GuusWayne said: Red_Keys said: No you simply have low reading comprehension, it's not my fault you're stupid.You're a clown. I'm liking the casual discussion part of these forums :D |
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GuusWayne said: I don't care what you think of my opinion with your close minded views but you're lying or you wouldn't bother to respond. GuusWayne said: My reading comprehension is fine, thank you.That's what it ultimately comes down to and my points were all objective, none of them are my opinion or rather they are because they're all true. It comes down to basic sociology. There were no facts in your posts so I don't know what you're talking about. So let's see those "objective" "points", shall we? GuusWayne said: Hmm. Yes. Good point.Crying often makes you a little bitch GuusWayne said: That is factually incorrect and is the exact opposite of the evolutionarily survival focused function and purpose of crying. and it's not to your benefit because it will drive people away from you. GuusWayne said: Objective indeed.Nobody likes an emotional wreck or a crybaby. GuusWayne said: For somebody commenting on reading comprehension, that sure was a fucking nightmare to read. Punctuation please.I never claimed I knew for sure all is well but it doesn't have to mean that person is holding in sadness and being concerned about a happy person for not crying shows the incredible negative worldview of the one who believes he/she is putting on a mask as if it's not possible to be well without faking it. This terrible run on sentence is a whole bunch of nothing, and said with a pretty strong sense of absolutely no self awareness. "It is impossible to know for sure what somebody is feeling on the inside if they mask it, so assuming that they are in emotional distress is negative....but I'm going to continue to shame and insult people who don't mask their emotions to the general public, and overall encourage and perpetuate the already strictly enforced societal gender role that men are not allowed to show any signs of emotion...but no, totally. If somebody isn't showing emotional distress on the outside, there's totally no way that they are actually feeling distress". Brilliant job. You are a clown. |
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Red_Keys said: GuusWayne said: I don't care what you think of my opinion with your close minded views but you're lying or you wouldn't bother to respond. GuusWayne said: My reading comprehension is fine, thank you.That's what it ultimately comes down to and my points were all objective, none of them are my opinion or rather they are because they're all true. It comes down to basic sociology. There were no facts in your posts so I don't know what you're talking about. So let's see those "objective" "points", shall we? GuusWayne said: Hmm. Yes. Good point.Crying often makes you a little bitch GuusWayne said: That is factually incorrect and is the exact opposite of the evolutionarily survival focused function and purpose of crying. and it's not to your benefit because it will drive people away from you. GuusWayne said: Objective indeed.Nobody likes an emotional wreck or a crybaby. GuusWayne said: For somebody commenting on reading comprehension, that sure was a fucking nightmare to read. Punctuation please.I never claimed I knew for sure all is well but it doesn't have to mean that person is holding in sadness and being concerned about a happy person for not crying shows the incredible negative worldview of the one who believes he/she is putting on a mask as if it's not possible to be well without faking it. This terrible run on sentence is a whole bunch of nothing, and said with a pretty strong sense of absolutely no self awareness. "It is impossible to know for sure what somebody is feeling on the inside if they mask it, so assuming that they are in emotional distress is negative....but I'm going to continue to shame and insult people who don't mask their emotions to the general public, and overall encourage and perpetuate the already strictly enforced societal gender role that men are not allowed to show any signs of emotion...but no, totally. If somebody isn't showing emotional distress on the outside, there's totally no way that they are actually feeling distress". Brilliant job. You are a clown. Well put. My money is on you. I think we are past the generation where men should be/act tough and I think it will diminish throughout the years. |
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| *Takes a sip of cocoa* This feels like one of those things... you know where you see a bunch of homeless people beat up some some other homeless guy who found money on the floor. You cant help but just watch the strange seen playing out. dis feels liek wan of dos tings... u noe wer u c sum poverty stricken children beating up dey want d moni dat d kid fond n d ground n order to feed dmsellves or family but den u think of d other kid; wat f dat kid has same thought as dem to feed d little sibling coughing from thirst and withering from hunger. ahhh..... nevermind weird story. twas gna put sum analogy but den pepal might go ruin it for some sick thing senyways it alllll depends on ur society dat u live in yah? if ur prideful with the thought of men should be manly and fearless then okay crying is weak if u live in the chic world were guise luk liek gurls n der liek emotional n smth den okay whichever floats u guise r weird with arguments srs. |
