elite-sama said: Yeah, no one gets it :/ Sorry.MellowJello said: It's subjective unless you specifically define "insult" making it unnecessary to interpret. Which is why I typed out long posts asking for it a few pages back. Oh well, doesn't seem like anyone gets it. A discussion about insults without defining "insults" is exactly the same in structure as a discussion about any other metaphysical proposition that is undefined (e.g. God, souls, truth, freedom, justice, morality): you'll either accept that subjective psychology, in this case on the part of the mods, plays a large part, or you won't get anywhere.XVIII said: Perhaps not to the users who you insulted.But it was all in the spirit of fun. Aaand problem spotted. If the insulter was intending to have fun, but the receiver was offended, who exactly is at fault here? *sigh* And while the mod post "defined" what they think of as an insult, weird situations like this slip through, which is why it'd be better we have a mod respond to it, rather than discussing amongst ourselves. |
| Kineta said all this: "Insulting a user is an offense, but insulting an idea is not. Direct insults are all rule violations; e.g. "<username> is a cunt". Indirect insults are taken in context; e.g. "anyone who thinks that is a dumbass". Yes, "you're dumb/stupid/an idiot" are insults. Even if you use them colloquially, other users do not. Threads have ended in flamewars over a simple "you're an idiot" post - sometimes even by users who weren't the target." But you can't define an insult better than this. It's the same shit. Certain words that are used as insults remain insults. |
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elite-sama said: It's subjective unless you specifically define "insult" making it unnecessary to interpret. Which is why I typed out long posts asking for it a few pages back. Oh well, doesn't seem like anyone gets it. A discussion about insults without defining "insults" is exactly the same in structure as a discussion about any other metaphysical proposition that is undefined (e.g. God, souls, truth, freedom, justice, morality): you'll either accept that subjective psychology, in this case on the part of the mods, plays a large part, or you won't get anywhere. Hmmm, I think what Kineta was trying to get at is that we should be discussing what to do after a post has been recognized as an insult, everybody has different ways of defining ''insult'' but it doesn't really matter when the statement deeming the post an insult can't be questioned to begin with. Basically, we need to (try to) discuss what should be done in terms of moderation for a post that regardless of content and maybe even context has already been deemed an insult. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
Aloxamax said: Well, we already discussed that. Heck, I even asked what katsu thinks, and it turns out he has nothing to add. Anyway, that whole thing above us was mostly just a small slip of what an "insult" is, just drop the topic and wait for a mod to answer. elite-sama said: It's subjective unless you specifically define "insult" making it unnecessary to interpret. Which is why I typed out long posts asking for it a few pages back. Oh well, doesn't seem like anyone gets it. A discussion about insults without defining "insults" is exactly the same in structure as a discussion about any other metaphysical proposition that is undefined (e.g. God, souls, truth, freedom, justice, morality): you'll either accept that subjective psychology, in this case on the part of the mods, plays a large part, or you won't get anywhere. Hmmm, I think what Kineta was trying to get at is that we should be discussing what to do after a post has been recognized as an insult, everybody has different ways of defining ''insult'' but it doesn't really matter when the statement deeming the post an insult can't be questioned to begin with. Basically, we need to (try to) discuss what should be done in terms of moderation for a post that regardless of content and maybe even context has already been deemed an insult. And katsu, if you do have something to add, for the love of thighhighs please do. There's like, what, 4 people who actually suggested something? WE NEED MORE SUGGESTIONS ON POLICY CHANGES. Guh, which reminds me to update my sig... |
MellowJello said: Most problems and complaints were more whining than anything (or cases that need to be brought up with certain mods) there wasn't really anything against the actual policy and it seems pretty reasonable, it's natural that people won't come up with anything.Well, we already discussed that. Heck, I even asked what katsu thinks, and it turns out he has nothing to add. Anyway, that whole thing above us was mostly just a small slip of what an "insult" is, just drop the topic and wait for a mod to answer. And katsu, if you do have something to add, for the love of thighhighs please do. There's like, what, 4 people who actually suggested something? WE NEED MORE SUGGESTIONS ON POLICY CHANGES. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
| How is this 18 pages. If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all. |
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| I've read Kineta's post when it was first posted. But people continue to ask about ambiguities regarding intentionality and other issues. If Kineta's post can be taken literally and definitively, then it shouldn't be an issue anymore whether any specific action counts as a violation or not. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
Iasuru said: Because if you haven't been reading, we're suggesting what to change when a large amount of people disagree with what you've just said.How is this 18 pages. If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all. elite-sama said: I would rather have weird things cleared up rather than just left open. Mods and their consistency are still in question.I've read Kineta's post when it was first posted. But people continue to ask about ambiguities regarding intentionality and other issues. If Kineta's post can be taken literally and definitively, then it shouldn't be an issue anymore whether any specific action counts as a violation or not. |
