elite corps. Anyone from the same corps like Sanada would also wipe the floor with their faces.

wrenchbread said:


...the reference might be lost on you. Let's fix that. Go play through the Muv-Luv trilogy. You'll thank me.

jakkubus said:

So what? Do you mean, that the fact Tatsuya's abilities has limitations proves something? Almost every spell in Mahouka has weakness. And about that incorporeal vampires, did he managed to creatively beat them with his powers? No, he pulled new jutsu out of his ass, just like certain emo-ninja.

But in First High School there are no normal highschool students. Every Magical High School is military facility, so forfeiting guns and going melee was idiocy. Even 2 Course students like Leo or Erika wiped floor with them with no effort.

Dangerous to who? To non-magical staff?

MagicianX26 said:
Any magician in fact. Their attack on First High proves that.

Also, there are 200 students at first high. You are only seeing 13+ students, and some of them are not exactly overwhelming at fighting.

MagicianX26 said:
Also, as in said earlier AGAIN (You NEED to pay attention), even Tatsuya couldn't beat those single-handedly.

jakkubus said:

Probably anyone in Public Morals Committee and a lot of Blooms could stomp these terrorists. Even some Weeds defeated them easily.

MagicianX26 said:
To your question, 'sealed' and 'unsealed' are just faster versions of Mist Dispersal and self-restore, and allows self restore to be used on others. Also enables use of Material Burst.

jakkubus said:

Oh, so how they could beat him?

forgiuse said:

So when he use regrowth in episode 7, Miyaki unsealed him just to revive those nameless Blanche dudes ? @_@. Her suprised reaction seems to say the opposite to me.

MagicianX26 said:
Ummmm.... in episode 7 it was a simple order, not unsealing.

Unsealing would be seen around episode 20

MagicianX26 said:
If they were aiming for him directly even Tatsuya's ninja-skills would be hard to dodge them.

If he had been caught...he would be a goner.

forgiuse said:

And people at the Ep 7 thread said to me that he did use Regrowth...
Seems like our god also need to have shounen typical training montage (by inventing new techniques). Though i wonder for how long.

forgiuse said:
And people at the Ep 7 thread said to me that he did use Regrowth...
Seems like our god also need to have shounen typical training montage (by inventing new techniques). Though i wonder for how long.

jakkubus said:

He can decompose bullets and firearms, so it'd rather wont work.
And if they catch him, they would be very unlucky.

jakkubus said:

He doesn't need to be unsealed to use Regrowth. He's Self-Restoration is always on untill he is dead.

MagicianX26 said:
Those things are basically spirits( actual explanation is 1 chapter long)
They cannot be affected by decomposition (actually any of Tatsuya's techniques). Plus, Self Restoration does not repair the damage they do.

MagicianX26 said:
And the training montage is pretty short (in the LN). Oh yeah, the final blow to that one 'ghost'
was done by Honoka.

jakkubus said:
He doesn't need to be unsealed to use Regrowth. He's Self-Restoration is always on untill he is dead.

MagicianX26 said:
He learnt a new technique from scratch, not pulling it out of his ass.

jakkubus said:

How much time it took him to develop Far Strike?

wrenchbread said:
...the reference might be lost on you. Let's fix that. Go play through the Muv-Luv trilogy. You'll thank me.

forgiuse said:

Speaking of Muv-Luv, i think it's a lot like Mahouka, with slow-pacing, boring earlier parts, long expositions about SCIENCE and fictional world politics, and both (though i don't know about Mahouka) get absolutely awesome when it does, which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy later in it's story.
The main character in Muv-luv also got praised, and with good reason, but he never bother me that much. But why...Tatsuya ? Why ?

wrenchbread said:
YAMATO DAMASHII.

wrenchbread said:


Yes, Muv-Luv and Mahouka are similar to each other in many respects, but why is it that I absolutely love ML/A and loathe Mahouka? You posed a similar question for yourself too. It just goes to show that execution is very important.
Glad you can make the comparison too because I think I was one of the only few people who did so early on when Mahouka just started.