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Nanakomori said: Son, who the fuck taught you grammar? You're weird af.*Takes a sip of cocoa* This feels like one of those things... you know where you see a bunch of homeless people beat up some some other homeless guy who found money on the floor. You cant help but just watch the strange seen playing out. dis feels liek wan of dos tings... u noe wer u c sum poverty stricken children beating up dey want d moni dat d kid fond n d ground n order to feed dmsellves or family but den u think of d other kid; wat f dat kid has same thought as dem to feed d little sibling coughing from thirst and withering from hunger. ahhh..... nevermind weird story. twas gna put sum analogy but den pepal might go ruin it for some sick thing senyways it alllll depends on ur society dat u live in yah? if ur prideful with the thought of men should be manly and fearless then okay crying is weak if u live in the chic world were guise luk liek gurls n der liek emotional n smth den okay whichever floats u guise r weird with arguments srs. |
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GuusWayne said: Son, who the fuck taught you grammar? You're weird af. That's called joking. |
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GuusWayne said: grammar? wat? Is.... Is this that one thing where I see the sign: Do not feed troll but still do it anyways? mai bad :( guise. its my fault for replying, ruining d fun, n dat me grammar, not perfect but simple, is completely unreadabel ueehee. uwaaaaaa *hick* *sniff* *walks away while crying* n dats how crying became a strength in aiding escape from unwanted situations |
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Red_Keys said: If you're in a relationship, the man is usually the emotional rock in that relationship, and women tend to despise weak men.GuusWayne said: Why?Red_Keys said: Men are meant to be strong and reliable.And why is that a bad thing? If you want your son to be successful, career-wise, sexually, emotionally, then you should teach him that it's not okay to be wallowing in self-pity all the time, while we're used to the idea of women doing just that (as women are more emotional creatures). If my daughter is crying her heart out, I will comfort her, while if my son did the same, I'd ask him to tough it out. Maybe it's because we're instinctively more protective/sympathetic towards women, and we shape our children to be much like ourselves. |
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BryanBossling said: If you're in a relationship, the man is usually the emotional rock in that relationship, and women tend to despise weak men. Many weak men do not cry, many weak men work out and appear tough only to save their own skin when danger comes because they are real pussies. Whilst the so called weak emotional man would stand up for someone even if it means getting hurt. BryanBossling said: If my daughter is crying her heart out, I will comfort her, while if my son did the same, I'd ask him to tough it out. Bryan thats the worst thing ive heard you say, thats horrible. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Yep, I definitely agree. I hate many of the modern notions of what it means to be a man, including machismo bullshit.BryanBossling said: Many weak men do not cry, many weak men work out and appear tough only to save their own skin when danger comes because they are real pussies. Whilst the so called weak emotional man would stand up for someone even if it means getting hurt.If you're in a relationship, the man is usually the emotional rock in that relationship, and women tend to despise weak men. Kibura_Iburasa said: There are a number of different circumstances to consider, young boys and girls cry about the same amount, and then it might be reasonable to treat them the same. This would be my instinctual reaction however. I'd be tougher on boys because I expect them to be tougher in return, and because I expect them to be able to handle it. If he's looking for comfort, he'll have to go to his mother.BryanBossling said: Bryan thats the worst thing ive heard you say, thats horrible.If my daughter is crying her heart out, I will comfort her, while if my son did the same, I'd ask him to tough it out. |
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| Can you prove to us Jenny that my son will become a successful individual if I impede his own emotions and force him into an unnecessary role? I don't remember sexual relationships and relationships in general necessarily needing somebody to be an "emotional rock". I'd cry if I'd need to, the only reason I don't cry is because I don't feel the need to do so, yet I cried when I was a kid and nobody ever told me "Man the fuck up.", instead people comforted me. It's also because I've reached a level where I know that certain things are useless, thus, certain emotions don't trigger so there's no trigger on other things. |
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Immahnoob said: And what role would that be? Where would I be forcing him? Being in control of one's emotions is a sign of maturity, and I don't believe in coddling teenage boys.Can you prove to us Jenny that my son will become a successful individual if I impede his own emotions and force him into an unnecessary role? I don't remember sexual relationships and relationships in general necessarily needing somebody to be an "emotional rock". I'd cry if I'd need to, the only reason I don't cry is because I don't feel the need to do so, yet I cried when I was a kid and nobody ever told me "Man the fuck up.", instead people comforted me. It's also because I've reached a level where I know that certain things are useless, thus, certain emotions don't trigger so there's no trigger on other things. Of course I can't prove that, since there are too many variables to consider (stupid question). You'll have to specify what you mean by ''impede his own emotions'' anyway, since we're always telling children how to act even (or especially) if this is in conflict with their emotions. ''Don't break down and cry in the face of adversity'' seems like good advice to me. I didn't say that the man being an emotional rock was a necessity, that's simply how it is in most cases. |
