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Feb 12, 2014 1:17 PM
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Hi,

I have found out on MAL that there are a lot of anime fans from all over the world whether its the US, Europe or other parts of Asia excl. Japan. What I am curious is that is do animation studios in other countries actually attempt to create anime using the Japanese style or do they just not bother? Have the Japanese consider of having studios across other countries to get more anime produced in other countries or is it just distribution?

For example there are a lot of american studios which distribute anime but have they even attempted to create their own anime or is it strict guidelines that they can only distribute anime from Japan and hence only anime can be produced in Japan?

It is just like to me that Japan are missing a trick in allowing other countries to get involved in anime but then in saying that do they just want to keep it made in Japan as it is their work, their identity?

What do you guys think? I don't know if anybody in this forums works in an anime/animation studio but if so then they will have more of an idea on this particular topic.
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Feb 12, 2014 1:19 PM
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Anime is made in China.
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China tries very hard, because, as Asap said, anime is originally from China
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Anime is made in China.


That has got to be the quickest reply ever, I virtually went on my email to message on a job vacancy and was surprised to see a reply in my inbox so quickly.

Ok so China is one country that makes Anime, cool. Wonder how many more also do. Wonder if it is only the east that produce anime or do the western countries also produce anime.
Feb 12, 2014 1:24 PM
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I heard they were thinking about outsourcing production to Taiwan ....
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West can't produce anime.
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carlbrooks said:
Asap_ said:
Anime is made in China.


That has got to be the quickest reply ever, I virtually went on my email to message on a job vacancy and was surprised to see a reply in my inbox so quickly.

Ok so China is one country that makes Anime, cool. Wonder how many more also do. Wonder if it is only the east that produce anime or do the western countries also produce anime.


Didn't know that. So why is anime always considered Japanese? Is it a misconception? Or is it just because it is big in Japan. Then saying that it seems big in America but we don't tend to associate Anime with America as they normally say Japan is Anime, America is cartoons. I know anime means cartoons but the styles and target audience are completely different.
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I heard they were thinking about outsourcing production to Taiwan ....


Outsourcing was the word I was thinking of. That was what I was trying to portray, can Anime be created by other countries through outsourcing.
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It is common knowledge that anyone from any nation can try to emulate Chinese cartoons, but since it is a protected name it can never be true anime unless it is produced in its country of origins.

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lupadim said:
West can't produce anime.


Is that due to skills of american animators? Has it really been tried. I know there is Air, Last Air Bender but is that an attempt in anime or just a different type of cartoon.
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they can make anime styled stuff, but its not possible to make anime outside of japan

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If you look at anime credits, you'll see that korean and sometimes chinese animation studios participate in producing many japanese anime. But that's about it. China doesn't produce anime either, just cartoons for kids.

Why?

1. There's no market in other countries
2. Lack of personnel (people who can draw and animate in anime style)
3. Vastly different culture resulting in products different from japanese anime

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i wonder also how big cartoons such as from America and other countries are big in Japan, or are they just not interested.



That is interesting is that. /never thought of the middle east attempting to create anime before. Good on them. Let you guys discuss for a while, I am getting pins and needles on my fingers due to tmm much typing lol. And I work in computing lol.
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Nigeria is also making anime now and the government even sent representatives to Japan for training and guidance.


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Nigeria is also making anime now and the government even sent representatives to Japan for training and guidance.


Interesting. So it is slowing becoming popular in other countries in terms of production. That is good to know. Hope other countries follow suit, I know the big issue is funding but it shows that there are animators out there who can produce anime. For example I look at people's drawings at MAL and I think they/re awesome, but because some are not Japanese it is a shame their talents can't be created for others to see in an anime series. In a manga yes but in anime, unless they go to Japan it is difficult for them. I hope in he west they start doing what the middle east are doing and attempt to create their own anime. Plus America seems better when it comes to handling business side of things. I mean look at Crunchyroll for example.
Feb 12, 2014 2:01 PM

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Anime can't be done outside of Japan, they can try but never get close to that level, it's over 9000 of course.
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Hoppy said:
Nigeria is also making anime now and the government even sent representatives to Japan for training and guidance.