The worldbuilding in the BETAverse is day and night compared to the Mahoukaverse in that the geopolitics is actually believable and extrapolates based on very, very few axioms as opposed to Mahouka's many; space technology was much more advanced there than during our timeline, in that we already established a moon base and had powerloaders leading to the development of TSFs. The Cold War continued even after 1991 due to the invasion of the BETA and Japan became the Empire of Japan because the BETA invasion in the islands caused the American support to call for tactical retreat, but the Japanese decided to fight to the death because YAMATO DAMASHII. Due to that, the US-Japan security treaty was annulled and Japan reestablished a full fledged military because they saw that the US "abandoned" them. Funny, right?

The Mahouka timeline is nowhere near as comprehensive as the BETAverse's and fails to address some of the more important details that separates itself from our timeline. Hell, the information dimension thing is based on the idea that Plato was right all along, but Satou didn't attribute it to him or mention it anywhere when explaining magic. It was also a bit more informed and balanced in its worldview rather than setting up certain nations as inherently evil or as straw men; Kouki and his team of writers really did their research regarding different nation's ideologies; every single nation was flawed in some way and the "best" "nation" was in fact the UN, which is much stronger than our world's UN. I can go on and on about the differences in worldbuilding (including the way infodumps are done), but let's move onto how Takeru gets praised.

The fact of the matter is, he was only cocky once and that was right before everything crashed down on him. There was no constant praise; mostly just the silent acknowledgement of his and his squadmates' skills. No one worships him, but he has bigger things at stake. He got a chance to show off his skills only once IIRC (Sadogashima) and what a fight it was. I still get chills from it.

I'm just rambling now and this isn't the Muv-Luv forum, but in the end, Muv-Luv constantly delivered on its story beats, while Mahouka is all buildup and no emotional payoff, none whatsoever. MLA made me feel so many things from anger to sadness to fear to happiness and I was so emotionally exhausted for a good week after finishing it. I cared for those characters until the very end. The most I can muster for Tatsuya and co. is ambivalence.

MagicianX26 said:


Owuch. (Fanboy is hurt.)

Well yeah, considering the amt one has seen in the anime, one can conclude such, but let me refute your claim.

I don't know bout the Muv-Luv universe, but for Mahouka's is pretty much you aren't seeing the politics yet... the first time politics actually pops up is the Yokohama Disturbance arc, which comes in a few weeks time on the adaptation, where an attack by a political body takes place (actually much worse, but spoiler), and "something" happens. Also related to said incident in Remiscience. My favorite arc in personal is the not adaptated Visitors arc, which has the 10 Master Clans, several interest groups plus foreign nations all wanting a slice of something (again, too spoilerish). Politics becomes standard fare after those arcs, Vol 12 especially, but you won't see them animated.

wrenchbread said:


MLA has the best Yokohama arc of all time. All time!

Seriously, I highly recommended the Muv-Luv trilogy if you like Mahouka. Everything is done better there (esp Alternative).

wrenchbread said:

MLA has the best Yokohama arc of all time. All time!

Seriously, I highly recommended the Muv-Luv trilogy if you like Mahouka. Everything is done better there (esp Alternative).

darkreaperix said:


Is Muv-Luv an ecchi/harem series (that's what I get from wiki),with focus on ecchi/harem?No thanks :) One thing I like about Mahouka is it makes fun of the ecchi/harem genre thing.

SolviteSekai said:
Is this the best show ever yet?

I stopped watching a few episodes ago.

trannon1 said:
I personally like the bro-sis relationship Tatsuya and Miyuki have, because I understand the dynamics of their relationship and the reasons behind it.



And so, to those people whining at the bro-sis lovey-dovey relationship, please read my summary before passing judgment about it.

Always-Hungry said:
They should rename this show to: Irregular Detective Gary Stu at magic high school!!!