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flustercuck said: I know you didn't ask me, but I'd say you most likely are.Are you saying I'm a little bitch for crying when my dog iedd? Are you FUCKING kdding me? I'll FUCK you up IRL okay? |
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| if it's tears of blood it's strength,anything else is weakness in my book. |
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| crying reveals how weakness the one is, and everyone on this planet are weak from inside, what i mean is: if you're gonna cry then cry somewhere where there's no any people out there to see or hear you crying, that will save your dignity and your pride :) |
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BryanBossling said: And what role would that be? Where would I be forcing him? Being in control of one's emotions is a sign of maturity, and I don't believe in coddling teenage boys. Of course I can't prove that, since there are too many variables to consider (stupid question). You'll have to specify what you mean by ''impede his own emotions'' anyway, since we're always telling children how to act even (or especially) if this is in conflict with their emotions. ''Don't break down and cry in the face of adversity'' seems like good advice to me. I didn't say that the man being an emotional rock was a necessity, that's simply how it is in most cases. The role you keep on giving the human male, the male that always has to be disciplined and to be a "true manly man" that picks his partners based on your retarded opinions without any basis whatsoever. Maturity is simply responding to your environment in an appropriate manner, there's no rule that crying is deemed immature, tearing up also makes it easier to cope with whatever made you cry, crying also helps cleaning your eyes, etc. No one cries randomly Jenny, you're talking like one would cry all the time because you didn't educate him otherwise, that's complete bullshit. Do know that tearing up because something entered your eye is also deemed crying, that's pretty involuntary, it doesn't matter how "manly" you are it seems, your body doesn't give a fuck about that. I never said you might be wrong Jenny, I'm just saying you are. |
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Immahnoob said: And what's wrong with discipline? Sure, I think men should serve a role in society, in the family etc.The role you keep on giving the human male, the male that always has to be disciplined and to be a "true manly man" that picks his partners based on your retarded opinions without any basis whatsoever. Maturity is simply responding to your environment in an appropriate manner, there's no rule that crying is deemed immature, tearing up also makes it easier to cope with whatever made you cry, crying also helps cleaning your eyes, etc. I don't know about a rule, but as I said before, most people despise men who are crybabies. We are generally more accepting towards women crying. Immahnoob said: Of course there's a difference between that, and outright sobbing. I don't know why you even need to bring it up, seeing as it doesn't have much to do with my argument at all.No one cries randomly Jenny, you're talking like one would cry all the time because you didn't educate him otherwise, that's complete bullshit. Do know that tearing up because something entered your eye is also deemed crying, that's pretty involuntary, it doesn't matter how "manly" you are it seems, your body doesn't give a fuck about that. I never said you might be wrong Jenny, I'm just saying you are. I won't go outright and say that raising a boy like a girl will turn him into a girl, but it definitely matters what kind of attitude you have towards it all. |
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| No, roles are limiting individuals most of the times. "Most people", who again? Are you most people? Eye tearing is crying, if somebody sobs that means he has to, you don't cry that hard if what happened is not threatening in any way, or he has problems like depression or whatever. And it has to do with your argument considering that you say "crying is for crybabies" when anyone can cry for most trivial reasons without their own consent too. You don't have to say anything Jenny, it's okay, it's okay. Crying is a really bad thing because femininity and masculinity, ho-ho, totally. |
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BryanBossling said: LadyRenly said: Because it's unmanly.If not fear, then what? Why should they not in general? If a man cries from a sprained ankle, then that is a sign of weakness. Men like to avoid looking weak. Pls go. I (and many other men) have gone through a lot of shit, and keep on moving forward. That is the sign of my strength. If I need to cry I'll do it, because I am sad and that is what people do when they are sad. I respect a man a million times more if he gets up form his falls and cries doing it than some coward who runs from his problems and happens to also be the type to not cry because of what people think. |