Interesting. So it is slowing becoming popular in other countries in terms of production. That is good to know. Hope other countries follow suit, I know the big issue is funding but it shows that there are animators out there who can produce anime. For example I look at people's drawings at MAL and I think they/re awesome, but because some are not Japanese it is a shame their talents can't be created for others to see in an anime series. In a manga yes but in anime, unless they go to Japan it is difficult for them. I hope in he west they start doing what the middle east are doing and attempt to create their own anime. Plus America seems better when it comes to handling business side of things. I mean look at Crunchyroll for example.


Did he really believe that?
You can't be serious.
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lupadim said:
West can't produce anime.
but the last airbender is an anime?
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RWBY

carlbrooks said:
lupadim said:
West can't produce anime.


Is that due to skills of american animators? Has it really been tried. I know there is Air, Last Air Bender but is that an attempt in anime or just a different type of cartoon.


No, it's because of weaboo purists, who refuse to acknowledge that kind of change as possible.
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Feb 12, 2014 2:23 PM

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I make anime anime in my room.
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But yea, Western anime fans should be ashamed of themselves, by suppressing their own kind from making anime.

Shame shame shame on you.

Your reaction to Western made manga was embarrassing enough.
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KyuuAL said:
But yea, Western anime fans should be ashamed of themselves, by suppressing their own kind from making anime.

Shame shame shame on you.

Your reaction to Western made manga was embarrassing enough.
yea but anime is literally a translation of cartoon

so 'anime' has been produced in the west for a long time, except its name in the west is cartoons
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KyuuAL said:
But yea, Western anime fans should be ashamed of themselves, by suppressing their own kind from making anime.

Shame shame shame on you.

Your reaction to Western made manga was embarrassing enough.
yea but anime is literally a translation of cartoon

so 'anime' has been produced in the west for a long time, except its name in the west is cartoons


Except, when you take something Western made - like oh - Avatar and RWBY - people freak out; and MAL outright rejects it from the database. Then as for everyone else, RWBY is mentioned as "anime-styled"; though at the very least, I'm willing to compromise with the label "anime-styled", as it is a step in the right direction.
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KyuuAL said:
JD2411 said:
KyuuAL said:
But yea, Western anime fans should be ashamed of themselves, by suppressing their own kind from making anime.

Shame shame shame on you.

Your reaction to Western made manga was embarrassing enough.
yea but anime is literally a translation of cartoon

so 'anime' has been produced in the west for a long time, except its name in the west is cartoons


Except, when you take something Western made - like oh - Avatar and RWBY - people freak out; and MAL outright rejects it from the database. Then as for everyone else, RWBY is mentioned as "anime-styled"; though at the very least, I'm willing to compromise with the label "anime-styled", as it is a step in the right direction.
some people like japanese cartoons, some people like american cartoons, some people like european cartoons

don't hate on people for not liking avatar and rwby and to my knowledge avatar is very popular with mal users
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JD2411 said:
KyuuAL said:
JD2411 said:
KyuuAL said:
But yea, Western anime fans should be ashamed of themselves, by suppressing their own kind from making anime.

Shame shame shame on you.

Your reaction to Western made manga was embarrassing enough.
yea but anime is literally a translation of cartoon

so 'anime' has been produced in the west for a long time, except its name in the west is cartoons


Except, when you take something Western made - like oh - Avatar and RWBY - people freak out; and MAL outright rejects it from the database. Then as for everyone else, RWBY is mentioned as "anime-styled"; though at the very least, I'm willing to compromise with the label "anime-styled", as it is a step in the right direction.
some people like japanese cartoons, some people like american cartoons, some people like european cartoons

don't hate on people for not liking avatar and rwby and to my knowledge avatar is very popular with mal users
he's not talking about people not liking avatar or RWBY, he's talking about the fact that they're animated content which MAL refuses to put in the DB because they weren't produced in Japan.
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Sourire said:
JD2411 said:
KyuuAL said:
JD2411 said:
KyuuAL said:
But yea, Western anime fans should be ashamed of themselves, by suppressing their own kind from making anime.