Iasuru said: How is this 18 pages. If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all. This is one of the moments you shouldn't be saying anything at all. And I think we've already talked enough about changes, there aren't any... It's only about the warnings and clarification on what is rule breaking and what is not. |
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Immahnoob said: Then all that's left is a verdict from the mod team.Iasuru said: How is this 18 pages. If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all. This is one of the moments you shouldn't be saying anything at all. And I think we've already talked enough about changes, there aren't any... It's only about the warnings and clarification on what is rule breaking and what is not. |
Iasuru said: How is this 18 pages. If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all. Since this came up, is calling someone conceited, pretentious, arrogant, bigoted, uniformed, irrelevant etc. an insult? I mean calling someone conceited is an insult, but I don't think you can get banned for that. Also is expressing the fact that you dislike someone an insult? If I said "I don't like you" that isn't strictly speaking an insult is it? Then again strictly speaking it is in the same way "in my opinion you're a conceited asshole, but that's just my opinion" is probably an insult. |
InfiniteRufus said: Iasuru said: How is this 18 pages. If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all. Since this came up, is calling someone conceited, pretentious, arrogant, bigoted, uniformed, irrelevant etc. an insult? I mean calling someone conceited is an insult, but I don't think you can get banned for that. Also is expressing the fact that you dislike someone an insult? If I said "I don't like you" that isn't strictly speaking an insult is it? Then again strictly speaking it is in the same way "in my opinion you're a conceited asshole, but that's just my opinion" is probably an insult. Strictly speaking, calling someone (A MAL user) conceited, pretentious, arrogant, bigoted, uniformed, irrelevant, etc. has no place in any discussion. That should only be your opinions towards anyone other than MAL users - celebrity, figure-heads, fictional characters. ":I don't like you" is an insult but it's not a personal attack. This isn't about insulting words. This is about personal attack. Once you say something directly to a person, it's automatically a personal attack. (Unless if it's a friend, knows your joking, whatever but still these shouldn't be done in any discussion threads in MAL unless if it's a spam discussion such as the chat threads) "That's pretty pathetic" Isn't a personal attack. You are citing an opinion on whatever they said "That's pretty pathetic for a guy like you". Key word here is YOU. This is automatic personal attack. "I don't like you" Not a personal attack even if there's a you. You are not attacking them. You are posing your opinion that you do not like them but it doesn't show any negative connotation. Simply speaking, this is not a specific statement. There could be many reason why you do not like them.. ETC. I don't really care about insulting words. People can find words insulting. Hey someone could find "penis" and insulting word but unless you say, "your opinion is invalid because you have a small penis huehue" then I do not see any problems with insulting words by themselves. |
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| Is this thread still up, honestly long as you're not trying to violently jam your dick in their throat whilst screaming profanity at them, if you're not doing that and they're being shitty Send them this: http://i.imgur.com/foFbor8.jpg |
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Turnipsia said: You didn't even read my signature did you.Is this thread still up, honestly long as you're not trying to violently jam your dick in their throat whilst screaming profanity at them, if you're not doing that and they're being shitty Send them this: http://i.imgur.com/foFbor8.jpg Maybe contribute to the thread and suggest a change to the policy instead of debating what you're complaining about. |
MellowJello said: I'll fix that statement thenTurnipsia said: You didn't even read my signature did you.Is this thread still up, honestly long as you're not trying to violently jam your dick in their throat whilst screaming profanity at them, if you're not doing that and they're being shitty Send them this: http://i.imgur.com/foFbor8.jpg Maybe contribute to the thread and suggest a change to the policy instead of debating what you're complaining about. Unless the user isn't trying to violently jam his dick in someone else's throat whilst screaming profanity at them, a small insult is just a friendly reminder that they aren't top shit and it helps reduce the overall shittiness of the users due to the fact it keeps them in line and know they're being disagreed in an argument because they cannot understand what "I didn't watch it, I didn't like it, it was boring" is. Making the site more better and reaches the target audience of this site (12-15). |
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Turnipsia said: While I'm still agreeing with what you said, you should really check out the policy (in my sig) and tell us what you think could be changed.MellowJello said: I'll fix that statement thenTurnipsia said: You didn't even read my signature did you.Is this thread still up, honestly long as you're not trying to violently jam your dick in their throat whilst screaming profanity at them, if you're not doing that and they're being shitty Send them this: http://i.imgur.com/foFbor8.jpg Maybe contribute to the thread and suggest a change to the policy instead of debating what you're complaining about. Unless the user isn't trying to violently jam his dick in someone else's throat whilst screaming profanity at them, a small insult is just a friendly reminder that they aren't top shit and it helps reduce the overall shittiness of the users due to the fact it keeps them in line and know they're being disagreed in an argument because they cannot understand what "I didn't watch it, I didn't like it, it was boring" is. Making the site more better and reaches the target audience of this site (12-15). MAL's definition of an insult isn't particularly one of them, sadly. |