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BryanBossling said: And what's wrong with discipline? Sure, I think men should serve a role in society, in the family etc. I don't know about a rule, but as I said before, most people despise men who are crybabies. We are generally more accepting towards women crying. 1950's America called, they need you back. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: BryanBossling said: And what's wrong with discipline? Sure, I think men should serve a role in society, in the family etc. I don't know about a rule, but as I said before, most people despise men who are crybabies. We are generally more accepting towards women crying. 1950's America called, they need you back. I see Jenny still loves to throw around the words most or few etc, when it suits him. He always brings in statistics then fails entirely to prove his claims. You can have your opinion, but don't get too deluded you enforce it on others. |
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lupadim said: Crying in public is a sign of weakness (unless its physical pain) Crying is not weakness, even in public. Been able to hide feelings has no impact on strength. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b3_-pPzDVk |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Of course it is. Children that start crying because they want something but they can't get it are weak. People that cry because they broke up with their girlfriend/boyfriend in public are weak, they should not distribute their bad feelings to the otherslupadim said: Crying in public is a sign of weakness (unless its physical pain) Crying is not weakness, even in public. Been able to hide feelings has no impact on strength. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b3_-pPzDVk |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: lupadim said: Crying in public is a sign of weakness (unless its physical pain) Crying is not weakness, even in public. Been able to hide feelings has no impact on strength. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b3_-pPzDVk This is false. We live in a logically modeled civilization. Being able to control, not get rid of your emotions, is how people become strong in contemporary society. lupadim said: Kibura_Iburasa said: Of course it is. Children that start crying because they want something but they can't get it are weak. People that cry because they broke up with their girlfriend/boyfriend in public are weak, they should not distribute their bad feelings to the otherslupadim said: Crying in public is a sign of weakness (unless its physical pain) Crying is not weakness, even in public. Been able to hide feelings has no impact on strength. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b3_-pPzDVk I don't think it's a case of other people being victimized because of others' negative feelings themselves, but rather, it is inherently a sign of weakness and that evokes a response of pity. |
Autocrat said: This is false. We live in a logically modeled civilization. Being able to control, not get rid of your emotions, is how people become strong in contemporary society. This is also false. We live in a society modeled on flat out denial and suppression of feeling, under the idea that they are a sign of weakness in a society dominated with the idea of dog eat dog. This leads to lack of empathy and understanding of the complex nature of human emotions and how bottling them away is harmful to the development of a stable individual. Our society doesn't teach control of emotions, it teaches repression of emotions as perverted or weaknesses. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Autocrat said: This is false. We live in a logically modeled civilization. Being able to control, not get rid of your emotions, is how people become strong in contemporary society. This is also false. We live in a society modeled on flat out denial and suppression of feeling, under the idea that they are a sign of weakness in a society dominated with the idea of dog eat dog. This leads to lack of empathy and understanding of the complex nature of human emotions and how bottling them away is harmful to the development of a stable individual. This is also false. We live in a society modeled with concepts that were developed within thousands of years. Controlling your feelings is essential if you want to be strong. A kid that cries when he/she can't have a toy is not any different from someone that cries in public after breaking up with his/her girlfriend/boyfriend. Both are weak. In order to measure a man, you just need to measure the size of the things that worry him. |
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lupadim said: In order to measure a man, you just need to measure the size of the things that worry him. Thats your opinion. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Not at all.lupadim said: In order to measure a man, you just need to measure the size of the things that worry him. Thats your opinion. Every rule has an exception, so of course you can't apply that rule to every men, but still. Kids worry with the stupidest of the things (toys, candies, etc). An adult crying for similar reasons would be as weak as a kid. |