Shame shame shame on you.

Your reaction to Western made manga was embarrassing enough.
yea but anime is literally a translation of cartoon

so 'anime' has been produced in the west for a long time, except its name in the west is cartoons


Except, when you take something Western made - like oh - Avatar and RWBY - people freak out; and MAL outright rejects it from the database. Then as for everyone else, RWBY is mentioned as "anime-styled"; though at the very least, I'm willing to compromise with the label "anime-styled", as it is a step in the right direction.
some people like japanese cartoons, some people like american cartoons, some people like european cartoons

don't hate on people for not liking avatar and rwby and to my knowledge avatar is very popular with mal users
he's not talking about people not liking avatar or RWBY, he's talking about the fact that they're animated content which MAL refuses to put in the DB because they weren't produced in Japan.
that's because a cartoon made in japan is an anime. a cartoon made in america is a cartoon. the site's called myanimelist so its for japanese cartoons only
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that's because a cartoon made in japan is an anime. a cartoon made in america is a cartoon. the site's called myanimelist so its for japanese cartoons only


Thank you for perfectly demonstrating my point, answering this thread's main question, and completely missing what I had said.

You get half a cookie.

Whether people like something or hate something - that has absolutely no bearing on categorization. Plenty of anime series are on my hate list - enough to be dropped - like Guilty Crown. Man, what a piece of crap that was. However, that kind of hate does not push me towards discounting Guilty Crown as anime.
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I think it's fine if MAL wishes to define anime the way they have chosen; they perceive it as making it easier for them to categorize anime in their database and that works for them. I just get sick of people parroting MAL's definition as if it's the capital D Definition that no one can dispute. Words are not static and can have different meanings in different contexts. If other sites wish to use a different definition than MAL's, theirs is just as valid for the purposes of their website.
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Oh for the love of
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KyuuAL said:
JD2411 said:
that's because a cartoon made in japan is an anime. a cartoon made in america is a cartoon. the site's called myanimelist so its for japanese cartoons only


Thank you for perfectly demonstrating my point, answering this thread's main question, and completely missing what I had said.

You get half a cookie.

Whether people like something or hate something - that has absolutely no bearing on categorization. Plenty of anime series are on my hate list - enough to be dropped - like Guilty Crown. Man, what a piece of crap that was. However, that kind of hate does not push me towards discounting Guilty Crown as anime.
guilty crown was made in japan so its an anime

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I think it's fine if MAL wishes to define anime the way they have chosen; they perceive it as making it easier for them to categorize anime in their database and that works for them. I just get sick of people parroting MAL's definition as if it's the capital D Definition that no one can dispute. Words are not static and can have different meanings in different contexts. If other sites wish to use a different definition than MAL's, theirs is just as valid for the purposes of their website.
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It isn't Japanese Cartoons if it is not Japanese.
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Then I wonder why are most anime website only streaming avatar and RWBY coming from the "cartoon" department?
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Sourire said:
Then I wonder why are most anime website only streaming avatar and RWBY coming from the "cartoon" department?
because they're cartoons
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JD2411 said:
MiniSiets said:
I think it's fine if MAL wishes to define anime the way they have chosen; they perceive it as making it easier for them to categorize anime in their database and that works for them. I just get sick of people parroting MAL's definition as if it's the capital D Definition that no one can dispute. Words are not static and can have different meanings in different contexts. If other sites wish to use a different definition than MAL's, theirs is just as valid for the purposes of their website.
lol

I'm sorry, I can't tell if you're laughing because you fail at understanding language like everyone else on MAL, or if you just legitimately found something I said funny. :/
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Oh for the love of
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It isn't Japanese Cartoons if it is not Japanese.


Dude. Shut up.

Does that mean - RWBY should be removed from Crunchyroll?

tiro_finale said:
It isn't Japanese Cartoons if it is not Japanese.