MellowJello said: Most of what kineta said are correct, a bit of the rules are too extreme since you can be banned for saying "You're a prick/idiot" that just means "You are being annoying/bad/idiotic", there isn't much of an insult there, if they don't like it well they need to learn not everyone in the world agrees/likes them.Turnipsia said: While I'm still agreeing with what you said, you should really check out the policy (in my sig) and tell us what you think could be changed.MellowJello said: I'll fix that statement thenTurnipsia said: You didn't even read my signature did you.Is this thread still up, honestly long as you're not trying to violently jam your dick in their throat whilst screaming profanity at them, if you're not doing that and they're being shitty Send them this: http://i.imgur.com/foFbor8.jpg Maybe contribute to the thread and suggest a change to the policy instead of debating what you're complaining about. Unless the user isn't trying to violently jam his dick in someone else's throat whilst screaming profanity at them, a small insult is just a friendly reminder that they aren't top shit and it helps reduce the overall shittiness of the users due to the fact it keeps them in line and know they're being disagreed in an argument because they cannot understand what "I didn't watch it, I didn't like it, it was boring" is. Making the site more better and reaches the target audience of this site (12-15). MAL's definition of an insult isn't particularly one of them, sadly. But also the MAL users need to learn to shut the fuck up and not be a total cunt as well, there are wrongs on both sides and the majority is MAL users, just remember not stretch your line too thin because I don't want another month of threads going on about mods being shit... The CD was really shit last month |
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| MAL users are such pussies. "ZOMG he called me an asshole, mod please ban him before I cry myself to sleep". If they're sending you death threats and that type of shit, than it's an issue. |
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MajinSaga said: Thanks for your opinion! Now on the topic of opinions, feel free to to contribute and suggest a change to MAL's insult policy.MAL users are such pussies. "ZOMG he called me an asshole, mod please ban him before I cry myself to sleep". If they're sending you death threats and that type of shit, than it's an issue. |
epbsb said: Insulting Level 5: Personal attack stalking, harassment, abuse. Sending messages like "I wanna fuck you b***" PM's like "Stupid assh*le, I wish you to get rollover by a car" >Punishment: Permanent ban Come man, that's the best though |
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| Wait, religious discrimination is a crime now?! |
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| Is telling someone they have the intelligence of a extremely smart doorknob an insult? |
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Feels said: Is telling someone they have the intelligence of a extremely smart doorknob an insult? You flatter me. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| When exactly would this discussion be considered over? Because we'll never reach a single conclusion, ever. Will it end when the mods decide on a proposition? When the topic becomes completely inactive? When a bunch of people start derailing the topic trying to initiate a discussion about another policy? |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
Aloxamax said: Oh, I actually asked a mod about that today. Yeah, I'm just waiting for a response. The discussion's pretty much a dry oasis right now.When exactly would this discussion be considered over? Because we'll never reach a single conclusion, ever. Will it end when the mods decide on a proposition? When the topic becomes completely inactive? When a bunch of people start derailing the topic trying to initiate a discussion about another policy? |
MellowJello said: You know, I think I've seen that sentence in this topic more times that I probably should have.Yeah, I'm just waiting for a response. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
Aloxamax said: It means I've asked most of the concerns ahead of time, and have been patiently waiting for a mod to type up the necessary essay to put this thread to rest.MellowJello said: You know, I think I've seen that sentence in this topic more times that I probably should have.Yeah, I'm just waiting for a response. Although, I'm not saying they should hurry or anything... |
MellowJello said: I'm just ''waiting'' for us to get past the waiting period so that I can take this out of my watched topics and we can potentially discuss a policy (or something) where people actually have something to complain about, something that actually needs to be changed.It means I've asked most of the concerns ahead of time, and have been patiently waiting for a mod to type up the necessary essay to put this thread to rest. Although, I'm not saying they should hurry or anything... That's the kind of things that will prevent inactivity, for example take the beginning of the thread, when people didn't know how things actually were supposed to work, they loved to discuss and complain about mod intervention. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
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