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lupadim said: Kibura_Iburasa said: Not at all.lupadim said: In order to measure a man, you just need to measure the size of the things that worry him. Thats your opinion. I'm still seeing one persons opinions based on their own feelings and whatever facts from social scientists they can find to support their own opinions. There is no universal law to judge a mans strength unless its psychical. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Autocrat said: This is false. We live in a logically modeled civilization. Being able to control, not get rid of your emotions, is how people become strong in contemporary society. This is also false. We live in a society modeled on flat out denial and suppression of feeling, under the idea that they are a sign of weakness in a society dominated with the idea of dog eat dog. This leads to lack of empathy and understanding of the complex nature of human emotions and how bottling them away is harmful to the development of a stable individual. You said it yourself, we live in a metaphysical dictatorship par hierarchy of survival of the fittest. As such, there is no immediately calculable way of observing potential, strong after-perceptions that would be suggestive of strength. Freak incident of nature...You almost seem to be basing your belief that crying is not weak because it makes one stronger according to the perception that an emotionally and logically stable individual is strong. As opposed to, how people perceive the person thereafter. You're confusing opinion with fact. |
Kibura_Iburasa said: The topic is not about an universal law.lupadim said: Kibura_Iburasa said: Not at all.lupadim said: In order to measure a man, you just need to measure the size of the things that worry him. Thats your opinion. I'm still seeing one persons opinions based on their own feelings and whatever facts from social scientists they can find to support their own opinions. There is no universal law to judge a mans strength unless its psychical. The title is clear: Is crying a sign of weakness? And the answer is simple: Depending on the reason you are crying and the place you are crying, YES. |
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lupadim said: The title is clear: Is crying a sign of weakness? And the answer is simple: Depending on the reason you are crying and the place you are crying, YES. By Lupadims personal opinion. |
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| Lupadim said it best, kids cry over toys because they're kids. If you cry over something insignificant then you are weak and pathetic. |
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lupadim said: Kibura_Iburasa said: The topic is not about an universal law.lupadim said: Kibura_Iburasa said: Not at all.lupadim said: In order to measure a man, you just need to measure the size of the things that worry him. Thats your opinion. I'm still seeing one persons opinions based on their own feelings and whatever facts from social scientists they can find to support their own opinions. There is no universal law to judge a mans strength unless its psychical. The title is clear: Is crying a sign of weakness? And the answer is simple: Depending on the reason you are crying and the place you are crying, YES. Oh look who's back. |
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| Oh look, the mods deleted my "Develop.". Nicely going, I'll say it in a bigass phrase then. Now people wonder why this site is going to Hell, hah. Lupadim, you are wrong because what you said is subjective. It's the same with you Guus. |
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flustercuck said: Nope, I really am not. I said ''probably'' because if you were really young when it happened, then that'd be different, as little boys and girls cry about as much.Wow I actually responded to this but it got deleted. Yet they left this so I guess they don't care if you insult me. I have a genuine question kana-chan. Are you a troll? There's too many times where I read your opinions and wonder whether you're serious. Immahnoob said: Sure thing. I'm trying to see your argument here though.No, roles are limiting individuals most of the times. "Most people", who again? Are you most people? Eye tearing is crying, if somebody sobs that means he has to, you don't cry that hard if what happened is not threatening in any way, or he has problems like depression or whatever. And it has to do with your argument considering that you say "crying is for crybabies" when anyone can cry for most trivial reasons without their own consent too. My argument was about emotional maturity and tolerance to pain, which is why the shit you're bringing up right now isn't really relevant. |
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| What about people that cant cry? I either subcounciously control it, but even when I want to cry I just cant. Havent cried in years, at least of sadness, if something gets into my eyes I do tear up. So its not a physical problem I guess, but some sort of psychical blockade that stops me from crying. Or I am just a cold bastard. Might be that. Probably that. |
BryanBossling said: Immahnoob said: Sure thing. I'm trying to see your argument here though.No, roles are limiting individuals most of the times. "Most people", who again? Are you most people? Eye tearing is crying, if somebody sobs that means he has to, you don't cry that hard if what happened is not threatening in any way, or he has problems like depression or whatever. And it has to do with your argument considering that you say "crying is for crybabies" when anyone can cry for most trivial reasons without their own consent too. My argument was about emotional maturity and tolerance to pain, which is why the shit you're bringing up right now isn't really relevant. Crying is not emotional immaturity. Tolerance to pain is different from person to person and cannot actually be trained, forcing yourself to say "It doesn't hurt." does not make you more pain tolerant, you're suffering in silence, that's just hiding the problem. And you said that crying is for crybabies, one can cry unintentionally and that would mean you're a crybaby, which is bad in your opinion. Thus, I am explaining that your POV is shit and you should stop polluting the forums with your bullshit. |
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