But I'll take this. If it ain't made in Japan, then it ain't Japanese.
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Noth Korea
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It isn't Japanese Cartoons if it is not Japanese.


Dude. Shut up.

Does that mean - RWBY should be removed from Crunchyroll?
i don't why anyone would want to watch rwby in the first place
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Noth Korea


BEST KOREA MAKES THE BEST ANIME.
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It isn't Japanese Cartoons if it is not Japanese.


Dude. Shut up.

Does that mean - RWBY should be removed from Crunchyroll?
i don't why anyone would want to watch rwby in the first place


If there’s one thing Monty Oum wants his audience to know, it’s that RWBY is anime.


http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/07/12/feature-inside-rooster-teeths-rwby

I support trail-blazers and trend setters. Not conservative people like you, who resist change.

Besides, RWBY girls are waifu material - especially the really damned good cosplayers.
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I thought it was common sense that Chinese cartoons originated from China.
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So it's crunchyroll who decides what is anime and what is not?
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So it's crunchyroll who decides what is anime and what is not?


Should Crunchyroll stop broadcasting anime then?

And no. You don't want a single company having that kind of power.
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Nigeria is also making anime now and the government even sent representatives to Japan for training and guidance.


Interesting. So it is slowing becoming popular in other countries in terms of production. That is good to know. Hope other countries follow suit, I know the big issue is funding but it shows that there are animators out there who can produce anime. For example I look at people's drawings at MAL and I think they/re awesome, but because some are not Japanese it is a shame their talents can't be created for others to see in an anime series. In a manga yes but in anime, unless they go to Japan it is difficult for them. I hope in he west they start doing what the middle east are doing and attempt to create their own anime. Plus America seems better when it comes to handling business side of things. I mean look at Crunchyroll for example.


Did he really believe that?
You can't be serious.


I idn't believe the middle east anime but when I saw the link then anything could happen lol.
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They are now. The quality is still questionable but I think we'll be seeing a lot more legitimate attempts within the next 10 years.

I'm still skeptical about where the RWBY 3D models were made/taken from...I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they were heavily referenced or even come from some other source (of course I could be wrong). Once you get the 3D model it's impossible to "not be off-model" from there. Not to say it's wrong or anything; I just see how it's doable.

The Torkaizer anime appears to be quite legit and you can really tell they put a lot of work into it. Sure there are 3DCG robots, but that's commonplace in anime today too. I would call that a Middle Eastern Anime.
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Then I wonder why are most anime website only streaming avatar and RWBY coming from the "cartoon" department?
because they're cartoons
why not include Justice League and others?
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to me it seems that
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So it's MAL who decides what is anime and what is not?
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Whether they attempt to or not, they're not anime. Avatar and Wakfu are cartoons, RWBY is shit.
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Whether they attempt to or not, they're not anime. Avatar and Wakfu are cartoons, RWBY is shit.


I never heard of RWBY so I just youtubed it now and OMG it looked awful. For everybody who said the west can't create anime, well this show kind of proved it.

I wonder what about Japanese studios outside Japan (I heard there are Japanese anime studios that are placed in america as well but I am not too sure, I only heard of this) but are they allowed to create anime or just distribute whatever is made in Japan to the american audience?

I keep using America as an example even though I am not from America, just in my mind I believe America has the biggest anime following in the west.
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KyuuAL said:
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It isn't Japanese Cartoons if it is not Japanese.


Dude. Shut up.

Does that mean - RWBY should be removed from Crunchyroll?
???
I never mentioned Crunchyroll in this thread.
Following the definition that anime = japanese cartoons:
- OP's supposition is impossible, hence my post.
- Crunchyroll doesn't air only anime (Japanese cartoons).
Why are you so worked up?
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Sourire said:
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Then I wonder why are most anime website only streaming avatar and RWBY coming from the "cartoon" department?
because they're cartoons
why not include Justice League and others?
they are more 'kiddy' than avatar and rwby
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